/a/ - Animu & Mango

Wada did a new version of Butter-fly for it before he died from cancer.

It got kind of okay in the second half. But a lot of that is probably just that the first half set the bar so low. Battles were kind of cool, but there wasn't enough focus on action or plot or even actual character development. Too much of it was wasted on the new character who came in to steal the show and have everyone love her immediately for no reason. Biggest Mary Sue since Soy Wars.

My favorite moment was in the fourth movie, I think, when everyone went Ultimate Level and they played an extended version of Brave Heart. It was basically five straight minutes of evolutions, but even Tri couldn't ruin that song.

>>912644

Toei is, hands down, the worst studio. Yugioh's creator did the right thing and demanded his work go to an actual studio. Looks like whoever created Digimon just didn't care enough.

>>912561

>Tri gave Wada cancer.

>>912839

>One of the worst and that I rarely see people talking about is how they fucked up the "first" digidestined. When they were mentioned in first season by Leomon I believe people wondered who were they and what did they do. Well according to Tri they basically didn't do jackshit since the Digiworld still got fucked anyway and not only that but what happens to them in Tri really sucked.

I don't mind it as much, since they're not really the "first." There are tons of groups of Chosen Chidren before. That was just one other group. I found it kind of cool that they were the Holy Beasts. But yeah, could have been done better.

>after teaching the world digimons can be dangerous which is something that the world already fucking knows since digimon already showed up in the real world and cased major destruction before. Yay. Fucking waste of time.

This one really bugged me. These particular Chosen Children were world famous celebrities. Everyone saw their giant kaiju battle with Vamdemon, after he took over all of Tokyo. Everyone saw the Digital World appear in the sky and the kids fly up into it and fight the Dark Masters and Apocalymon. Everyone saw them travel the world and team up with a ton of other kids with Digimon on Christmas day, 2002.

Oh yeah, everyone also all forgot that Digimon had become relatively common, with tons of Chosen Children all over the world. And all of those Chosen Children only became such because they personally witnessed the battles with Vamdemon, The Dark Masters, and Diablomon. And they explicitly were not all the people who saw. So if anything, by this point we should have an exponentially growing number of Chosen Children, until everyone has a Digimon, as seen in the epilogue of 02 (say what you want, but that one aspect does follow logically). But no, in Tri everyone acts as if nobody knows about Digimon, and nobody saw the Japanese Chosen Children save the world like five times. I can buy that they handwave away the 02 kids just because they don't want them to be in the story, but they didn't even handwave away everyone else's knowledge of Digimon.

>As much as that season sucked and the epilogue is one of the worst things I ever seen you can't just pretend the characters don't exist with the bullshit they pulled off to make the movie to give room to the old characters and...Meiko. Wait you're screwing with entire season 2 cast to give room to a Mary Sue? Which doesn't make sense since one of the things people love about those seasons are the main human characters they already know and grow up with? Yeah very fucking stupid but it's what they did.

To be fair, they do try to handwave away the 02 cast. They give an explanation, just a clumsy one. But yes, they then instead focus on a brand new character instead of the old cast that they got rid of the 02 cast for. And it's not like stuff from 02 wasn't important, since Ken keeps showing up.

The one thing that makes me hopeful for the sequel to Tri is the fact that at the end they briefly mention Demon. Anyone who has read V-Tamer 01 knows Demon is cool as fuck, and 02 wasted him. If the sequel can deal with some of that deeper lore stuff, like Demon or Millenniummon, I'm on board. But no, it will probably just be all about Meiko again. Millenniummon would probably be a Tamers thing anyway, since that's where Ryo lives now.

If they were any good they'd do multiverse stuff and give me a goddamn Ryo movie, or at least have him as a character in an Adventure/Tamers crossover. But I know I'm getting my hopes much too high now.

>>912839

Yeah. Even though I didn't like Season 2, what tri did was trash. They made something even worse than Season 2 in less episodes but it was spread over a longer period of time. Even if you watch it now (why would you), you can definitely feel the padded length of the episodes and wasted potential of this shitshow.

Tri makes me appreciate Season 2 more like how TLJ made me appreciate the prequels more. They don't retroactively become good but you understand better how much worse it could've gotten. I enjoyed Appli Monsters more even though I had some problems with it losing its own main plot halfway through but it at least had fun with itself. More so than I can say for Tri.

Maybe it was just nostalgia but I liked it a lot. I've been waiting for something like this since pretty much 2003. It had it's weaknesses though, parts of it seemed like just making the entire thing longer by some of the characters causing turmoil by stupid behaviour (which is not exactly a new thing to digimon adventure but it's still stupid).

