No.8698
Why aren't there self reliant asatru villages? If the Amish can do it so can we, plus we have weapons and mustaches.
No.8704
>Why aren't there self reliant asatru villages?
Lack of women, I'd imagine. If I was already married to an asatress I'd be down as fuck for living in one.
We do need to congregate, start a micro-society and have amish level of children raised in the old ways if we're going to get anywhere though. Not just for asatru but for our race(s) in general.
I would even be quite fine being a breeding working-under-class (a la republican catholics in norn iron, or mormons in the US) with multi-generational aims. It wouldn't come to fruition in my or even my grandchildren's lives but it would once again mean a pagan europe, eventually. We'd just have to make sure even amongst the successful and well-off that the impetus for breeding is always upheld and venerated. If anything those with the physical means for supplying more children have that much more of a mandate to do so.
But I digress: The long and short of it are that women turn a house into a home and warband or hunting party into a society… and we seem to have none.
No.8706
>>8705
>I also notice we have few men
Factual. Even amongst pagans those of us who are "right-thinking" (though wouldn't we believe ourselves so?) in terms of eurocentric non-universal religion-of-the-blood leanings are a secondary minority.
>and even fewer children.
Related to my post. I'd engage in mitosis if I could, but…
Either way, I'd point to the mormon phenomenon in the US. For a while it was joseph smith, his friends and a few wagons being driven out of everywhere they settled. Cast out even by people of their own general faith for being an extreme sub-sect. But now. possibly within our lifetimes, they'll be the dominant denomination/religion in the US. If not our lifetimes then eventually at the pace things are going. All because they didn't lose sight of what it is that makes a group grow and overtake others. We need to get pro-natal as FUCK.
No.8712
>>8706
Then start thinking of ways to make your religion more attractive to your women.
No.8713
>>8712
>your women
Well, the fact we don't seem to have (m)any is the issue itself. Obviously the way you attract women to anything is to have high-value men waiting for them there. It's the reason I forsee overcoming the wiccasatru camp since they're mostly beergut dethmetal LARPers of the cringe variety…. Assuming people here are actually getting /fit/ and are as well read as they seem it should be a cakewalk.
Build up the men as high as can be attained and the women will follow. Considering our competition are millennial nu-males we have this thing in the bag as long as we're actually putting action behind words here.
Though I have a nagging fear that people around here aren't…
No.8745
because the Amish actually believe in their religion, you're just pretending on an anonymous image board. if you did believe in your religion, then we would see pagan communities, or any kind of dedication to that religion, but we dont
No.8746
>>8745
a) There are already Pagan communities.
b) Most of us do actually believe in Asatru/Rodnovery
No.8747
Ive actually been interested in this idea for a while. I have been to Alaska before and I think this is our true new homeland. Not many people, relatively conservative, guns are easily available, lots of remote woodlands, and the terrain is very similar to our homeland in Germania and Scandinavia. And Mexicans and Africans hate it up there.
No.8748
>>8747
Well is there a way to found a town and only allow white asatruar without the government fucking us?
No.8749
>>8748
Im sure theres a way, alot of fundamentalist christian groups move up there for the same reason. they wont be as big a problem as the snowniggers, but they dont usually bother anyone unless someone bothers them.
and we should stay the fuck away from fairbanks, thats where the main military bases all are. also one of the more diverse areas
No.8750
>>8698
I was thinking about this too. First, we should weed out the larpers and only except fit or not fat or weak men. The men should have wives or girlfriends. Then, we go to an inhospitable place in alaska, buy a few acres, and build a little village. Government won't bother us, undesirables won't bother us, and we will live freely.
No.8757
>>8746
>b) Most of us do actually believe in Asatru/Rodnovery
ok sure, lol. tell thor I said hi next time you dance around your penis pole with him ok?
No.8764
>>8757
do you christians actually have anything to say other than insults?
the only one dancing around a penis pole is your 5 year old son dancing around father jeb
No.8768
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>>8749
I assume north west of central Alaska would be the ideal location, not many major cities, not many natives, and plenty of bogs. Western Yukon-Koyukuk
looks good.
No.8769
>>8745
Sadly I feel like this anon is right. I don't know of a single person on this board who actually has started a family and moved away from the city. I know I haven't. Reddit's side of asatru is mocked by everyone, and our side is just seen as a bunch of weird neckbeards who shitpost on the internet and call that a religion. If we ever want to be seen as something more we NEED to improve ourselves so as to be attractive to good women and we NEED our own communities (no, a bunch of larpers or Sunday school with a norse twist doesn't count as a community)
No.8771
>>8768
I was thinking that the Appalachian Mountains would be an ideal spot for Asatruars living on the East Coast of the United States
No.8772
>>8771
Why not the blue Ridge mountains? A lot more secluded.
No.8773
>>8768
Ive been in a few parts of that area and its nice, lots of riverland, bogs and forests, as well as mountains.
Denali is also very nice and its remote nearby, but lots of tourism and industry, so I dont recommend we establish anything there.
Very far north Alaska is extremely remote but its hard living there. Living in Fairbanks was hard enough and there was a city there. Above about North Star you start seeing polar bears.
>>8771
We could have several colonies across the states that work together, and Appalachian mountains might be a good area. but we do not want to spread apart too far, we should agree on about 1-2 locations per coast, and maybe a few in central US
No.8774
>>8769
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight…. because people are just chompin at the bit to divulge their personal information on an anonymous image board.
No.8777
>>8774
Who the fuck said anything about personal information you double nigger? "Yeah guys I have a volkisch family" is not personal information
No.8778
>>8777
He has a point though, we should make sure were talking to reliable people when forming these groups
No.8779
>>8777
My point is a response to this sentence:
> I don't know of a single person on this board who actually has started a family and moved away from the city.
You assume no one on the board has achieved this based on no one freely sharing such information, and no one really being directly asked that, via a thread or post, to my knowledge. Also, how do you "know" people on this board?
Maybe you're right, or maybe there is a general reluctance to share such information.
Let's put this to the test:
Does anyone want to come forward and state whether or not they have a family?
