No.29056
What are your favourite portrayals of Christianity and Christians in anime and what did you find interesting about them? I've always found the Japanese's weird relationship with Christians interesting.
My favourites so far are Samurai Champloo and Trigun. Yoshiaki Kawajiri also tried borrowing some Christian stuff for Wicked City and A Wind Named Amnesia but fucked it up in a really naive way.
No.29058
The Chaplain from Dominion Tank Police was pretty great.
No.29068
Trigun and One Pound Gospel. That's about it.
No.29071
If there is an orphan, the orphanage is very often a church run by Christians. Like, in Black Clover or Tenshi no 3P. Makes me wonder if orphanages existed and if Jap had the mentality/empathy to care about orphans before missionaries came to educate them.
No.29088
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>29056
Superbook, because of how awesome and funny that the CBN guys were fans of Speed Racer, and approached Tatsunuko Productions to make the series.
No.29089
>>29071
Orphanage is quite the issue in nippon, now Christian groups support it, but the Government and average Japanese, well, seems like there's more support fore social welfare for the aging population than there is to the kids without family.
No.29108
>>29088
>Superbook
>Tatsunuko Productions
Huh. Wonder if having worked on that, maybe the idea of Christianity might have impacted the imagery of The Soul Taker, which they made down the line. Though, it's not like The Soul Taker is especially Christian, nor are some of its themes especially Christian-friendly (or kid friendly, for that matter). I would assume they just thought it made for both some neat set pieces, in a show I've seen described before by anon as "visual nonsense" (which isn't exactly inaccurate) and a bit of character background.
No.29109
>>29108
>maybe the idea of Christianity might have impacted the imagery of The Soul Taker,
Meant more along "inspired them to incorporate it".
No.29110
>>29108
>>29109
Dunno, Tatsunoko were involved with Evangelion or it's the director, Akiyuki Shinbo is the guy who was lauded for Madako.
No.29112
Let's make it easier.
Anime where angels are not assholes.
No.29117
>>29056
FFS CAN YOU AT LEAST KEEP YOUR JEWISH RELIGION AWAY FROM MY JAPANESE CARTOONS
No.29136
>>29117
>christianity is jewish
>this is why the jews had to subvert it
>this is also why the kike soviets exterminated christians and banned it entirely
>i know the jews today are the pure descendents of the ancient israelites
>i know this because the jews told me so
>and naturally the jews wouldn't lie about their identity or that of the ancient israelites
>after all, they never lie, they always tell the truth
>hurr durr they created it but somehow needed to subvert it
>>>/oven/
sage for offtopic.
No.29143
Royal space force is decent for several reasons and has what is clearly a christian theme despite the total lack of direct references. If anyone wants to watch it make sure to avoid the english localization at all costs because it completely changes the meaning of several scenes (the religious/spiritual motif gets rewritten into mostly secular pacifism).
No.29177
>>29136
go back to your containment board.
No.29178
>>29117
>>29177
If you hate Christianity so much, go watch some kosher hollywood movies.
Also, what kind of turbofaggot greentexts with -?
No.29180
Godless faggots off my board
No.29276
>>29136
>worshiping a religion made by Jews
You have no excuse, you are fundamentally anti-European.
>>29178
You fags have a whole board where you can talk about Judaism in animes, stop trying to make it look like every good hobby is about your Jewish religion just to try and get more converts.
No.29307
>>29276
you haven't addressed a single thing i've said, and instead repeat the first claim without ever addressing anything counter to it. stop behaving like a kike.
christianity was never jewish and the ancient israelites aren't the jews.
https://christogenea.org/essays/classical-records-and-german-origins-part-one
No.29374
>>29307
>christianity was never jewish
WEW
No.29449
>>29276
/christian/'s moderation is fucking awful.
>>29374
It's the successor to pre-Talmudic Judaism, the Judaism the Jews rejected because it wasn't convoluted and jewish enough for them even before the Talmud was written they were constantly trying to break or ignore their own faith. A good portion of the New Testament is devoted to fighting Jewish subversion and takeover attempts of the newborn Christian faith.
No.29451
>>29449
>A good portion of the New Testament is devoted to fighting Jewish subversion and takeover attempts of the newborn Christian faith.
then why did it fail so badly?
No.29460
Are nuns for sexual?
Yes/yes
No.29465
>>29451
Two reasons. The first is that the church despised usury for the longest time but the Catholics, being enlightened geniuses, figured they found a loophole by letting Jews do their usury for them. Secondly, Jews started cozying up to American evangelicals sometime around the 19th century and pushed their propaganda into overdrive after WW2. As a result there's sadly loads of wishy-washy "Christians" who rarely read their Bibles and believe the Jews are still going to Heaven despite rejecting Jesus.
Non-Catholic tolerance of Judaism is a very recent thing and a symptom of the church drifting further from the scriptures in favour of leftist cancer.
>>29460
Martin Luther agrees with you.
No.29481
>>29465
>who rarely read their Bibles and believe the Jews are still going to Heaven despite rejecting Jesus.
