No.865822
The newest chapter of One Piece just dropped and the goal of this arc has been laid out. After coming through an arc where the crew failed to assassinate Big Mom and only succeeded in pissing her off, they now plan to assassinate the unkillable Kaidou. Historical and literature references are cast about with such speed that some scanlators are writing up extra pages just to help give more context.
As always
ONE PIECE WILL BE ON BREAK NEXT WEEK
>>865153
>>865174
There's a time travel fruit at play. Who could be wielding it now? Hopefully someone who already threw themselves into the future and out of this arc.
No.865840
It feels way too forced. An entire two page spread of the strawhats being humored and then moved to tears by Cuckden's story that we haven't even heard. But that's not all, even Whitebeard and Roger were Cuckden fanboys. Clearly Wano was barely isolated if both Whitebeard and Roger were so familiar with just a daimyo. We're supposed to sympathize with Cuckden to such an extent that he made the most remarkable figures of the pirate world sympathize with him too. It used to be that Oda didn't whip out the crying faces unless they were actually necessary.
No.865848
>>865840
On the bright side it seems like Wano is moving way quicker than Dressrosa.
No.865859
>>865840
>Cuckden
Stop that. It makes you sound retarded.
No.865871
>>865840
Roger went wherever the fuck he wanted. Same with Whitebeard. Probably had business with Kaidou before the Yonkou went all isolationist. Maybe Big Mom and Kaidou's relationship falling apart ruined the good vibes the pirate armies had going.
No.865900
>>865848
>Wano is moving way quicker than Dressrosa
Until Kaidou shows up with an artificial ikot-ikot fruit and the real arc starts.
No.865924
Fucking TOLD YOU the time travel thing was only going to work in one direction.
No.865959
>>865900
>implying Wano and Kaido will both go down in the same arc.
No.865973
>>865840
Wano is a geographically isolated country but also a self-sufficient one. It had plenty of renewable resources so isolationism wasn't a bad thing for them, specially in a world where the world goverment/marine is corrupted to the core and violent pirates roam the seas. The current state of Wano isn't shit because their borders are closed but because the high treason from the country's government (selling their nation to Kaidou) turned Wano into Venezuela.
Open borders wouldn't have helped shit. Even if they had communications with the outside world, the marines wouldn't have moved an inch to help them. When it comes to the yonkou, nor the marines nor other countries will lend a hand. Dessrosa (under Kaidou) and Ryugu kingdom (under Big Mom) are proof of it.
>It used to be that Oda didn't whip out the crying faces unless they were actually necessary.
Yeah, usually Oda would put a flashback to make one care about the character before killing him off. But here Kinemon just says "he was punk but good-willed, reformed a bunch of criminals and everybody loved him but he got kill" and the waterworks start flowing.
No.866046
>>865924
Oda is a good enough story writer that he knows how fucked backwards causation can get. I kept the faith.
No.866049
>>865973
It seems like he was trying to get through the background crap as quickly as possible and using the reaction faces to show quickly the emotions he would want to evoke in the reader. You just know Oda would have wanted to do some 8 chapter flashback at this point and flesh out all the characters and so on but just doesn't want to waste that much time in what will already end up being a very long arc.
No.866136
>>865840
>An entire two page spread of the strawhats being humored and then moved to tears
Wow. It's almost like the Strawhats are an emotional group who are easily motivated by injustice and tragedy.
>even Whitebeard and Roger were Oden fanboys
What, you mean the heart of gold legendary pirates who fought for what they believed in and helped bring order to the seas through sheer might liked a guy who was exactly like them?
>Clearly Wano was barely isolated if both Whitebeard and Roger were so familiar with just a daimyo
Isolationist doesn't mean it is impossible to visit. Big surprise that PIRATES would break the rules and go where they want and make friends with a rowdy guy who shared their style of doing things.
>We're supposed to sympathize with Oden to such an extent that he made the most remarkable figures of the pirate world sympathize with him too
Yes. Yes, that is the point.
>It used to be that Oda didn't whip out the crying faces unless they were actually necessary.
You're an idiot. The exaggerated and extreme emotional reactions of every character have been a staple of the series from the start.