I'll start: I don't have a wife and kids, yet; I'm currently working on becoming a professional in my career field before starting a family.
Read those last two sentences again. Typing that out made me uncomfortable, and reading over them again myself, I come across as some creepy CIA/FBI/JIDF shill fishing for info.
Do you understand what I mean now?
No.8780
Let me touch on some points ITT
>We need a community!
Yes! More than anything it's time to get serious about this.
>No weaklings allowed
Agreed.
>How about somewhere in the rural United People's Republic of America?
No! Unless you want your families burned in Waco 2: Flammable Boogaloo for not baking a faggot tourist a cake within the heart of the ZOG that's a terrible idea. Our homeland is about to flip soon anyway and we need to be there both for the fighting and to secure a place for our beliefs in the new nations that will rise out of the ashes. Nothing about United South Africa (aka: the heart of the jewish hive, aka: goodest goyland) is going to end well, nothing about Europe can afford to go anything but well. We should fight and die for Othala in the darkest hours. You could very well miss ragnarok hiding in the new world.
History should contain the record of the Pagans who fought, killed and died for Europa. Letting the christians take credit in the history of the upcoming events will be so damning we might as well pack our things and march into the dusk of time. More "le we saved le europe even though we le didn't and were probably most of le problem" is not what we need. I'm not going to accept a wholesale christian resurgence without us even if I am willing to work with european christians and view them as ideologically confused brothers.
But the final point is the homeland needs fighting men and a new war(when necessary)-positive culture and we are exactly that. We preach of blood, duty, obligation, tradition and heritage. Europe is THE only place we need to be focusing on. Even at that, buggering off to some rural island of alaska/norway is a death sentence for us as a popular movement. It should be a rural village relatively speaking but it should be something people wishing to join our way of life can drive to and it should be in somewhat contact with the outside world to affect change in the nation. The desolate wastes of the world might be "metal as fuck" but for any popular social movement it is a monumentally bad idea. We may even want to consider an urban pagan community.
>No single men allowed!
That seems counterproductive. We need the labor and the critical mass of population If we make the news or can get online for being successful or noteworthy as a village and it mentions we have these strapping young lads then ideologically charged women will come to us anyway. The chances of fighting somebody in the cities and on the universities like us is night impossible. Build it with strong and handsome men of skill and the women will fall other their fathers to come has been as true of Rome and Iceland/Greenland as it will be for us.
What we need more than anything is an honest to goodness loremaster and priest to make sure we're all doing it right. A studied moral authority.
>Le honeypot maymay
Yesss, good goy… Continue to do nothing as the ZOG goes marching on. You wouldn't want to risk anything would you? Be like the other cowardly millennial we trained, nyehehehe.
Besides, we're talking about a village of people living peacefully with certain religious practices, not a putsch or underground paramilititary front. (Though you shouldn't be too afraid of organising those things either. We're approaching the fighting times and even Hitler went to prison).
No.8782
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>>8779
>Does anyone want to come forward and state whether or not they have a family?
I have a traditional Bavarian wife, and we don't use contraception so we'll have as many children as nature allows (thus far we have three little ones). We plan on moving to someplace more rural next year, I work from home anyway which makes it easier
We're Catholic though :^)
No.8783
>>8780
So, perhaps we all go to somewhere in Europe (preferably the east) And create a guild-like organization to recruit pagan warriors similar to the wolves of Vinland?
>>8779
Yes I see, I apologize for unwarranted hostility
>>8782
Well you better raise your children with European values (strength, courage, honor) and not the Jewish ones Christianity preaches (destroy your family goy, give us all your money goy, be a weakling pussy goy, after all we're all children of the lord hehehe)
No.8784
>>8780
you actually make some good points, but what does this mean, we should just abandon the new world to the shitskins and niggers?
do you know what our ancestors went through to win this continent?
No.8785
>>8780
> Nothing about United South Africa (aka: the heart of the jewish hive, aka: goodest goyland) is going to end well, nothing about Europe can afford to go anything but well.
Elaborate on this. Why shouldn't Americans fight for America, and Europeans for Europe? (and while we're at it, Australians for Australia.)
No.8786
>>8785
becausew we're Europeans
No.8787
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>>8786
America is our country too. We should defend it from the dindus and pacos in the same way Europeans defend their country from the hajis.
No.8791
>>8783
>So, perhaps we all go to somewhere in Europe (preferably the east And create a guild-like organization
Something like that. It needs to be somewhere not impossibly remote because like I said, we need to be close to the pulse of europe to have any chance of shaping the future of it. Either pick a middling village and expand it or consider a semi-urban community on the outskirts of a city that is near forests and such for our rites. Southern Germany fits the bill, especially for asatru. But I'm not married to any one location other than the continent itself.
>to recruit pagan warriors similar to the wolves of Vinland?
Either recruit them, or forge them. Give the disenfranchised young men of the cucked societies of the west a strong horse to choose and then train them to become strong horses themselves. I see a lot of threads in the catalog about "muh PR" but the fact is we can be unwavering in our volkish paganism. In fact, the more true to ourselves we are the more of a contrast we are to the modern sickness for those who are exhausted of it. Everybody is tired of the weak, the compromising, the "progressing", the changing for the worse and the suicidal.
>>8784
>you actually make some good points, but what does this mean, we should just abandon the new world to the shitskins and niggers?
>do you know what our ancestors went through to win this continent?
I'm from a pioneer family who has faced massacre, kidnapping and rape by the proto-pacos. I'm more than well aware of the cost of this land. That all said, do you defend a colony or the homeland/homeworld? Our Othala absolutely cannot fall.
Absolutely
Cannot
Also, it is a strong statement of our faith that we stood strong against the invader when vatican 3.0 was busy shuttling them in. When the progressive and tolerant church of sweden was housing them. We cannot think just of ourselves or what is easy or convenient for us, people thinking of themselves is what created this mess in the first place. We must think of the future and what we need to sacrifice to secure it. What makes the best future for all.
Our (grand)parents chose to use up the selfishness of 4-5 generations and that is just the world we live in.
>>8785
>Elaborate on this. Why shouldn't Americans fight for America, and Europeans for Europe? (and while we're at it, Australians for Australia.)