>people are THAT retarded
wew
>>29460
yes after you marry her
No.29483
>>29460
>cucking jesus
I don't think so fam
No.29486
I guess the first Patlabor movie referenced the Old Testament frequently but like most anime that's more for flavour than anything. At least Mamoru Oshii is more familiar with Christianity than most anime directors so his religious references usually make more sense than the usual "throw crosses everywhere" shit.
>>29483
Nuns aren't even biblical and 3DPD nunneries are infamously full of dykes. It's not like their charitable work benefits from them avoiding marriage either.
I'm pretty sure the main reason people like 2D nuns are the outfits and the emphasis on purity.
>>29481
Evangelicalism is weird. They range from completely retarded to sort of sensible but still way too comfy with Jews.
No.29505
>>29449
>A good portion of the New Testament is devoted to fighting Jewish subversion and takeover attempts of the newborn Christian faith.
Yes, yes, das rite, the NT was literally /pol/ before /pol/ existed. That's why you murdered your European brothers all over Europe in the name of a Jewish god, before going to (((the holy land))) to fight for your greatest ally, killing more Europeans in the process. (ffs when will this shit end?)
>>29481
>posting lewd shit
It's like they don't even try to pretend to care about anymore, and then these fucking hypocrites are going to tell me that I'M the immoral one and the degenerate just because I don't worship their Jew. Unbelievable.
No.29510
>>29481
Easter is literally a celebration of judaism being exposed as a scam and sad realization that AIPAC was present in Ancient Rome.
No.29524
>>29505
>eurofags didn't kill each other before Christianity
>the crusades were for the benefit of the jews
>nevermind how the jews still bitch about the crusaders killing loads of jews alongside the other sand people
Something tells me you aren't very interested in discussing Christianity in anime, anon.
No.29535
No.29567
>>29535
Wow what a good and informative argument clearly this person is oozing with intelligence and he is brimming with retar- I mean a great future ahead. Thank you for such a detailed and descriptive counter argument.
No.29569
>>29524
>eurofags didn't kill each other before Christianity
They did it for conquest, not in the name of a foreign religion.
>the crusades were for the benefit of the jews
Unwittingly, yes.
>nevermind how the jews still bitch about the crusaders killing loads of jews alongside the other sand people
And what, you expect them to give you a pat on the back? Jews will bitch about everything whites do.
>Something tells me you aren't very interested in discussing Christianity in anime, anon.
Stop trying to hijack every hobby out there for you religion. Discuss your Jewish gods in anime on your own board.
No.29570
>>29569
Listen christianity is bullshit but there is a board to contain that cancer so why aren't they just going over there.
No.29572
>>29570
<Why aren't they going to their containment board?
>asking ths anon who is arguing against thia thread
Unsurprisingly, unironic christcucks have low IQ in the 60's to 70's.
The average christcuck is a spiritual zombie that can only copy, steal and suck life out of others. They blindly follow the kike text and swear it is the gospel, when there are mountains of evidence to show that it is a curated kosher book designed to fool goys.
No.29576
>>29056
The whole Nasuverse takes mostly from Christianity. They'll take Christian tales/characters then add their Japanese degeneracy. Nonetheless, overall an anime will interest me more when it involves a lot of caucasians.
Also, the Tsukihime anime had a great soundtrack.
No.29577
>>29576
>inclusivity is a factor in piquing my interest
No.29580
>tfw don't give a fuck about Christianity but like cute nuns
>>29486
>I'm pretty sure the main reason people like 2D nuns are the outfits and the emphasis on purity.
I agree with this
>Nuns aren't even biblical
Does that mean we can keep them?
No.29588
I remember a short ova or movie were one of the episodes there was a priest that is an exmercenary and a nun that is a ninja in a church with a bunch of orphans, shit was fun when they needed to protect the place from some faggots and help out the priest old mercenary friend.
>>29570
why do you think there is a board called /christian/ in this god forsaken place? is to save all those poor souls from suffering even though we are all really dead and in eternal suffering
No.29611
>anime is christian!
>nationalism is christian!
>everything I like is christian!
>everything I don't like is not christian!
Ok, I'm converted now. What specific church should I go to?
No.29615
>>29611
The Orthodox Church is the best one to be honest. American Christianity such as Evangilism is Zionist controlled, Anglicans are cucks and Roman Catholicism has been compromised since Vatican 2.
No.29618
Since Wicked City was brought up earlier, I should go into some detail since it's an interesting example the director ultimately fucked up.
So the OVA's premise is that there's two races from different dimensions with mutual hatred for each other: humans and "demons". The protagonist and a demon woman have been hired as bodyguards to protect an Italian mystic on his way to a peace treaty between the two races. Spoilers below:
Later on it reveals that the entire thing was a ploy for the protagonist and the woman to breed, since their genes are compatible and their halfbreed child would become some kind of prophesied mediator to bring peace to both races. The director, being a nip, knew barely enough about Christianity to notice the similarity between the child and Jesus, and thought it would be brilliant symbolism to have him conceived in a church.
This unfortunately implies two unmarried people fucked in an empty chapel.
