/a/ - Animu & Mango

Was okay. Too much black with white highlight, not nearly enough lolis. And some parts looked like they were rendered in lower resolution than the rest. And no lolis.

Could be good, the fight was pretty shit so I hope it focuses more on story than fighting scenes.

>>920118

>not nearly enough lolis.

There never is.

I got angry over the weekend because I just mentioned I wanted nudes of a loli to see her official anatomy and I guess someone reported me to YouTube and they suspended all my channels.

>>920123

Which loli?

>>920126

Not old enough to be a baba either, you niggeru.

More like JK kekki.

>>920131

>JK

Isn't she about 30? I'm pretty sure it's stated that Fubuki is in her late 20s and she's Tatsumaki's younger sister after all.

>>920132

I thought 25 but a quick search reveals that she is 28.

>>920123

Youtube has been extra sensitive about that stuff since the media found out it was a den of pedophiles awhile back and a fuckton of advertisers left them. It is a western company so I don't think they'd know the difference of disgusting 3DPD vs delicious loli justice.

I wasn't in love with the first season, but I thought this first episode was pretty good.

There was a lot of doomsaying with the trailer announcement, but it seems alright. Time will tell if it'll stay that way. Not all that glad to see the filler tournament, though. Hope it concludes the whole arc.

The opening sucks and the tournament arc is boring as hell, but I am looking forward to seeing Gary Sturyu getting absolutely destroyed and humiliated in full motion.

>>920314

If you go out of your way to compare the trailer and the actual episode, you'll find specifically Geno's rocket punch to be a lot better. The new opening isn't that bad either if it was fullscreen.

I'm still waiting on actual new story that's not filler, it's been years but hopefully we'll get there by the time it's 2020.

I'm not particularly fond of the fighting animation. It feels as if they had no confidence in their animation so they cobbled together storyboard placeholders. How Genos looked as a whole felt inferior, especially how the exposed side of his face was completely motionless.

And I don't feel that King was handled well. I don't know if it's on my part or not but I did not feel anything with the whole emotional King scene, it felt like a joke that fell flat on its face compared to scenes like Mumen Rider's or any of the scenes conveying Saitama's boredom. The only thing I really felt this episode was excitement because nearly every woman in this series is pure sex.

It looks cheap and the studio can't handle action scenes at all. God I miss Madhouse.

>>920378

However, on the bright side, there's an update both to the manga and the original webcomic, and they're both lit as fuck.

>>920113

> The whole joke about Saitama being inconspicuously strong is played out

You are no longer on MAL, anon. It's time to leave behind the childish opinions of old. That was not a joke, it's Saitama's curse.

>>920389

>to the ADHD western audience considering how ridiculously popular season 1 was with normalfags.

I don't understand this logic.

>People liked what we did last time

>so let's do it again but with absurdly inferior quality

>>920393

Shite piggu have no taste so they will eat up everything. And 1st season was also quite low on quality honestly. But that was the point of comic, so...

>>920393

>People liked what we did last time

>THEY'LL LIKE IT MORE IF WE MAKE IT MORE LIKE THE THINGS THEY ALSO LIKE

It's not an uncommon attitude amongst producery types.

>>920384

Madhouse spreads themselves out too thin but when they pour all their talent into one series, it really shows. It's a shame they have their favorites and whomever owns the IP to OPM couldn't afford them anymore.

>>920359

>>920369

>It feels as if they had no confidence in their animation

Doesn't JC Staff mostly make "talking heads" shows? They really weren't anything special even way back in the Slayer years.

>>920389

>The action directing was godawful.

I'd say you're bit hyperbolic.

>>920405

>they were good once

>that means they must be good now

That's not how it works.

>>920405

JC Staff seems to me like one of those big studios that doesn't really have an "identity". The quality of their shows probably has more to do with who the main shot callers like directors, script writers, character designers etc. were on each production were.

For anyone who enjoyed the webcomic, you have an adaptation of the completely butchered manga that turns it more into a pure shonen, destroys the timing of jokes, or takes them out entirely.

Its based off of stuff from one so even if animation is shit it is still gonna have a funny story

(I can flipflop between plot and animation, although my preferred style is very late cel anime [late 90s early 00s traditional])

>everyone already forgot that S1 was three nicely animated episodes and nine in budget hell

What's going to be the big closer for this season anyways? It seemed like way too many things happened prior to the Garou beatdown and I doubt they'd reach that part so soon.

>>920542

I'd hate to find out a year from now that this is just another gag that won't change or progress king in any interesting way. All the faggots seem really happy with the way OPM is going, so it seems like readers who have been keeping up with it for a long time are in the minority.

>>920572

I'll give him credit that he did make a joke about the fact that he hasn't done anything with the web comic in two years now. I think we might see a resurgence of the web comic if only because he's gonna run out of material for the manga soon and will either have to go manga exclusive or continue to bust out chapters (he finished Mob Psycho 100 and Reigen so unless he starts a new project, I imagine he should have some free time again).

>>920614

Better timing on jokes. Less filler manifesting itself everywhere. Murata would prefer to stretch out a one panel joke to a 4 chapter giant robot fight because it looks cooler.

>>920614

Murata's OPM has become the exact thing it parodies with useless filler tournament fights and chapters upon chapters on character lore, fighting style, rivalry's, etc. The shounen elements have overtaken the comedy elements which is what drawed me towards the series.

>>920682

That is solved within a handful of pages instead of being dragged out over several chapters/volunes.*

>>920113

>>920389

I'm pretty sure it was their plan all along to make a second season, for better or worse.

>>920782

So why did Madhouse drop out?

I'll be honest I haven't watched anything they made since that Trigun movie and OPM so I have no clue what they've been up to.

>>920788

Madhouse didn't drop out. Their price was just too high. They set the bar so high with that first season on a moderate budget that it was a tough act to follow even for them. So Shueisha felt it was better to fly cheap and get JC Staff to produce Season 2 instead of ordering another season from Madhouse.

Shueisha is the real culprit, it's not a crime to set the standard high and then get turned down.

>>920767

ONE's style suits the comedic tone much better. The 'OK' scene which reverts to the old style isn't an amazing visual in-joke, but an admission of defeat.

You might as well say that you never see the real Tatsumaki character, both in Murata and anime. Because they only use her chibi form in gags, while she is originally both a chibi and a killer in one.

>>921651

You're a season too slow.

>>920558

It will probably end with Saitama and Elder Centipede in that forest where Garou fought Genos, Bang and his brother.

>>920614

>Please elaborate

The usual case of "it's popular so now it's shit".

>>921663

So Tatsumaki really wears nothing at all under the dress and this is canon, right?

> already in episode 2 we get extreme QUALITY

Rewatch from 10:38 to 10:45

They totally forgot to animate Fubuki talking. I at first thought it was her thinking to herself and using the same audio leveling as her dialogue but it was immediately clear afterwards that it was a failure to animate. Saitama responds to her comment, her mouth is open when she finishes her line, and I don't have webm powers to post it.

>>921662

No anon, with the amount of budget stretching and dialogue padding, it's clear they're going to bumble their way to the final garou beatdown. Yes dialogue padding is usually reserved for padding out time so you deliver less story, but it can also be used to deliver a 1.5 or 2 cour season.

>>921748

Even if it's not canon, it's justice.

>>921651

Remember when you were shitting on the show like a retarded teen, saying it was just a 1 joke story?

>>921663

Not this time. The webcomic isn't burdened by Murata's shitty filler, and it's comedy first and shonen later.

The real fucking disappointment is the music during battles and in general isn't good at all, only the OP has the most satisfying song so far. Also what's with the fucking shit moment with serious side steps, It almost acceptable until it switched to sonic, actual QUALITY garbage.

