/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>878360

You're late. Those episodes get released on the 1st of each month.

>>878360

This is the only real Fate anime, one that successful captures the feel of an aspect of the original VN. Namely all the prolonged cooking and eating scenes. It even features the original cast, and not a bunch of random mass-produced waifus based off historical figures. As far as a general Nasuverse thread goes, the Nasuverse is dead, as much as it pains me to say it. Mahoyo will never be finished, the Tsukihime bastardization will never be released, FGO will continue to rake in made profits for the foreseeable future, Nasu will never write anything of substance again, Takeuchi's old style, the one he was good at, is gone, and will never be drawn again, supplanted by his infinite 'variations' on the Saberface. There will be no Sacchin route, SHIKI will never be playable in Melty Blood, the rest of DDD will remain unwritten, all the cool lore Nasu put out will be swept under the rug. Angel Notes remains the best thing Nasu has ever written, everyone should read it (multiple copies of Evospace's English translation uploaded in HTML to various sites, easily Googleable) but no one will. The mix of tragedy and beauty Nasu worked into the story-world he was weaving is gone forever, drown out in a deluge of Fate-whoring and gachashit profits.

>>880008

>The mix of tragedy and beauty Nasu worked into the story-world he was weaving is gone forever, drown out in a deluge of Fate-whoring and gachashit profits.

It almost makes me miss my own timeline where the Fate franchise never received any sort of translation except for Fate Zero. Perhaps that was a better world.

Since we have to wait a month for the next episode why don't we play a game. Take a gag servant, insert them into a Nasuverse story and use the gag for something serious.

>Fate route

>Shirou summons Okita instead of Arturia

>Okita defeats Lancer and Archer just as Arturia does but is seized by a coughing fit, proclaiming she's fine

>Story advances to Medusa fight

>Pegasus swoops in close to Okita

>Okita unleashes her noble phantasm

>Immediately after is seized by a coughing fit

>Take her home, no signs of stopping

>Try to piggyback to Kirei's

>Get's kidnapped by Illya with Saber being forced to watch, not rested enough to do anything

>>880008

I hate these complaints, because they're only half accurate. Tragedy has always been part of Nasu's stuff, but only insofar as it brings up a second thing: hope. It's why nearly every route has a good ending - because after everything terrible that happens, there's still a bright new day on the other side of the horizon, as long as you fight for it. You can see that as early as KnK: The entire reason the story continues past Araya is to show that Shiki and Mikiya can eventually have a happy ending. Yes, it involves a lot of pain, and a lot of sacrifice. Humans are sinners, and they suffer from those sins. But they can also be heroes.

Fate in the F/GO age is not the massive departure people claim it is. The same core thesis is there; rather, the change has been made to the scale. F/GO is about dealing with world-level threats, using world-level amounts of force. But the pieces which tie it together are nothing new. The first story arc ends the same way HF does: Two dying men beating each other down while everything collapses apart around them, with the protagonist being saved at the end thanks to a sacrifice made by someone he formed a bond with along the way. As far as things like lore, F/GO has brought back quite a bit of things that were under the rug, and promised to bring other ones into the light of day. It's the most content, given the period of time, that has been put out for a very long time.

Now, that's not to say there aren't problems. F/GO has a boring-ass protagonist, and it's characters are far less compelling. The core thesis is the same, but so are the ideas - the plan of Goddess of Rhongonmyniad isn't exactly a massive departure from that of Dust of Osiris or Araya Souren, for instance, and most of the character archetypes and ideas are more or less still present. On a meta perspective, the success of F/GO certainly keeps us from getting much more in the way of other content, which is obnoxious. All of that said, it's disingenuous when people make claims about how the company has sold out, or departed from the original 'soul', when that's objectively not the case. There are solid arguments to be made, but it's ridiculous to cling to the ones which stand on shaky ground.

>>880660

>All of that said, it's disingenuous when people make claims about how the company has sold out, or departed from the original 'soul', when that's objectively not the case.

It's a soulless waifu factory. Nasu did a giant world-level threat with Notes, and he did it with heart. The tragedy and the mystery and the poetry are gone, which ties in with:

>it's characters are far less compelling

Because all of that tragedy and hope and beauty and drama and mystery was tied up with the characters, going through the mystery of life, striving for wonderful things they could never reach, and doing the best they could to reach them with each other. The characters were compelling and so the stories were compelling. Now we get lots of random historical characters turned into fetish fuel waifus. They just keep churning them out, and otaku and weebs keep eating them up. The incel economy triumphant, all the old magic, even the cool lore Nasu spent hours typing up, is cast aside for the Mammon Machine that FGO is. Type-Moon is dead and FGO has killed it.