Well, firstly as I pointed out, it's the center of the ZOG hive. The most totalitarian cultural marxism is to be found here. Bake the fucking cake, you bigot.
Daily american media companies are churning out filth for american university zogbots. Why would the epicenter of the earthquake be the safest place? It is america occupying europe and churning out degeneracy straight out of jewlywood. Not the other way around. When attacking a problem you start at the fringes and force it into containment.
Plus, being crushed violently is much less unheard of here in the states. How many times have the feds stormed onto some unkosher micro-societies' compound killing as many as they could and cleaning up the PR later through the MSM? Waco, Ruby Ridge, Polygamist Mormons and so on.
I'm not saying every european person should pack their bags, but I think a pagan community based on blood and tradition outside of its homeland rings hollow (especially when that homeland is facing the greatest existential threat of all time) while conversing a pagan community based on blood and tradition inside its homeland fighting to the bitter end or until glorious victory rings with a genuine and meaningful beauty.
There's a bunch of separate and inter-related reasons. It's not just any one reason.
No.8792
>>8791
I just hope the fire takes at least 3 years to rise because I am currently not able to go to Europe, but I swear if nothing gets better I will
No.8793
I apologize if this shit of a phone has mangled some words. I've noticed it has but it's thanksgiving and all so I don't really have any other posting options.
>>8791
PS: Also there's the fact for as much shitskin immigration as is being pushed there I cannot find a european country with worse demography than today's US. Only localized locations like london or mälmo have minority european populations while the US as a whole is minority white below 25 or somesuch. No colonial nation that tips below the threshold ever makes it back. Hence that "United South Africa" remark.
>>8792
I know that feel to a degree. I've been getting fit every second my muscles aren't burning in pain, studying "tactics" and working my ass off for money (even donating blood/plasma). My greatest weakness is that I don't know the language yet. If we could decide on a nation we could all start. If no /asatru/ community crops up I'm probably going to end up in the environs surrounding Munich. It seems more prudent to be able to (lead a) fight and not be a burden than to speak the language as the (unfortunate) truth is most europeans already speak english anyway.
I still can't shake the feeling something could break out any second, the borders would get closed and I'll be too late. I really need to find somebody from deutsch/pol/ or something who wants a friend/worker… If a türkling can get into the country on welfare I see no reason I can't work my ass off to earn my residency with money before I earn it with blood.
No.8794
why not ireland? we should start a clan in connemara of which one of the tenets is being pagan.
we'd have to learn irish and follow gaelic paganism though.
No.8798
>>8974
If you can find enough anti-wiccan pagans then you're set
>>8973
I admire your devotion and I believe it's about time for me to follow in those footsteps. The fact that I'm still underageb& inhibits my ability to acquire money but starting tomorrow I will begin physical training. Wodan mit uns
No.8799
>>8793
I have also thought of Munich. I would prefer to return to my ancestral lands of Swabia and Saxony, but any part of Europe or Germany would be good for a community.
>>8794
most Americans are part Irish but we are an ASATRU community, that means we primarily work with the Germanic religion. if by "follow gaelic paganism", you mean replace it with our current gods, then no. but if you mean melding the two faiths, at least temporarily while we are in ireland, then that is more agreeable (the fucking roman troops started praying to celtic goddesses the second they colonized the area because they wanted the favor of local gods, dont give me any of that EWWW YOURE AN ECLECTIC WICCAN bullshit, eclecticism is stupid but the pagan religions were not barred from melding.
maybe we could start a "base" somewhere in ireland to get more people through to europe, with a greater long term goal of establishing communities in england, france, germany and onwards
>>8798
I too feel inspired and wish to form an actual community
No.8801
>>8799
The thing about Munich is that you have this large city in the middle of otherwise rural forest and farmland. You can live on the outskirts and have access to forest while still having access to the hearts and minds of a major population center. The south in general is the paganus of germany. It's generally conservative christians, however. But there's really not an alternative on location that is rural. Anybody who wants to join can easily get themselves to Munich by bus or train.
Also Bavaria/Hesse/Baden is where my family left for then-mexico
The only possible downside is that I'm pretty sure Germany is 148.8% against homeschooling. A toxic combination considering the state of their schooling. Though I'm pretty sure we could meme it in because "omg who are you to take the education rights of the immigrants you racist nadsi bastids ;___;". At the very least sending them to school with the muslim bullies would be a redpilling experience assuming they survive to make it home… Though I sweat the thought of sending my children to any jewish programming institution regardless of where in the world it is.
>most Americans are part Irish but we are an ASATRU community
We're really the only volkisch pagan community on the site at least. Lots of celts are kicking around for that reason. Their only alternative is wicca.
>>8794
The bulk of us simply aren't that Irish/Celtic… Not that it's not important to have a counter to wicca and its postmodern bullshit but we're practicing a religion of the blood here.
>>8798
Just don't stop, the one thing that stops guys from getting fit is inconsistency. If you stick with it just three months of every other day you'll start to notice yourself swelling up and getting firm. Just stick with it on some faith until the results motivate you. When it comes time to run at a muzzie invader, break their neck and run for your life you'll appreciate the fitness. Yurop doesn't have guns which makes being an impressive specimen even more important.Even if we theoretically smuggled some in we wouldn't use them in any theoretical street brawls anyway. Only for some theoretical putsch theoretically.
/fit/ is obviously a good place to start but /pdfs/ and /tdt/ are good too (for all kinds of info).
Also I'm pretty sure an older minor can donate plasma or blood (at least with a permission note). I pull about 150-200 a week doing both depending on promotions and drives. That's respectable especially if you have no living expenses.
No.8805
>>8801
The reason I haven't donated blood is the same reason I haven't got one of those meme haplogroup tests; I don't want to government to have my DNA but if I'm going to be risking my life daily it can't be that bad I guess.
No.8806
>>8805
>I don't want to government to have my DNA
That's why I don't donate semen despite being an übermensch amongst pacos who would gladly pay top dollar. But with blood they tend to just bag it up, I somehow doubt you've shitposted your way onto some secret most-wanted list for them to ship it off to area 51.