>>920767

>It's surprisingly tricky to find the translated versions.

No you are just shit at google

http://mangaseeonline.us/manga/Onepunch-Man-O-N-E

>>921663

There's some merit to that. Producing something for a hoard of nigger cattle is going to lead to a lower quality product. This is the perfect example of that, with the web comic being the best rendition of the story and the third (3rd) retelling of the story being mass produced garbage.

Honestly I enjoyed jokes in this episode and OP was alright. It looks cheap, but whatever. Color palette is terrible.

>>921761

>In any case, I was mostly looking at Blizzard's bazongas, and wondering if the studio gave her an 'upgrade'.

It really does hit home how poor the art direction in Season 2 is when you show it side by side.

Her tits looked bigger in a few shots but then they went back to being boring shapeless mounds of okay size. I think the mysterious changing size of them has more to do with her being off-model for most of the episode, which means they couldn't maintain a consistent depiction of her. For instance, the scene in Saitama's room made it look like they cycled through 7 or 8 versions of her. Meanwhile, Sonic looked consistent almost all the way through. Just goes to show the priority at JC Staff places Sonic over Fubuki.

They also made her overall figure wider and with less curves, making her lose most of her appeal. Case in point, probably the most important thing when drawing tits is how their size is in proportion to her chest. Your second image is a great example of that.

Anyway,

> no thin upper waist

> butt and hips don't stick out

> no womanly shoulders

> no thin face

> breasts lack weight

> no mischievous facial expression that she uses in casual conversation as a front to hide her insecurity

> no mature but overtly feminine face

She's hardly the bombshell seen in the manga. When she looks "right," it almost comes out of nowhere, hence aforementioned off-model issues.

>>921802

It was alright. The humour enjoyable enough that I'll keep watching. But I'm still convinced this is all going to trash by episode 6.

>>921822

In the manga she at least looks like her sister. Here there's literally no resemblance.

>>921829

>bald cape

Who the fuck are these retarded chimps translating this?

>>921894

I watched the first episode somewhere online and Speed-Of-Sound Sonic was translated as Sound-Of-Speed Sonic.

Only problem was that the camera was too close and there really weren't any wife shots or anything. The background felt like watercolors and even then they were talking to fast it felt like they were speeding through the EP I could barley read the subs.

>>921894

To be fair its supposed to sound retarded.

>>921977

I think its due to budget. The closer you have to draw, the less you have to draw. Come to think of it, some pictures seems zoomed in, as if they failed to draw complete image and just cropped out everything unfinished.

Well, that was an obvious dip in quality in the 2nd episode. So many close shots and lack of impact. It didn't feel like the hits connected at all in spots. The soundtrack placement felt tacked or more like muffled to the action on the screen. Maybe they're saving the budget for key scenes later but this one was noticeably bad.

>>922029

To me it seems the second episode was better than first episode. It's lackluster around corners, but the fights and closeups were nowhere near as bad as Genos vs G5 . Shorter fights leave a better impression when you don't have a lot to work with.

Just how many episodes are they going to show, though? OP shows the tournament arc, and Garou is an important centerpiece. Perhaps they actually want to go all the way to the end of the Garou arc?

>>922065

>Perhaps they actually want to go all the way to the end of the Garou arc?

12 episodes are not enough, if they follow Murata's remake. But it's unthinkable for them to leave the arc incomplete, so I expect massive cuts and an anime original adaptation of ONE's finale.

In my opinion, the litmus test will be seeing how they handle the tournament. 1 episode: perfect. 2 episodes: compromised. 3 episodes: fucked.

>>922075

Was the tournament even in the ONE version? I thought Saitama got the ticket then resolved it offscreen.

>>922078

Nope.

>>922060

I agree there. They seem to be able to manage quicker smaller fights. What they showed in ep 2 felt "right" for the show but not as flashy as season 1.

If they can manage to stay within shots they can handle I don't think it will all be bad. It's just a question of what they do with much bigger fights later on.

>read the webcomic updates

>its infinitely more funny than anything Murata has done, even though its like 10 pages with jackshit happening

So why the fuck did Murata end up rewriting the whole thing instead of just upgrading the art?

>>922142

To be fair, if there is any one scene where Murata's version is better than One's it's scenes with Fubuki or Tatsumaki.

Well I mean they're probably the only good scenes, but the point still stands. Maybe.

>>922340

Young or Old?

https://twitter.com/bansanv3/status/1118504093352202241

>>920587

SHOO SHOO SUIRYU

>>922337

Because either Murata or ONE decided there should be filler for some reason. I don't mind overview of existing characters but the power creep especially with Zombieman is a bit alarming.

>>922921

The better question is how much money Murata's version is making whichever jump exec calls the shots.

>>922887

>>922933

Absolutely nobody would have complained, had the filler been postponed until after Garou's arc. Because that way, it would have been a new original arc, written after the webcomic was basically discontinued.

Instead they had to bloat an existing arc into oblivion.

>>921748

She probably wears a high thong

>>922088

Hopefully the anime plays it up and normalfags go away because of a lewd loli

>>923142

Not really optimistic, more like grasping at straws. A part of me dies everytime I hear a normalfag screeching about how great one punch man is and how they love anime.

>>923365

> super invisible

That's probably it anon. You figured it out. Just like how we learn tatsumaki has a psychic shield that can keep her safe while unconscious she is totally learning how to make things and later herself invisible. By practicing on a high-waist thong, she can control how it is not seen from the sides but only seen from down below. That's why no one she is flying over has ever appeared shocked or embarrassed.

>>923419

Posting screens is an integral part of /a/ you newfaggot piece of shit.

>>923424

There are threads which consist of either nearly 50% screencaps by him or are absolutely riddled with huge 5x5 blobs of random caps.

I feel bad for shitting on him for merely enjoying himself, but god damn it's annoying to have to hide that shit every time I open a thread.

I have an deep hatred for this entire arc, I almost wish the anime abandoned it entirely. There's nothing interesting about this monster sperg taking the spotlight away from our main duo it was shit in the manga and it's shit on screen.

>Insanely smooth tweened bananas

>Weird motion blur killing what could have been actual quality

>QUALITY

Hopefully we get a good episode for Metal Bat.

Slightly better than episode 2 but not by much. At least there were attempts at animation. That music really killed my enjoyment of the fight. The more I watch the more it feels like there is vaseline coating everything in this show. Don't think they''ll finish the monster association arc and it'll be a cliffhanger for the next season as they start to prepare for war. The could rush it too like most the production.

>>923500

>disliking garou

Here come the Murata secondaries.

>Garo wakes up after his ass was beaten

>What the fuck was that! Well, whatever.

>>923551

I've seen a total of 3 different itasha in my town over the years, and none of them featured any entry-level shit characters. Makes me feel oddly proud, or at least contentedly indifferent.

Christ episode 3 was great.

Got some nice action, a setup for the coming tournament arc and got to see Saitama flex on Garo after seeing just how freaking powerful Garo is. It's far from S1, but that's expected so I'm excited for this season nevertheless.

>>923573

I never read the murata run, he's a shit character I don't know why anyone likes him he's played way too seriously and the fun characters get less screen time because of him.

>>923551

Anime was ruined as soon as american kids started parroting TTGL memes they learmed from 4cucks. You really can't figure out that your notion of 'weeb and proud' is exactly as obnoxious as liberals demanding representation.

>>923617

Anime, like everything, has always largely poor with some standout gems, and Western anime fan-culture has always been flooded by insufferable people who want to feel special for liking obscure foreign media, and children who watch whatever dubbed shonen is currently airing on TV.