>>29569
>>29572
>Catholic butchery was purely for religious reasons and definitely not conquest
>killing jews was for the benefit of the jews because white people died along the way
>stop making threads about things I don't like
>some shitflinging about IQs and mountains of evidence that the Bible was created to control goyim
>evidence you (((conveniently))) won't share
Yes anon, let's conveniently ignore how the Old Testament is a history of the Jews fucking up and the New Testament (especially the Apostle Paul's writings). You're really bad at this. How new are you?
>>29580
>Does that mean we can keep them?
2D nuns are great, so why not?
No.29619
>>29615
I was being sarcastic you retarded slavaboo, I bet you never stepped into an orthodox temple in your life.
No.29620
>>29619
>I was being sarcastic
You forgot the :^)
No.29632
>>29618
<OY VEY, HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE MY INFALLIBLE HOLY BOOK
>The Vatikike didn't allow over half of the new testament's book to be translated from greek because it was considered (((heretical and against the interests of judaea)))
>the destruction of libraries all over med during the crusades, ensuring the other books never saw the light of day again
>believing that rabbi yeshua was the son of godwhich is a fatally false concept
<Y-you're the jew
>fellating (((Paul))), the kike who wasn't even alive when Yeshua was.
Prove to me that (((Yeshua))) was the son of god. Last I resesrched, he was a reincarnation of Lucifer who was a total megalomaniac.
Keep spewing your talking points that the deacon gave you, I await your shitting.
No.29634
>>29633
Truly the goodest goys, shilling lies and libel that (((Peter)) & (((Paul))) pulled out of their asses, with help from their pharisee freinds.
Xristos would be appalled at how much you fuckers have drug his name through the dirt
No.29637
>>29632
>fake gospels with inconsistent doctrines written under pseudonyms and gnostic tracts written long after the rest of the NT are legitimate
>blaming Catholic crusade fuckups on the entire religion
>he doesn't know Paul was likely born around a year after Jesus and the events of Acts happened not long after Jesus' ascension
>Jesus is a reincarnation of someone he met personally
>the apostles were somehow working for a group they had nothing in common with which was also doing its best to hunt down and exterminate them
You might want to actually read the Bible before screeching so loudly about it. It's obvious you either haven't touched it or didn't pay much attention.
polite sage for offtopic
No.29650
>>29620
>low IQ retards have such shitty reading comprehension that they need a :^) smiley to be able to tell when someone is fucking with them
Post 2010 imageboards, people.
No.29653
>>29637
>he takes the bible literally
>a series of tales that was orally passed until scribed by greeks
>infallible truth
<it was catholocism that fucked up, not anyone else :^)
>he takes the bible literally
Have you ever heard of JJCAT?
Have you read the talmud or kumran?
Or have you only read the bible, and shut off all other notions regarding that period as heresy?
You'll find out the truth when you die. I don't have to answer for your zeal towards Lucifer and his lot
No.29660
>>29653
>he thinks the Bible was passed down orally
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The Old Testament was a collection of books obsessively copied down over the ages by scribes and the New Testament is a collection of gospels and letters written in Koine Greek, a common trade language of the day. The gospels were first-hand accounts of the life of Jesus written by his closest friends and a doctor named Luke, so it's inevitable that they'd share some stories with the oral traditions of early converts scattered under Jewish persecution, but this does not mean they originated from said oral traditions.
The rest of the NT has even less to do with oral tradition than the gospels and none of said books were primarily spread through oral means, but through copying and sharing manuscripts. Stop stuffing your head with the wacky fantasies of (((liberal scholars))) and Varg knockoffs.
Yes, I probably have digital copies of the Talmud Koran laying around somewhere and they're both on the backlog. Don't expect me to read the Talmud anytime soon though because it's fucking massive and there's much better shit I could read in the meantime.
No.29670
>all this shit
Oh well. Looking forward to any future nun threads
No.29671
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>29660
>the old testament was obsessively copied down
>the old testament
<I havent read the talmud
But you have read part of it! The old testament is a collection of books from the talmud, literally copied over by the pharisees. This is why you hear jews talk nice about the old testament, because it comes straight from the talmud.
>the new testament were first hand accounts written by the apostles and luke
You are reaching levels of idiocy I have only seen from retards at churches.
>through copying and spreading meanuscripts
Wow, I bet you think the literacy rate in those times are comparable to today, don't you?
9/10 people were illiterate in those times, especially in the middle east, up until the introduction of the printing press. Ideas were commonly conveyed orally.
But sure, keep projecting your headcanon.
What's next, the earth is only 6000 years old, and flat?
>I have better shit to read
Like what?
Keep shitting about how your special flavor of christcuckery is infallible and perfect, it doesn't change the fate you face in the abyss.
No.29688
>>29660
>was passed down orally
No.29689
>>29670
Nun threads will quickly devolve into porn threads or pure succubus nuns posting.
No.29690
>>29689
Both of those are fine
No.29691
>>29671
Sorry anon, I'd post more nuns but most of my files are on a backup hard drive right now.
