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3db676 No.1174

Leave won. Stocks plunged today.

Thoughts?

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3db676 No.1175

Isn't this the greece story all over again?

Britain could survive outside the EU easy, although the EU/euro needs them and I can't imagine the Euro being abandoned.

They'll probably do some weird shit and stay, who knows.

Frankly all this Brexit nonsense I think is a distraction to keep people from paying attention to the fact markets are already highly valued and set to plunge regardless what happens.

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3db676 No.1176

>>1175

I bought some VGK counting on a rebound.

Britain will get along just fine without the EU, but there will be market volatility.

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3db676 No.1177

>>1176

There was going to be market volatility already, with or without Brexit

I even hate using the word. It's totally stupid. Markets everywhere are highly valued and central bank policies are only loading more and more stress upon the integrity of their fiat currencies. THAT is the problem, not fucking Brexit.

If Brexit were a legit thing we would have been hearing about it years ago. Fact is common people don't change anything unless they pick up guns and riot. Peaceful voting doesn't change anything, business incentives do.

Stop paying attention to this obvious propaganda and start paying attention to the also obvious weakness to central banks which will NEVER be televised.

Fucking goyim.

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3db676 No.1178

>>1177

Lay off the Alex Jones. You keep stressing yourself over doomsday scenarios that are not going to happen. Brexit is a tangible thing that will change many people's lives. If you think voting doesn't matter, go live in a country that doesn't have it and see how much better off you are.

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3db676 No.1179

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>>1178

You're missing the forest for the trees you twat, Brexit was a timed event to mask market volatility ANYONE could see coming from miles away.

Keep suckling the media teat you fucking goy. Only thing that makes changes in this world is money. Public opinion is just a measure of how far oligarchs can push things before triggering riots.

Whatever, whatever, keep going long the market at new all-time-highs, it's what you were trained to do. If markets resume this fucking 45 degree upward incline I guarantee you inflation will eat away whatever gains you're making.

You're obviously not aware enough to get it though, so thanks, thanks for making the world a stupid place to live in.

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3db676 No.1180

>>1179

It's like a grenade triggering a small avalanche. The snow to make the avalanche was already there, and it might in fact be better to trigger it than to wait until it crashes by itself.

I'm not touching my investments during this shitstorm, not selling or buying. I hate speculation and market timing.

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3db676 No.1182

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>>1180

This I agree with; if the central banks were just willing to let this thing go, if they were to actually allow all the false financial rot in the system to cave in, we could start back from square one and build a better system. They just never do, and instead print & pump a ton of money into it to prop it up, like keeping a heroin addict from relapsing by shooting him up with more heroin. They refuse to relinquish their monetary reign.

Anyway, if you're able to understand the precarious nature we're in, you really should think about selling some of your stocks. Again, if banks go gangbusters and make print & pump actual policy, stocks WILL go up, but inflation will return with a real vengeance and eat away your gains. Or you hold, stocks fall from this all-time-high, and you lose money that way.

If a majority of your wealth is tied up in frivolous paper assets, you really should think about selling. Put %5-10 of your wealth in physical, hold-in-your-hand gold and you literally cannot fuck up. Cash is also good, I'd rather sacrifice a potential +/- %5 for the value preservation, if banks succeed in forcing inflation I'll move back into stocks. If the market tanks, I'll be able to buy back in cheaper and not lose money. Cash is a very advantageous position right now, as is Gold.

Just think about it. If you just dollar-cost average into the market over time, at best you'll only slightly outpace inflation. You need to be an active investor if you want your savings to grow by any substantial measure.

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3db676 No.1183

>>1182

also, as far as speculation and market timing, at most you have to make a decision at least twice a year. The SPX has been hovering around 2100 for a year, there is plenty of time. You're right you shouldn't ever make hasty decisions with your money, but you don't HAVE to to be a successful investor.