>>888362

Shiki > Shiki > SHIKI

>>884325

>Type-Moon is dead and FGO has killed it.

It really hurts. It went from Japanese WoD to a waifu collection franchise. Though I'd say that it started way before FGO. For example, I always hated Nero and other Extra bullshit.

>>891346

Liking Saberface is ok, liking Saberclones makes you lower than subhuman.

>>891400

>Because Tsukihime was really bad in terms of story

Imagine being this secondary.

>>891429

After playing Melty Blood and reading through Kagetsu Tohya, Tsukihime really felt like its own living, breathing world. FSN feels like an extension of that world (it's supposed to be the same Nasuverse) but as time's gone on the Fate franchise has drifted further and further away from it. FSN had a more limited focus, specifically on the Heaven's Feel and the character of Emiya Shirou. Still there is lots of cool stuff about magic and mages there. But the whole setting of Tsukihime felt a lot more mysterious, and open, and inclusive of broader aspects of the Nasuverse. You had vampires sure, but also psychic mutants, humans with non-human in their bloodline, and even a real Magic User who makes an appearance at the beginning and the epilogue. It helped that TH is really two separate groups of stories, The Nearside and the Far, which are different in tone and what they explore. There was an added sense of mystery that made it feel like the world extended further beyond the bounds of what we are presented with. FSN had some of that, especially with the higher macro-level concepts, Alaya, The Swirl of the Root, etc. Well Tsukihime had some of that as well. My major problem in comparing the two is I think TH is overall better written. Nasu got sort of needlessly wordy and repetitive at times in FSN, where Tsukihime gives the feel of a much more refined and to-the-point read. I really love FSN too, especially UBW. But there is some kind of magic that Nasu capture in Tsukihime that I don't think anyone else has captured before or since. The Plus Disc and especially KT expanded the world, with the various side-stories you unlock. Reading the story of Kiri Nanaya and his last stand when Shiki's family was slaughtered, even just getting to meet the various other side characters that occur in the loop of the main story, was really magical for me. I'd like to meet those characters again, but it's a shame it will never happen.

I wouldn't begrudge Nasu for whoring out Fate so much if he would just go back to writing. I miss Nasu the writer, and his bizarre love for making these ridiculously image-heavy VNs that take years to complete puzzles me to no end. The retcons made to TH for the remake, the new (and worse) artstyle where the characters don't even look like the same people they used to, dismays me to no end. At this point I just wish he'd right light novels or something, maybe finish DDD some time before he dies. But alas I don't see any of that coming to pass. As it stands, Tsukihime remains a unique, and increasingly obscure gem, and I think I would like to revisit it all again soon. I never did finish all of KT, so I never read the final unlockable story featuring SHIKI, the most loyal and devoted brother that their is so I feel I should get on that.

>>891406

It's a Kara no Kyoukai/Kizuato fanfiction.

I hope nobody forgot about Arc's birthday.

>>891463

Which arc?

>>891450

Tsukihime just feels way more mysterious.

It's been a while since I read either but as far as I recall FSN takes you right into the action and shows you a lot of the secret magic stuff in the setting. First you have the intro with Rin, then you have Shirou casually use the bit of magic he knows, then you witness the battle between Archer and Lancer, Saber get's summoned and Rin explains the setting to Shirou.

In TH, nobody explains anything for a long time while the main cast get's introduced. Shiki also has magical powers but they are way more dangerous and harder to control.

>the new (and worse) artstyle where the characters don't even look like the same people they used to,

I really hate that. Old Arcueid's looks fit her character. She doesn't care about looking fancy but it still gives her a certain mature charm. Nu-Arcueid just looks like she is about to go clubbing. though Ciel's redesign is even worse.

I don't even understand why you would redesign them. Even those that haven't played the original already know how they look from the spin-offs and crossovers. Don't just throw those iconic designs in the garbage.

>>892063

>Is Fate/Grand Order a good game?

It's a mobage so no. Some of the later bits of story are decent but not really as good as the original VN.

>>892065

Pff the entire story is trash.

>>892063

It's fun for a while but very grindish and if you have bad luck you won't get 5* servants anytime soon. All the new servants they release are skillwise just copypaste.

And you will most likely not get what you want without spending tons of money. I had a very lucky account with about 23 SSR as a free to play but I still didn't get some of those I aimed for.

So yeah it's playable but it's a huge time sink. If you are happy with 3* servants you'll have those that you want though (but most of them suck).