>>29671
>confusing the Talmud and the Tanakh
Not only do you know nothing about Christianity, you also know nothing about Judaism either. This is entry-level /pol/ stuff, lurk more.
For the record, the Talmud is primarily a huge clusterfuck of a commentary on the Torah + (((Oral Torah))) but also contains a written copy of the (((Oral Torah))), which are supposedly super secret instructions Moses didn't write down along with other stuff people made up along the way.
>Wow, I bet you think the literacy rate in those times are comparable to today, don't you?
Not remotely, but there were enough literate people that sending letters to specific churches was viable (even if it meant a couple people had to read letters for illiterate friends). Said letters were usually delivered by mutual friends of the writer and the church, and often contained personal greetings and comments for members of these churches.
No.29693
>>29691
And where are the documents?
Lost to the (((crusades)))?
I still have a hard time seeing how the torah and shit made up by pharisees can be taken at face value in such a fashion.
I have seen no records from rome stating Paul lived the same time as jesus.
How can you not see the bible as a tome of fables and tales to help teach basic, albeit entrapping, morals and values?
No.29698
>>29691
Aramaic, the original language of Jesus, is dead. That means all the Bibles that Christians have are translations of translations of translations.
The Bible is riddled with countless translation errors, and a lot of hidden meanings have been completely lost because they simply can't survive translations.
Also the vast number of inconsistencies between different versions of the Bible. The possibility of being tampered with human hands for political gains is extremely high too.
The same can be said for the Torah; both the New and Old Testament + additional books are fucking unreliable.
The funny thing is that Islam has a far more solid scripture than both Christianity and Judaism.
There's only one version, and it's the same goddamn thing as the ones they found in an archaeological digs which dates back to around 1000+ years ago.
No.29705
>>29698
>The funny thing is that Islam has a far more solid scripture than both Christianity and Judaism.
and its batshit insane, I guess localizations arent that bad after all.
No.29708
>>29705
<it doesnt mesh with the lies i have been told all my life, so it is crazy
Muzzies can lick my shit off the kuran, for all I care. At least they lay bare how depraved the demons christcucks, jews and muzzies worship are.
>there are people on this board who believe that earth is <6000 years old
What a time to be alive and bullying faggots.
No.29711
>>29708
>make a joke about localization
>anon goes full autistic
No.29726
File: 10acb92cbac4642⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 121.05 KB, 961x1300, 961:1300, 1ba117c3060f37ea585c7996fd….jpg)
>>29711
Did I not respond how you wished?
Aww, I'm soo sorry!
Want me to kiss your emotional boo-boo?
Come here, let mommy make you feel better!
No.29727
>>29726
>Want me to kiss your emotional boo-boo?
>pic
Yeah I do actually.
No.29728
>>29726
>pic
>not a nun
this is your last (you)
No.29731
>>29693
Expecting original copies of widely-handled letters over two thousand years old nevermind the Old Testament is a lot, let alone more obscure Roman legal documents of a traveling preacher. Still, even if we don't know Paul's exact date of birth we can infer from outside references written near the end of the first century and the beginning of the second that Paul was alive sometime around the early and mid first century and certainly wasn't alive near its end.
>shit made up by pharisees
Even if you believe the Hebrew Bible was fabricated after the Babylonian captivity, it still predates the Pharisees by a couple hundred years.
>How can you not see the bible as a tome of fables and tales to help teach basic, albeit entrapping, morals and values?
It's just that good. What I've seen both from observing the world and reading scripture is enough to convince me that the source of the Bible's wisdom is divine, and I like how it uses the history of the Jews as a massive example of how not to follow God.
>>29698
You raise a good point, which is why studying and comparing ancient manuscripts is so important. Many translations are still decent enough for the average Christian and general use, but certain characteristics of Hebrew and Koine Greek don't always carry over to modern languages well (the most well-known example being Koine's multiple words for love). Some familiarity with both languages can be very helpful but isn't strictly necessary.
>Islam
Of course their manuscripts are more consistent, the source material is newer and Muslims are well known for purging anything that disagrees with them.
No.29734
>>29728
I am sorry, (((Padre)))
Take this as a tithe.
Please, go ahead.
No.29738
>>29731
Okay, so you are a poor zombie who is clinging to a chance at (((salvation)))
Push your pilpul elsewhere.
Maybe >>>/christian/, perhaps?
God helps those who help themselves.
I want you to think about that phrase, long & hard.
No.29740
>>29738
>a poor zombie who is clinging to a chance at (((salvation))
Someone is running out of ammunition.
>God helps those who help themselves
Nice meme. Are you implying I don't?
No.29741
>>29740
If you cling onto the bible as your raison d'être in hopes of an afterlife, you will be sorely miataken.
>who says I'm not?
You thought neither hard or long, and took it at face value, like you do with everything in life.
You are a spiritual zombie. Your soul has been long dead, seeking salvation, but it will never come. Your kind sinned in the previous universe, so now here we are.
May you hear laughter at the gates of Helheim, it is mine!
