cca5a2 No.445
This sounds strange to people raised with the idea "do what you love and the money will follow." But we all know that's crap. The problem with doing what you love is, you'll have to do it within a capitalist framework. Obviously you hate this, and if you connect what you love to that you'll eventually hate what you love.
This is what happened to me and architecture. Don't make my mistake.
My solution was to find something where I'm at least proud of the result of my work. So I can say "At least I did something more than JUST make some capitalist richer. I also built a home for a family."
Alternately, find a job that you honestly don't give a shit about. One you can put down when the workday is over. And then spend the rest of the time doing what you really want to do, secure in the knowledge that your value comes from that and not what you do to earn money.
And yeah, avoid debts, be able to cut loose, and have an exit strategy.
If you haven't read anything by Ran Prieur, I would suggest checking out his "How to drop out" essay. It's a little old, but it's in the right spirit and might give you hope and a goal to pursue.
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cca5a2 No.446
This so much.
Since 16 I was interested in a desk job where I could be professional and noticed compared to a blue collar job, and once I got my wish it has felt as if my life had been fulfilled to live what I thought was a dream. I figured since I was a descendant of a farming/blue collar family I had become an important figure. However I was soon mortified by the corporate bureaucracy and hoops I had to jump just so I could make a little more extra a month despite the growing profit of the company.
After a scuffle with management, I quit and began my own business which after only 4 months I am making as much as I was working for my previous job. I do what I love for a living, but the difference between me and many other people who say the same thing is that I dictate my own hours, my own pay and future. It is not easy, but no one said running a business was.
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cca5a2 No.450
Ok, you have my attention. Something you'll need to clarify though.
>The problem with doing what you love is, you'll have to do it within a capitalist framework. Obviously you hate this, and if you connect what you love to that you'll eventually hate what you love.
I seem to be ignorant of the problem here. I don't see why doing in my case music within a capitalist framework would be a bad thing. It's only natural considering "the system" is set up to work that way. Care to explain exactly what the problem you see here is?
>And yeah, avoid debts, be able to cut loose, and have an exit strategy.
No objections here. Care to share what your exit strategy is? I'm fascinated by people who plan stuff in advance.
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cca5a2 No.485
>>445Yup. Doing what you love is a hobby. Doing what gets you paid well is a career.
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cca5a2 No.487
>>485unfortunately yes. the minute you make your hobby your job is the minute is ceases to be your hobby.
tacking obligations and red tape on to things often just saps the fun out of them.
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cca5a2 No.497
I like Ran, very good reads. Thanks for mentioning him, OP.
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cca5a2 No.498
what if your too autistic to do something that isnt your hobby?
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cca5a2 No.541
>>498
>TFW what I love is composing music and writing
>TFW English major
Why even live?
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cca5a2 No.547
>>445
>Implying everyone with half a brain doesn't know this
If I did what I "loved" I'd be another retarded philosophy/history major doomed to working at starbucks. Millenials are fucking stupid and don't realize that you don't need to fucking study what love. I still enjoy reading philosophy while working a real job receiving a real paycheck. I've had arguments with these retards who've literally said "b-but not all of us have time to balance jobs and read books at the same time". The only reason I can think for not having enough spare time to read some fucking books on your preferred subject is if you're some poor faggot worried about paying his bills with his shit minimum wage job. But oh wait, you'd only be in that situation if you majored in something completely useless, which subsequently would be that subject you oh-so-love. Fuck I hate these retards.
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cca5a2 No.564
You can do what you love but be prepared to be a miserable penny pincher.
All the counselors at the different programs I've been to shop at goodwill and get store brand stuff at walmart, driving around a busted clunker.
But they do what they love I guess.
Which is being a lazy bossy babysitter.
Then again I hate my counselors.
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cca5a2 No.566
>>547
>another retarded philosophy/history major doomed to working at starbucks.
Pretty much describes me.
I'm going back to school and just focusing on STEM. Do I love it? Not tremendously, but I like it more than I like being perpetually underemployed.
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cca5a2 No.591
>>547
>Have an AS Degree of Science from Community College
>Facebook Friends laughing at me
>LEL he went to Community College
>They all went to prestigious Universities like NYU, Boston, Florida, etc.
>Few dropped out, some graduated with a shitty degree
>People who made fun of me work in Jellato, Starbucks, I earn more than them by the hour.
>They have debts
>I dont have more than $700 debt
I dont know, I think I made the right decisions so fat. gotta be smart. better be able to buy that house + stable job when ur 30 with no debts, rather than have no house and be in debt.
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cca5a2 No.639
>This sounds strange to people raised with the idea "do what you love and the money will follow." But we all know that's crap. The problem with doing what you love is, you'll have to do it within a capitalist framework. Obviously you hate this, and if you connect what you love to that you'll eventually hate what you love.
>you'll eventually hate what you love.