SPX has broken down from 2150 to 1800 twice. Three times it's tried to pass 2150 and failed. Cash is a good idea while we're >2000, again, you're only sacrificing ~%5 of potential gain (or loss), in an environment where inflation is practically nil. It's a prudent thing to do, rather than let yourself lay prone and get fucked by your financial masters. You have the choice.

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3db676 No.1185

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>>1183

Gold seems to me more like a talisman to calm your nerves (constant, limited, beautiful gooooold) than a real asset.

Selling crashing assets to buy gold will lose you money. If the large stock indices become dead weight then your gold isn't really going to help either. That is the point where you need stashed food, hunting rifles and wood fired stoves.

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3db676 No.1186

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>>1185

Not at all, it has most to do with the attached pic.

Fed expanded m0 by %500 since 2008. 5x. All those dollars are currently sloshing around the commercial banks, the Fed would have to sell treasuries on the market to reduce the money supply but they can't because nobody sane is actually investing in treasuries at >%1.

We're stuck here. They're gonna have to print money at NO interest to inflate away current debts. That will be insanely inflationary and puts gold in a good light.

It's true that gold has no yield, and when things are functioning normally there is no real reason to hold it. The fed has been unable to seriously raise rates. The economy is still stagnant after 8 years of QE. Fact is, the money-model we have is broken and the only way out of this situation is debt-free money printing to fill in the hole. Once they start doing that, all hard assets will scream, and Gold will lead the pack.

You would be right, if things weren't so fucked up at this present moment in history. Gold is just a no-nonsense asset that is immune to insane monetary policy. That's what makes it so attractive now.

People going long the market from now till the next few years are going to lose a TON of purchasing power. This is not the time to chase yield.

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3db676 No.1187

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>>1186

Ok, that is a fair argument for gold instead of cash/bonds.

Help me understand this though. Other than true hyperinflation, which just fucks the economy senseless for a few years when it happens, I see stocks as a hedge against inflation. Historically stocks have been very strong during times of inflation, partially because stocks and dividend sizes climb in pace with inflation.

The only exception to this is the dreaded "stagflation" such as what the UK had in the 70s. Keynes did not understand that inflation could outpace economic growth.

Basically, do you see that the risks for hyperinflation and/or stagflation are so high that assets traditionally doing well in inflation will be destroyed?

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3db676 No.1188

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>>1187

>Basically, do you see that the risks for hyperinflation and/or stagflation are so high that assets traditionally doing well in inflation will be destroyed?

Though I'm no expert and don't have a direct role in the forces behind the economy, yes, that is the sense I'm gathering in my research. I actually think we're undergoing some mild stagflation currently; the economy today is actually in a depression. Look at the attached chart, that is money velocity as reported by the Fed themselves, second chart shows it back to the great depression. Money velocity is basically how often money changes hands, when nobody is trading/interacting with each other there is effectively no economy.

Money velocity is the lowest it's been since the great depression. For all intents and purposes yeah, we are living in a depression, AND the central banks are undergoing the most aggressive easing policies the world has seen, ever. I'm not trying to be sensational here but this is very much a paradigm-shift kind of moment, central banks have printed more money than God himself could, and the chart I posted here >>1186

is enough evidence to show it's pumping up asset prices (via super low-interest loans to corporations who buy back their own stock/keep the market from crashing). However, consider money velocity is at depression-levels, you can infer that 1) it is not leading to real economic growth and 2) financial assets are overpriced relative to business operations/actual sales.

As Rickard's explains it, we're on the knife-edge of inflationary (yet obviously unsustainable) money-printing, or "stimulus" pressures from central banks, and deflationary hoarding of wealth as the largest investors on the planet call the cb's bluff and sell their stocks at record valuations and hoard cash/cease investing because the economy is so inundated with debt there's no real yield TO invest. The fed are stuck in an impossible situation; their moneyprinting, "stimulative" efforts are just loading up on more debt that is obviously impossible to repay, which doesn't stimulate the economy at all, it suffocates us further.