No.29742
>>29741
Nice statements. Since you probably have nothing to back them up, I suggest either contributing to the thread topic or finding another thread about something you do enjoy.
No.29743
>>29742
<Where's the evidence?
>yet won't provide evidence when asked
This is a two way street, faggot. Keep autistically deluding yourself.
<stay on topic!
Japs like to use other creed's mythos and symbolism, as it is both a good exercise in interpreting foreign culture and it looks cool to the kids!
I already posted some lewd nuns, what the hell do you want?
This topic was doomed from the start. This could have been a thread on >>>/christian/ and it would have flourished.
But nope, OP had to make it here and waste everyone's time.
Don't you think a board for christians, on an anime imageboard website inhabited by anime fans primarily, would be the best place to discuss this topic?
>the abject retardation and delusion of christian anons
I know not all christians, blah blah blah, but for fuck's sake. Take your thumb out of your arse, get off the high horse, and concede that others disagree with you.
You don't have to always be right.
No.29744
>>29743
>anime thread on an anime board
>why is this happening
The real question is why I respond to someone who's consistently wrong. Your points were whittled down until you had nothing left to fall back on but insults, and yet you still demand more.
What more do you want?
No.29745
>>29744
Whatever helps you sleep at night, my dude.
You're the one spouting off about who's right and wrong, yet you look down on me?
Do you have autism?
Are you one of those autists who deny all that challenges your views, no matter its validity?
At this rate, I'll be living rent free in your mind
No.29751
>>29745
>run out of talking points after they're all picked apart
>resort to insults
>offended when someone implies he's wrong
You might want to scroll back up and read through your posts and their responses again, anon. At least >>29698 brought up good points and his are the most dangerous to my beliefs by far.
Are you sure you aren't projecting?
No.29753
>>29731
>You raise a good point, which is why studying and comparing ancient manuscripts is so important.
You don't understand. The original language is lost, so all of the translations are nothing but deviations from the original Bible.
The original content + hidden meanings have already completely disappeared and is irrecoverable. Also don't forget about the possibility of being altered by human hands.
Various pagan gods and goddesses were appropriated into Christian saints, and some of their practices were deemed kosher by the Church despite having no basis in the Bible.
Even the Trinitarian doctrine and divinity of Christ was decided by the church, not by any explicit mention in the Bible.
>the source material is newer
Newer by 600 years isn't much. The printing press hasn't been invented yet.
>and Muslims are well known for purging anything that disagrees with them
The same goes for Christianity.
Have you forgotten about the papal wars?
Have you forgotten about the pagan/heretic witch hunts?
Go to >>>/christian/ for your autism and double standards.
>>29708
>At least they lay bare how depraved the demons christcucks, jews and muzzies worship are
I really wish more people would study the subject before going full retard with their blind hatred.
Religion was never a factor in depravity and degeneracy, as you can clearly see with the LGBBQ garbage the godless modern world had churned out.
No.29755
>>29751
>you had no ammo
>still cannot prove (((Paul's))) existence at the same time as Jesus
>claims they were proven, but no documentation ever survived to substantiate the claim
<just believe me, have faith
Yeah, I sure do (((believe)))
>thinks the bible is literal gospel
I get maybe having this faith helps you cope with the world, but how can you not see the obvious inconsistencies of how god is depicted from book to book?
<christianity dindu nuffin, it was the dang catholics
>implying all of christendom wasn't implicated with the (((crusades)))
What special, infallible, never tried version of christianity stood against the vatican's choices, and lived to tell the tale?
I'll wait.
<muh apocrypha isnt canon
More "canon" than most of the bible. It is all fairy tales and allegory diluted over millenia of censorship and (((control)))
But sure, the KJV is the most accurate, 100% true gospel straight from the big man himself.
>inb4 lol u triggered
<:^)
No.29758
>>29753
I'm not arguing for a godless world. I am implying that the wrong god(s) have been steering mankind awry for dozens of millenia.
I want a return of the Truth, not this Love sham these fucked religions have been pushing.
No.29766
>>29758
>I am implying that the wrong god(s) have been steering mankind awry for dozens of millenia.
Religions are steering wheels, but it's mankind who's been steering it, not god(s).
Throughout human history religions had been continuously abused by mankind, despite the fact that most religions promote the highest ideals of human character.
We abuse religion to promote/push our own agenda. We used religion to steer the course of the world, and we in turn are steered by religion towards an unknown destination.
No.29768
>>29766
I agree with your sentiments.
Spirituality is something that is very personal, as it should be. To project your personal faiths and belief onto others in hopes of control, or in the examples seen throughout history, for the express purpose of control.
It is always fueled by desire and lust for power and dominion. You will never find a truly righteous man in a rank of authority in any sect.
Could it be ego?
Possibly, but there are people who screech about such a concept not existing.
The world needs to return to a strong, rigjteous imperial rule. Weak people are the breeding ground of evil spirits, and must be brought to heel.
What in the fuck was this thread?
An abortion, that's what!
No.29770
>>29753
The original texts were also Koine Greek, it's the dialogue of the gospels which is translated from Aramaic. The Bible isn't big into hidden meanings either, the closest it has is wordplay, foreshadowing, and parables.
