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>>508419

This.

Warhammer 40k: Chaos Gate

Physically remove:

- heretics

- sorcerers

- demons

Is that ok for this board standards?

Grand strategy games

>>509053

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_references_to_religion_in_Halo

http://thelibertystandard.com/halo-a-modern-conservative-allegory/

Never had an SNES

>>510752

>Genestealers

That's just the thing, the early nids looked like they were more influenced by xenomorph than than material for the zerg. What was the release date of the 3rd edition? I'm not saying Zerg is unique, they're clearly based off the xenomorph as well as a lot of the units are direct "parodies" of aliens, robots, characters from movies.

>>510780

forgot my other pic, the "untitled pic" has the Zerglings that would mostly resemble the Genestealer, yet they're clearly different despite the xenomorph influences.

>>508420

>>508419

Love to be a crusader state with that mod. The unique melting pot culture group that it gives them adds a good amount of flavor to RP with.

>>509207

Who did you play as?

>>509207

My ck2 latin empire conversion with a little bit of border touch ups done for muh autism. Spread the greatness of the Croisé peoples whilst preserving a minority of Coptic Egyptian Catholics. The rise of the Latins has begun!

>>510933

>latin empire

>>510936

Vigilius von Vlaanderen II by the grace of God is Justinian's noble successor, and the Imperator of Rome in the east, lord protector over all of eastern Christendom. The great seat of imperial power is the queen of cities Constantinople and the 4 Latin Patriarchs of the east co-celebrate the imperial coronation of all Latin emperors.

>>510933

Started out as a minor count in Poland, got nominated as a duke by the king after my duke died, then got lucky and married my heir to the king's daughter who was his only heir. Got to king within 4 characters. I allied Hungary, eventually getting my dynasty on their throne and spent most of the game conquering eastern pagans (won the crusade for Lithuania, annexing the entire region in one war). Eventually released Lithuania with my relative as king because I didn't want to blob too much too early.

After that it was pretty peaceful, developing my holdings and helping out my allies against pagans and rebellions. Late game we also started warring mongols and I conquered them all the way to Azov and officially became an empire. I had 6 or 7 holdings, all surrounding my capital in Krakow, giving me a strong army so I kept rebellions in check and replaced most of my vassals with dynasty members.

Other notable things in this playthrough that I had nothing to do with was England conquering half of France, an independent french Kingdom of Jerusalem forming and a catholic kingdom of Turkmenistan forming in the middle of bumfuck mongolland.

In EU4 I focused mostly on colonization. The diplomatic situation got flipped upside down, Hungary out of nowhere started hating Lithuania and allied all of my enemies. I colonized Canda, the south of South America, the Spice Islands and South Africa. Went to some wars in Europe, mostly to defend Byzantium and later help them remove kebab. Problem was, kebab was allied to either England or Russia, sometimes both so those were big and hard wars.Later on Europe pretty much split into 2 alliance blocks:

>1

Poland, Byzantium, Austria, Papal States, Andalusia (catholic spanish kingdom owning half of Spain)

>2

England (controlling all of GB, France and nearly half of Germany), Denmark (controlling almost all of Scandinavia), Castille (other half of Spain) and Hungary

We went to war on several occasions, but neither side could get the better of the other. Eventually we started gaining an advantage over them, Austria controlled most of Germany, Pope got all of Italy (except the Alps), Byzantium reonquered Balkans and Anatolia, I weakened Denmark and Hungary. There were still problems, because Austria kept getting rebellions all over and Lithuania kept declaring war on Russia and Denmark, then being surprised when I didn't want to join them so I had to pay off their debts all the time.

Russia stopped caring about Europe, started conquering a ton of territority east. Andalusia, Castille and England colonized most of North and South Americas, France (which at this point was reduced to holding only the Pyrenees) surprisingly managed to colonize Latin America and Peru. I focused on the Spice Islands instead, eventually gaining control over all of them. Later I starded conquering east coeast Africa, eventually getting to Saudi Arabia and then utterly destroyed the Ottomans with Byzantium and Armenia. Then snaked my way all the way to India. Also, gained Japan (which somehow became Catholic without any intervention) as protectorate.