Historically it was always believable that these debts, ya know, could be repaid if we just tried a little harder (you never have to repay the debt, just make people believe you can/roll it over); well now they're trying harder than they ever have, debt has skyrocketed, and they still can't raise rates after 8 years because doing so would crush what little actual growth has occurred. This has been a bubble 30+ years in the making, just every time it started to pop some major financial firm would fail and take the hit. However, now that the Fed blew up their balance sheet (aka the $USD) to paper over the 08 margin cascade, the way of doing things that has been the norm for the past century honestly just does not work anymore. The only way out for central banks, is to print & loan money at NO interest, and use it to bridge the debt from all their money printing that was loaned at interest. This is called helicopter money, or 'financing the debt', and it will be the signal to everyone that currency itself, the underpinning of all financial assets, is no longer a real store of value and other assets are more appropriate to hold. All that deflationary hoarding will then fly out into the economy, leading to a few years of hyperinflation, and then we'll be back on track, with all this debt-crisis nonsense hopefully behind us.

SO… Now that you understand all that, realize that we are in a very tight situation, where central banks are trying to force inflation, and big money is hoarding capital because they know the system/asset prices can't grow any further because of the now-obvious unsustainable debt issue. Once the Fed starts printing money at no interest the ruse that the dollar has any integrity will be lost, capital will leave fiat into more trustworthy stocks/bonds/whatever, and we'll go from stagnant growth/depressionary/low yield environment to an inflationary one. That paradigm shift will put gold in a totally different light, and it will scream, much more so than already super-high priced assets.

That's why it's better to take a conservative, low risk, low yield position now as the market keeps selling off at these all time highs. As soon as you see central banks printing money or directly funding gov't spending you ditch cash and buy anything and everything you can.

You just can't go wrong with gold at it's current price, and given the current environment. %10 in gold is enough to shelter your wealth from any kind of market panics. Over the long run sure, an S&P ETF will keep up with inflation, but for now it's better to assume as little risk as possible until a clear path forward is determined.

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3db676 No.1189

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>>1188

Kinda long-winded post, and again I'm no expert and this is a prediction to some degree, but the data behind it is overwhelming. Lemme know if anything here didn't make sense and maybe I'll have to learn some more about it.

Also, most my perspective was formed through listening to this man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xDSgOMifo8

Download his lectures and listen to them until you understand what he's saying. Took me about a year.

Other good material:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYzjM-ATyU&feature=youtu.be&t=277

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBXjlNNNFus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pZzrdpHMZs

also, posting some more of my doom porn, enjoy.

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3db676 No.1190

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>>1188

To tl;dr the problem, the dollar itself is losing credibility, meaning the credibility of all asset prices is in question as well. We're going from the obsolete policies of the past century to a brave new world of interest-free money (and it will be good).

That loss of confidence in currency-integrity will make hard assets more attractive stores of value than fiat itself, and the shift will cause a lot of panic-selling in the market and a rush to hard assets. Stock markets will regain their values eventually, but as they go up, so will prices of almost everything else, so the gains you get going long the stock market at current prices will be eating away by rises in the cost of living. Allocating %10 of your wealth in gold will frontrun this paradigm shift and preserve your purchasing power in a very confusing, highly inflationary environment.

Now is the time for prudence, not chasing yield into an uncertain future.

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3db676 No.1191

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>>1190

I must thank you for the tremendous amount of information you just provided, will watch/read your links!

I think I might just invest in land instead, i.e. buy or lease land and develop it so it becomes productive. Since I personally have interest in growing my own food, planting grafted walnut trees, apple etc starts looking like a good investment.

From your posts I'm not certain if you buy physical gold or some kind of gold certificates (didn't end well in 2008).

I'm also thankfully not in the US, but I do have some exposure to US stocks in my portfolio.