>>912839

>What they did with the characters of season 2 was absolutely unforgivable.

Yes. That was stupid too.

>>912913

Always saw 02 somewhere in the middle as a kid. Technically Tamers was better but the D:A universe was more comfy. Actually watching a episode or two of it when I'm bored as I've just rewatched the first season. It's a really pain if you only have the english version. What they did to both the dialogs and the music (what were they thinking? Digimon adventure originally had a kickass sountrack) is unforgivable. Those two things destroy so much of the athmosphere, I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it.

>>913642

Is it really nostalgia though? Toei always reboots everything. GeGeGe no Kitaro has like 8 different reboots by now.

Off-topic but did anyone get why TK kept making incest quips at his brother on multiple occasions? It was by far the only interesting thing about the movies. What was the deal there?

>>914474

Hey man. I can't help the incest direction they decided to take. It's definitely there and definitely deliberate.

>>913642

I hope they pretend tri never happened but I know it's a hard task.

>>918224

Tri didn't fuck up the story in non-fixable ways. Just don't continue with its fucking stupid tone. Actually do something more in line with Adventure. You know, something with an actual plot and character development instead of just bad attempts at Mary Sue waifubaiting. Original Adventure had top tier waifus without needing to make them Mary Sues. Granted, Hikari kind of was (though not even close to Mei) but she was worst waifu anyway.

>>919125

At the end of Tri, Gennai mentions something about Demon, plus also Diaboromon but I don't care as much about him. If they at least touch on the Demon plot again and wrap that up, I'll be interested. Also, Demon from the manga is the coolest and I want to see some of that.

So much of Tri revolved around Yggdrasil and Homeostasis anyway, which is mega autistic shit that someone who only knows Adventure wouldn't understand at all. You really need to know much later stuff to understand any of that. If they're gonna go that autistic, they might as well just go all the way and do Millenniummon. Do a full Adventure/Tamers crossover about it, since those are the only series anyone likes anyway, and those are the two related to Millenniummon.

>>912874

They really had an interesting idea with Ryo but it was fucked up from the start...I mean...who the fuck plays in a wonderswan? That alone already fucked any "chance" the character would have outside of Japan.

>>923158

That's precisely why they should try to do an anime or manga adaptation of those stories. I suppose that train sailed a long time ago, though. Still, I don't think the creators give a fuck about anything outside Japan, hencing making 02 largely a sequel to Tag Tamers, and then making Ryo a fairly important character in Tamers.

>>927168

They could always re-release the Wonderswan games to reintroduce Ryo alongside an adaptation. I doubt Bamco would have much trouble as they developed and produced the games for their console.

>>912554

The entire cast singing Butterfly.

>>912554

Not having the obnoxious adventure 2 kids or their equally retarded digimon in is the only thing they did right but they of coarse cucked out and did not kill them off or retcon season 2 entirely. Adventure 2 is objectively worse than tri in my honest opinion.

>>912571

>Biggest Mary Sue since Soy Wars

Is she a Marysue? I think she falls short because she isn't flawless all she did in tri was cry, her autistic digimon was broken and was eventually put down. The fact they pushed really hard for this random chick to be accepted is exactly the same thing they did in season 2 with the nu-kidz at least this time with tri its only 1 new annoying, inferior, knock off character that does not replace the main characters.

>>929318

>Adventure 2 is objectively worse than tri in my honest opinion.

Your honest opinion is objectively retarded.

>Is she a Marysue? I think she falls short because she isn't flawless all she did in tri was cry, her autistic digimon was broken and was eventually put down.

No. You see those things as flaws, but they are not intended to be seen as such. Mary Sues have tons of flaws, but what makes it bad is the dissonance between the flaws you see and the story's refusal to acknowledge them as flaws.

>The fact they pushed really hard for this random chick to be accepted is exactly the same thing they did in season 2 with the nu-kidz at least this time with tri its only 1 new annoying, inferior, knock off character that does not replace the main characters.

Having new protagonists is not quite the same thing. You wouldn't get mad about something like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure having a mostly new cast with each arc. Now I get that you're trying to argue the 02 kids were simply bad protagonists, but I really find it hard to think anyone was as bad as Mei. And half the runtime wasn't dedicated to the original cast jerking them off. We are simply told that Mei is so great, over and over again, but are never shown. The 02 kids at least do stuff, and there is that element of passing the torch (which doesn't even work out since they chicken out and make the original kids more important by the end, to the show's benefit), but a couple episodes trying to establish how these kids also embody certain crests isn't nearly as bad as how they all just keep saying Mei is so great for no reason for the entire series.