>but if I'm going to be risking my life daily it can't be that bad I guess.
The way I view it is I'd rather have the supplies I buy with than a 100.000% assurance my genes are soopr sekrit. By the time I get (in)famous they'll probably have used up all my blood material anyway since they can barely keep it in stock in the first place.
But yeah, don't do semen. They'll give you hundreds of dollars assuming you're white and healthy but that stuff can linger for decades and anybody they use it to create is a walking DNA reference within their clutches.
Even at all of that, what would they do with my genes? Clone "Heinrich Himmler 3: Odinist Boogaloo 2: Finish the Fight"? That seems an impossibly unwise course of action for "them".
No.8809
>>8806
Pretty convincing, I'll look into it. I'll also be getting a normy job in the summer
No.8816
I guess at this point we already know we're all really motivated for such a project. So to pick a place to establish at we need to decide what is important to us. I'll bandy around some points while I wait for my flight.
>What by blood are we all, mostly?
Starting with the most important. Might have a poal.me (less prone to ballot stuffing) poll on what exactly we all are by heritage. Fighting for homeland is a bit silly when you knowingly go to another homeland. Ethnically speaking you're not much different from "refugees" if you've got a bunch of germanic pagans in an irish christian village for instance. You can cite a loose blood relation going back thousands of years, but still… You can cite a loose blood relation going back even more thousands of years to all of mankind because we're all one race, the african race. :^^)))))
The probability approaches 1 that we'll be ideological/cultural outsiders so we should at least be ethnic insiders.
>Homeschooling allowed?
Raising children away from the machine and immersed in paganism is important. Like I said earlier in the thread we need to become supremely pro-natal and teach our kids our volkisch ways instead of watering down the message for "muh PR, muh patreon donations, muh bahar". In studying the growth of religions I think the mormon model of doubling down on your core beliefs and simply breeding up your followers instead of compromising and letting who'll join because they share your unwavering beliefs*, join, is most ideal.
* Or see your system is healthier and will simply acquiesce to your morēs to get away from what they can feel is simply worse for themselves or their children relative to your beliefs. A lot of people who join LDS these days aren't all about the space pajamas or colonial marine YHWH but really just want to get away from pozzedestant cuckstianity and see that Mormon cities are unapologetically lawful, clean, white and moral.
>Is there a rural population center?
To properly practice our ways and to teach our ways to our young access to nature is important. To grow our beliefs and shape the future we need to be somewhere that people live who can see our example (fitness, happiness with our wives/husbands/children, etc.). At the bare minimum it needs to be (near) somewhere integrated with the nations public transportation network so people who see our eventual blog/youtube channel/etc. and are motivated that what they see is what they need in their lives can pack their things and book a one-way trip. There must be growth potential if this isn't going to be the parallel to innawoods defeatism-by-withdrawl. Also, a lot of us are simply going to be single on arrival… We'll work the newcomers into high value males and if they have access to a pool of local women through said population center (or who see said single high value males via the inernet and want them some of that so they book a bus) that makes the pro-natal thing that much easier.
Plus the raw numbers are the more women you pull in and convert (lets be honest that women by great generality just go with the flow of the visibly strong or growing as a survival adaptation to being frequently captured or being whatever they need to for a quality provider) is that many less christian/fedora/church of marx(pbuh) mothers raising children in those ways. You do double-duty by growing yours whole simultaneously shrinking theirs in a single motion.
>Do a number of us already live somewhere acceptable?
If we already have people established in a country, who have citizenship and who can employ for work visas then that gets us a lot closer right there. They don't need to own a company, even, they just need to start one out of their home, have some more of us live there and then we'll all pool our efforts to make it a profitable enterprise at least equal to our rent and food needs. All it really asks is that one of us does paperwork and doesn't mind a few people living in a spare room. If questioned on it we can cite that "One of our employees suggested his friends joint and we just find pagans are more driven and edge out the competition. Nothing intentional here :^)", though I doubt the business will ever get large enough that it is subject to quotas or any national laws on equal employment opportunity.
>>8809
There's plenty of holiday employment as well. The more money you have to float on the better your chances of finding a job(==residency visa==citizenship) wherever you're going. Ideally you'd find somebody here who is part of a community (not necessarily a pagan one, just involved in their town/city/neighborhood) who can put in a good word for you and help you network your way in.
No.8817
>>8816
OP here, go ahead and make the poll. I'm mixed European but phenotypically I look pretty Germanic with Mediterranean influences. Do any of us even live in Germany? We need contacts there. I don't think we have to worry about children first and foremost, but it will be important in time.
No.8820
>go ahead and make the poll
http://poal.me/qeiaod
NOTE: This poll allows multiple votes per user. In the case of an even split vote each that applies otherwise please just pick one in the case of a 60+% majority.
>>8817
>I don't think we have to worry about children first and foremost
I couldn't disagree more. The most profound thing a mentor of mine did for me was to teach me Weiqi and play with me. In short the game is basically the mental abstraction of war and strategy… Anyway, the point is every move has long-spanning ramifications and is a tacit obligation or investment of some sort. The first moves are the most so as they set the platform through which the later moves merely react to.
Several moves have already been made by all of us before we ever met. We believe in volkisch paganism as the objective truth of our lives (we despise wicca and wiccasatru). We do not believe in compromising for political correctness or fairweather converts. Ergo adherence to natalism is our primary strategy by default because bringing people of our volk up in our ways requires no compromise and once they see the world naturally all this modern materialist insanity will be seen on its face as insanity. Could the marxists have subverted the norse? No, they'd have been summarily taken to the bog. The goal is to reset the cultural clock to a point before subversion of either that "grandmother of bolshevism" or the bolshevism itself.
With the strategy decided for us by our choices and beliefs it's time to get to the tactical level. If we pick a place that is beneficial to our short-term material interests of making a community but harmful to our generational aims or spiritual interests we'll do ourselves a disservice. We'll either have to move or suffer a damper on our overall strategy. Both of which would be crippling. Any move to another country after we all already made such a life-altering move would bleed members, motivation and wealth. Any damper in the teaching of our young or the raising of them would make the next generational step much smaller or less impactful. We should anticipate running a marathon and not a sprint… If some popular shifting towards us amongst the adult population happens as a result of our example we should have a secondary strategy built on non-natal growth but to anticipate that is unrealistic thinking.