Most people looking back starry eyed on a golden age of anime, are mostly just looking back on the time when they were the stupid kid, and they couldn't see how stupid they were.

>>923640

People aren't baiting you by having better tastes.

>>923433

The budget must be really small, they are clearly picking and choosing what actually has effort to put into it.

>>923688

I don't think it particularly the west's fault, this is just the problem with all hobbies. They all get consumed and diluted by some popularity horde. Doesn't help that since anime was the "weird" thing that it attracted a bunch of personality-less loser who then became obnoxious weebs as their "personality". Then couple that with this generations obsession with projecting their "personality" in to the void we are led into this hell.

>>923703

Oh no I'm not saying its not doomed, it is. But I think we have some blinders to issues that the Japanese fans have with anime too. It's not like its just the wests fault, but we also have an incredibly larger amount of money to influence them with. We are already seeing this via Sony and their supposed unwritten rules policy when it comes to what is appropriate for western audiences.

Or at least there were some industry wide issues that may have doomed it without western influence. The topic that comes to mind for me is burn out. I don't think I have ever seen more authors/creators just stop working because they can't handle it anymore than in Japanese media.

>>923705

Hmm, fair point there. Especially in regards to burnout, honestly doesn't surprise me with how poorly the animators over there are paid; I can imagine it's similar for the rest of the production staff too.

>>923500

> monster sperg taking the spotlight away from our main duo it was shit in the manga

>monster sperg

thatsthejoke.jpg

>>923596

>I never read the murata run

You said he was shit in the manga, aka the "murata run." Gotta keep that story straight.

1/10

>>923500

Garou is an essential part of the superhero deconstruction in OPM. The series starts with Saitama as a lonely superman who lost the taste for life, that's the first statement about the effect of absolute power on (good) men.

Then is the Hero Association introduced, rigidly organized in strata and quotas like corporate japanese society. and with crunch becoming commonplace in the west, not just japanese They are portrayed as makeshift and arrogant buffons: villains of justice. Swiftly to be taught a hard lesson by the wandering antihero, Garou.

It is important not to end up braindead like actual capeshit fans. These are not real agents in alternate universes, but pieces of a story which exist to serve a function. Garou would be meaningless if the Hero Association didn't exist.

>>923777

I don't care about any of that because he isn't funny or interesting, I don't read OPM for a good deconstruction. Achieving some larger story goal doesn't matter to me if I don't end up enjoying the journey, something doesn't become good just because it has depth.

>>923733

It's a shit joke, and it doesn't matter if it's actually a webcomic you know what I'm talking about.

Like I said his sperging isn't funny, his character isn't interesting, and he takes time away from people who are funny and interesting. That's not much more to say than that so I won't.

>>923787

>I don't read OPM for a good deconstruction

>Achieving some larger story goal doesn't matter to me

Are you a masochist anon, I don't think your 'stupid and proud' boast resonates very well with the gentlemen of culture here.

>>923787

How do you even enjoy OPM at all? Garou was excellent, so let's highlight how the S ranks(and other heroes) are portrayed, how Garou is portrayed, and some other things.

Firstly, the S ranks are portrayed themselves are not heroes, though they occasionally do some heroic things.

>Tatsumaki

Childish and arrogant, primary interest is in using her power and being recognized for it.

>Silver fang

A good man, who is actually heroic. He's the only S rank that can hold up to a heroic ideal.

>Atomic samurai

A great opposite of silver fang. Silver fang was able to acknowledge saitamas strength, while atomic samurai, flaunting his pride as an S rank, says something like "I only acknowledge the strong. I'll talk to you when you become an S rank" to saitama. There is also an element of hypocrisy because he surrounds himself with objectively weak students.

>Child emperor

He primarily is interested in his gadgets. The new webcomic chapters point out some concern that a hero should have, but his response is to join a counter organization. That is, child emperor never actually made a stand for his principles, like the organization being corrupt, until someone else made it easy and gave him a good reward for doing so. This is not what a hero should do.

>Metal knight

Doesn't even pretend to care, he just wants to do his research

>King

Obvious and needs no explanation

>Zombieman

The only reason he is a hero is because he literally can't die. Aside from that what is he? What are his goals? his motivations? He has the depth of a cheap villian, not a hero. Garou points out his immortality and criticizes it well.

>Drive knight

We barely see him so I can't say anything

>Pig God

All he does is eat. He has some idea of wanting to do the job right(going back to get evil slime) but it's not clear where that motivation comes from.

>Darkshine

Garou arc brings out how all he really wanted was attention and fame. When he is confronted with a real adversity(garou) he curls into a ball and wants to give up. He's even given up being a hero entirely now.

>Watchdog man

We know basically nothing about him.

>Flashy flash

same

>Metal bat

He's not that bad.

>PPPrisoner

Literally a criminal as well as S rank hero.

So what about Garou? As the arc progresses we come to understand more about Garou. When we first see him, he wipes the floor with a bunch of heroes and criminals, saying he is the human monster garou. Then he begins the hero hunt, determined to eliminate the heroes. Why? We learn garou holds a conviction that "It's unfair a hero wins just because they are a hero". And look at the S class who he interacts with, isn't it obvious he is correct? Zombieman wins no matter what because its impossible to kill him. Tatsumaki wins no matter what, but all she's just vain and inconsiderate. None of these people are heroes, but they are given the title and the power "to win against monsters always", even though the monsters are often struggling just as hard, and can even be more pure and noble than the heroes. Garou creates himself to be exactly such a monster. That is why Garou is so great at bringing out the problems with the heroes, and highlighting the contradiction? Garou is actually a hero. Unlike the hero association, which maintains the image of "hero" without the content, and sometimes with the content of a monster, Garou maintains the content of hero with the image of a monster. That is what Saitama points out to him. Garou is a perfect opposite to the "Heroes" society idolizes. The heroes are all vain, imperfect, impure, they only win because they appropriate justice. Garou reverses this. Garou is now the one who appropriates justice. He defeats the S class with ease, highlighting their weakness and hypocrisy, because Garou has no such weakness and hypocrisy. Garou started as a hero, and he ends as a hero, and calling himself the human monster only highlights how heroic he is. Only a hero is willing to do good and be punished and mocked for it. Saitama does this numerous times(the meteor, deep sea king). Garou does it too. Garou is willing to let society view him as a monster, just as Saitama let society view him as a fraud. The "Heroes" Garou defeats are proven to be names only. They are not heroes at all. This is also made clear when Garou is defeated by Saitama. Garou purposefully avoided killing or signficantly harming the S class. Garou did not want to. They were powerless but Garou did not want to kill them. When the tables are turned and Garou is powerless the S class are all too eager to kill him in the name of "justice". The garou arc makes it clear how unheroic the hero association, and most people we think of as heroes, really are.

>>923798

Garou also has an interesting interaction with Saitama. When the arc is beginning, Garou has a conception that heroes winning because they are justice is wrong. But when Saitama is defeating Garou, Garou realizes there is another unfair force in the world. It's not just "It's unfair that justice always wins", because now Garou has justice, but Saitama wins anyways. Why? Garou's justice let him defeat the S class, so does Saitama have a superior justice? No, we can't say that. But Garou doesn't have an answer to why Saitama is winning either. I think we can still draw out that the fight between Garou and Saitama exposes the idea that "justice always wins" is false. Sometimes there are accidents of nature, like Saitama, that sweep everything up and no matter how hard justice tries, it doesn't succeed. That is what I think we should conclude. Garou beat the S class because Garou had justice and the S class didn't. Garou finally gets what he wants when he loses to Saitama. Garou had justice, Saitama had a hobby. Sometimes justice doesn't always win. The fairness of the world is restored, now the world is a world where hard work can succeed against the oppression of order, exactly what a niave reading of Garou would have thought, except now we know that Garou is not the one who points that out or embodies that. Garou is just another hero, using justice to oppress the monsters(S class). Saitama is the one who embodies hard work overcoming the power of justice.