No.866155
>>866049
>>866046
>>865924
What if the reason oden didn't get a flashback was because luffy and co are going to meet him via time travel to the past?
No.866169
>>866155
>luffy and friends travel back to the past
>zoro gets lost in time
>20 chapters of him killing robots
No.866195
>>866155
Two things about Wano that haven't been discussed here yet.
>Wano royal family is pretty important by virtue of being a royal family which traces back to the void century
>Toki is from the 'distant past' which may even mean being from pre-void century times or at least from Joy boy's era.
>This means Momonosuke is maybe more important than we realize
No.866259
>>866136
>The exaggerated and extreme emotional reactions of every character have been a staple of the series from the start.
Exaggerated reactions yes, serious crying faces were reserved for powerful scenes like Ace's death, Robin coming to terms that she wants to be with the strawhats, and so on. They were moments that the strawhats were experiencing in a very direct and intimate manner. I don't remember Luffy being this outwardly outraged even when Vivi told him the backstory of Alabasta.
No.866298
>>866169
>luffy and friends travel back to the past
>zoro gets lost in time
>he disappears from the series for good
>suddenly and with no warning, Oda publishes a spinoff about Zoro killing robots in the far future
>this is the mecha series he was going to do after One Piece is over
No.866532
>>866259
At this point even the most good natured protagonist should be sick of having to fix everyone's problems. At the very least he should try to speed up their tragic backstory.
No.867429
>>866532
But that’s Oda’s schtick, tragic backstories for everyone!
Sometimes Oda lets a character have two tragic backstories, like Sanji.
No.867448
>>867429
What do you honestly expect in a world where feudalism is still the major economic system, the government is a sham made by Jews upheld by good goyim cops, who work with feudal lords who abuse their own people after cucking the original rulers, and the only alternative is become an anarchist which by the way the Jews also subvert and employ, or join the Revolutionary Army which may or may not be ML.
So it's real life but stuck in a mixed bag of technology from 1300 to 1800 in such a way that anything enjoyable from that era is gone. No shit everyone's going to have a tragic backstory everyone in this timeline does so One Piece would just take it to the next level.
No.867480
>>865822
>cover.jpg
Does it mean Zoro x Chopper is now canon?
No.869552
I hate that I'm still caught off-guard by these fucking hiatuses every few weeks.
No.869595
>>869552
3 chapters, 1 break, 3 chapters, 1 break
No.869669
I've read the entire anti one piece thread on 5ch, and honestly it was surprising. I've never seen that much hate for it concentrated in one place before in the West.
They call the fans believers and call them a cult, call Oda "汚駄", they call one piece Chon piece(which is literally "Gook piece") because Oda talked about liking Korea before. I even saw some guy calling him honorary Korean(名誉朝鮮人). Though most of the complaints are about him being a hack who can't write shit.
Some of the hate feels somewhat excessive, but they have comments by Oda in the thread from interviews that I have never read translated before and Oda really is an arrogant piece of shit with autist level social awareness at times.
The thread has like 700 comments with heated discussion at points so I can't just talk about every fault of one piece here, but even though I didn't care about it that much before I now want one piece to just end as soon as possible and fuck off.
No.869680
>>869669
>I read about other people having opinions and now I am of the same opinion because they yelled a lot
Amazing independent thought, friend. Do be useful though and post these arrogant tidbits from interviews.
No.869693
>>869669
>they have comments by Oda in the thread from interviews that I have never read translated before and Oda really is an arrogant piece of shit with autist level social awareness at times.
1) Oda is a huge autist. It's the only reason he's able to contain the entire clusterfuck plot of One Piece's entire world in his head.
2) He's insanely successful and One Piece is Japan's unofficial religion, on top of him working on the damned thing for over 20 years with fewer breaks and missed chapters than every other author in his weight class. He can have an ego. He's earned it.
3) Who the fuck cares about 5chan or what they think?