>border touch ups done for muh autism

I do the same. Mostly to fix bordergore and weaken blobs (including myself)

>>510939

>>510933

I hope the Reformation makes your entire country Protestant

The Shin Megami Tensei Series

>>511165

>>508370

I always wanted to played that game but never got the chance to get it.

>>511629

>>Christian themed is rare, when it's made its always anti Christianity. Especially from Japan.

>tfw some of your favorite jap vidyas are anti-christian in one way or another

Remind me again why the japs hate Christianity?

>>512286

>and Persona series (outside of 5)

Curious, what make Persona 5 had anti-Christianity themes in it unlike the other Persona games?

t. Anon who didn't played Persona 5 or Persona series

>>511635

Good series tbh. Looking forward to the third one.

>>508381

>>508411

>>510307

>>510742

I remember a while ago the company who made those bible nes games, wisdom tree, open a kickstarter/indiegogo campaign to make a plug n play collection of all of their nes games.

>>514013

Japs likely don't understand nor like Christianity, albeit they obviously like the Medieval Chivalry codes and Christian aesthetics.

>>514013

It's not anti-Christ. It's just really edgy Gnosticism written by Japanese people who are several times removed from Gnosticism and never bothered to even look it up.

P5 is harmless.

>>512286

Japanese do not understand Christ in any meaningful way (not counting our Japanese brothers and sisters in Christ, of course) so don't expect that. As for God sans the fullness of Him, Devil Survivor is pretty amazing, at least as far as JRPGs go.

Basically the plot is that Tokyo has become overrun with demons and is under lockdown though only a few know the real reason. You play as one of three teens who got stuck in the lockdown after your cousin, a cryptic and eerie guy who's a wiz with tech, leaves you devices known as COMPs which form artificial pacts with demons to summon them like pokemon.

The whole game is a test against time where you're constantly trying to save people, stop certain characters from following evil paths, and trying to solve the hidden mystery of the lockdown all while simply trying to stay alive.

However, DS is good only for the well written and thought-out NEUTRAL ROUTE. The LAW and CHAOS routes are terrible in comparison and the 9th day expansion added to the 3DS version (the better version) only makes it worse. There's no additional day to the NEUTRAL route because it's a good book-end on its own. If you know what you're getting into and save often you'll be fine getting the endings open to you via dialogue choices. There's also waifu but you don't really get to do much with them since you're busy trying to solve the mystery, save people and survive the whole time. Suffice to say, Maiden a Best.

Spoiler about the God thing: Unlike in the other routes and the 9th day expansion, God is portrayed as very harsh and testing but also incredibly fair and loving. He sends His angels to observe mankind during the whole "ordeal" and even leaves them open to helping you, though some are more sympathetic than others. One angel in particular, Ramliel (non-biblical) keeps the Maiden safe from the mega-demon she's been implanted with via evil cult rituals and repeatedly exhorts you to do your best and trust in God and how God loves you even now. He says God would have erased Tokyo if He actually hated man, which makes sense. They try to do a pseudo-Messiah thing where the protag can lead the world in either righteousness or chaos (LAW or CHAOS routes) but they are terrible, as I said. Just go the NEUTRAL route and you'll be amazingly surprised at how fantastic it was done.

One thing I really like is how it stands as the quintessential SMT title, the truest successor to Nocturne while surpassing it narratively entirely. Multiple times in the story you get to hear and are even asked what you think of God and His angels for what's happening. Some thing He's a jerk and selfish. Others think He's a cool God who doesn't afraid of sinners. The talk from characters and NPCs really fleshes out the choice the player has, which is a choice that doesn't really appear in the game (aside from the dumb alternate routes):

Do you think God is benevolent, even as He has allowed so much suffering?