Garou is an incredible character and his arc is certainly worth reading three times over. The redraw makes it a worse arc to read, but it also makes it more clear exactly what the arc is highlighting, and that is apparently necessary.

>>923798

>Flashy flash

>same

He's a narcissist with a mean streak, similar to Sweet Mask. People who enjoy using their power to feed their ego, which is prepotence in the service of society.

>>923799

In the talk with Saitama, Garou states his plan was to become the ultimate deterrent. To unite all heroes against himself. It was Ozymandias plan in Watchmen.

>>923777

>>923798

>>923799

That's some cogent analysis there. Garou is the absolute personification of justice. Some people mistakenly give that title to the Cyclist for Justice. While Mumen Rider is probably the most justice-minded hero he doesn't have the power to enforce justice on the world. If anything he's the personification of honor, but not justice.

Before Garou the heroes are all comfortable playing their games fighting the bad guys, but that's just because they always get to win. None of the heroes ever stop to question why random people become monsters from eating too many crabs, liking birds too much, or some other stupid shit. The heroes just go out and kill monsters! Both OPM characters and readers give Sweet Mask a lot of shit for killing still-human "monsters" unnecessarily, but he's really just taking care of the edge cases.

Garou is what the heroes couldn't ever conceive of: a monster they can't defeat with fighting. He retroactively invalidates all of the fun and games the heroes had before. Monster fighting isn't a flowchart that always leads to victory, there's a real chance of absolute defeat. And what then? Negotiate with the monsters? Try to dissuade them from killing everybody? The heroes have no idea what to do besides fight and kill.

I wish King was actually strong. I hated in the manga when he was revealed to be a weakling.

>>923902

That's the point, he gets the credit for what Saitama did.

>>923798

And to think the worst offender is not even a class S, but the A1, Sweet Mask. That prick only thinks about "beauty", being admired and saving face. I love when Saitama finally put that idiot on his real place

anyone got any fight webms?

>>924255

From S2? You could visit Newgrounds and achieve the same effect.

>>924255

Why would you want to look at that garbage?

>>924494

One Punch has been shit since Murata took over. It can't go forward and it can't go back, it is stuck in eternal shitty filler.

>>924505

So what isn't filler? One Punch is a comedy. Nothing more.

>>924676

OPM is postmodern superhero deconstruction, that it's done with comedy is just means to an end. You probably believe greek comedies were Ben Stiller movies with greasy fat people laughing their asses off over fart jokes, but no, they were actually about love, themes and politics.

>>924676

>its a cartoon, it means its for kids

>>924760

They really cut corners wherever possible. Nothing seems too awful but almost everything looks bad/not good enough.

>>924805

>For whatever reason One wasn't fine with the Garou arc and decided to rewrite it.

This is what Murata fags tell themselves to justify their normalfag trainwreck of a series.

One wasn't fine with his best arc, so he turned it to shit to better show off Muratas arc

>>924889

>Here's proof that it's written by One.

<No he'd never ever do something like that it's all Murata's fault!

Cope harder.

>>924911

>ONE is responsible for the inflated page counts of metal knight arriving at the meteor, child emperor vs. bird suit whoever, Garou vs the monster king Why does this even happen again? it's entirely pointless like 90% of the redraw additions etc

>Not murata, who's only value in the redraw is his artwork

Even if ONE said "Yeah you can extend what was a two or three panel encounter in 50 or 60 pages", it is obvious it's murata who provided the idea in the first place, and probably who pushed for it. Murata is also the one responsible for redrawing entire chapters because he didn't like his work, further delaying the story and showing, yet again, the redraw is about high quality artwork, not a high quality story.

>>923902

He IS strong. He has Meta-Luck.

>>923901

Garou is trash. Utter trash. As a charcter, as a philosophy, as a villain. TRASH.

And your idea that he heroes always win is not true even in the setting.

>>923798

>Garous is a hero

He is no hero. Monsters deserve to win?

Are you forgetting these monster come into the cities to kill people?

Hereos are there to defend human lives. They don't have to be perfect embodiment of virtues - indeed, may of the old classical heroes are very flawed.

There is nothing heroic in Garou. He's a child throwing a hissy fit because the world isn't how he wants it to be. He endangers thousands (since heroes are the shield of humanity at this point)

I rewatched the Boros fight from S1 just now and I'm thoroughly convinced we will not see anything near this quality anywhere in S2

>>920123

Youtube has been really shitty in the past few years. I got banned because I replied to someone saying only whites can be racist by asking "as a non-white, can I use the word 'nigger'".

>>924957

>He is no hero. Monsters deserve to win?

Garou is a antihero whose idea of monster is 'chaotic good', as shown from the way he deals with actual monsters.

Like in a Megami Tensei story, a world of lawful evils gave birth to a chaos hero.

>>924911

>No he'd never ever do something like that it's all Murata's fault!

This is retarded, had One wanted a diluted story like Murata's, he would have written his webcomic like that in the first place. There is only 2 possibilities here:

A) Murata is responsible for his own damn remake going to shit.

B) Murata and One both share the blame.

The only faggots protecting SOMEONE is you murata secondaries: fans of the webcomic want a THING done well (the original product), and have no qualm denouncing any mistake on One's part, aka option B.

And let's not lose sight that the entire argument 'these shitty fillers are actually pure gold because shat from the anus of One' actually belongs to Murata's camp. You and the whole of reddit got nothing, but an appeal to authority.

>>925226

> he would have written his webcomic like that in the first place.

It's common that authors change things in remakes, almost every WN author makes significant changes to the LN version of their title. An author making changes to a remake is far more common than a remake that stays 100% true to the original.

>There is only 2 possibilities here:

You can speculate or learn to use a search engine, but I somewhat doubt that a crossboarder screeching about secondaries possesses enough mental prowess to research things.

One writes the first draft, then he and Murata talk about the draft and do changes to it.

Finally One writes the final storyboard. Sometimes One doesn't draw a full storyboard for fight scenes anymore, in these cases his storyboards only show the important parts of the battle, for the actual fight scene Murata has complete freedom.

For example in the first draft Suiryu was meant to use the drunken fist against Saitama, but it was seen as too comedic and they (probably Murata's idea) decided to change his fighting style to the void fist. A cooperative effort is going to produce different results than One's independent work, and Murata's style is much better suited to action than to comedy. Murata does have an influence on the story but it's minor compared to One, and One always has the final say for the story.

There's also lots of contrarianism at work here. Popular action manga often get negatively compared to their lesser known counterparts. The amount of asskissing Mizukami's works or series like Zatch Bell!! receive is ridiculous considering they have many of the same flaws the popular battle manga get criticised for. It's just cheap R*ddit elitism, and it's even worse for a series like OPM where theirs a fully translated web version with "bad" art.

It needs to be Murata's fault despite evidence to the contrary, because otherwise all the elitist claiming they read One's superior writting instead of Murata's drivel look like complete retards.

sources (Translation of the Sugitomo interview and translation of the stream Q/As+ translation notes from the translator) :

--How do you two work together during the writing process? Does ONE-sensei create new storyboards?

Murata: With the main storyline or anything else where I’m going off of ONE-sensei’s original, I’m generally given free reign with page distribution and whatnot. But I’ll ask ONE-sensei if I have any questions.

ONE: That’s right.

Murata: For the main storyline, the dialogue stays pretty much the same. But with side-stories, sometimes I’ll try adding in scenes to ONE-sensei’s storyboards, or change the dialogue up a bit. In such cases, I’ll always ask ONE-sensei’s opinion. We’ll go back and forth fine-tuning it…and sometimes it’ll just end up reverting back to how it was in the beginning (laughs).