No.869995
>>869680
【尾田の首を傾げたくなる言動・4】
単行本22巻66ページ 質問コーナーより
＞歴史の教科書とかには、たまに朝鮮へ「出兵」とかって書かれたりしてますけど、
＞アレ、海賊ですから。略奪しに言っとるわけですからね、コレ。悪いヤツらです。
歴史で「出兵」と言えば豊臣秀吉の朝鮮出兵「文禄・慶長の役」であり
中国沿岸に出現した日本の海賊「倭寇」とは全くの別物だという事は小学生でも知っているはずなのだが
尾田が義務教育すらまともに受けていない阿呆だという事が判明した
This much is enough anyways. If you can't read Oda calls Japanese army going to invade Korea a bunch of pirates going to pillage and calls them bad guys like the gook lover he is.
But nice post faggot, it's not like I had a 180 change in my opinions. I had stopped caring much about the story after the time skip anyways, lately he's been especially annoying with the open border crap so I went to the anti thread when I saw it on the board.
>>869693
1)I meant autistic as in socially, like sending an awkwardly cheerful support message to a city hit by a natural disaster, talking about how he can't go to the funerals of people he likes and how it was good that he met them before they died, or insulting a WW2 vet in volume 89 and having shuueisha apologize for his thoughtless comments.
2)On this point I think Japanese people make an interesting comment that we can't relate or care about.
A shounen series going for 20-30 years is not a good or admirable thing at all. Shounen series are better for readers when it starts and ends when they are young, Oda aims for 15yo range but someone who started reading at that time could have a kid in school reading one piece now with no end in sight. Salaryman buying jump just to read their childhood manga and then throwing it in the thrash might make money though.
Right now with Gintama gone apparently there're no 2000s manga in weekly jump while there are 2 series left from 90s, HxH and one piece.
Now I don't really think a series going over 1000 chapters is a bad thing, and Jojo for example has done it well by refreshing the story every few years. But personally I feel like OP is a slugfest that's unnecessarily complicated. Dressrosa was just an Alabasta 2 that took 2 years to finish, and we have too many fucking plot lines hanging, weevil, reverie, BB's attack on revolutionaries and their attack on reverie, smokers visit to vegapunk that's been fucking forgotten since punk hazard. I have a feeling that Oda will die before this shit even finishes, he's a fat chainsmoker with deteriorating vision.
3)Don't say that, the only reason you don't care is because you can't read shit.
No.870040
>>869995
I believe in Oda because in the past he has satisfyingly concluded plot threads that were hinted at, like Mantra eventually becoming Observation Haki, Big Mom and her kingdom, Fishman Island, Blackbeard's ascent from scheming deckhand to yonko, the growing importance of the Supernova.
The reason the story keeps getting longer is he keeps having new ideas. It was initially going to end with the Shichibukai, but then he came up with stronger enemies and wanted to expand on them.
No.870730
>>870040
Wait why?
Sounds like garbage if it was going to end like that.
>>869995
>and we have too many fucking plot lines hanging, weevil, reverie, BB's attack on revolutionaries and their attack on reverie, smokers visit to vegapunk that's been fucking forgotten since punk hazard.
Weevil will probably make an appearance either now in Wano or down the line in Black Beard's territory.
The reverie will probably end with the WG hearing about Kaido having the absolute shit slammed out of him and Luffy's harem cumming in their dresses or an even better ending Kaido goes batshit insane knowing Wano has been liberated, and the Straw Hats are a legitimate threat, absolutely assmad he could get btfo now he books it to the reverie, right as it ends, Dragon declares war on the WG, and CP0 probably steps in, Kaido slams in there, and the Straw Hats have to stop him there.
Vegapunk will probably be revealed when One Piece is around 75% done.
No.871890
CHAPTER 921 SPOILERS, MAJOR SHIT IS GOING DOWN
Franky took the job as the carpenter's apprentice to steal the plans to Kaido's compound. Robin became a geisha to get closer to Orochi. The samurai believe Brooke's power will in some way help them solve the food crisis, everyone gets Wano outfits and Nami makes hers more revealing which Kinemon says is something a kunoichi would do.
Bandits steal the food Luffy got the village. Jack attacks them expecting to find Luffy. Lead bandit is a fat samurai. Jack tells him he must join Kaido or die. Fat samurai actually cuts Jack, but Jack is eventually able to overpower him. Eventually we see a giant Chinese style dragon in the sky. Law tells Luffy IT'S KAIDO.