The jew thinks in the short-term and the material. I've come to this conclusion after many personal anecdotes and from comparing experiences with other people who deal with them That is why we see such obvious blunders from a people who are otherwise such manipulative masters (compounding short term gains that incur long-term malus greater than the gains). To defeat a reactive genius you just need to be a proactive journeyman. Set up a gambit, bait a future ruinous folly that looks like a necessary move from a reactive perspective. I could digress and lecture but that's the short of it. We just need to run a good long-term game to beat these short-term hedonists and we're golden. So making the move that supports the necessary future steps now will go a long way towards that.
In a way choosing short-term personal interest over generational long-term interest is the reason our (grand/)parents got us into this mess in the first place and the reason even leftism championed by our kin is so disastrous and is going to be so easy to defeat… They were taught to think like jews!
No.8821
>>8820
If this is true then we NEED somewhere where we can home school children. Varg's example of the French countryside sounds appealing
No.8823
>>8821
>If this is true then we NEED somewhere where we can home school children.
It's looking that way, yes.
An interesting thought should we turn out to be continental germanic, then, is why not live in Germany… as stewarded by the laws of another? If you're going for generational strategy, why not get next-level-multi-facted-goals with it? :^) The fool tackles one problem at a time when the same motions can solve several.
Austria and Poland are friendly to homeschooling.
France is loosely accepting of it though it seems while de jure legal the de facto situation is the officials will harass you for trying it.
The Czech Republic is stricter in terms of laws requiring a teachers training still but allow schooling up to 15.
Another thought is that if you overpower the numbers of a local education board… could you not dictate what the local state school teaches? What is the limit of local government in these nations? To what extent is all curriculum standardized and federalized? I'll need to do research on that.
No.8827
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I've seen this happening a lot: People wanting to move together and create a community. So far I wasn't allowed to see it succeed yet. But I'd really like to see this happening,so:
If you are heading for Germany, I'd suggest Middle Germany, referred to as East-Germany by the post-German Germans. It's the centre of the new right of Germany, it's where the AfD has its strongest base and is also the origin of PEGIDA. Also it is the main to-go area for "Volkish Settlers", see the embedded video. There is a lot of space and the land is cheaper than in in the more densely populated west.
While Bavaria may be conservative, I doubt it's the type of conservative we should be looking for. If I find the time, I'll look up the rules regarding opening schools. Considering there are private owned Christian schools, that might be a possibility to look out for. I think the information regarding immigration to Germany should be plenty in English sources.
No.8829
>>8827
>that libshit narrator
No.8835
>>8827
Right now isn't the best point in time to migrate to Germany if you're planning on raising a family there. Shit will get incredibly violent real soon if the sinister zionist plans suceed, the ZOG is trying to kick off a nasty civil war in europe.
No.8836
>>8827
>I've seen this happening a lot: People wanting to move together and create a community. So far I wasn't allowed to see it succeed yet.
You've never seen a community movement that had me involved, to be fair. /Namibia/ and /Rhodesia/ were absolutely terrible ideas for so many reasons. At the bare minimum I am moving to Europe and being a pagan community of one regardless of what /asatru/ does or doesn't do.
>If you are heading for Germany, I'd suggest Middle Germany, referred to as East-Germany by the post-German Germans. It's the centre of the new right of Germany, it's where the AfD has its strongest base and is also the origin of PEGIDA. Also it is the main to-go area for "Volkish Settlers", see the embedded video. There is a lot of space and the land is cheaper than in in the more densely populated west.
Very interesting. What about the thought I had in the post above yours to settle the true eastern Germany? If we're going to be an inherently growing movement for political/religious change, what are the odds we can tack one more wargoal to the list?
>Just some bagans fleeing the obbressive german nadsis who hate freedom and burger, nodding tö dsee here's. t. /asatru/
>While Bavaria may be conservative, I doubt it's the type of conservative we should be looking for.
I theorized that it was going to be hardline catholic country. Is that what you mean?
>>8835
>Right now isn't the best point in time to migrate to Germany if you're planning on raising a family there. Shit will get incredibly violent real soon if the sinister zionist plans suceed, the ZOG is trying to kick off a nasty civil war in europe.
This is true of literally every European country right now. It's why I'll son be in Europe regardless of this thread.
FASCIST PAGAN DEATH SQUADS
No.8845
>>8836
What is the best part of Europe to raise a pagan family?
No.8856
>>8845
That's what we're trying to piece together ITT. I don't really have a solid answer for you right now.
No.8857
>>8845
>>8856
It should be somewhere ancestral to us (at least Germanic) but we need to determine the most strategic place.
Does anyone have a map of the biggest influx of Muslims? We should inhabit the small towns circling the larger cities with the most immigrants. the Germans in these areas will be the most anti-Muslim and redpilled at this point and we can find likeminded people and grow our numbers. the places where this already exists would be best, like middle germany
just my thoughts
No.8858
>>8857
Germany doesn't allow homeschooling so we can't move there yet. Everybody make a Skype and post it here I'll invite you to a group within the next few days.
No.8861
>>8858
Germany allows private schools however, funnily enough as a consequence of the time of national socialism and the "Gleichschaltung". Obviously it's hard to open one, as the different states see them as concurrence, which is quite telling.
You have tons of requirements to fulfil and those vary from state to state.
No.8862
>>8858
Wouldn't TOX be better for the short-term?
>>8861
So I guess that's an argument for middle germany? The state government would likely feel much different about it? If we open our own school that's basically homeschooling anyway.
No.8863
>>8862
It's tough to find information about it, besides the comments about how hard it is. You can't just open a school and be done with it. The school has to be approved by the state, so the "compulsory education" in fulfilled, else the parents (or children over 14) could be fined.
I'm reading stuff right now. I'll probably compile it in one big post when I can be bothered. I don't want to clutter the thread with bureaucratic babble. I'll also check out the laws in the states of Middle Germany especially.