ONE: Murata-sensei always shows me whenever he thinks up new scenes or dialogue to add. For instance, with the A-Class hero Spring Mustachio, my storyboards just had his name and general appearance. He talked a bit and got beat up by the monster, nothing more. I didn’t plan to highlight what weapons he used or anything like that; that part was really cut short. But the storyboards Murata-sensei came up with featured him using his weapon against the monster, showing off his fighting chops so that the monster looked even more impressive by comparison. It was fantastic!

TN1:One relevant point I should mention here is Murata said on stream that ONE would miss storyboard pages and make fights deliberately brief, e.g. show only start of a fight and the end result, and gives Murata the freedom to come up with details of the actual combat in-between.

TN2: ONE is very busy with other projects these days, the storyboards he sends often consist of simple stick figures and sometimes only descriptions of characters or scenes in text, leaving a lot of the creative work to Murata.

>>925286

>Murata: With the main storyline or anything else where I’m going off of ONE-sensei’s original, I’m generally given free reign with page distribution and whatnot.

<Murata admits its his fault for bloating pages

> But the storyboards Murata-sensei came up with featured him using his weapon against the monster, showing off his fighting chops so that the monster looked even more impressive by comparison. It was fantastic!

<Murata is responsible for adding entire new scenes and character information, ONE is guilty of enabling

>show only start of a fight and the end result, and gives Murata the freedom to come up with details of the actual combat in-between.

So it is murata's fault that we have 60 page fight scenes no one asked for?

>TN2: ONE is very busy with other projects these days, the storyboards he sends often consist of simple stick figures and sometimes only descriptions of characters or scenes in text, leaving a lot of the creative work to Murata.

So how, exactly, does this absolve murata of blame for making the redraw bad?

All you've shown is ONE isn't properly giving the redraw the attention it deserved from him, and is getting influenced by Murata to rework scenes that needed no reworking, and to add scenes that needed no addition. At best, you've made both of them guilty, but in no way have you made Murata innocent.

>>925288

> but in no way have you made Murata innocent.

Which was never my goal. There's more than black and white. Both Murata and One are to blame.

>So it is murata's fault that we have 60 page fight scenes no one asked for?

Yes and no, in the end the responsibility for the storyboard lies with ONE. That ONE's outsourcing it to Murata is his decision and fault. If you're complaining about Murata's long fights then you can't ignore ONE who gives Murata a free hand. It doesn't matter if ONE hires fanboy3081238 from fanfiction.net or outsources much of the storyboard to Murata, he's the person who needs to okay the storyboard and he is fine with the end product.

>getting influenced by Murata to rework scenes that needed no reworking,

Do you think ONE is a four year old child? I repeat myself, but ONE is the writer, the storyboard is his responsibility and he has the final say on it. It doesn't matter if he gets influenced by Murata, his family, cat or a random passerby.

>>925111

Was OPM S1 the last show that had that high of quality? I can't really recall any.

>>925423

Not really. It was average with some good moments. Nothing special, except good soundtrack.

>>925286

>reddit spaced tl;dr

The eternal Murata secondary.

>>925488

>One's version is a mediocore comedy manga

The eternal Murata secondary.

>>924959

It looks to me like the CG was painted over, if that makes sense.

>>925532

3DCG can blend in with the proper cell-shading.

I tried giving this the benefit of the doubt, but watching the Murata filler arcs span multiple episodes proved too much. Dropped, might reconsider if and when we reach Saitama vs Garou.

>>925224

>Like in a Megami Tensei story, a world of lawful evils gave birth to a chaos hero.

Lawfull evils? Are you retarded?

The only her like that might be Amagi Mask.

You cannot ask nor expect for the system and all the heroes to be perfect. But they do their job of protecting people.

Garou is shit.

>>926005

>But they do their job of protecting people.

Garou highlights that this is one thing the heroes don't do, not really. In Garous final speech he asks the heroes if any of them will move to save the bullied child from his bullies. Garou says he will, but the S class don't even consider the question. They don't listen to Garou at all. They don't say something like "I agree we should stop bullying, but I can only do so much". The idea that they should listen to Garou is foreign, because Garou is a monster, and that means he is a nasty, brutish thing that just needs to be killed. A hero doesn't do anything other than fight and kill monsters.

Lets use homeless emperor as an example. He is upset with how humans damage the planet, and all the petty squabbles we have. He thinks we are harming the earth. He then joins the monster association and presumably humanity would be extinct if the MA wins. The questions we have to ask are: Is his goal(Protecting the earth from exploitation and damage) just? I don't think anyone will deny that it is a just and admirable goal. So then we should ask: Are his methods just? No, killing people isn't ok. So when HE is defeated we should ask of the hero: Why did he defeat HE? Is it because the goal is wrong? No, we already know it is a good goal. No one would stop HE because he wanted to help the earth. HE was stopped because his method(killing a bunch of people) is not ok. But if that is all, then we should ask why don't the heroes use an acceptable method to support that goal we all recognize is good and just? Surely if all the S class went out to promote charities and organizations dedicated to helping the planet they could make a real impact and monsters wouldn't appear to kill people for that goal, right? But heroes don't do this. They don't do this because they don't care about the goal. To the heroes, hero work is about self interest. They want fame, or fortune, or revenge, or research materials, or whatever. They don't want to make the world a better place. They don't want to solve the worlds problems. They don't even want to help solve the worlds problems. But this would not be so bad if they were achieving these selfish goals by solving the worlds problems, even incidentally. But they don't. The heroes serve as enforcers for the status quo. Anything and everything that upsets the status quo is to be eliminated. Is there an excess of pollution that causes a monster to target a pollution producing factory? The hero will show up and kill the monster, all the while poison seeps into the river stream. In fact, the hero would be happy to pictured on the front page of the news with that sight in the background because the hero doesn't care.

Garou, and only Garou, is able to bring this out fully. This is because Garou is the only monster that does not kill. Thus the motivations and intentions of the heroes become clear. They oppose Garou because Garou will break the status quo. Garou will protect even the bullied child. Garou won't kill anyone, not the S class, not the A,B, or C class. Not the children nor the elderly nor the salarymen. Garou will kill only one thing: The status quo that seeks its preservation at all costs. And to do that he will tear down the absolute defenders of the status quo, the Hero Association. When the HA is done, people will be forced to recognize that actually there are real problems, and no, the heroes didn't do anything about them. The heroes did flashy work defeating monsters, but these monsters wouldn't even exist if we put effort into solving the root of the problem, like pollution, or bullying.

Garou would take the comforting delusion that "Monsters are the problem and heroes are the solution" and smash it, forcing people to accept that monsters are often just symptoms of the problem they create, partake in, perpetuate and defend by just living out their daily lives and the solution is to be better people not to rely on stronger people.

This season fucking sucks.

Whatever complaints people may have about the manga, it didn't deserve this.

>>926102

Shut up Suiryu

>>925640

That isn't good looking animation.

>>926111

>HnK doesn't have good looking animation.

I'm not going to watch that jewtubers video on it but this is just plain wrong.

I don't think I actually mind the downgrade in animation. If anything, it puts focus back on the humour. The good animation in s1 could be strangely distracting.

>>926165

>If anything, it puts focus back on the humour

I'd agree, if there was any actual humour.

I think garou was a lot more heroic in the ONE version than the murata one.

>>926165

You're watching S2 and remembering how you laughed at them in the ONE version, or even in the Murata version. So you know it's supposed to be funny. But if you watch S2 on its own and see how it attempts it, almost every single joke falls flat. If S2 was doing an adequate job, the direction would allow for each joke to land as it should.