No.871930
>>871890
So if Kaido is the dragon then that must mean that Momo's Vegapunk smile is gonna get talked about soon then huh?
No.871933
>>871890
So, confirmed that Kaido is a dragon that eat the human-human fruit or something like that?
No.871949
>>871933
He must be unkillable after becoming some sort of eternal dragon.
This is fucking wild.
No.871950
>>871933
You dumb nigger, Chopper has the Human Human fruit.
No.871951
>>871950
There are so many variants I wouldn't be surprised there is a fruit variant for every human race.
No.871953
>>871950
It's already confirmed that the Hito Hito no Mi has multiple variants, Sengoku has the Hito Hito no Mi, Model Buddha.
No.871956
>>871953
What was the Hito Hito no mi?
No.871957
>>871933
It could still be anything. One of Kaido's titles is "thousand beasts" so for all we know he could have a thousand zoan forms, or it could just refer to his army, or he could have some magic fruit that gives him a dragon form or any number of other things. Most simple explanation is that he has a mythical dragon zoan fruit but as Momo demonstrates there are multiple dragon zoan fruit. I'm not ready to rule anything out yet, but I think what Oda has shown us is that Zoans are all like wolverine so to speak and the stronger your will the better you are at it. The awakened guards in Impel Down all healed quickly after defeat. Jack's entire theme so far is getting the utter shit kicked out of him but then emerging unscathed. I mean of all his fights so far he only won two, one through poisoning the Minks and one after initially getting sliced up by a random bandit samurai. His other battles were crushing defeats. I'm betting Kaido has a similar deal where he simply recovers too quickly to defeat. In rpg terms, imagine an enemy with max defense that regenerates more damage than you can deal.
No.871959
>Kaido is a dragon now.
I really hope the thousand beast theory is right otherwise this is a garbage turn of events that declaws him and makes me no longer care whether or not he does actually get defeated in Wano.
No.871960
>>871957
Crazy idea, but maybe Oda made that movie about magic horns canon and Kaido give powers to others by feeding them his rapidly growing horns?
No.871964
>>871956
The Human Human fruit
No.871972
>>871957
The unifying power of the Zoan DFs are that they allow the user to transform and drastically alter their bodies. Drastically altering skin and bone and generating complex new muscle structures in a matter of seconds is a power that is dramatically understated in One Piece. Chopper proves that with the right conditions and training, a zoan is no longer even restricted to the 3 states that are typical of basic Zoan powers. This draws a clear line to awakened Zoans having insane durability, strength, and recovery potential, but Chopper's "points" seem to hint that more complex transformations are possible.
Chances are, "Thousand Beast Kaidou" is a title that may refer to his army of freaks. However, I'm wildly guessing, with little evidence, that Kaidou possesses some ancient, mythical Zoan DF which he mastered to such an extent that he can transform into nearly any animal. Furthermore, his mastery of Zoan powers has led to him becoming immortal because his body has become able to reflexively adapt and rapidly heal even when he doesn't want to. This may mean that his fascination with creating a zoan army could be based in trying to find a means to overcome this flaw in his power. Getting bored and wanting to start a new world war is just plan B if Kaidou can't figure out a way to kill himself.
No.872009
Jack being matched by a single samurai is disappointing. I thought it would take multiple fighters to take down each Calamity, guess that's my fault.
No.872024
At least this means that dipshit theory about Dragon having a dragon fruit that lets him control weather is finally FUCKING DEAD
he has an air logia
No.872027
>likes koreans
>repeated chapters about how borders are bad and diversity is good
>draws this
I hope the fact that he drew Perona again means that she might make an appearance soon. For that matter I hope the Thriller Bark crew as a whole makes an appearance. Moria has a big connection with Kaido, and we know Moria is out there. We didn't see the original beasts vs zombies, but maybe there's still a chance for a rematch.
No.872044
>>872027
Considering he put Big Mom in there I don't think this is any real political statement. I mean she's quite literally a monster and a direct criticism of that sort of woman. In general the image feels really flat and lifeless for some reason though, like this was something an editor insisted on or something. He's drawn way better all female spreads.
