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10b961 No.1732

I'm thinking about growing wood, so I figured out I'll post it here.

So I've got this small piece of land (20+ha) where I currently grow nothing, just cut grass and get some sweet EU money. It's nice, but it'll end soon, so I'm thinking how can I use this plot of land, and I found this chinese superhero, Pawlounia tree which seems suspiciously profitable, so I told myself that I'll share what I know with you.

It grows super fast, you should be able to get 1m^3 from one tree in just 8 years, and after you cut it down tree will regrow back, even a little faster. Wood is not very dense, but still dense enough to use for pretty much anything. As I said, it's not a tree, it's chinese superhero.

let's do some basic math…

One tree requires about 4x5m^2 = 20 m^2. 1 ha = 10.000m^2 => 1 ha = 500 trees.

Solid boards sells at about 250€/m^3, but I'm no farmer, I have no contacts, let's use 100€/m^3 as best case scenario, and 20€/m^3 (firewood) as worst case scenario

By this logic, 1 ha should produce something between 500*20€ and 500*100€, or 10.000€ and 50.000€ every 8 years. 500 trees cost about 3750€, so profit, without calculation price of tech and fuel, is something between 6.250€ and 46.250€, or something between 780€ and 5780€ per annum. This looks fucking insanely good, I believe there must be some hidden things I do not see right now.

I do not own tractor, so planting more than 1 ha is impossible.

What do you think about it? Do you think I have forgot about something? Do you have any suggestions?

I personally want to buy 10 trees this spring and plant them so I'll make sure that they won't reject my land, find out if deers find them tasty and so on.

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985421 No.1745

Cool idea. Wouldn't be a bad idea to consider planting a few trees that can yield syrup. You could market your own syrup wine and syrup. Between trees, and if you have the space, you could consider planting fruits and vegetables. Then little animals will come around and you can start trapping and hunting for leather and meat to make purses, clothes, and jerky.

When people know that you're selling they'll wait to buy your goods until you're wiling to drop the price, because any smart buyer is aware of whether the seller has private/independent buyers, or is looking just to sell to anyone. I would just mention trying selling other parts of the tree for things like firewood, or try making your own charcoal or curing some wood for people who like to grill. Consider selling some wood to artists and sculptors, then to craftsmen.

Where are you trying to sell your wood to? Some places could use your wood.

Idk man, this is just my first post here. Sorry if this isn't anything to go off of. Just saying if you're going to farm wood you should be ware of all of wood's modern and practical uses.

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643a25 No.1770

A golf course, maybe?

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974ab4 No.1775

File: cfe96a13860686c⋯.jpg (194.75 KB,656x788,164:197,8b3e653a5d23dac903cc8f5589….jpg)

Umm you're a dumbass op.

No matter how fast you grow a tree it ain't gonna be worth shit to cut boards out of at 8 years. from the wikipedia page: Paulownia grown on plantations generally has widely spaced growth rings, meaning that it is soft and of little value;

not to mention that because the only use you'll have of it (and its susceptable to fungus, etc) at the 8 year size is pulp, you would be better off with more or less any (already fast growing) pulp tree, which if you don't already have growing, ain't worth you're time persueing.

You got 20 hec that will grow grass it sounds like. 20 hec could be used for a lot of things (quite frankly bamboo sounds more realistic then this shitty chink wood).

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10b961 No.1778

>>1745

> trees that can yield syrup

I know very little about this syrup, all I know is that there is such tree as maple tree (from canadian flag) and when I tried googling it, I couldn't find no information in my language and very little in english, so I suppose it's not really viable option for me, I'm not gonna plant a trees from which I would harvest teaspoon of syrup which is impossible to sell directly to people in my country. Best alternative is honey, but I can't into bee farming and I don't want to dedicate my life to farming right now, maybe after first harvest

>little animals will come around and you can start trapping and hunting for leather and meat

this sound like fun, but I'm not sure if that's legal here, especially trapping animals for more than personal need.

>they'll wait to buy your goods until you're willing to drop the price

yes, this will be a huge problem, but even if I won't find a seller, I can leave wood for a few years near my house and use it for heating.

>other parts of the tree for things like firewood

I don't really go all in for biomass, all leaves and weed should be returned back to earth so trees will not be under nutritioned, I don't want to lower quality of my soil just for a few bucks.