The rest of your post mostly applies to Catholicism aside from the bits about the holy trinity and the divinity of Jesus.
>>29755
>Paul again
Paul wasn't nearly as large a figure as Jesus, so it's understandable that fewer documents about him survive. I was referring to writings by Clement and Ignatius produced between the end of the first century and early decades of the second, both stating Paul was already dead by that time.
>how can you not see the obvious inconsistencies of how god is depicted from book to book
Such as? If you're going to bring up God getting pissed in the Old Testament, remember that he was dealing with Jews who wouldn't fucking stop sacrificing their kids to Moloch or bitching after getting free food from heaven.
>What special, infallible, never tried version of christianity stood against the vatican's choices, and lived to tell the tale?
The various protestant sects and Anglicanism have been tried, and both were pretty doing good until (((liberalism))) became the new fad.
>apocryphal works
Some of them (usually the stuff preferred by the Catholics and Orthodox) are interesting historical curios even if they're noncanon, but most of the rest is junk.
>muh KJV
The ESV is pretty good and the manuscripts it uses are probably better than the KJV's, but the KJV's prose is pretty comfy and its accuracy is acceptable most of the time.
No.29774
>>29770
>still this autistic
>continues applying double standards
Did your mother drink when she was pregnant with you, or were you dropped on your head as a child?
<muh protestantism
Notice how I said that all of christendom was implicated beginning with the crusades. And as the other anon mentioned, the papal wars and pagan hunts happened. Martin Luther wasnt alive until all that shit had passed, m8. He was born in 1483, the second crusade ended in 1149.
Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
You some 18-21 gen z shitter, or really retarded?
>he still thinks the bible has no deeper meanings
>ESV
You some fucking yuropoor or britbong?
Jesus Christ on a cross this is sad, lad.
Pic related is your only choice left, anon.
Accept your fate, stop fighting and trying to gain immortality.
It isn't worth it, by any measure
No.29776
>>29770
>The original texts were also Koine Greek, it's the dialogue of the gospels which is translated from Aramaic
Jesus' language is Aramaic, and Aramaic has its own writing system. That means the original texts would've most likely been written in Aramaic instead of Koine Greek.
Koine Greek texts are merely translations and the original is forever lost and is irrecoverable, because the Aramaic language is dead. The possibility of being tampered by human hands is still present.
>The closest it has is wordplay, foreshadowing, and parables.
This is what I meant by hidden meanings. The lessons found in the original parables are completely lost now, since they cannot survive translations.
No.29777
>>29774
So you're blaming protestants for events that began before them: events that they largely didn't take part in, held by people they strongly disagreed with, and events they had very mixed feelings about most were all for kebab removal, but not disguising it as a holy war. This is some white privilege-tier logic.
>extrapolating " isn't big into hidden meanings" into "no deeper meanings"
>too snobbish for the ESV
>more insults
Top tier.
>>29776
The gospels sometimes quote Jesus directly in Aramaic and include a Koine Greek translation. If the original manuscripts were in Aramaic (unlikely, since they were written for areas where Koine Greek was more common) there would be no reason to do this. I'm also fairly certain that if something in his parables didn't translate especially well, the original authors would have either fallen back to Aramaic words or included Aramaic phrases + translations as they did elsewhere.
No.29781
>>29777
<i never said that the protestants could have stopped the vatican's crusades!
From >>29770
>The various protestant sects and Anglicanism have been tried, and both were pretty doing good until (((liberalism))) became the new fad.
In response to my statement about christianity becoming wholly tainted by the second crusade.
So yes, anon, you indeed were trying to say protestants tried to stop the crusades.
<I never said that there are no deeper meanings!
Also from that same post
>the closest it has is wordplay, foreshadowing, and parables.
As the other anon has said multiple times. The aramaic language is lost, so the true meaning is gone.
Lose a language, lose an entire part of history.
You obviously have no knowledge of the world beyond immediate world history, and the bible. Go back to school, son.
Keep the pilpul up, though. I am sure your rabbi is proud.
No.29786
>>29781
>So yes, anon, you indeed were trying to say protestants tried to stop the crusades.
The post about Protestants and Anglicans was about churches resisting the Catholics and surviving, not the crusades. I should have clarified.
>a repeat of "isn't big into hidden meanings == no deeper meanings"
>parroting Aramaicposter after my response without bringing anything new to the table
>more insults and even a smug
Very clever, anon.
>>29784
I confess I know little about Aramaic and my knowledge of Koine Greek is still fairly limited. Thanks for bringing this up though, I'll definitely look into it more in the future.
No.29787
>>29777
>>29786
>The gospels sometimes quote Jesus directly in Aramaic and include a Koine Greek translation.
Which means that Jesus spoke predominantly in Aramaic when he gave his sermons and teachings.
Even if the original texts were written in Koine Greek, the language that Jesus used to communicate his message is Aramaic.
The Koine Greek Bible is just a translation. How accurate it is to the original content, and how pure it is from human tampering is unknowable.