Maybe someone else could read up on immigration stuff.
No.8864
You have a right to naturalisation if you fulfil the following conditions:
>you have an unrestricted right of residence at the time of being naturalised,
>you have passed the naturalisation test (knowledge of the legal and social system, as well as living conditions in Germany),
>your habitual, lawful place of residence has been in Germany for eight years (this period can be reduced to seven years if you attend an integration course successfully, and can be reduced to as few as six years in the case of special integration measures),
>you have independent means of securing a living (including for family members entitled to maintenance) without resorting to welfare payments and unemployment benefit II,
>you have adequate German-language skills,
>you do not have any convictions on account of a criminal offence,
>you are committed to the free democratic constitutional order of the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany, and
>you have lost or given up your former nationality (exceptions apply with regard to this point, depending on the country of origin; please contact the naturalisation authority).
>>8863
No.8865
>>8863
What about if a mother gives birth to a child at home without telling the gubberment; couldn't it be homeschooled since the gubberment wouldn't even know it exists? The child wouldn't be under the jurisdiction of the government.
No.8866
>>8865
you'll probably be arrested if they are discovered, unless perhaps the happening happens and you claim you couldn't register them
No.8867
>>8864
>your habitual, lawful place of residence has been in Germany for eight years (this period can be reduced to seven years if you attend an integration course successfully, and can be reduced to as few as six years in the case of special integration measures),
>you have independent means of securing a living (including for family members entitled to maintenance) without resorting to welfare payments and unemployment benefit II,
So there we have it, we just need to make a business and hire ourselves into it and collectively keep it afloat even if we have to take low wages and share our housing (even in the same building as the business, if we must). It will be the vehicle through which newcoming asatruars can fulfill the necessary job requirements and have a place to stay as they learn the language and get integrated.
>your habitual, lawful place of residence has been in Germany for eight years (this period can be reduced to seven years if you attend an integration course successfully, and can be reduced to as few as six years in the case of special integration measures),
>you do not have any convictions on account of a criminal offence
Well that's a bit problematic… In 8 years there likely won't be a germany or german people without some "criminal offenses" committed by certain groups. So we can't really afford to keep our heads down and something tells me the lügenrepublik will make a special point to clobber us with this (or make a special point to clobber us however they can period, as a völkisch group).
What counts as "special integration measures"?
>you are committed to the free democratic constitutional order of the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany
O függg. :DD I'm committed and loyal to a Germany. That counts, right?
No.8868
>>8867
We can just start a regular business and keep our power level hidden while training could we not?
No.8869
>>8868
Assuming circumstances don't demand violent action for 6-8 years, yes. However, there should have been violent action about 10 years ago, every day beyond that is a day into new depths of judendom.
No.8870
>>8864
>>8864
There is no german nationality at the moment. The German Reich and its authorities are nascent since the last Reich government was wrongfully imprisoned in June of 1945 by the british military.
What the "Federal Republic" is giving out is not a proof of german nationality at all. Mahler, Ittner and others wrote extensively about this in the past.
No.8876
>>8870
Perhaps, but to live there some manner of legal interfacing with the occupation government will have to take place. Even if we reject its legitimacy wholesale, to get into a position to do something about it we'd have to dance with the devil at some point. Even just redpilling on the ground could be extremely potent.
No.8877
>>8876
We need to plan ahead.
Getting to Germany and having children is first priority. As the German population declines ours will go up until in a few generations we are the dominant force. Muslims are irrelevant as long as we can defend from them, and we need to take in any Germans who want to join in our glorious future
No.8878
>>8877
>As the German population declines ours will go up until in a few generations we are the dominant force.
Well yes, that's what I've been saying. We don't even need to engage the marxist society, we can simply supplant it in the way it presumed muslims would supplant us.
>Muslims are irrelevant as long as we can defend from them
Unless we implement some sort of polygamous system and have the women to do it then I don't anticipate outbreeding them, merely as a group keeping place. Also the occupation marxists aren't stupid
>Oh, the village of Asatrugard eh?
>How many live there?
>About 500 people with 200 Asatruars, Sir.
>Hmmmm… I think it's time they do their part for this wonderful multicultural experiment.. I think.. oh… 1500 muslim "refugees" will suffice, don't you? :^)
>Remember, don't attack them or you've broken the law and will be deported!
>Oh, they're attacking you? Well, call the police from the nearby city, I'm sure they'll handle it and not look the other way because we pay them to…. [hand rubbing intensifies]
So unless the happenings spark before that could be implemented, or our defense sparks the happenings we could easily be outmaneuvered. Our enemies have relatively unlimited manpower at the moment.
No.8925
>>8878
Reminder to everyone to continue physical training.
How do you think our cause will be affected if Trump is elected?
No.8929
Thread seems to have died down some. Let's do this: If we're going to have a business to umbrella immigration under should it be typically capitalism (a boss-owner and subordinates) or should it be socialist or even syndicalist in nature ? I'm presuming the dominant political views of us all is NSDAP fascism so that opens interesting questions in organisation.
>>8925
Is there some centuries-old law against building castles or fortified buildings? If not then that is precisely what we should do. Force multipliers and all that.
>Reminder to everyone to continue physical training.
The intentionally weak aren't practicing pagans to begin with.
>How do you think our cause will be affected if Trump is elected?
He said he'd pull out of much of the world and make nations pay for the US presence as a service… But he either won't follow through or the occupation government will find the money to continue the occupation (or some arrangement to look like germany is paying to continue the occupation will continue).
No.8933
>>8787
America is your country, but it's not your nation. It's sure as hell not your nation-state. American lands should mean nothing to you. It's far more of a jewish homeland than a European-descendant one anymore, has been for over 200 years. The entire country is a big shining symbol of the death of European identity. European immigrants would change their name at customs to sound more "American", which meant more biblical, which meant more jewish. America is merely convenient land. Europe is our spiritual home, the center of civilization and humanity. If we could save Europe, saving the convenient lands of America would be no large task. It would be easy pickings, as America is too vast to be ran by savages and would fall apart without the European-descendent stability it relies upon.