>Consider selling some wood to artists and sculptors, then to craftsmen.

this is good idea.

Another options might be growing some animals, but I don't want to spend whole winter taking care of them.

Thanks for your ideas, I'll reconsider them in some time.

>>1770

yea, land is near some godforsaken village near ukrainian border, this would be impossible.

>>1775

>it ain't gonna be worth shit to cut boards out of at 8 years

yea, maybe. It will still be possible to use as firewood.

>pulp tree

I can't find translation for this, can you explain?

>You got 20 hec that will grow grass it sounds like

well, there are EU money for that right now, but I know it's quite retarded so I need to prepare for when it'll end.

>20 hec could be used for a lot of things

I know, but I'm looking for something I can do without leaving work.

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643a25 No.1782

File: 1fdbddfb77bc732⋯.png (128.21 KB,785x973,785:973,maple-search1.PNG)

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>>1778

>I couldn't find no information in my language and very little in english, so I suppose it's not really viable option for me, I'm not gonna plant a trees from which I would harvest teaspoon of syrup which is impossible to sell directly to people in my country.

I don't think it's a very obscure tree. Generally, it seems the extraction process looks very straightforward. It seems in Eastern Europe, there's a similar thing going on.

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10b961 No.1788

File: 6297ab561d058bf⋯.png (391.74 KB,625x625,1:1,ClipboardImage.png)

>>1782

ok, it seems like I wasn't googling enough. I found interesting forum for people interested in tapping maples - http://mapletrader.com/

I found also some guy from my country which is doing that for about 6 years. For central europe, most suitable maples seems to be Acer platanoides, Acer pseudoplatanus and Acer campestre. Based on what he said, it's extremely rare craft in europe, all information you can get is from US/Canadian sources, technology must be imported from Canada and based on what he was able to find out, there are only 2 people in europe making maple syrup - him and one guy in Czech republic, both mostly for personal use.

For tapping you need to have tree about 40 years old (but some american universities claim that you can start since tree is 20 years old), and you should be able to get about 10 gallons or 37.8 L of sap from one tap. Some trees can have multiple taps, don't ask me for details, visit forum I posted. If we manage to get sap with 2% amount of sugar (what is quite good for europe) we should be able to convert about 40L of sap into 1L of syrup. You can correct me, this information might be false.

Also be careful, tapping wild trees is in some (european?) states illegal.

So if you want to start growing maples for syrup, I'd recommend to check if your state offers some subsidies for forestation. IMHO it'd be fun to plant a few of them when I'll get married and move into a house so I'll have something fun to do when I retire. But honey>>>syrup.

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985421 No.1798

File: c1d4dbad028cb56⋯.gif (1.68 MB,391x299,17:13,Steven Sorbet.gif)

While I'm here, a lot of people out there could use a place to bury some bodies I'm sure. Maybe try leasing the land to someone who wants to build something there, or someone who likes to camp and needs a place to live. Fuck, do not underestimate the value of land, OP.

>Also worth mentioning: if the earth your land encompasses isn't fertile, you won't be growing shit.

Try finding someone who wants to invest in solar or wind power.

Advertising and mining? Garbage dump? Athletic/doggie/recreational park? Concerts and festivals?

It's not easy to destroy land without the use of chemicals and chemical compounds. It's something that keeps on giving. You could lease that shit and go traveling the world while people keep paying you for the use of the land and you don't even have to be there. Don't tell the rich executive type bigheads and the faggy hipster numale business types about this. Hush hush.

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a088e5 No.1802

>>1798

>While I'm here, a lot of people out there could use a place to bury some bodies I'm sure.

This anon was being sarcastic, but depending on how close you are to civilization, making a literal graveyard out of the place might be an interesting idea. You probably have enough room for 1000+ graves, and if your plot of land is beautiful, peaceful, and near a major road, you might be able to make good money without a whole lot of work required.

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b4ad23 No.1810

>>1778

You drill a hole in a maple tree and get sap. You the take the sap and boil it down which turns it into syrup. Maple syrup is fucking delicious and can be sold for a decent amount only issue is the yield is really bad 5 liters will yield 1 liter.

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f3a211 No.1814

Depending on where you live, your property taxes may exceed the numbers you mentioned..