And since we never found any physical copies that dated back to Jesus' lifetime, the credentials of the Koine Greek Bible is questionable.
No.29789
>>29786
<oh i do know thst my religion has been completely corrupt for centuries
>continues to follow it anyways
Smart thinking, laddie.
This is your brain on yurope, folks.
<durr i nevsr said there were no deeper meanings
Once again, and i will embolden the key words for you to review at your leisure and study.
>the closest it has is wordplay, foreshadowing, and parables.
So you want to seriously tell me god created all eternity in one week's time, when humanity couldn't tell time until the past twenty thousand or so years?
Let alone a modern, gregorian calendar twenty-four hour day.
Fourty years in a desert possibly smaller than massachusets.
>yuropoora in charge of english language understanding.
How are the ESL classes, shitter?
They obviously aren't working out too well for you.
Fucking yuroshits, I tell you.
No.29790
>>29698
I like you, you raise good points. There is an issue with your stance on Islam however and a very large flaw in your idea of it being a solid account of the religion.
Islam only has one koran because all other versions that were commonly cited several hundred years after Muhammad's death were ordered to be destroyed by a king who instead used his own version as the standard. His version is what all current koran's are based upon and this is potentially corrupted even further by the fact that Muhammad was illiterate and thus all accounts of Islam were passed down orally for several hundred years.
You are also ignoring that almost every single muslim has a different interpretation of the religion not only because of how batshit insane and poorly written it is but also because they all use supplementary materials of which there are literally thousands. This is even further split due to the difference between sunni (Arabsphere) and shia (Iranosphere) muslims who have different doctrine and supplementary materials which are also incompatible.
Your point on Islam shows your unfamiliarity with it. Regardless, I think you raise a good point on religious inconsistency even if I don't believe it to be as severe as you imply. The apostles translated the bible themselves to koine Greek.
No.29791
>>29790
>word salad
>autism
<oh and by the way, the apostles translated it to greek
<:^)
Cheeky lil cunt, aren't ya mate?
No.29793
>>29787
>And since we never found any physical copies that dated back to Jesus' lifetime, the credentials of the Koine Greek Bible is questionable.
They were written a good time after Jesus' ascension, and even then finding an near-original copy of a popular book that old would be a borderline miracle. First edition copies of earlier Harry Potter books are already getting hard to find, now imagine if most copies were read every day or Sunday for years and how much worse condition said books would be in. There's a reason Christfags have grown autistic about Bible quality and it's not vanity usually: most normalfag-tier books wear out quickly if you read them as heavily as many Bibles are.
This ultimately boils down to whether the disciples + Luke wrote the gospels or not, and whether they were decent at translating one language they used regularly to another they also used regularly.
>>29789
>So you want to seriously tell me god created all eternity in one week's time, when humanity couldn't tell time until the past twenty thousand or so years?
There's debate over the days of creation, but sure, might as well include metaphors and figures of speech. My use of hidden meanings in >>29770 should be clarified as bible code, talmudic, or esotericist-tier levels of wankery.
>Fourty years in a desert possibly smaller than massachusets.
The Jews do dumb shit even without divine curses. If someone outside the Bible told you some Jews got lost in a small desert for 40 years, you'd probably believe them and have a good hard kek.
>>29790
Translated Jesus to Koine Greek*
Good post aside from that, so thanks.
No.29794
>>29791
>Explaining historical fact is autism
>Rounding off the post by responding to the overall question the post asks is autism
>Actual discussion instead of verbal shit slinging is autism
Webm related
>>29793
Correct, they translated Jesus. Depending on your denomination though this could actually be enough to count as the entire religion, at least it is for Red Letter-fags.
No.29795
>>29793
<nothing in the bible has a metaphysicial or esoteric meaning
Have you ever thought in such a way?
I linked a video earlier, check out his series on the OT, it gives some good insight on metaphysical things within even the OT, especially ten commandments.
>jews do stupid things
Yes, they are the masters of the self fulfilling prophecy. But what about the possibility of the OT being a plagiarism from other cultures, and the NT being censored and doctored by (((outside groups)))?
Calm your samefagging and doubleposting down, autismo. I already am getting comfortable here in your mind
No.29799
>>29796
>>29797
>filenames
>low res
>response time difference of twenty seconds
Phoneposting autism?
Summerfag?
Or worse, retard banned from /christian/ and /v/?
No.29800
>>29799
>Summerfag
You're resorting to accusations instead of making an argument. You've become triggered because two different people agreed.
Also, do you seriously believe anyone ever gets banned from /v/? Mark would rather eat cake and fellate trannies than actually run his damn board.
/christian/ is also a shithole run by Catholics who don't appreciate board culture in the slightest. They ban people for posting anime reaction images and have been seen calling imageboard culture "pedo garbage".
>Using a gif being low-res as evidence
No.29801
>>29799
Buzzwords won't make you fit in, not knowing the difference between the hebrew bible, the oral torah, and the talmud was already a dead giveaway.
