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File: 797b04abb62f70c⋯.jpg (100.28 KB, 440x239, 440:239, 2ndAmendment.jpg)

d309ab No.534108

1. Do the guys who repeat "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" on the Internet commit idolatry(after all it is a man-made document whose authors weren't even Catholic) or is it a valid defense of their rights?

2. What is the Catholic Church's stance on gun ownership?

3. What is the Catholic Church's stance on the whole Constitution of the United States? IIRC the revolutions of 1776/1789 weren't particularly like by the Church, but I might be wrong. Can someone correct me?

ae6eb6 No.534116

>1. Do the guys who repeat "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" on the Internet commit idolatry(after all it is a man-made document whose authors weren't even Catholic)

Explain to me the logic here. Quoting a man-made political document is idolatry?


d309ab No.534119

>>534116

Quoting of course no, but let's say you could reduce the number of dead people by limiting or outright abolishing the Second Amendment. If I am a Roman Catholic, what is the moral thing to choose here?


ae6eb6 No.534120

>>534119

Probably whatever maximizes the number of dead people, since most of them are protestants who, by Catholic judgement, ought to have burned at the stake anyway.

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452e2d No.534121

>man-made political document

>the bible


ae6eb6 No.534123

>>534121

>baptist who can't distinguish constitution from bible

False-flagger detected.


452e2d No.534129

File: cc91baf088a898c⋯.jpg (6.68 KB, 287x176, 287:176, download.jpg)

>>534123

I am Joel Osteen if Joel Osteen was a King James 1611 Bible-Believing Christian for the lulz.


0a5256 No.534132

>>534108

The church teaches that you have the right to defend yourself with lethal force if necessary.


d309ab No.534134

>>534120

Lol.

>>534132

That's really nice, since I'm kind of interested in guns, but what do you think of the hypothetical scenario I presented here:

>>534119


452e2d No.534137

File: 76178466c755e41⋯.jpg (269.3 KB, 900x651, 300:217, roman-legion-granger.jpg)

>>534132

The Muslims conquered Jerusalem, and Constantinople but never reached Rome, of course.

Moscow still stands.

I understand two things that the Roman Catholic Church is not guilty of, but still might be accused of is sacking Constantinople (sacked by a merchant of Venice) and the famous medieval bouts of anti-Semitism (which Rome preached against to lay-persons in the Middle Ages)….


0a5256 No.534139

>>534134

Probably enact gun control to the extent it would save lives (I don't think gun control will do anything).


0a5256 No.534140

>>534137

What does this have to do with my post?


9e9648 No.534141

File: 6adfe24bf0c63fb⋯.jpg (238.93 KB, 962x640, 481:320, 2rzxrih.jpg)

>>534137

>never reached Rome

it's next ahahaha


fdb153 No.534142

File: d844ffa4fce10b7⋯.jpg (14.23 KB, 239x211, 239:211, 7523b30e53ebbff7b709bee41e….jpg)

>>534141

>that pic


d45bb7 No.534143

>>534137

Maybe I'm speaking in generality, actually.

Obviously if the Roman Catholic Church was to defend itself from such things as Muslim armies it wouldn't preach a doctrine of nonviolence.


d45bb7 No.534145

>>534140

anon this was the answer to your question:

>>534140

>What does this have to do with my post?

>>534143


9ac448 No.534146

File: bfeec077085002a⋯.jpg (54.5 KB, 408x561, 8:11, bfeec077085002a49f22ae6239….jpg)

>>534141

>In you I see Jesus


d45bb7 No.534150

File: e25c90176b7b5fd⋯.jpg (469.32 KB, 1723x1067, 1723:1067, british_colonies_1763-76.jpg)

>>534143

The facts in this post are based on what I've read in modern popular literature…

I say 'generality' in the sense that, even though a Merchant of Venice hi-jacked the 4th Crusade and took it to Constantinople, there were still Roman Catholics aboard those ships who probably knew exactly what they were doing (that they were attacking fellow Christians). I don't believe the Pope had anything to do with the 4th Crusade's attack on Constantinople, though. If what I've read in popular literature is accurate.

So I say, perhaps this statement is a 'generality'. Perhaps the Roman Catholics really are guilty of causing violence and whatnot against the Orthodox (historically).

I would say it is only relevant because both the history of the Roman Catholic Church and the history of the Orthodox Church is relevant to its modern existence, in that its decisions in history supposedly represent Divine Commands given by God to us on Earth.

Is the authority of the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope still considered infallible tofday (to the Roman Catholic Church)?

I'm not sure, but one of these days I want to study the hell out of modern Roman Catholic Church doctrine.

Regarding the OP's post:

>>534108

The Constitution is a valid defence of our rights because that is the "reasoning of law" that our nation is founded upon, in theory. Many respectable and admirable citizens do a good job (IMO) at keeping the Constitution alive today.

The military, police, and media-industrial complex in the U.S.; I think their favorite amendment is the 1st Amendment. Right to free speech.

