/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>882687

Damn, I haven't read this yet, but looks interesting.

>>882687

I loved reading the manga. Though I'm quite fond of the premise and those like it.

Like I've been reading 'Circle Zero's Otherwordly Hero Business' which is about a chad businessman reincarnated as a busty, blonde noble girl. For koreashit, I'm enjoying it a whole bunch.

Katarina is cuter, though.

>>882691

Yeah, I'm currently following that one and am loving it (currently following an unholy amount of isekai manga). I prefer this manga a lot more, but the other is pretty awesome. I'm not sure however if it's still being translated.

>>882687

Worser version of Kenkyo Kenjitsu, it starts great but then starts crashing with no survivors, as the plot vanishes and it becomes episodic garbage.

t. I've read the Novel and the Manga

>>882692

I should be shocked that a thread about a fucking isekai has popped up on /a/ but I'm not. Whatever, keep wallowing in filth if that's what works for you.

>>882699

Eh, isekai can be good if done right. This isn't your standard "beta MC becomes god in another world" type shit. I haven't read it, but it looks interesting. Stop being such an elitist faggot and give things a chance every now and then.

>>882703

Last response was meant for >>882699

>>882703

It's surprisingly very fun. Katarina's obliviousness is charming, usually characters like her annoy me but I admire her diligence.

>I am Katarina Claes, the eight-year-old daughter of a Duke.

So is she a loli, or not? Because she looks like a late twenties hag here:

>>882687

>>882692

>>882709

She's 8 at the beginning, then ages to 15 during the manga

>>882696

I greatly enjoyed Kami-sama's antics. It's not good, but it's enjoyable, heart warming, and gives a good chuckle every now and then.

>>882706

Spoiler that please, too spooky for me.

>>882703

>But I believe in time her majesty will bless even yourself.

Have you read what I said? I've read the whole novel and it just stales and goes downhill.

Think of something like Kumo.

With that insatiable farming drive and all those powerful connections she's fostering it's only a mater of time before she ends up becoming the head of the Claes Agricultural Cooperative global agricultural empire.

>>882719

I keep hearing that it's good, I haven't gotten that fair in yet myself. I'm really enjoying it though.

>>882721

I was just making a bad joke/giving a little banter. Probably doesn't translate well via text.

>>882727

I never read light novels, and the last time I read books is when I was 8. What's the appeal of light novels? Do I really want them in my life?

>>882729

>last time I read books is when I was 8

You really need to read more. It's good for you. You do have to read non-fiction stuff, though. Get that knowledge inside you, but LNs are a must in your life too if you enjoy fun.

Personally I prefer Reika Sana but this one was a fun read too. I just don't like reverse harems much.

>>882713

>Spoiler that please

You should know that you only have to close your eyes.

>>882725

Well, I finished all the available manga chapters and going through the LN, so to me, it's good stuff.

>>882769

>it's an otome game isekai #5436347347

Are they really that common? I've never seen one before. Maybe I should get into girly manga more.

>>882778

>Being this much of a newfag

Are you OP, perhaps?

https://www.novelupdates.com/?s=otome&post_type=seriesplans

Currently, this here is the "Queen", the "Goddess" of such genre:

https://www.novelupdates.com/series/kenkyo-kenjitsu-o-motto-ni-ikite-orimasu/

This here is OP's novel:

https://www.novelupdates.com/series/i-reincarnated-into-an-otome-game-as-a-villainess-with-only-destruction-flags/

Let's see what people talk about it, shall we?

>This novel has a problem with character development as well, and not just with the MC. The other characters are given very little chapters to change and develop through the female lead and afterwards they don't seem to develop any further. It comes off as unrealistic, as development is something slow. I can forgive a few characters opening up and developing after a few interactions with the female lead, but it turns questionable when all of the characters go through the same formula. Not to mention, it also becomes a bore. After reading these four volumes, all of their personalities start to blend together. If not for one or two pre-established details about them, I wouldn't be able to tell them apart.