For anybody who might discover this dead-ass thread: My whole life I told myself to avoid doing what I loved because I would hate it having to do it under constraints, and I was tragically wrong.
Yes, it's true that no matter how much you love something, it won't necessarily be fun to do it when/where/how you don't feel like doing it – for that's where most of the fun comes from, the leisurely pleasure.
And yet now, I would do fucking anything to go back in time and pursue exactly what I loved. The notion that I would come to hate it was an excuse.
First of all, nobody has enough time to dedicate to becoming world-class in more than one thing. Unless the thing you love is just tinkering with a hobby that isn't artistic, isn't something you take any pride in, isn't something you identify with, then don't keep it as a hobby, because if you do you're never going to be any good at it.
Something I've realized as the years go on is that it's not a dichotomy of enjoyment/money; that's such an oversimplification. As I said above, even if you do the thing you love as a job, it's not going to be fun 100% of the time, but really, it won't be either way: Even if it's just as a hobby, it's going to require work and systematizing and dedication to get it to where you really can take pride in it.
Do you want to spend the rest of your life working a corny job and then spend 45 minutes at a time, two nights a week, trying to make a video game or playing in a bullshit cover band? Because one day you'll realize you have money but it never seems to be enough, and yet at the same time you also never finished a game or played in a band that played anywhere outside of bars in a stripmall…because you simply didn't have enough time to get any good at it.
OP might insist he hates architecture, but at least he knows how to design a quality building when he wants to – and he will again.
The satisfaction comes from your identity, and the types of people who look up to you. If you don't give a shit about your job as an accountant, who cares if people want your autograph at a finance convention? When you wake up, do you feel good knowing you're an accountant who happens to have a hobby as a rockstar?
Yes, the "do what you love and the money will follow because everyone is interested in something" idea is a joke, but the reality isn't too far off: do what you love, keep your business glasses on, and you'll discover opportunities through which you can make money while still being who/what you want to be, still be surrounded by the people you like and admire, and still be adulated by them.
You will never have the respect of everyone. Never. You can be the biggest rock star in the world with a ton of money, full artistic integrity and control, and there's still gonna be some fat, bald faggot proclaiming, "What, am I supposed to be impressed?! The guy gets on a stage and plays a GUITAR as his contribution to society! Meanwhile I toil in court to put CRIMINALS behind BARS! I'M the real rock star here!"
Besides:
"Doesn't matter what your title is, how much money you have, or where you live; if you have to wake up to an alarm clock every day, you ain't shit."
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cca5a2 No.646
>>547
I got a 29 on the ACT. What is a good major for someone who doesn't wanna dedicate their life to work, but can still make decent money. Through my first year of college and I have no clue what I want to study.
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cca5a2 No.647
>>646
are you taking on student debt?
frankly i think the smartest thing to do is to WORK and SAVE MONEY. college is great and all but it's not going to put you anywhere, only YOUR decisions will.
if you don't know what you're doing in college then just don't go. you can always go later. if you can get a decent job through a friend with good pay, do that instead. grow a little, and if you find some kind of drive to learn something then go to school. but really just flailing through college and coming out the other end with $50k of DEBT and accreditation in something you don't care about is not smart. it's just not.
there's nothing wrong with doing nothing man, regardless of how badly our corporate overlords try to convince us otherwise.
also
>doesn't wanna dedicate their life to work
aahahaha you poor fool, that's all life is, especially if you want to make money. you fool. good christ you poor bastard. lol.
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cca5a2 No.651
>>647
I live in Tennessee so I can get my associate's for free, but after that I'll probably take on about $20k in debt. Currently enrolled to become a history teacher because that's the only thing I could think of other than economics that I give a shit about, and Econ is such a vague degree that I don't see where I'd get employed with it.
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cca5a2 No.653
>>651
You say Econ is vague, so you go for history? Allow me to repeat,oh you poor, foolish bastard. But it's okay, sadly nobody ever tells us what's actually important. We were all ignorant at one point or another, it's those that want to learn that matter in the world.
Actually if you really are interested in Econ, you should major in that and minor in history with a focus on the history of banking/finance. That'll look *really* good to any employer. Really, a college degree in itself means squat unless you're going for a technical job like biochemistry, pharmacy etc. If you simply take the generic coursework all you're telling people is that you're a generic person. Do what's standard in a unique way and your employers will see that you can work within a system, along with the promise that you can make it your own AND improve upon it. THAT'S what employers want.
"I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference."
Double major bro, do it.
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cca5a2 No.658
>>653
I thought about double majoring in history and econ. Thanks for the advice man.
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cca5a2 No.659
>>653
Mind if I ask what you do, if you like it, and how you found out whether or not you like it?
