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From the Orthodox Study Bible:

The Father chose us in Him, the Son. Christ, Who is God by nature, became Man by choice. If we choose Him, we, who are human by nature, become "gods" by grace. If we are in Christ, the Son of God, we are sons of God. Paul is not addressing individuals as such but us, the community, the Church. And he is not addressing the issue of human will in salvation but the will of God, which is that all are chosen (see Romans 11:32; 1 Timothy 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9). But being predestined by God does not nullify human will: in everything, God is the originator, the initiator; we merely respond, but our response is necessary. Becoming a Christian is not so much inviting Christ into one's life as getting oneself into Christ's life. What is true of Christ must become true of one who is in Him.

But we do…?

Predestination is catholic dogma.

Double predestination however, is not.

Learn about our dogma before you attack it, o pride and vain man.

>>534006

There's your answer, OP. The reason is traditions of men

>>534006

>Theosis

A tradition of man.

>Paul is not addressing individuals as such but us, the community, the Church.

On the contrary, he just got done addressing each of "the saints which are at Ephesus" in the previous verse.

Ephesians 1:11-12

>In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

>That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Did the saints at Ephesus all trust in Christ the same time as Paul as some kind of hivemind collective? No, they each did trust in Christ individually and so the statement is true for each individually, as it is true for the whole group.

>>534010

Didn't attack the dogma, it was a genuine question of an ignorant person that wants to know more.

>>534014

Protestants also source their teachings from their own traditions. The difference being that their traditions are newly invented and merely a few centuries old.

>>534014

There are Holy-Spirit living apostolic traditions and there's old dead church "traditions of men." We should diligently study all the documents from our early Church Fathers and plead with the Holy Spirit to impart on us apostolic traditions.

>>534014

>>534064

Is throwing "t-tradition of man" left and right without further elaboration the only thing you can do?

>>534014

How is it a tradition of man to say that we cooperate with God's grace, when St Paul makes the same point in 1 Corinthians 3?

>>534064

How is theosis "a tradition of man"?

>>534309

>How is theosis "a tradition of man"?

All the teachings supporting it are from church "fathers" (Matt. 23:9) and those who inspired them and none of the teachings are from Scripture. No offense or disrespect.

>>534311

>theosis is not scriptural

What the hell dude

Scriptures are THE prime source of the doctrine of theosis

What do you think "theosis" even is?

>>534325

Most likely he's an andersonite and thinks that it means that we become members of the Trinity.

>>534303

That's one way to do it, but the method of testing traditions that Jesus gave us was to compare them to scripture and discard that which contradicts

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+7:1-13

>>534309

>St Paul makes the same point in 1 Corinthians 3

He doesn't