<At first I gave it a 5, because it is one of the earliest novel within this type of genre and set up. I thought it offered a very interesting plot. I kept up reading it until the fourth volume. However, since around the third volume, I already started to think that it is getting boring. The story moves very very very slow. I know it is supposed to be a slice of life, however it is too much that it got boring, especially when the author is also pushing it too far for creating the harem where every single character, man or woman, are made to fall in love with the MC. The biggest flaw in this novel is that the author stretching the story too much but without giving a proper character development. Yes. It has zero character development for the MC and very little happened for the other characters as well. The MC was amusing and funny and a little bit silly (which got her nickname bakarina) but now she becomes extremely foolish and annoying. I consider dropping this at the moment. I would better use my time to read other more interesting novels.

So, yeah, newfaggotry of you guys.

>>882780

No, I mean, like idol shit, I've never paid much attention to the isekai genre, except for Konosuba, I guess.

>>882780

Yea all that is pretty much true. The harem and it's lack of any interesting characters after the timeskip are what turned me off of it. All of them become nearly indistinguishable by the end.

I made it to the end out of my obligation to finish a series more than anything else.

That said, it still had plenty of turn your brain off fun in it.

I think Barakarina, much like Konosuba, works because they are comedies instead of a shounen/seinen power trip.

Isekai about overpowered protagonists played straight are a dime a dozen and aren't that interesting since it's mostly the author fellating their self insert, adding generic skills which they aren't going to use anyway, but much like diamonds in a puddle of mud, comedy isekai like the aforementioned two (where the MC has no remarkable power) or the Putin one (God bless the President) don't take themselves or their kin seriously, thus breaking free from their shackles of conformity and being able to riff on fantasy/otomege standards.

>>882687

Now I've read through the 35 chapters, which I assume are vols 1 and 2 or maybe a web novel. I liked it quite a bit, but for some reason when she went back to the old world, I couldn't help thinking of her and A-chan being 3DPD schoolgirls. In either case, I the complaint that the characters aren't deep enough is weird, since this is obviously a comedy precisely about how she's a harem protagonist. This isn't like SAO or some shit, where the MC is an unironic beta faggot who has a harem for no reason. Plus, being nice actually works on men, so it's really not that weird.

>>882719

Well, I've read more or less all of what is currently translated, it's good, the manga skips a lot of shit for the sake of getting to the school arc as fast as possible. I'd say you should give it a try.

>>882976

>I've read 95% of the isekai manga available right now,

I find this very hard to believe from a purely statistical point of view, even if you're referring only to English translated content.

>>882982

I used a bit of hyperbole, point is that I very rarely find an English isekai that I haven't at least tried before; mind you I only use 3 different manga sites and then there's the manwha to consider. Translator's are good, but small teams, each handling 5-10 different monthly manga don't produce content faster than I can read it; especially as most series die off before reading 10 chapters.

But who knows? Maybe there's thousands I've overlooked because of bad tagging and/or a bad synopsis.

>>882976

What's your opinion on "Observation Record of a Self-proclaimed Villainess’ Fiance"? I think the narration from the main target's perspective, as opposed to the isekai'd Villainess is refreshing with respects to both isekai and otome game formats (although, I'll admit I'm not exactly well versed in the latter).

>>883022

It's not bad but all the translations are irritating to read and the protagonist is so dense it hurts sometimes

I like how it bothers to justify why she gets a harem. Pretty much every new acquisition is followed by a chapter explaining why what she said to them was exactly what they needed to hear. Too bad the manga cut those out, and the anime probably will too.

Does she count as a cake, since mentally she has an extra 17 years? Even at the start when she's physically eight, that puts her squarely at the threshold of cakedom. Technically, she could be considered both a loli and a cake at the same time.

>>883599

>Does she count as a cake, since mentally she has an extra 17 years?

Mentally speaking, she's way below the other characters who are her age. Her personality didn't mature at all across the story, nor did she grew smarter. I'd say it's more like a loli on the outside and a mentally handicapped person on the inside.

Hopefully the anime will get the series enough attention for the rest of the series to be translated.