No.8936
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Anyone of you got a minecraft account?
I know of a server dedicated to political stuff and town building. I planned to make a post unrelated to this thread some weeks ago, but was never really motivated enough.
Now I thought it might be fun to combine both, as I think it's kind of hard to build stuff like this over image boards alone and playing this game together might be helpful. Dunno really. What do you think?
No.8937
>>8936
More looking to change the real world and built a community there. I'll have time for video games when all the infernos that face our race, religion and civilisation are put out… I don't anticipate that time being soon
No.8938
>>8937
>More looking to change the real world and built a community there.
Obviously. Still, I know that this "game" led others to have meet ups, while they were originally posting on the same Forums or imageboards. I would see it as just a step.
Basically sniffing butts, while "doing something" together, even if it's just some minecraft server. Baby steps.
No.8947
>>8938
Minecraft has no real "reliance" factor or bonding through adversity/challenge. It's basically autismbuilding and autismfarming… Haven and Hearth would work as its basically a village survival game set in scandinavia but even at that to work out, perform rituals, have a productive material hobby/profession and work a job that doesn't leave much time for games like that.
Probably just better to have a tox group/TS/whatever.
No.8991
You can't have a community without children;
You can't have children without wives;
And you can't find wives in a nation of used goods whores fawned over by millions of cuck men.
No.9008
Has Germany been decided on, or can we look to other places? I'm thinking that one of the Nordic countries would be better. While the le cucked Sweden xD meme has some truth to it, the whole area is still very ethnically homogeneous. Plus the population is low, meaning we could have a much greater impact on the society than we could in a larger country. There is a far lower Christian population there, so we wouldn't have much of a problem with christcucks. The land is beautiful and abundant, and easily suits our needs. I'm ethnically Danish myself, but I was thinking Norway would be a good one. It's nowhere near as fucked as much of Europe is, it gives us the sea to our back and the rest of Europe to our front. Many there still feel the call of their ancestors, and many are looking for something to give them purpose, we could give them that. Set up a community somewhere outside of one of the moderately sized cities and we could spread the word that we have a home for all of those of likemind who need one. There are quite a few small towns there that we could look to call home and easily change the politics in our favor. Possibly somewhere in the north? I doubt any of us has a problem with the cold, and land there is probably easier to come by seeing as how most don't want to live that far north.
Just spitballing some ideas.
No.9011
>>9008
OP here. I was thinking Norway could be superior to Germany, if anything for the sole reason that there's actually some semblance of a wilderness. In Germany you can go to jail for having a campfire. We could eventually move our exponentially increasing population southwards into all of Europe using democracy to practically conquer county/provinces. I think the name
"The Othal Front" is very attractive.
No.9012
>>9011
>>9008
When you declare a location, you're running into the issue of citizenship. One the one hand if you pick a large country like Germany you will have a lot of people already in that country who can participate, but that's because the population is already massive and you will have no influence on the society there and will be at the whims of its anti-white government. Conversely if you select a small country like Norway, hardly anyone will be able to get permission to live there, despite having the potential to have massive social impact. This is the trap.
The only real way to have a large movement of Asatruans is to have chapters in many countries dedicated to building ships and leaving to international waters, massing their forces, whereupon their host violently seizes lands from blood traitors & skraelings where-ever they are weak, to establish new homelands and invite more Asatruans in behind them.
No.9013
>>9012
>what is NATO
We can't have full on conquests without resources and manpower, not to mention that public support for us would go down the shitter if we made a Pagan ISIS. I do like your idea about chapters. Hell, maybe we could even copy the ancient Christcucks and send apostles all across Europe to recruit pagans.
No.9014
>>9012
I think we have a while to go yet before we go full on militant, but I get what you're saying.
>>9011
That was my thinking. A lot more unused land in Norway, and a bit more personal freedom than Germany has.
No.9015
>>9013
>What is NATO
Not a problem much longer. The World Police will not have the resources to intervene in farflung skraeling realms such as Liberia, which has a mere 3000 poorly paid and trained soldiers based out of a single overflowingly crowded barracks a couple hundred meters from the coastline. And that is just one realm of weaklings on an overripe world full of them.
>Chapters
As long as they're working on ships. The governments of the God of Israel will certainly attempt to crush any surging folkish communities. An exit plan is necessary for any chapter within enemy territory. A chapter should exist as a staging point for recruitment, training, and extracting resources with which to build assets we can take with us when we leave.
It is not the Christcuck slave cult we should take a lesson from, but their masters the Jews, who in the middle ages lived among their racial enemies ready to migrate away at any time after taking as much from them as possible.
We will return to reclaim our homelands, but all the homelands are conquered right now, we need a new one in the mean time.
>>9014
It's fucking ragnarok right now. There will never be a better time to be militant.
No.9016
>>9015
M8, I like your spirit, but it's nothing short of stupid to think we would stand any chance of coming out on top. We get militant now then the new world order will definitely win, and our descendants, should we have any left, will have no hope of a decent world. Sorry term thinking got us here, it won't get us out.
This kind of talk does nothing but hinder our movement. We need to be peaceful right now. Settle, grow. When we have the numbers then we fight, if needed.
No.9017
>>9016
We will have no ancestors, then. The war is happening right now, and you choose to be blind. Don't misconstrue me to be saying we need to go into a pitched battle against all of ZOG when that is the opposite of what I am saying.
I'm saying we need to run from the strong and conquer the weak so that we can come back and retake what is ours. Settling and having babies is the work of peace time – we are at war. Peace talk during war times is cowardice, plain and simple. If we only go find some used up woman to have 4 children with, we change nothing. The race traitors will import ten thousand skraelings to our community for every white child born. Making babies is for after a homeland is taken where they can grow to adulthood without fear of skraelings or race traitors.
There are many ways to win the war, and more subtle approaches may be better than mine, but outright peace talk is horse shit. The christcucks have never been this weak, their civilization is burning down to the ground. It will soon be the best time to retake our homelands for the first time in over a millenium. The time for violence is now, so we will have our axe sharpened when the perfect opportunity arises.