Not only does this affect every joke, it affects even the jokes that seem to work. The main reason for this is simple: they rushed through production and as a result the tone and pacing is completely off.

I feel like this is encapsulated the best with Garou. The actor is right for the role but they're rushing through all of his scenes that the actor basically has to speak quickly and deliver his lines with no weight. No weight - because he has no time for his lines to sink in. A polar opposite to this would be shows that strive for mood, so characters speak slow, there's tons of pauses in speech, and so conversations take forever. Here, in S2, almost every conversation is reduced to line-reading tier delivery.

I think one of the most subtle fuckups in this show is that Saitama looks like a caricature of his already caricature tier self when he's supposed to look bored. They paid almost no attention to how he is represented in a scene when a ton of the subtle humor is how he is placed in a scene looking detached. This is even worse when you realize they have him looking shocked when he shouldn't, and this goes against his character. Go back to Fubuki's reveal all the way to when SoSS gets wrecked and you will see him doing a cliche shocked expression when Fubuki reveals his power, twice. It's not overt shock, but it's over the limit for how he is supposed to look.

>>926059

To be honest there's a little more to that. The S-Rank heroes are repeatedly said to be above all other heroes not just because they're the cream of the crop, but also because they have a desire to do their work that goes beyond getting paid or any benefit or pride or acclamation. They're full blown heroes and had they been the only one S-Ranked they'd probably be seen as the pinnacle of humanity.

Problem is that the way the association works it forces these decidedly strong personalities to constantly bicker among each other and to cooperate with people with a set of values and ways of doing things that are completely alien to each other. For instance, Tatsumaki, who is about the second strongest barring Blast, knows of her strength and has no qualms about causing collateral damage, just because she knows that there's nothing that can even dent her outside of Caped Baldy. Bang on the other hand, is wise thanks to his experience and age, knows full well of the dangers anyone can be put on if they unleashed their full power and would rather show restraint. Put just two of them together and their more selfish nature will obviously show. Part of why Saitama, Mumen Rider and Garou are so charismatic is that they are still selfless beyond petty words. Saitama recognizes this in Garou and ultimately it's not his overpowered status to beat him as much as his thought provoking words.

>>925488

>Both versions of One Punch Man aren't anything above average. One's version is a mediocore comedy manga and the remake is a mediocore action manga dragged down by the fact that the original is a comedy manga. ONE and Murata have never been compatible.

If you thought all of it was shit, why are you here? Why haven't you fucked off yet?

>>>925495

>The eternal Murata secondary.

This is true as he pulled the same "I hate both but I have to argue with you" bullshit in the previous OPM thread.

>>926085

Yes they did. This is the end result of Murata fucking up a manga to appeal to shounen fanboys.

>I did not shoo shoo Suiryu

>Why did this happen to me

THE WORLD WILL NEVER KNOW

>there are shills ITT supporting this atrocity

>>925488

From the bestseller 'More telltale signs you are talking to a kid':

13. Insulting a work or author with cheap, sweeping statements with the goal or propping your own position. Different from heavy criticism because it's a circular argument, with no evidence brought forth.

>>926267

The eternal Murata secondary, sowing discord among anons. Next you'll be saying shitting on S2 is a microaggression.

>>926078

I liked her more in the manga. Everything about her is off from what I imagined. Even the last part where she accidentally knocks out her brother,

>Saitama's VA sounds bored instead of in-character bored

Nobody seems to be mentioning this but its one extremely crucial point. I'm only one and a half episodes in but the delivery of Saitamas lines are so awful I already want to quit. It doesn't sound like he's bored, its just monotone.

>>927129

>I'm only one and a half episodes in

Well don't worry. He doesn't even get that many lines in the latest episodes.

>>926199

The thing with S-rank heroes to me is that they seem like they're the only ones with ACTUAL superpowers, in-context. B-rank heroes are just normal people with some strength or martial arts skill, and A-rank heroes are the same except that have some special ability which really only boils down to a shounen-tier "secret martial arts ki technique". But it's all training or technique or whatever, something that anyone can attain if they try hard enough. To contrast, the S-rank heroes are (as mentioned this episode) actual inhuman monsters: freaks of nature that were born that way, possessing "talent". Naturally, there are a few exceptions, but for the most part it's like everyone through A-rank are where the humans are ranked; and then the hero association just shoves everyone else into S-rank as the class of monsters that just happen to be on their side right now.

>>927129

I would love for you to describe the difference between sounding bored and sounding monotone.

>Recycled music (not a bad thing), but the music is payed at a lower volume instead of blasting in my ears

The cockroach fight was okay, everything else is kind of terrible.

>>927162

One is flat, the other has inflection. Its the difference between i'm bored and i'm(high pitched) boooored (decreasing pitch)

Hard to explain but just compare them yourself and you will hear a huge difference.

So did the Murata manga ever actually get to the other end of the Garou fight? I dropped it as soon as the tournament started.

>>927221

He is busy padding out the hero invasion arc as much as possible. I predict we will be at Saitama vs garou in late 2020.

>>927240

Orochi didn't' even exist in ONE's version, the whole fucking thing is filler.

Also reminder that the phoenixman fight that took several chapters (including a fucking re-redrawn chapter) took 3 PANELS in the original.

>>927243

>This manga that I like is too long! It has too much content! How can this be?!?!

You sound like the kind of person who would not only give it back if a cashier accidentally handed you an extra five bucks change, but complain about it at length.

>>927274

>>This manga that I like is too long!

No one likes the redraw, but even if they did, it is a valid complaint because it ruins the pacing of the manga and pulls us away from any impact scenes would have. There's just no reason to care about saitama meeting orochi period but especially after how many chapters of useless fights and useless events, like the entire a/b/c class support squad in the beginning? When an author can't keep the story on track and bogs it down with what are objectively filler events people stop caring about the big events too. I recently re-read bleach, and while bleach had to balance something like 30 characters for the fake karakura town war it actually progressed pretty quickly because characters were given their battle, and it was done with the time each character needed. Even when battles dragged on it was bearable because each one directly engaged the plot. In this arc there was defeat all the arrancars->fight aizen. So even when a battle was about characters that you didn't care about much it wasn't objectively filler because each battle served a narrative purpose. Further the flashbacks and actions of the characters helped to further define Aizen as a character and antagonist beyond what we already knew about him. What about these events in the redraw? They aren't funny, so it can't be they were supposed to be comedy. Since murata puts a lot of emphasis on the art of the fights we might think these encounters, like sadist girl and the mooks vs sweet mask, was supposed to be an engaging action sequence, but they are all boring, so it can't be that either. Maybe it's supposed to advance the narrative? But it obviously doesn't do that, so it can't be that either. What are these events supposed to do? Nothing, it seems. They are pure filler.

>>It has too much content!

Filler isn't content.

Basically, bleach somehow outdoes the redraw at creating quality, non-filler encounters. It now manages to outdo the redraw in providing narrative to those encounters, something the webcomic was filled with. It also manages to provide more reasons for the reader to care about the events for any reason. Not even falling back on the nature of OPM as a deconstruction can excuse these failings, and anyways the redraw isn't a deconstruction anymore, not right now anyways, so it would be a moot point anyways.

Polite sage because this post is redundant information.

>>927274

>This manga that I like is too long! It has too much content! How can this be?!?!

How much of a disconnected idiot do you have to be to actually think this is someone's argument? To not understand why someone wouldn't appreciate turning a joke into a month long shonen robot battle. That someone is merely complaining about the quantity of content when the quality goes to shit. Dumb fuck.

>>927274

The manga site I am reading on has the original webcomic in English with 112 chapters.