>>883651

I could forgive some degree of denseness. Otome game characters aren't going to be the most vivid and lifelike characters in fiction, so even being trucked into their world it would be hard at first to think of them as people, and as romantic interests. Plus she's expressly not the one they're "destined" to love; when you know for a fact that the world you are in is also someone's work of fiction, destiny's a pretty easy thing to believe in. Compounding that is the age gap. Even if she's mentally below them, in terms of memory she's much older; triple their age when she meets them, and still more than double by the time they reach the game's period. She expressly mentions when first meeting them that she can't feel the same attraction she felt to their game version because they're so much younger; evidently she's not a shotacon.

But when it gets to the point of volume 3, where her kidnapper pins her on the bed and starts kissing her neck, and she STILL doesn't realize her chastity is in danger, it makes me pissed off at her clinical retardation.

I can only guess that the transfer damaged her. Her 17-year-old mind would have been mostly developed when she died. Cram it into an 8-year-old's brain and not everything works properly. Then, since her mind is already 17+8, it doesn't mature with her child brain to regain the lost capability. She's not fit to be a Duchess, nor a Queen. It would be best for the kingdom if Maria won the Bakabowl and took her away to settle down on some farm, and left the nobles to do nobility things.

Christ, I hate this new era of "it's fine when a girl does it" garbage, just re-hashing all the old tripe but just changing the sex.

>>884207

Explain, are you talking about isekai or something else? Because this character is leagues apart from the standard isekai trash beta MC who just runs around carelessly killing shit and getting bitches.

>>884229

Well, while Bakarina doesn't kill anyone, you can't deny she runs around carelessly getting bitches from either sex.

>>884535

This, is basically the "beta male getting all the pussy" trope all over again, but this time it's your "waifu" doing that (if you consider her that) while cucking you with her harem.

Basically, she's in a male MC role while everyone else is a girl craving her feminine penis, including the people in this thread already sucking her balls.

>>884544

What anon seems to be saying is that, regardless of sex, harems are shit. I cannot disagree.

>>884207

But it is. Being nice works when a girl does it and doesn't make her seem beta because that doesn't exist for women.

>>884595

There are beta girls alright, you just don't know women enough

"Being nice" is not what she does, she's pretty (this is extremely important) while she demonstrates interest in others (fullfiling their neediness) while not being needy herself.

You can tell by this story what kind of person the author is, someone who created a character to fullfil other's lack of attention and resolve their personal problems.

Basically, MC was created to fullfil the author's wishes of wanting someone like her is his life, as she's everything he wanted in his life and didn't get - someone to give him attention, to solve his problems, to love him, etc.

The author is a complete beta and projects himself in the characters.

She's an omega girl, by the way.

Alpha girls are another department altogether.

I think that this genre of "reincarnated as a villainess" could take a page out of the "My death flags show no sign of ending" book and force the protag to be an evil sounding or acting person more.

>>884655

This is a complete dependent and repulsive attitude.

It's like you're making you happiness and mental health dependent, linked, tied, to another person.

That's actually what most abusive relationships are, and to see such attitude in a man is repulsive.

In the end, you're just a needy faggot.

>>884708

What kind of life do you want to live if you find the idea of the person you love making you happy to be repulsive?

>>884746

I thought the implication was that the unlockable secret love interest was Katarina

>>884746

As someone who has read the novel, yes, this is true. He is the final member of the harem.

>>884758

>final

Nope. She still has a couple more to pick up, including her fiance's brother's fiancee.

The third volume offers an explanation of some of Bakarina's baka-ness. One of the other POVs mentions briefly that she drinks wine the same way she eats food.

>>884753

That's not the point, you're either a retard or is trying to save your skin by being obnoxious.

We're talking about dependence.

>>884770

>that's not the point

It was your point; you literally said it's repulsive to want someone to love you, help you with your problems, and give you attention. You said it's repulsive to gain happiness from another person.

People call their lover their "partner" for a reason. There is nothing wrong with helping and relying on each other.

> trying to save your skin

I'm not the same anon you were talking to.

>>884775

>It was your point; you literally said it's repulsive to want someone to love you, help you with your problems, and give you attention.

