/christian/ - ==St. Irenaeus - "Against Heresies"==https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z18UdOtZcM#t=21sCurious what /christian/ thinks of Rick Wiles' defense of apostolic succession citing St. Irenaeus ''Against Heresies'' against gnosticism that was rampant in the

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Christanon 09/27/17 (Wed) 22:09:10 dbbcd5 No.530699

St. Irenaeus - "Against Heresies"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z18UdOtZcM#t=21s

Curious what /christian/ thinks of Rick Wiles' defense of apostolic succession citing St. Irenaeus Against Heresies against gnosticism that was rampant in the 1st century church. Rick contends that Roman Catholics are correct, in that Jesus Christ is indeed present in the bread and the wine during Holy Communion, and further states that teaching that Christ is not present in Holy Communion is a false teaching from gnosticism which is taught in many churches and seminaries today. Another example that Rick points to is St. Polycarp who was led to the Lord by the Apostle John and taught the Gospel and then taught others in his long life of serving the Lord and while the Apostles were given perfect knowledge of the Kingdom of God, God is not bestowing new knowledge upon mankind since all the knowledge we need is in the Holy Bible. However, God will give new understanding of His Word, but not new revelation.

We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith. For it is unlawful to assert that they preached before they possessed perfect knowledge, as some do even venture to say, boasting themselves as improvers of the apostles.

- Against Heresies (Book III, Chapter 1)

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 01:12:41 5b29d3 No.530786

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http://wmcgrew.blogspot.se/2014/05/rick-wiles-of-trunews-promotes.html

>This is sickening, but we were warned about the great apostasy in the New Testament. A few years ago I was sad about what was happening in the churches and I told the Father "Father, your church is such a mess". My mind received an immediate response "it's much worse than you think". I believe the Lord also impressed upon me that I had no idea just how far we were already into the apostasy!

>This man is the go between the Harlot Church and those churches which are apostatizing, such as Copeland's. Pedophiles, sexual sin, worship of a false Mary, a pagan pope who claims the title of Vicar of Christ "in the place of Christ". The Lord will destroy them if they do not repent. Pray for Rick Wiles. He has no excuse. You cannot trust him. Period. He broadcast this filth out into the world.

Rick triggers the shit out of other protestants for agreeing with early church fathers. He's weird.

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 01:21:04 054892 No.530789

>He's weird.

Well, it's logical. Protestants have to do some serious mind-games to prove that the RCC is not the authentic Church of Christ. If the RCC is not authentic, then none of Church Fathers responsible for the RCC's Traditions are.

If he's willing to accept that the RCC did start off authentic but went off-track, he can still reference early church fathers like lutheranism does (I think)

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 11:25:47 1e23c4 No.530955

>>530786

>>530789

Gee, as if the church fathers were fallible theologians, which is how they viewed themselves.

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 12:01:32 d675bd No.530960

>>530955

>the people directly appointed by the apostles, or directly taught by those directly appointed by the apostles, taught heresy

Even if you don't believe that the Holy Spirit has protected the Church from apostasy, it's silly to trust Reformed theology (or worse, your own interpretatio) over what the disciples of the apostles said.

Volume 1 of the Ante-Nicene Fathers should be read by all Protestants. It would change the practices of quite a few Evangelicals at least.

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 14:47:41 4f9e11 No.531016

>>530960

when i was a prot, in many circles early church writings were ignored since they were catholic and therefor that somehow invalidated everything they said

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 16:16:36 328a29 No.531074

>>530960

>Volume 1 of the Ante-Nicene Fathers

Thanks for the rec, my school library has this so I'll check out Vol 1.

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 16:53:56 328a29 No.531106

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>>530786

True Apostolic tradition flow from Scripture and complement each for the edification of saints and the continuation of the faith in the Holy Church of God.

2 Thessalonians 2:14-15

Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our Father, who hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation, and good hope in grace.

You are taught traditions through the Word that we gave you, that was written, and the words that we spoke to you. Hold fast to the traditions that you were taught. He also said to the church in Thessaloníki, in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw from every brother that walks disobediently and does not walk in the tradition that was given to us. Apostolic tradition must come back to the church. The last day's church will do greater things on Earth than the Book of Acts church did, but in order for that to happen, we must restore Apostolic doctrine and Apostolic tradition. The religious elite in the modern Protestant, evangelical church world will fight against Apostolic tradition and Apostolic doctrine because it directly contradicts their teaching.

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 16:55:44 d675bd No.531107

>>531074

You can just see it here: http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html

Christanon 09/29/17 (Fri) 00:05:18 1e23c4 No.531276

>>530960

I agree with you, but the only redeemable time of church history outside when the apostles were killed (except for St.John) was before 150A.D. You know-the actual disciples of the apostles, not hand-me-down theologians like St.Irenæus and those after him.

>it's silly to trust Reformed theology

>Volume 1 of the Ante-Nicene Fathers should be read by all Protestants

Meanwhile the ever popular site ccel.com is owned by a calvinist college.

Most Lutherans, evangelists and Calvinists read & use citations of the early church fathers for theological inquiry (even I occasionally do) but they recognize who they truly are: theologians. More importantly, every doctrine is solely measured by the word of God.

>interpretatio

Its-a me-a Mario.

>>531074

There are somethings you need to know first

https://www.michaeljkruger.com/were-early-churches-ruled-by-elders-or-a-single-bishop/

https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/theology/general-christian-topics/doctrine-questions/4703746-2-thessalonians-2-15

http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?subsetitem=Church+History&subsetcat=series&keyword=Dr._James_White&SpeakerOnly=true&includekeywords=&ExactVerse=

Christanon 09/29/17 (Fri) 01:05:53 6d71b5 No.531295