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cca5a2 No.663
>>659
i'm pretty much a NEET currently, living with my parents. i'm the guy that was posting about PPC.
i went to a comm college and got an AA degree in general studies and wasted enough money doing that. worked a buncha part time jobs before and right now i'm trying to see if i'm able to generate a return on my savings. i'm currently enrolled to take a class on daytrading, taught by daytraders, i'll see if that works out. if not then i'll have to bite the bullet and go back to college, probably for something like accounting and get a part time job to offset costs.
i'm not successful yet but i'm sure as hell trying. if you need inspiration go hitchhike somewhere and you'll learn that while society is openly friendly, at its core it really doesn't give a shit about you. (thank you banksters for the elastic monetary policy!)
i dunno what to say man, it's gonna get worse for everyone before anyone really cares to make things change for the better. it's an uphill struggle. post back with whatever you accomplish, or not, it's whatever i got my own shit to worry about. good luck to all of us.
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cca5a2 No.666
>>663
Well today I got my car fixed. I'm currently bussing tables at a restaurant. Going in for my second year of community college august 24. Next paycheck I'll get a laptop, and hopefully have money left to do something for my girlfriends birthday, which is annoyingly close. After that I'll be buying tires for my car, and purchasing a domain and learning HTML. I'm kinda at a really low place right now too, but climbing. So i cant even complain.
Good luck NEET-armchair-career-guru. You sound like a good guy.
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cca5a2 No.669
>>666
ah girlfriends, the antimatter of wealth. your 666 get says it all man.
have you looked at gaining any certifications? healthcare is always a stable field, given the turmoil our country may be seeing throughout the next few decades (eg hyperinflation) that might be something to consider. not to mention way cheaper to get accredited. nursing/childcare is something i've been considering, if not for the job it does say a lot about personal responsibility which makes you more hireable. i wouldn't mind being a professional tard-wrangler, given the way this countries going i'd imagine the demand for that position is growing. i'd stay away from programming unless you're reealllyy good at it, digital jobs are easily outsourced to poorer countries who're much more motivated to perform at half the cost. i knew a guy who'd cold-call business and sell them a wordpress website, i think he's a register jockey now. the whole digital-entrepreneur field is getting kinda bloated. getting a CDL is a solid choice, i'd guess we've got a while before google automates trucking.
frankly i'd sooner live in a van than an apartment if i were living on my own. being bitter and lonely has its benefits i guess, much cheaper. it's all about saving that dollar, people don't care what you do for it, only that you have it.. anyway don't go feeling like you're the absolute bottom of the barrel man because there are a LOT of people there with you. don't ignore your peers i guess. just about every common citizen is in this shit and we're gonna have to rely on each other cuz it's only gonna get worse, you can trust me on that.
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cca5a2 No.672
>>669
Tbh I'm just learning to code because I have about a half dozen ideas for mobile apps bouncing around in my head, and of those, I think half of them are really good. Living in a van definitely isn't a terrible idea, but it also says a lot about how you view yourself. I'd imagine van living is quite bad for morale. Imagine how'd you feel showing up to a board of directors meeting in sweat pants and a wife beater. Now imagine that outfi lt is your house. BUT, if you've exhausted other options I see no reason why anyone should look down on you for living in a van, unless you were looking to date their daughter.
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f2ae43 No.1758
>>639
I discovered this thread, thank you for your wise words
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cae22a No.1769
>>666
>>672
Living in a van can save you a lot of money, just be sure that you know the parking laws around the area you will be dwelling, otherwise you will be towed.
You could always build one of these using an old van if you would like as well, and just drive this around and leave it in public land where nobody can find it
https://dub-box-usa.com/adventure-camper/
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cdb1df No.1773
I know how you feel OP. I used to love game development, but now when it is my job I just want to be done with it
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6b1444 No.1783
>>445
So when are you supposed to do what you love if you're busy doing what you don't love all the time?
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27d6e7 No.1876
>>445
So basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEuPmVAb8o
>>1783
His point is do the job no one else wants to do because there is the potential to earn a hell of a lot more due to lack of willing candidates. Make your money, then go home and have your fun.
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5f36df No.1878
This board is basically the blog of some faggot with low self esteem
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4fd15a No.1903
>>445
>everyone knows this
Are you fucking retarded?
I make 100k a year being a sysadmin.
I love what I do, I've obsessed over technology
since I was old enough to shitpost.
The money followed.
Everyone else I know hates what they do and
are too much of a pussy to do what they love
because faggots like you tell them they won't
make money if they do.
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0d1c0e No.1915
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1c9700 No.1917
>>1915
>>1903
Why bump a 2 year old thread? OP isn't going to respond to you.
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cddb78 No.1951
IMO it depends on the hobby. Some liberal farts art shit won't work well. Computers and marketing? Perhaps. Get some bearable job, draw up a plan, invest in your own hobby. In my hobby its all about testing what works and what doesn't. I still have a job as a fallback, but the ultimate rush is when your hobby makes more money than the job. I'm working towards that.
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982c63 No.2073
>>1917
This board is basically dead anyway. When I responded to the thread, it was on page 4.
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