No.9018
>>9017
Have no descendants, then.*
No.9020
>>9017
>christcucks have never been this weak, their civilization is burning down to the ground
Just because a bunch of liberal shitheads and race traitors are selling us out, doesn't mean that Christianity is weak. Trust me, there is a reason why I'm seeing more and more people talk about and preparing for the end times. We're gearing up and becoming preppers to ride out this shit storm.
No.9021
>>9020
Talking tough is nice, I enjoy it too. But only contest of arms will determine who remains after the collapse. Whether you feel strong or not doesn't really matter. The fact is your Christcuck civilization is already over.
Christian communities will remain, but will be surrounded by armies of moslems numbering in the millions, and live under them as Dhimmy slaves. This fate already cannot be avoided. This war for the soul of our people will not be fought directly against each other. Your opponent will be the Moslem hordes you invited in with open arms. And it IS your doing. You hardcore Christcuck zealots weakened the moral authority of your religion, spreading atheism to catastrophic levels who recoiled from your jew religion. Most men do not have the strength to handle a world without religion and an afterlife, however, so they were gobbled up by the rising cult of feminism without even noticing it, and this has directly led to the irreversible collapse of your civilization.
I am going to fight to conquer a new homeland for hwhites at some point in the relatively near future. The odds will be against our people thanks to the actions of your depraved jew cult, but it must be attempted. I give my oath, I'll try my best to save you and the rest of our kin from the fruits of your depravity, but you will have to abandon the worship of the God of Israel. Never again will the jews be allowed to be the 'Chosen People' over our kin as your slave cult preaches. Otherwise you can resist the moslem mudflow on your own with your preppers, that's fine too. Saving all hwhites won't be possible even with the most miraculous luck, anyway.
No.9032
Unrelated, by why isn't /asatru/ getting bumped by new posts? New posts are not showing up on the front page for me.
No.9077
Well this thread deescalated quickly… For a while it had as much traffic as the whole board had in a month.
I guess every community project is doomed to die…
No.9079
>>9077
Did you expect us all to hop on a longship and start pillaging mudslimes in Sweden? This is a long term thing, we need to build physical and financial strength. I promise though The Othal Front will be established within 10 years
No.9081
>>9077
unfortunately but the idea wont die as easy
>>9079
Dont be too optimistic friend, I tried something on a much lesser scale (the book thread) and it died pretty quick
But I would like to see something like this thread being accomplished. I would almost say we should organize on someplace other than a fucking imageboard but we should be careful about privacy and who we talk to for now
No.9089
>>8698
>>9081
was thinking of this same idea before I found this thread.
I honestly don't think it would be too successful until a full economic collapse happens, which is inevitable, but it's important to start growing roots now so that there will be leaders when the time is ripe
No.9323
Wake up you layabouts, our time is short and we've much to do. We haven't even decided anything and the thread is dead.
GermanAnon, what have you learned about prospects in "eastern" germany? This is the single most important thing any of us could be doing here.
>>9079
Well, nothing was decided and there was no natural break in the conversation where upon reaching a conclusion we went our separate ways to enact it. I think there was an expectation of some actual decisionmaking.
No.9334
I'm working on this.
First objective is to cleanse and purify myself.
Next is to get lots of land.
Next is to bring in more people.
Next is to expand that land and community and our power.
No.9368
>>8747
half chan /out/ is also doing something similar, they are also pretty into norse gods and relatively easy to redpill, most of them don't like shitskins and stuff, perhaps we could try joining them?
>>8746
>a) There are already Pagan communities.
really? where would one encounter one of those?
No.9369
>>8768
>plenty of bogs
having evil plans are we?
also why settle in a region that has the word cuck hiding in it's name
No.9370
>>8780
do you mean by weaklings anyone without abs or like crippled people and limbs and that kind? because some working in the woods can bring a spaghetti puppet a strong icebear body
No.9382
>>9370
>do you mean by weaklings anyone without abs or like crippled people and limbs and that kind? because some working in the woods can bring a spaghetti puppet a strong icebear body
>Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I'd love to answer your question but I'd be lying if I said I understood it at all.
No.9428
>>9382
sorry lol. i meant, what qualifies as a weakling? anyone without abs or just handicapped people
No.9429
>>9428
I mean people who could be strong and talented but willingly are not (most modern people who watch TV all day and don't even lift). If you lost your leg in the war or are old now then there is an understandable reason for why you are the way you are and the village can find a job for you.
No.10122
This is a pretty neat idea. I'd be all for it, but I'd like to get as /fit/ as possible and find a folkish woman first.
No.10127
>>10122
>find a folkish woman first.
>implying
Kinman, you don't find women with interests, you make them as I touched on here >>8713 .
No.10128
>>10127
>you make them
Well, I'd still like to start off with the most non-pozzed woman I could find.
No.10130
OP HERE TO REVIVE THE THREAD
Listen up goys, It's been a long enough hiatus but now I'm back. Let's get some discussion going.
The first thing we must do is establish some goals. The first step is to get more people on board with us. The second is to organize ourselves (We will do this through tox, post 'em ITT) We need a clear idea of what we want to do and we need to start working on propaganda.
No.10131
My tox
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>>10052
For the uninitiated.
You have no excuse to not create one.
No.10276
>>8698
I really wish this would happen.
How could we as fellow anons get this going?
I would think that Land would be the biggest issue.
Either A. Buy land within close proxcimity to each other (like the Amish with their farms) or B. Buy ONE MASSIVE piece of land, which we all build houses onto. Such as the various Communes around the world.
Personally I am against the "one massive" land piece for "drama" and potential legal issues (EX. Tom and John have a property dispute)
Although the "one massive piece" idea isnt the worst, its just you would have to do it with a VERY TIGHT kindred or group of people.
No.10328
>>8713
What is your idea of "maximum potential"?
Should we be as strong/physically fit as possible or just "swole bruh"
No.10396
I've heard that Hungary is wanting to import farmers. Is this a good prospect?
No.10401
>>10328
>Should we be as strong/physically fit as possible
This. You should always want to be this anyway, the fact it is an element of our faith is just an extra reason.
>>10396
I doubt any of us are hungarian…