No.29803
>>29790
>several hundred years after Muhammad's death were ordered to be destroyed by a king
Your argument makes no sense, since
- the compilation of the Koran was done by the second Caliph, who was one of Muhammad's Companions.
- the compilation of the Koran and the burning of other versions were done a few years after Muhammad's death.
- Radiocarbon dating of the manuscript stored in Birmingham shows that the Koran was written down on parchments during the lifetime of the prophet.
- Islam was present in Central Asia and Southeast Asia a few decades after Muhammad's death. They were never a part of the Caliphate, so how did this 'king' destroyed the copies there?
>all accounts of Islam were passed down orally for several hundred years.
Are you for real? Do you even know what parchments and papyrus are?
They were commonplace during the lifetime of Jesus, and Muhammad's era was 600+ years after Jesus' death.
The radiocarbon dating of the Birmingham manuscripts is an undeniable empirical proof of the early Muslims using parchments to record the Koran.
>You are also ignoring that almost every single muslim has a different interpretation of the religion not only because of how batshit insane and poorly written it is
>also because they all use supplementary materials of which there are literally thousands.
I don't think you even know what you're talking about. All Muslims believe that the Koran is the immutable Word of God, and therein lies the core teachings of Islam.
It is the golden rule that the Koran supersedes all other supplementary materials. That means if the supplementary materials is in conflict with the Koran or doesn't support the Koran, it is rejected.
Why do you think 80% of Muslims worldwide identify themselves as Sunni Muslims?
>This is even further split due to the difference between sunni (Arabsphere) and shia (Iranosphere) muslims who have different doctrine and supplementary materials which are also incompatible.
The Shia began as a political movement during the early days of Islam, which then distanced itself from the Sunni because they reject the Companions. But they still pray the same way and have the same theology.
>Your point on Islam shows your unfamiliarity with it.
You're the one who's unfamiliar with Islam, friend, as evidenced by your logical fallacies throughout your arguments.
No.29804
>>29800
>buzzwords
>using triggered in 2018
So when are you graduating from.high school, next week?
>mark doesnt ban
I disagree. That fat fuck has banned me many a time, if not every. You must only lurk and hear what others say. Just wait until you get banned in a meta thread for rule 8 and have your posts deleted board-wide.
>low quality gif used
Got me there, anon. I have changed my ways, and am giving this cursed image as thanks.
Use it wisely, for it can beckon great evil
>>29801
>>>/tv/
>>>/a/
Are that way, please see yourself out.
No.29805
>>29804
>buzzwords
>still thinking I'm the other anon
>he actually managed to get banned from /v/
>he projected this onto me
No.29806
>>29805
>still think youre the other anon
The autistic christcuck?
>getting banned in a meta thread is hard
So you either stay in contaiment threads like gg or reddit generals?
You barely need to show evidence of mark being a faggot or going back on his word, and you will get banned gor hurting his fee fees.
But I don't think that is where you lurk/post primarily.
sidenote. The fag shilling animu in today's meta thread made the board look desperate for UIDs. Hope that anon doesnt embarass themselves again
No.29810
>>29806
>reddit generals or GG
Why would I ever browse shitty containment threads, they're containment for a reason and evidence of Mark's ineptitude. /v/ is fucking garbage except for one or two threads like the AGDG.
>using Christcuck unironically
Oh, so you are a Jew.
I do agree that shilling of boards is faggotry though. That one guy shilling some shitty crypto board is an embarrassment.
No.29811
>>29056
>Samurai Champloo
Yeah, that episode was pretty good. It had both a corrupt bad guy who merely uses Christianity for his personal gain but also true Christians. I can't really think of a favourite but I'm happy as long as the series doesn't go full-Fedora and has at least some good, faithful people. Some nice imagery is also helps.
>>29071
Orphanages, hospitals and public schools where often organized and founded by christian missionaries in most parts of the world. Exceptions may exist but I assume that most lords and nobles simply didn't care enough for the common people and commoners usually lacked the funds to do this.
Then there's also the matter of regional cultures and religions. Why help somebody in need if your religion says that this person's misfortune was caused by his sinful past life?
>>29800
>/christian/ is also a shithole run by Catholics
I don't know about that, since Catholic threads get deleted for no reason while the shittiest news-, template- and meme-threads can carry on with no problem. I wouldn't want to blame any denomination for that NO FUN ALLOWED mess filled with newfags and shitposters.
t. Catholic
No.29812
>>29811
You're right, I won't blame it entirely on other denominations. The mods/vols are complete newfags and are pretty reddity.
No.29848
>>29810
>why would I browse cancer containment
Good point, sorry for assuming the worst.
>so you are a jew
As far as I am aware, I am not. I don't plan on handing over my DNA to jew research firms anytime soon to "find out", though.
>that anon shilling a crypto board is an embarrassment
You can say that again. That faggot is pretty autistic though, he could continue until he melts down
The attentionwhoring Mabinogi autist Mariel did get cucked hard by Mark in the OC thread, hope you got to see that.
Spoiler related
No.31490
/leftypol/, please fuck off, nobody wants you here.
No.31947
>someone remembers
thanks for being there anon