And Perona's not with Moriah anymore, she seems content to stay on Mihawk's island. Absalom also left the crew to be a photographer, he takes the wanted pictures now.
My personal theory is that Moriah stole Whitebeard's shadow and put it into that guy claiming to be his son. From what we know of him he imitates his fighting style but without the fruit, he's as dumb as a zombie and his body is covered in surgical scars.
No.872045
>>872044
It's a promotional for a fashion festival, so it is very likely that this was a request from an editor.
No.872059
>>872027
>Best girl finally returns.
Perfect.
No.872061
>>872044
It could just be Weevil being an autist for his dad while being a complete retard as well.
No.872062
>>872059
If all you're going up against are two Namis, three Robins and an honorary 3DPD it's not much of a competition.
No.872100
Regarding the open borders stuff... I think Oda is referring to open trade, tourism, letting the Marines build a base, etc. I don't think Oda realizes that in the west open borders means mass uncontrolled immigration from 3rd world countries.
No.872159
>>872100
A lot of these people blowing up here seem to be completely unaware Japan has never in it's whole history faced this type of slow burn invasion via immigration, and thus japs really have no clue how bad can it be in the long run
No.872181
>>872159
To be fair, neither does anyone else.
No.872185
>>872159
Even in the west, Canada doesn't understand at all how fucked up things get because the USA share a largely uncontrolled border with Mexico. When people point to these other countries that have banned guns and shit, they never seem to get that being a tiny, racially homogenous, tightly controlled island drastically changes the issue.
No.872346
>>872061
I don't believe for a second Whitebeard boned that little troll. He strikes me as a man with taste. And given his mythical status I think his actual son would look more badass.
>>872159
Check out the movie Silence. It deals with how harshly Japan dealt with Christian missionaries at one point. Even if you're an atheist (unless you're the edgy kind) it is a brutal slog to watch what they did to those people. There's a scene where the Japanese governer or whatever gives the lead Catholic priest this speech about how if they allow one religion in all the others would show to fight over the country, and they had to be made an example.
I don't think it's so much an open borders thing since at the end of the day Kaido and his crew are still foreign invaders who killed their royalty. Also we know opening up Wano will have negative consequences.
No.872347
I think Kaido might be native of Wano. He's an asian dragon with asian tattoos, asian mustache, who drinks sake from a gourd and has crippling depression. His crew might not all be from Wano, but he seems like someone who is from Wano. Jack definitely isn't since he's a Fishman, but everyone just assumed Kaido wasn't a native despite his appearance.
No.872358
So are we all just going to ignore how utterly fucked everyone is?
I genuinely don't know how they'll stand a chance against Kaido.
No.872367
>>872358
GOMU GOMU NO ...!!
No.872370
>>872347
Kaidou would be chinese.
Dragon = Chinese emperor.
Stache is fu manchu traditional stache (and his hair makes Fu Manchu hat), etc...
No.872395
>>872358
My personal theory: They don't piece his skin they make him fight until he gets over whelmed and passes out standing like that faggot from My Hero Academia.
No.872494
>>872395
He's a gigantic flying dragon, chances are they won't even reach him
No.872499
>>872494
This is what Oda does guys. All the big fights have had an element of "how can they possibly beat this?" Even the Buggy fight had that moment where you realize Zoro is totally useless against him.
Blades are announced as a weakness for Luffy immesiately before he has to fight the cat claw guy.
How can Luffy beat Don Krieg? The ship is sinking, his weapons puncture Luffy's skin and he's spreading poison everywhere!
How can Luffy possibly beat Crocodile? He's literally untouchable can drain all his moisture and has a million incredibly powerful techniques.
How's he going to even touch Enel? He can see the future, teleport instantaneously and phase through everything.
How can they even stand a chance against CP9? They're completely outclassed and they just called in a buster call!
At least every three islands we get a situation like this. Usually followed by a comedic villain arc to relax us a bit. Luffy will beat him with a new form or the power of rubber punches.
No.873090
>>872159
"Open borders" is referencing Japan being forced to open its borders to the West and developing out of a feudal society. That's the clear parallel here. Clearly "open borders" in that context was beneficial, so I don't think it means literally zero immigration control like the term is used in the West. Literally zero contact with outsiders let alone immigration would cause stagnation if you're feudal and everyone else has much better tech and economics.