Soy Wars tries to do, plot-wise, something similar to 02, with new protagonists being passed the torch, but that doesn't inherently make them mary sues. What does is the series just telling us they're great without justifying it.

>>933179

>No, the entirety of Adv.2 was the writers jerking off the nu-kids over how great and better than the original characters they were while humbling the original kids.

I'm gonna have to disagree. Other than Ken, who was shown to be the best at tons of things to make him a threatening villain, and then lost all those powers when he became a good guy, the other characters are shown to be newbies who slowly become as good as the originals, but not better, so they still need the originals around in the final bunch of episodes, where they all work together. They never really treat them as better than the originals, they just come up with a plot reason to write out the originals, and then write them back in by the end. Takeru and Hikari are also shown to be better, especially at the start, due to them not being new.

>Adventure 2 was hung up on Adventure 1 to the point where it revolves around Adv. 1 references & the old characters (human, Digimon and other) without of course giving people what they actually want more Adv. 1 that is the old kids kicking ass.

But it does. Especially by the end. And even at the start, when only Takeru and Hikari are particularly important, with the others only having spotlight episodes, it's still a similar tone and style, which Tri lacks.

Soy Wars goes out of its way to make its characters seem better than the originals at everything. 02 does not. Go ahead and argue you'd prefer if they didn't have the new kids, I get that, but the way they're handled is totally different and way better than Soy Wars or Mei from Tri.

>Yes, I love the part where the original kids could not evolve their digimon anymore (power retcon)

Not really a retcon, just explaining that stuff happened between seasons to depower them. Then they get their power back later. It's just for the sake of restarting the power levels and not making people wonder why the first episode wasn't already dealing with threats more powerful than Omegamon.

>This not only renders the original kids (as in Adv.1) irrelevant since anyone can not only exhibit exactly the same traits in a way to allow Digimon to evolve but the idea that they can hold many traits on top of this is ridiculous as it trivializes the concept of digidestines (the internationalism later in Adv. 2 further does this). Whereas in Adv. 1 I recall there was a fear that the digidestined might lose the traits that they were chosen for.

>Digidestinies

dubfags GET OUT

But furthermore, the kids in Adventure 1 did lose the traits, between the first movie and the first episode, and then had to gain them back. Anyone could. But we've already done that arc and don't need to see it again. Instead they do other stuff with them. I don't really see the problem. I'm not going to argue it's as good as Adventure 1, but it doesn't make the other ones irrelevant. Adventure 1 already describes that there were earlier Chosen Children, and the way they were chosen, which was because they had already witnessed Digimon in the first movie. Due to events of Adventure 1, lots of other people were exposed to Digimon and thus could become Chosen Children as well. It all fits with the Adventure 1 lore. I get that you're arguing it makes them seem less special, but I disagree. There are still problems that they in particular are called to deal with. I'm sure the other people have their own things going on as well. Just because Batman exists that doesn't mean Superman isn't special anymore. They all have their own things going on.

>Adventure 02 is worse than Tri because shippers got butthurt that their ships didn't work out

Faggot.

>>933341

At this point it's just better to ignore Adventurefags and specially dubnigger Adventurefags, they are the cancer ruining Digimon.

Also The Biggest Dreamer=Target>Butterfly

>>912644

Tamers is incredibly over rated. It has a decent start, then fails to use it's card gimmick after five episodes. The middle is like pulling teeth and it's not until the final ten episodes that it gets it's shit together and does anything of value. Tamers really needed to lose about 25 episodes.

>>912839

The 02 cast should have appeared in the finale. When everyone is fighting swarms of Digimon there is no reason why Daisuke and Veemon couldn't have dragged themselves into the street outside the hospital and defended some people caught up in the mess. It would of been like 20 seconds of film time and would of shown at least a hint of respect for the cast.

>>912874

Ryo's been replaced by Mirai in the games. I would expect her to appear as the universe hopper over him.

>>934669

>fails to use it's card gimmick after five episodes.

>Tamers

Its literally used the entire first arc to explore the kids personalities and to make them do stuff during combat other than just stand around, what are you on about?

>>939183

I remember the Adventure 2 dub as the mess most people agree it was, but how was the original? Did it get Digimon Movie'd as well or was it a mess from the start?

>>939186

You don't give a fuck about it when you're a kid, and those who did will lead a bitter life to the end.

>>939186

The English dub generally is garbage throughout, but no, 02's problems completely stem from it being a total mess originally

>>939183

02 is an awful trainwreck no matter how you look at it and Frontier is just bad

>>939319

>02 is an awful trainwreck no matter how you look at it and Frontier is just bad

<No matter how you look at it

Sorry, I don't judge kids stuff with adult eyes.