The redrawn manga is currently at chapter 107 and at the same story point as chapter 64 of the original webcomic.

That's 43 more chapters as the original webcomic has at the same story point, yet they have not improved the quality or content of the story in any meaningful way.

>>927274

You have to be joking, I refuse to believe there exists a person genuinely so fucking stupid they believe a shitty inconsequential fight that never amounted to anything, getting dragged for months for no reason is a good thing.

>>927370

Don't bring food analogies to manga. They aren't an argument, and they just make everyone dumber for having heard them.

>>927445

It's applicable. Here's something more suitable for you.

>We should be grateful that the new [MURATA] made us wait two years for the [SHIT MANGA] while the previous [ARTIST] made the right order in minutes.

>>923798

Nah, garou's a gay nigger and unequivocally unjustified.

>>927274

>This manga that I like is too long!

Slip of the tongue, he actually meant DON'T like. The Murata secondary is so butthurt, he's starting to skip a beat.

Let us all agree: only Murata fans like S2, because neither is authentic OPM.

>>927454

One should redraw his webcomic himself with the same collaborators he had for Mob. Shaking off Murata would be his graduation into professional adulthood.

Wow /a/ really is a bunch of contrarian whinging.

I do not think I agree with all the anti-redraw padding rhethoric.

The tournament and monster invasion helped set up the Monster Organization as more than just another out of nowhere evil organization of the week. It also sets up how Hero Association is incompetent, making the rise of a new association more based in the narrative. It's ONE retroactively strengthening the future events only hinted at in the webcomic. The corruption of HA is laid out more plainly and the MO attack shows that monsters are more than just rampaging destroyers.

As for the tournament itself, it is still relevant to the overall theme of the series: just how much power do you need to be a hero, and what to do when you're the strongest. It helped flesh out Snek as more than just a rankings-crazed punching bag, it gave us more scenes with the bald bastard himself, asked questions about to what levels you are willing to stoop down on your quest for power, and what awaits you there once you do reach it.

And the thing that baffles me the most is that people assume that it's all done against ONE's will. He writes the entire damn thing, and Murata is willing to bend over backwards to accommodate him and re-draw entire issues for ONE.

It's aight. It's fine. It's good, even. It may not be as good as the webcomic pacing, but it's certainly not Naruto-tier series ruining fillers you fuckers make it out to be.

>>927672

What's the likely chances it's one fucking faggot?

>>927672

>And the thing that baffles me the most is that people assume that it's all done against ONE's will.

Seeing as ONE is a competent writer, it's be strange to think he condones turning his web comic into a mess of shonen filler. Maybe he stopped caring at one point, but I doubt he's pushing for it.

>>927672

>Murata suckups trying to shift blame

The cowardice of some people.

>this shitty endless filler will beneficial in the long run

I swear this is the same argument normalfags bring up to justify tv shows and capeshit.

>>927672

>Monster Organization as more than just another out of nowhere evil organization of the week

The MO is a parody of generic villain organizations that always pop up out of no where when the heroes need a new threat to keep being relevant. When generic monsters and monster groups were done then we get an organization, but its the same empty enemy that every hero story OPM parodies has. To expect depth from it as anything else is to misunderstand.

>just how much power do you need to be a hero

Mumen rider and Deep sea king already settled heroism and weakness. Do we really need a half assed repeat? No.

> what to do when you're the strongest

What did the tournament arc say about this that couldn't be extracted from Boros?

>>927675

You guys are as fucking idiotic as the people who think Toriyama is an amazing writer and the shit that's going on in Super wasn't also his ideas.

ONE had a great idea for a deconstruction (hate the term because it's a meme, but whatever) of an all-powerful superhero, and that was FUCKING ALL IT EVER WAS. An "idea". Something to fill a few chapters until the joke was beaten into the ground, and then end. Then he wanted to come back and make something of a cogent storyline and make better use of the secondary characters, and you get butthurt about the existence of this, as if the "idea" was ever going to continue on past that point.

OPM was never going to be a goddamn thing other than what it was. Did you expect to be entertained by a hundred chapters of the same joke repeated over and over and over? Idiotic.

>>927896

Oh, and before you come back and ad hominem me as a "Murata secondary" (as if that's even a fucking argument), I'm not. I started reading ONEs napkin-scribbles way back years ago, when I first heard about Murata redrawing it. I read up until somewhere around when Garou was first revealed because that was all that was left, and then stopped caring. I didn't even think about it (and probably never read the re-draw) until the anime started and I thought "Huh, I remember reading that..."

So you can go fuck yourself with a Metal Bat and try and come up with a better argument than inane retard insults that don't even apply to me.

>>927214

I find it difficult to believe that she couldn't just telekinetically snatch the whip out of her hand and toss it away. I mean, it's not a car, or even a human torso, it's a bit of leather. I know she was "holding back" so as not to kill her club members, but I find it hard to believe that it would require any effort for her, because it's a bit of leather.

>>927897

>before you come back and ad hominem me as a "Murata secondary"

>muh ad homo

The Murata secondary HATES his shameful title.

>>927906

The secondary is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Murata secondary and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>927896

The most interesting parts of OPM are Saitama's monologues, from his famous laconic 'Ok' to the Ozymandias inspired speech during the fight with Garou. And there's more in the Tatsumaki fight, from the webcomic, even if sometimes it's more of a matter of expressions than prose.

But you need to get there first, and fast for the comedy to work. If you pad it with action filler, you start losing sight of the discourse. Make no mistake, the action is still the thing gluing everything in the background, but it should have never become the primary focus.

>>927896

Sadly, this.

>>927902

You're asking the same thing that has haunted fans of any supernatural series, be it superheroes or fantasy or likewise. The reason why characters who have such kinds of superpowers never use then wisely is because of plot necessity. There's an endless series of circumstances where a person's power should be able to solve a situation, especially if it's as versatile as anime-level psychic power.

> why didn't ESP girl make a person's heart stop?

> why didn't ESP girl use the person's clothing as a weapon to choke them?

> why didn't ESP girl telekinetically throw someone into their air and fire them miles away at nigh-mach 1 speed?

Any fan can think of endless ways a character could have used their powers better.

>>927911

If you have a hero that can make someone's heart stop, and you name them "heart stopper", it's reasonable to ask why they're not using it at any particular point.

>>927896

This is called the scorched earth argument. When you are defeated, suggest that the battle was already lost.

Only trust those whose predictions came true.

>>927932

Yeah that's what's happening, we're busy having a fit over whether or not the webcomic or the manga was any better.

>>927947

How come you don't have any superior webcomic reaction image then?

>this adaptation of adaptation is absolutely worst thing ever! original joke was much better and it was the best thing in the world!

Ok. How about this, if you dislike it, you go and do something else instead of shitting thread with your unnecessary long bullshit?

>>927686

>What did the tournament arc say about this that couldn't be extracted from Boros?

Strength used for leisure and easy living by the chink. Boros sought a challenge, same as Saitama, but disregarded everything on his way to do that.

>>927841

>Don't tell me you actually care about this character and how he is important to the narrative of OPM compared to Saitama, Genos, or the rest of the gang

Saitama doesn't need to have character development, he's the punchline to everyone else's setup. He's set up already, the fun is to see how the world with wacky rules reacts against an unmovable object.

As for the rest of the gang, ONE is side-character crazy, that's just his style. They were sidelined in the webcomic as well.

>It is less than the original and I will have nothing less. Two years of filler compared to a chapter of brevity can really make the difference

Who cares about how long it takes. What's important, is how they handle the setups later. If they continue with the characters introduced in the tournament, it'd be worth it. If they don't, then yes, it was a filler. I do think ONE will bring at least that chink guy and sourface back, they were pretty fun.