It's very basic theodicy which you'd never expect from a handheld JRPG, let alone an SMT title.

Devil Survivor 1, NEUTRAL ROUTE, is the closest you'll get to a game that leaves the view up to the player. Do you believe? What about this theory, or this theory? What if God's a demon? What if He's a usurper? If He's so good, then do you really trust Him?

It's an experience I have never and may never again have with a JRPG.

…Devil Survivor 2 is just rip-off Evangelion. Sadly that's the one that got an anime made from it. Of course.

Then again whenever one of these games does its own thing and doesn't get overtly (or covertly) blasphemous it's alright. P5 isn't even about demons but "shadows" that are basically mental demons or the demons of one's mind (classic Persona did the same thing but just called them demons).

>>508370

This is a good thread. A good topic.

Love Castlevania games, most of them aren't aggresive to christianity with many of the belmonts weilding crosses and bibles (…as weapons in an unrealistic matter, but nevertheless) to kill demons.

The american remake is the opposite and tries to be edgy from what I've seen though…

If I remember correctly, Portrait of Ruin has a merchant from the vatican as well.

I'll throw a bone to the Trails series which has the "Septian Church" in its world and while not explicitly Christian anyone with half a brain can see where the inspiration came from. Now whats peculiar is that is that instead of going the way of tired clichés this series portrays the Church as an organisation that:

>Collects and shares art

>Develops cutting edge medicine

>Is in charge of the school education in most of the known world and sends priests to minister to even remotely located villages

>Upholds moral values and is beneficial to society

>Keeps the world safe by safeguarding dangerous artifacts

And the clergy are all nice decent people instead of shitty caricatures like you see in the netflix castlevania show. In the Trails world everyone pretty much has faith and is prospering because of it. Funny thing to note is that the villains are pretty much exclusively atheists/edgy gnostics, which I found to be just delightful.

But even without the respectful stance on the faith I think its a wholesome JRPG series with lots of charm and love put in on it. Would recommend to anyone who is not dyslexic, as it has a shitton of text in it.

>>508370

Dante's inferno is an evil heinous blasphemous mess of a fanfiction of Catholicism mixed with Greek myths. Come on.

Also, do you really like a game that shoves "Satan's" circumcised (huh?) penis and testicles in your face? Really?

>>526087

I need to play FFT. Everything I hear is good about it.

>>526129

>>526215

Did you anons forget who the writer for the Xeno series made? Did you already forget sexy robo-spirit Mary and superpowered tiny Jesus?

I think it was kind of already mentioned, but Persona 3. The protag being a Messiah of sorts in a fight against Death itself was really cool, imo. And that ending though on the rooftop with Aigis gets me to this day.

>>527096

>Dante's inferno is an evil heinous blasphemous mess of a fanfiction of Catholicism mixed with Greek myths.

Game, Book, or both?

>>527114

>after they hired fake Christian protestors, playing up the worst Christian stereotypes, to stage a fake protest for a guerilla marketing campaign?

Oh yeah, I remember that marketing stunt by EA.

>>527105

>The protag being a Messiah of sorts in a fight against Death itself was really cool, imo.

Nah that's grotesque heresy, especially since the mythology of P3 was in the Greek pantheon and they suddenly lumped in the concept of the Messiah in there.

Also that the protag is Messiah (literally bearing the protag's face) and it being related to Thanatos…

Also that the messiah character did not resurrect and live a happy life ever after but instead is dead and his soul is trapped as a chained stone statue lock to a big door of stupid keeping man from summoning stupidity to kill himself because "life is pain".

– When, in reality, the true Messiah God actually handles everything and literally walks away from the tomb (and arises to heaven).

What angered me most was the Messiah "concept" being emasculated to the point where the messiah has to suffer forever and stay dead. It's disgusting. A true Messiah doesn't just sacrifice his life but also overcomes death. P3 never overcomes death. Death is just kept at bay.