On the flip side, if you invite in the wrong immigrants they can destroy your society, or if you invite in too many, you get more downside than upside, so it's very much about who you are opening the borders to, when and why, and not just whether or not it's "open". Open borders is a retarded idea taken literally, but I assume even though Oda probably doesn't mean it that way, he's still implicitly a leftist like 90% of all artists to pull a number out of my ass, but if you're enjoying escapist fiction, expect humanitarian idealism about how people just need to be freed from outside oppression like the state, nation, and capitalism, and then everyone will suddenly get along. For all its complex seeming world building, One Piece is still a story about punching the baddies in the face to free the noble masses.
No.873111
>>873090
>people just need to be freed from outside oppression
I wonder if there will be an arc about how the fishmen and humans will finally get along when everyone is a sickly fish-human hybrid.
No.873265
>>873111
I like Oda's worldbuilding and ability to bring up shit that was established hundreds of chapters ago, but really his skill with analogies is shit. Imagine if black people were ten times as strong and could breathe underwater, of course I'd fucking racemix with them (assuming they were fuckable to begin with). Fantasy analogies are garbage when they pretend like the particulars don't matter. Would anyone really discriminate that much against elves when they are usually depicted as being amazing (and lewd)? People disfavor blacks because they are associated with criminal behavior. It's a childish understanding of discrimination when you reduce it to be being afraid of difference.
No.873312
>>873265
>black
>people
I'm not really sure I understand.
No.873313
I guess while we're on the subject of sickly mutts, oda has created a fish-human (pic ralted) and an entire tribe of fish giant miscegenation monsters. So I guess it is possible, even in Oda's fantasy world, for all the races to get together and breed each other out of existence.
Interestingly, they're really rare, meaning that Oda heavily implies that no one actually wants to mix.
No.873323
>>873313
>Posting tranny racemix trap
Do not show me that, get that away from me right now, I do not want that, hidden.
No.873344
What are anons' bets regarding Kaido's remaining 2 Calamities, Mythical Zoan or Ancient Zoan? I hope at least one of them is mythical, otherwise it'll give off the feeling that Marco beats them at their own game. Also since Kaido seems Chinese and Jack Mongolian, maybe one calamity will be Russian-inspired.
No.873372
>>873344
Big Mom's theme was food, but Kaido's theme (as far as names) is card games. Jack is one so I've heard the other two calamities must be King and Queen. He called Doflamingo Joker and other crew members we've seen -Sheepshead, Ginrummy, Holdem- also have card game themed names. Hawkins actually kind of fits in since his powers use cards and have an element of gambling.
No.873376
>>873313
Aren't his powers fruit related?
No.873397
>>873376
Not unless you're calling him a fruit. No he's just part fishman, and fights with sharp high heels.
No.873402
>>873376
Is he the one who can swim through anything? Or is that the baby guy?
No.873408
>>873402
That's the baby guy. Dillinger just attacks with his horns and heels.
No.873410
>>873376
If you mean fruity like fruity faggotry, yeah they are.
>>873402
Baby dude.
>>873408
Doesn't he also bite?
No.873430
>>873313
>race mixed character is a villain and a tranny
Oda knew exactly what he was doing with this
No.873613
>>873430
Dellinger was a fucking freak with his monster fish genetics.
No.873841
Is this strawhat for real?
No.873869
Chapter 922 Spoilers
It's mostly just reactions to Kaido for the first half. Jack is worried about Kaido rampaging and killing the factory workers. He's drunk and in a good mood. Hawkins tells him Luffy and co are at Oden Castle. Luffy is actually running straight towards Kaido. You know what's coming. Kaido uses a move called "borobreath" and destroys the castle in one blow. Mami and some others were still in there. Chapter ends with something in the sky above Kaido. "Gomu Gomu no Elephant Gun!" Conks Kaido right on the head. We're going right into it.
No.873879
>Luffy, don't do the thing!
<Okay.
GOMU GOMU NO ELEPHANTO THING!
Every single fucking time.