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3db676 No.1192

>>1191

My pleasure, the more I talk about it the better I understand it. You can't really trust the media to give you the truth, because if people understood this system they'd revolt. Central bankers are doing this in order to unify the world under a global banking system, which does make sense in the context of international trade (they're also getting filthy rich from it so ya know). It's really about building a framework for international trade by subverting individual economies, people wouldn't really do that voluntarily cuz of silly goyim notions like ethnic pride and whatnot. But still, it's pretty shitty for those who aren't part of that inner echelon to deal with, the mainsteam media brainwashing everyone is just insult to injury really. They're so afraid of being called out they do some pretty awful and irrational things. It's really a culture dominated by fear. I've grown to pity them.

My husbando Rickards vouches for land as well, I'm not sure how far into this deflationary epic we're in but yeah, assuming you have an appropriate location, the value of the land goes down but so does the cost of development. Even if you're losing money on the land, if you plan to develop on it you can do so cheaply and then really make out when inflation returns. Compare what you want to build on it with current prices for similar structures in the area, to get an idea if it's worth doing or not. Honestly your plan doesn't sound too hot to me, just going off the top of my head cultivating land for food is done outside urban areas, since urban areas come with ridiculous zoning restrictions and the like, and it's property in urban areas that will gain most of the appreciation in inflation, especially if you built on it for cheap during deflation. You'd be better off being more traditional about it, which is boring I know, but yeah, it's your money, do what you think is best with it.

Also, buy physical gold. Don't get gold contracts, there's a clause in most those contracts that allows them to close you out of it and give you the previous days closing price. If gold does go through a repricing event, most everyone holding paper gold is going to get closed out and won't get the price appreciation. Gold didn't do stellar in 08 because the crisis was about dollar liquidity; people were getting margin called left and right and had to sell literally everything to satisfy their brokers/avoid bankruptcy. Since the Fed injected the banks with $5,000,000,000,000 of capital there won't be a 'dollar crunch' although I imagine some margin cascading will happen to some degree. I honestly can't see the markets tanking as they have in 08 but who knows, I think ~1500 is a fair lower range on the sp500.

Again this is all prediction, it's my best guess. Nobody can really predict what will happen in the future. Gold's just the most stupid-simple thing one can do to prepare in advance for this upcoming paradigm shift in monetary policy. Also consider the central banks are heavily suppressing the price of gold so government's can load up on it to keep themselves from going totally insolvent, as well as keeping competition away from the dollar until they're ready to let it go. So there's some pretty hefty upside waiting to be had on it.

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3db676 No.1193

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>>1192

I'm in a sparsely populated country in Northern Europe. The property I'm eyeballing is in a suburb outside the city I currently live in, but it's huge. The plan is to build a house for me for cheap, as well as adding the aforementioned production. Housing costs are silly due to excessive government regulations, nothing gets built anywhere near the city centers. The trees are just for me, I don't plan on selling it commercially. Not like anyone is selling or buying tasty black walnuts here (one more reason for me to plant them).

I don't have the level of money needed to build my own Empire State building on a desirable property. Even if I did the average time for a building permit is 7 years in the urban areas.

I will review possibilities of buying physical gold.

I'm trying to wrap my head around what the current and projected monetary policies of the US/IMF will do for non-dollar currencies. Intuitively I feel that I want to stay away from the dollar, and only invest in local businesses in local, non-euro currency.

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3db676 No.1194

>>1193

So long as you can build a new house cheaper than what one would already cost (and assuming prices aren't in a bubble), it's a no brainer.

I live in the US so all I have to worry about is when the dollar loses authority, it'll be gaining appreciation steadily until then. I'd expect other fiat to slowly depreciate against it, but it really depends where you live and how desirable the currency is. Cash is king in a low-yeild, overvalued world. And gold is pretty universal so no matter where you are you'll be getting the same price appreciation. If you wanna get really ballsy, buy some bitcoin/altcoins, borderless pennystocks ftw. Good luck with your stuff bro.

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3db676 No.1273

>>1174

They have recovered by now.

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e66542 No.2548

stocks lmao

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