Jesus essentially killed death. Our Lord is too rad for JRPG writers to understand.

>>527118

>Game, Book, or both?

haha Nice.

And yeah the answer's both.

>>527120

>Dust: an Elysian Tail

>furry game

>Christian overtones

Alright, I need to hear this

>>527096

>>526087

you guys should play FFT's predecessor, Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together, it's much better.

interesting trivia about it:

>The PSX translation of the game used Roman Catholic terms when translating religious titles, namely "Cardinal" and "Bishop." However, the PSP translation used titles from Orthodox Christianity. This is extremely relevant, as Valeria is a Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Yugoslavia and Eastern Orthodoxy is the dominant form of Christianity in that area.

>>527096

Final Fantasy TacticsEdit

A major antagonistic organization is the Church of Glabados, an allusion to the old Roman Catholic Church and the infamous Medieval Inquisition. The Church's Messiah, St. Ajora, alludes to Jesus Christ, although his actions were closer to that of a false prophet or the Antichrist. His comparison to a false prophet was indicated by his job class, "False Saint" or "Phony Saint".

Germonique's betrayal of St. Ajora to the proper authorities, exempting the more noble reasons behind the betrayal, were similar to Judas's betrayal of Jesus Christ to Pontious Pilate. The Lucavi, who possess humans upon death, refer to demonic possession. The Lucavi are explicitly referred to as demons, and their leader, Ultima, a fallen angel.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Religious_allusions_in_Final_Fantasy#Final_Fantasy_Tactics

The story of Ajora bears some similarities to that of Jesus Christ; both of which include notable prophecies, betrayal at the hands of a close disciple, antagonism from the prevailing religious sect, and execution by the reigning authorities. However, the requirements needed for his resurrection and goals make him resemble the biblic Antichrist character, as the one that although attempts to mimic Christ's life and appearance, deceives the people with an ultimate intention of bringing chaos into the world.

Ajora's birthday is September 11th. Some believe this is the real date Jesus was born, in the year 3 B.C. based on astronomical charts, clues provided in the Book of Revelation, and the fact the date on the Hebrew calendar translated into the Feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot–a holy day often associated with Jesus's birth and return in the Second Coming.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ajora_Glabados

The attempt to include overt references to Judeo-Christian figures in the classic role-playing game Xenogears caused a few translators to quit — they feared a violent backlash — and prompted a change in the name of the game's final boss, according to one of the people who brought the game to America.

On this week's installment of the podcast 8-4 Play, long-time game localizer Richard Honeywood reveals what it was like translating the game in which God was the final boss. He's talking of course about Xenogears and the upheaval involved.

Beginning at roughly the 1:19:20 mark, he recalls "It was the project from hell. Translators walked off it. One [reason] was that it was too technical… and….the other was the religious content. It was a game, where, at the end of the game you basically kill God. And—a secret thing—back then, they actually called it Yahweh."

Honeywood was concerned that this bold bit of naming could offend portions of the game's audience, and confronted the development team—with unexpected consequences.

"At a development meeting in Japanese I was saying 'You can't call it Yahweh. You can't do that.' I was getting exasperated, and in Japanese [I said] yabeh-o, and they all laughed and thought it was the greatest pun ever. And so, the last boss was suddenly called Yabeh."

(For those scratching their heads, the adjective yabai is Japanese slang for something dangerous, unfortunate or otherwise inconvenient. Hence the room of hysterical Squaresoft employees, and one bewildered Honeywood.)

For some on Honeywood's staff, the potentially controversial themes cultivated by Xenogears were no laughing matter.

"[They] took every biblical reference they could and tried to twist it. One of the translators was a bit worried about this and was like 'I don't want to have fundamental Christians or other religious groups being upset and blowing up our office.' And I guess in the States, at that time, it was a concern. So I had two translators walk off it and I was stuck there by myself."