I didn't say that, see how you're retarded? you didn't understand what I wrote, and I literally didn't write that.

I said that creating a character with the explicit goal of fixing you, to have a depended relationship where you must be saved by a token goddess, a girl which you put in a pedestal because your existence and happiness is tied to her is repulsive.

I was talking about the mechanisms of abusive relationships.

>>884777

>Oh! But that isn't Katarina!

That's exactly how she made everyone fall in love with her.

>>884777

>you must be saved by a token goddess, a girl which you put in a pedestal

Now you're just making shit up. Nobody said anything about that. What you called repulsive was wanting, in your own words, "someone to give him attention, to solve his problems, to love him".

That aside, are we even reading the same series? She's an idiot monkey who can't do anything. What makes her endearing is that in SPITE of that, she's kind and good at saying what people need to hear.

The only time she's put on a pedestal is as a joke to contrast against the real her.

>>884780

>Nobody said anything about that

How not? Look at her harem.

>What you called repulsive was wanting, in your own words, "someone to give him attention, to solve his problems, to love him".

I'm talking about dependence, the NEED.

>That aside, are we even reading the same series? She's an idiot monkey who can't do anything.

She's not the problem herself, but the author's will and his projection in the harem.

>>884782

>but the author's will and his projection in the harem.

One thing I'd like to add about this is that the author basically created a story about his waifu, in a manner I described here >>884777 and the harem characters, who began as mere stereotype standard ones, are just many facets of him who are blending together now and losing their uniqueness (one of the easiest ways to se how the author is killing the characters' individualities and putting more and more of himself on them, unconsciously).

Many people realized this in the Web Novel, and that's why the story staled, he's writing his waifu interacting with him in many ways now, and this isn't a story.

>>884789

I haven't reached that part in the story yet, hopefully it isn't a big deal for me when I get to that point.

>>884872

>No shit, that's all fiction.

No, author can give a life of their own to characters, but bad authors can't, so they look like the author, you can see the author in the character.

>See fantasy novels written by men and the unrealistic way the women in the stories behave.

I'm well aware and I'm a critic of that.

>We read fiction for escapism and "what if",

Who are "we"? I don't read for these motives, for once.

>not because we wanna watch some hypergamous slut with self-diagnosed bipolar bitch about her friends behind their backs.

This is not a dichotomy.

>>884876

No one here hates her or is speaking ill of her.

People here are criticizing the author and the story.

>>884767

Isn't Schizo-kun the last member to be harem'd though? I thought everyone else was already conquered and helped out at the end.

>>884910

He's the last in volume 2, but there are more in later volumes.

>>884924

>Woman dies of massive head trauma

>Is constantly planting vegetables

I buy it.

>>886010

God I hope so.

>>886010

Maria is on the yuri route, but that isn't a part of the game any more than the Katarina harem in general. This Katarina is just breaking the game.

Katarina in the game was meant to be nothing more than a cunt who gets in the way, so you feel satisfied when she reaches her destruction end. She's not "bad in a hot way" like the capture targets were meant to be, just bad.

I can't decide what route I want it to end with.

The fact that she's already betrothed means that any route but Jared is literal NTR, but I don't like or trust him. He may not be the same as he was in the game, but he's still got a sadistic side hidden away. While I can't blame him for it with how many people are out to steal his fiancee, I still don't find that route appealing.

Harem is out for many reasons. Most individual routes, like the de-black magicked secret character, are too boring. Alan and Mary both raise the same issue as Jared. Keith gets rejected on principle since fake, non-blood-related "incest" a shit.

Maria is honestly probably the best option, but again, it's technically NTR.

>>886045

Previous game MC is the one with the best shot, since every time they're alone together Katarina gets charmed.

>>886045

I remember Catarina said her friend who played the game told her about a super secret route which could be unlocked under precises conditions so it could very well be the yuri route.

So I finally gave into OP's autism and read the manga. It's decent for now. Not sure how long it can stay interesting though.

>>886108

Read the LN. It's not the most engaging story, but it's lots of fun, and I really like her character. Stupid but kind girls really do something for me.