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985421 No.1818

File: a8d99e1d3f0c794⋯.jpg (189.15 KB,1024x666,512:333,Maple Syrup.jpg)

Hope this helps. I didn't mean to derail the thread into maple syrup by the way.

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974ab4 No.1825

>>1810

If you dont have native sugar maples in your area there is no way you are gonna get any returns for 1/2 a century or more. Not to mention that the syryp racket is jewed up to the extreme.

>Birches also make syryp but to worst ratio of sap to syryp, but they grow about a bijillion times easiest, and its still a bad idea.

Campsite would not be terrible depending on where and what you got for land there. Farm would also not be terrible but the idea of getting something for nothing is just not going to happen.

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ec1d8e No.2630

File: ed45e5d7a6ed4dc⋯.jpg (296.75 KB,1800x1650,12:11,Mycorrhizal fungi.jpg)

>>1732

Arboriculturist here. Think I can help and give you some advice and confidence OP. Your plan is similar to mine, once I've obtained some land.

>Solid boards sells at about 250€/m^3, but I'm no farmer, I have no contacts, let's use 100€/m^3 as best case scenario, and 20€/m^3 (firewood) as worst case scenario

Firstly don't forget you'd have 8 years to make contacts while they grow. I don't know if those figures are for generic "timber" or this specific wood, but I think you could expect to sell it for near or full market value, especially if you export it to Japan.

>500 trees cost about 3750€

>I do not own tractor, so planting more than 1 ha is impossible.

Grow them from seed. Plant 2-3 seeds per tree you want and thin them out once they've germinated. Seed-grown trees are much more adapted to their environment than imported standards, therefore they grow faster (often overtaking immigrant trees within 5 years) and are less susceptible to local bad weather, diseases and pests (expect to lose 2-5% of your crop to these). Seeds are also about 1000x cheaper to do and you could plant all 20 hectares yourself by hand over a few weeks. The standard trees you would otherwise buy are probably no more than 1-2 years old at most, these things grow at 7 feet per year.

>calculation price of tech and fuel

I don't think you would need any tech or fuel before actually cropping them, aside from deer fencing. Your young trees will be a magnet for rabbits and deer, you need to fence them out and shoot the ones that will inevitably get through. DO NOT use chemical fertilisers or fungicide/pesticides. You will kill your mycorrhizzal fungi network and soil food web.

On that note, other advice I can give you:

>Mix planting, cultivate healthy soil food web

I would make maybe 30% of the tree crop mixed fruit trees/berry bushes spread evenly throughout the land, and also including a shelter belt of oaks, ash, hawthorn and beech on the north/eastern side will be worth it to increase your biodiversity significantly and filter cold winds. Your biggest problem will be Pawlounia-liking predatory fungus and pests, but having a few different species in the mix will help reduce their chances of dominance. Pawlounia are N-fixing, so you will have insanely huge fruit crops which you could just use yourself or collect and sell to cider brewers/local farm shops.

>Invest in the soil fertility

I can't stress this enough, do not use chemicals. They kill mycorrhizal fungi and soil bacteria. Mycorrhizal fungi are worth researching if you haven't heard of them (I recommend "Teaming with Microbes", Lowenfels and Lewis), but basically they are symbiotic fungi that increase the effective rooting area of a tree by 900-1000x (pic related). You can buy spores and sprinkle them in seed planting holes throughout the plantation; in a short time after germination they will link and "infect" every tree, making the entire area one symbiotic web and stopping the predatory ones from getting a foothold. Soil bacteria are the actual agents of nutrient uptake by roots. It's probably the biggest mistake farmers make nowadays; the more chemicals you put on your land, the more you kill it, the more chemicals you need to artificially sustain the life that you want to grow. It's a vicious and expensive cycle. Artificial fertilizer is abhorrently inefficient; more than 90% of it misses the rootzone entirely and leaches straight down to the water table. I would invest in some mushroom compost to begin with just to kickstart your soil food web and get some earthworms working away in there. After that you might not need to even fertilize again (fungi can transport trees nutrients from within a radius of 40 miles) but if you do, do it with organic compost like manure or mushroom.

Good luck, let me know how it goes, if you do it/don't do it and why. I will be doing pretty much this when I have my own land.

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68899a No.2777

>>2630

>like manure

most manure has persistent pesticides in it that that they spray on grass crops which kills leafy plants

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