The antagonist known as Yabeh was ultimately redubbed Deus in the English-language release of the game. And Xenogears has enjoyed an enduring legacy as cult-favorite—in large part thanks to its edgy content.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160322045937/http://kotaku.com/5794922/how-one-man-stopped-square-enix-from-letting-gamers-kill-yahweh

>Ctrl+F

>type in "Ys", turn Whole Words option on

>0 results

Disappointed in you, /christian/. You guys need some better gaming taste.

>Organized religion and monotheism is shown positively in IV

>

>Abuse of knowledge chastised (using science/theology for evil) Main villain in the first game is literally named Dark Fact

>Hero is named Christian Adol

>Chivalry flowing out the monitor and back

Ok, the slight hints at polytheism ruins the chance for a completely Christian themed game, but the rest reminds me of transitional Christian-lit like Beowulf or the King Arthur legends, not quite Christian but definitely not outright pagan.

>>526290

This seems to be a common theme in Falcom games. I wonder if there a closet or reserved Christian in the writing team.

>>527276

>'I don't want to have fundamental Christians or other religious groups being upset and blowing up our office.'

>implying Christians are the ones to blow things up

>cut to 2017…

smug related

That said, thanks for this. It's good to have proof that Xenogears is about as anti-Christ as a videogame could get. It far and away surpasses even classic SMT. It really is a disgusting little wretched thing.

As for FFT, I can't tell if they were just more confused Nips who didn't actually research what they were writing or really wanted to make an unnerving Antichrist facsimile…

harvest moon series:

>promotes hard work, determination and kindness

>no gays

>teaches you to enjoy the simple country life in a small tight-knit community

>>514013

>Remind me again why the japs hate Christianity?

They don't really, organized religion is just a very good generic antagonist in a fantasy setting and they think Catholic trappings are cool fashion-wise.

Most of the BBEG Gods in their LN's and what not aren't even remotely like the conception of the Christian God.

Dragon Quest, the big mainstream JRPG for japanese people, generally has a very positive view of Christianity throughout the entire series. Even DQ7, the series peak, which deals with the death of religion/tradition (and arguably it's rebirth), with it's arc of the Church being co-opted by evil, still shows believers, priests and God himself in a very positive manner. (annoyingly the localizers translated the gender-neutral Kami as Goddess even though pic related shows up in the same game)

>>508370

Legend of Zelda has always been my all time favorite.

Early games, especially A Link to the Past, were almost completely Christian. You can interpret the triforce as a metaphor for the holt trinity as well. Too much paganism in later games unfortunately

Mount&Blade with Medieval Conquests

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_references_to_religion_in_Halo

>>527130

>>527137

If you love Egovania/Metroidvania games, it's the real deal. If there are religious themes, it's so light I didn't really notice.

It's unfortunate that it has furry characters. Them being furry doesn't even play a role in the game aside from the companion and the foreigner and monster race of the game, and even that could've been ethnic base.

>>530022

This really disappoint me. I really wish that they'd go back to their roots or if some other company makes a spiritual successor or what the original concept was about.

Given that the dungeons had islamic undertones taken out and the vary nature of Ganon coming from the desert in medieval stetting, this would have made this game the ideal Christianity of Europe heritage vs Islam invasion type of game.

No…

>>540225

https://web.archive.org/web/20170708152621/http://thelibertystandard.com/halo-a-modern-conservative-allegory/

>>540354

>>527276

>Beginning at roughly the 1:19:20 mark, he recalls "It was the project from hell. Translators walked off it. One [reason] was that it was too technical… and….the other was the religious content. It was a game, where, at the end of the game you basically kill God. And—a secret thing—back then, they actually called it Yahweh."

Here are my favorites, without any mindfulness about how christian they are.

Has anybody played this game? I just remember playing this game a lot on my mom's old PC as a little kid. It was also the first game that truly scared me in my entire life when the Nebuchadnezzar's Statue appeared in Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

>MFW I will never forget that creepy statue (2nd pic)