>It is series ruining

The only real ruining it did was introducing normalfags to it, but what can you do.

I will however admit the other anti-anti-murata guy here is a shit, and has reddit spacing, so I kinda see why you fucks are being so hostile.

>>927956

All OPM memes are based off the webcomic, silly. You forgot that the super deformed Saitama and Tatsumaki are actually in One's design, aka the funny one.

But I guess your friends on reddit have a much bigger variety of epic memes, starring Soryu and Musclegirl and Orochi. Ahah!

>>928002

>3 strawmen in a single post

You rats must really feel cornered. How about you skip this site altogether, since it's toxic?

>>928007

>Saitama doesn't need to have character development, he's the punchline to everyone else's setup

Behold the mentality of the Murata secondary: since the remake has basically removed Saitama from the story, so they aknowledge that OPM is really a straight shonen about the other heroes.

When filler gets a life of its own, it is called cancer.

>>928002

> if you dislike it, you go and do something else

If you don't like our comments, why not go to another thread? Or another board? I bet reddit would zealously defend Murata's honor.

Well what do you know, they actually finished the damn tournament, between all that jumping between like 4-5 different storylines.

>>928500

On one hand I'm glad it didn't drag on for too many episodes, but on the other hand I don't think I'd miss anything if the last couple episodes were removed entirely.

>>928509

This episode was pretty bad. This studio can't do action scenes right. Half of the beatdowns are just still images with lots of hit effects on top.

The last time I read Murata's redraw, he was just starting the tournament arc. I remember being confused because I had already read most of Garou's arc from the webcomic but there was nothing else to go on.

Then I started reading all about people complaining about this filler tournament arc, then about Suiryu and the only thing I spoiled myself about was the panel where he's asking for someone to save him.

This arc played very differently than it did in my head. The way I imagined it was

> tournament advances to semi finals

> monster attacks and interrupts it,

> he causes either an explosion or a lot of wind

> Saitama loses his wig

> Saitama prioritizes looking for his wig to keep Charanko out of trouble over the monster because he doesn't see him as a big deal at all and there's a lot of supposedly strong people to take care of it anyways

> monster makes everyone job and beats down Suiryu

> Saitama/Charanko saves the day

Instead I got something much worse.

< Tournament drag on, repeating the same joke at every level (Saitama misses the fights by going to the bathroom, goes for his next fight, one-shots his oponent)

< Suiryu is made super unlikable just so he can be set up for failure later

< Saitama vs Suiryu is a terrible fight, pretty much ripping off Saitama vs Genos's

< Void fist style doesn't have any cool techniques at all

< It ends with a butt hit because Saitama so stronk XD instead of a proper punch

< And it's animated like shit on top of that.

This season has less frames per second than the manga. There's just no good justification for wasting any more time watching this absolute garbage. Pick any scene or episode from season 1 and it's so much better than the current shit it's infuriating.

>>927672

You're just empirically wrong. What set the monster association apart from the rest of the Sea King, Sky King, etc groups is that there are no jobbers in the MA. Every other webcomic line describing the MA says they're "composed of only monsters class demon and above". Hell I think there's only 10 or 11 monsters total in the MA and each one of them is memorable. All the other monster groups in OPM have 1 King that's actually strong and 10-20 jobbers for the non-saitama heroes to defeat.

Adding a bunch of pointless scrubs to the MA is nothing but filler and a way for Murata to show off his ultra-cool side character drawing skills.

I don't know if all the filler shit is just Murata's fault or if ONE wrote it all himself, but either way it's shit and the manga should just have been a straight re-draw with minor to no story changes.

>>928532

You should have at least read the rest of the tournament before seeing how S2 represents it. Not saying you would enjoy the murata-tournament more, but that you would see how much worse the tournament looks and was played out.

I don't even care for suiryu one way or another, but most of the frames with him looked like he was a non-detailed background character in a moderate budget anime. It's insane it's this bad.

>>928548

I did but it didn't change much my opinion overall. I never liked the Murata redrawn manga. What I liked about Murata's OPM were the cool webcomic drawing sequences, which were gutted by the manga format.

Has it ever happened that a series is so bad, it gets aborted midway and ends right there? Because I heard reports of several who suffered losses and barely avoided getting cancelled, but I always assumed that would have taken effect by the end of the season.

Metal bat, Garou, Fubuki and even King are characters more interesting than Saitama. Is it on purpose and only to show us that an ordinary and boring bald man turned himself into the most powerful hero?

tldr: all others heroes have a nice background and even so, Saitama is the main character

>>929714

>tldr: all others heroes have a nice background and even so, Saitama is the main character

I feel like all discussion about OPM should have an auto-reply bot that replies with thatsthejoke.jpg

>>929944

But then they ended on a shitty cliffhanger yet again. Whatshisname wasn't exactly set up as a serious opponent anyway, the big guy just walked away before Saitama arrived, now they'll drag out next episode with this fight, then not have anything else happen.

Saitama vs Gouketsu fan-art

I loved the first season of OPM. It was well-written, unique, animated beautifully, and was one of the rare anime series that gained mainstream acclaim worldwide. Every episode of the original OPM was a treat to watch and it all came together perfectly in the end. The much hyped villain was no match for Saitama and Saitama's quest to find an actual challenge continued. The characters were well written as well, and it was able to juggle over a dozen main characters and not come off as shallow.

Season 2 is dreadfully boring. The animation is such a step down from last season, as are the characters and plot. The "hero-hunter" Garou is a joke character, terribly written, and in episode 3 or 4 (I can't remember, they are all so boring and generic) he ends up running into Saitama and is dispatched with no effort. It was stupid to have them meet up like that and kill any hope of a character being a match for Saitama. I don't care if Garou levels up or whatever, he lost all of his mystery and power (much like the new Star Wars trilogy where Kylo Ren is just a joke all around).

There are too many characters that are written poorly and two-dimensional. Saitama is such an afterthought in this season as well. Why was this written and directed so poorly?

This is how you kill a franchise. I'm five episodes in and I am done - I can't see how they can save this season with only 7 more episodes (around 2 and a half hours of actual episode) because they wrote Garou so poorly.

>>931278

>This is how you kill a franchise. I'm five episodes in and I am done - I can't see how they can save this season with only 7 more episodes (around 2 and a half hours of actual episode) because they wrote Garou so poorly.

It won't die, it just won't live up to its potential. Shueisha decided that OPM isn't worth the cost. Its manga sales and merch are enough for it. They went big with S1 by giving it to Madhouse to stir up hype and it paid off. Now they want to pull a DBS and fork the money for a low cost show so they can pull in fan-loyalty money.

> new media is out

> it has X label on it

> I must buy it even though it is low quality

This is simply all about cashing in. If they could sell a new season by airing a blank screen and an occassional voice line delivered by a robot voice, they would, even if it means they would get about 100 yen out of it. These publishers aren't thinking about bringing in new fans. They want to see how much they can soak up by spending the least amount of money on new media.

To really emphasize, publishers with even semi-popular shonen series saw how Toei cashed in on DBS by having it animated by low-rent koreans. They want that kind of return. OPM S2 is just one of the casualties in an overlooked trend. Why spend the money needed for spectacular fights when you can sell animation that undervalues the action it should be depicting?

You're better off reading the manga/webcomic. S1 was basically the epitome of a 1:1 manga adaption. The webcomic takes a very brief adjustment but is worth it.

>>931335

>he ends up running into Saitama and is dispatched with no effort. It was stupid to have them meet up like that and kill any hope of a character being a match for Saitama.

I think you just got trolled.

>>927243

He existed, but was not really a factor. It was the psycho monster pulling his strings.