It is a valid defense of our rights. Please do not take it away from us. We need to bear arms to defend us from Obama and the blacks, as well as the Federal Government.

In popular history the state of Texas since around the time of George Bush has taken the federal government to court and various different court cases against the Federal Government, such as those concerning environmental regulations. Even though it might be a loss for the environment in Texas, it is a win for liberty. I personally think Texas is a lovely place.

I do not know the answer to Question #2.

Regarding Question #3, I don't know the answer either but I'm sure Rome wouldn't view it the same way that Americans view it.

What's funny is one of the many reasons publicly cited (the good old fashion American way) for the American Revolution was that the government of Britain had a newfound partnership with the Catholic Church, what with various politicking and alliances and such, especially since Britain had recently come into control of Catholic New France, just to the north of the United States colonies.

Many of the first leaders of the United States were not only Protestant, but Freemason in their beliefs, actually. An overwhelming majority of those in favor of the Revolution if I'm not mistaken (according to popular literature) in the colonies at the time were Scottish Freemasons.

At the time of the Revolution, Maryland was of course the heart of Roman Catholic culture (named MARYLAND) north of Spanish Florida.


d45bb7 No.534151

>>534150

>Is the authority of the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope still considered infallible tofday (to the Roman Catholic Church)?

Sorry, that was a typo. Was supposed to be "today"* instead of "tofday".*

This is an honest and genuine question. I apologize that I must profess ignorance of contemporary Roman Catholic canon law, although soon I am going to buy a nice Saint Joseph Edition Roman Catholic Bible and read through all of the canon law.


8dd5d2 No.534152

File: baec5e220871452⋯.png (61.62 KB, 828x626, 414:313, 1486038553829.png)

>>534141

daily reminder that the Vatican should be moved to Eastern Europe


d45bb7 No.534154

File: c12a2cfe4566418⋯.jpg (58.54 KB, 720x540, 4:3, slide13-n.jpg)


46fb26 No.534158

>>534119

>let's say you could reduce the number of dead people by limiting or outright abolishing the Second Amendment

Except you can't. So let's not.


0a5256 No.534232

>>534152

>bishop of rome


aad7c2 No.534236

>>534108

>is it a valid defense of their rights?

No because the "security of the free state" is now taken care of by the army.

Back then there was no standing army so the citizens had to be on watch with guns in case of a European invasion. There premise behind gun ownership -no standing army- has now gone making the 2nd amendment null.


d45bb7 No.534240

>>534236

Damn, that's crazy. That's not just Democrat propaganda? I'm too high on weed and fluoride in my water to know that.

Damn, someone's gotta tell Alex Jones.


076560 No.534256

File: e1bfa2a8bcd5992⋯.png (130.31 KB, 600x829, 600:829, e1bfa2a8bcd59925a1f51c2fc2….png)

>>534119

You do whatever is right, yes.

Now it would be a interesting experiment to see if pro-guns would switch their view if the situation changed, but as far as I know god doesn't care enough to get down this petty squabble unless people are going Babylon-tier with it.

So anyways, pic related.


62bdfc No.534259

the word of God overrides the word of man


29714e No.534273

Hello, I am Catholic.

No, I do not support Gun restrictions. Once you allow the government to mess with the Bill of Rights, America is literally over. Americans owing guns are also arguable the only logical reason why shit like FEMA camps isn't already in action.

Anyone with a brain will support gun rights.

>>534119

The right angle is realizing that you cannot GET BACK RIGHTS that you GIVE AWAY.

I don't even own a gun! Yet, if I surrender that right, I WILL NEVER GET THAT RIGHT. Never give up your right, you will NOT get it back.


56dcac No.534300

>>534119

Even the apostles had swords and without the crusades there would be no christianity in the west. Stop being a faggot.


5c687f No.534319

The Catholic Church doesn't have an affirmative teaching on the "right to bear arms" because the world doesn't revolve around burgerland. It sanctions the right to self defense and Just War, however, it also speaks out against the stockpiling of weapons. So owning a gun is okay, just don't go full /k/ and have a DsHK on the back of your truck and killing who you think are bad people.


46fb26 No.534333

File: 34bf0f0453b099a⋯.jpg (52.26 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 6ee.jpg)


c9fc97 No.534351

>>534119

You can't as those laws generally increase it. Firearms serve as a nullifyer that discourages people from engaging in violence. There's a reason why mass shooters target gun free zones instead of gun conventions.


1f56e7 No.534382

>>534351

epic win


8b0cc0 No.534394

>>534119

>but let's say you could reduce the number of dead people by limiting or outright abolishing the Second Amendment

You'll exponentially increase death by democide, so no. Guess what? The US and the post-war South tried to take the weapons of blacks and Indians in the 19th century for that very purpose.

Therefore….

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED


3a2cd0 No.534410

File: d989034d4c4cb5d⋯.gif (510.19 KB, 500x500, 1:1, High capacity.gif)

>>534120

>>534119

>>534273

The correct stance is whatever will result in the maximum number of dead Marxists and "progressives" in the least amount of time in the event of a civil war.




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