I knew he would do something stupid, but straight up plant one on Kaidou's dome, hory shet. Madcunt of the century.
No.873892
It's not all.
Kaidou has it's pupils in all panels...
All that build-up...
And he knocked him out in one punch.
Yup. He's probably super hard to hit and so terribly powerful with breath attacks and all.
No.873894
Can you imagine Kaido's dragon form with full body haki?
No.873921
>wake up feeling like shit because I woke up too late to get a proper diet and go to the gym yet again
>see a YouTube thumbnail showing Luffy hitting Kaido
God damn it Oda I wasn't planning on being happy today.
No.873934
>punching an angry drunk dragon that breathes nukes and is essentially immortal
RIP Luffy
No.873940
>>873919
Seems like a pretty Luffy thing to do. Do you expect him to wait 2 weeks to confront the big bad? The only way I could see him "waiting" is if they used the Toki Toki no Mi to send him 2 weeks into the future and see the aftermath of his actions and how he'll get out of an even more desperate situation.
No.873941
>>873892
He had no pupils since the panel where he nuked the castle, also notice the shading thing Oda did on his eye after getting conked. that's how he portrays "being really fucking angry" so Kaido just got even more pissed off with this
No.873948
So I mean, does this indicate Big Mom is stronger than Kaido? She just tanked virtually everything thrown at her and her halo drained Luffy's completely.
I think this has more to do with Kaido being drunk. Plus if you remember his suicide attempt it summarizes that all of his wars have ended in defeat snd the navy has captured him like 15 times, he just can't be killed is all.
No.873992
>Oh man
>Oda's at it again!
>He's just establishing the stakes here!
>Luffy won't actually fight him!
>This is just to show how powerful Kaidou is!
>Nothing will come of this
<GOMU GOMU NO FUCK YOU KAIDOU
Welp. So much for this arc being the one where Luffy is a little better at being responsible. I'm curious to see where they're going with this, though.. Because they didn't really address what happened to everyone who was hiding in Oden Castle when Kaidou nuked it. I think Luffy might stun the whole fucking country by KO'ing Drunk Kaidou, but it's hard to see how they are going to get back on track with the plan unless they can all scatter and regroup again. Most likely Shutenmaru is going to take the Strawhats and Kinemon's crew to his hideout.
No.873997
It would have been better if it didn't end like this, in my opinion. It gives off a totally wrong idea. Luffy's Elephant Gun shouldn't even register with Kaido, same as how Big Mom felt nothing from the same attack, or how Doflamingo blocked an Elephant Gun with one hand. Next chapter is probably going to show how Kaido isn't damaged at all and that'll be fine, but this last page went way too hard trying to hype Luffy up and it gave the wrong impression. I want Luffy to get captured, meet up with Kidd that way, and get a viewpoint from inside Kaido's stronghold.
No.874015
>>873997
Look at Kaido's face right after getting hit.
That's not a KO face, it's a "what the fuck is this weird mosquito doing?" face
No.874087
>>873997
>>874015
There's no pain on that dragon face. He might've just sent him into a drunken sleep with the blow, but not actually hurt him at all. Zoro is somewhere in the area too, so he'll be able to back the crew up anyway.
No.874089
>>874087
Wouldn't Kaidou have made a funny face if that was the case? It was left too ambiguous then. If he was indeed knocked out it was probably a combination of being drunk and getting sucker punched, and as previously mentioned he has been defeated in the past.
No.874107
>>872367
Funny, I was right since the beginning
No.874114
>>874087
>Zoro is somewhere in the area too, so he'll be able to back the crew up anyway.
Is zoro still permanently crippled?
No.874116
>>874089
The scary thing about Kaido is that it doesn't really matter if you beat him in a fight, the guy will just keep getting back up over and over indefinitely no matter how hard you trash him.
And there's another thing to consider. Back in Totland, the crew didn't have any particular motive to stick around and save the island, but on Wano? They KNOW that if they repeat the stunt and bail, the entire island is completely fucked and everyone Luffy made friends with will be gone in a flash.
They cannot run away this time.
No.874153
>>874116
This isn't even out of necessity for saving their friends, it's just because they set their goal to this since the beginning. From the very start, in Punk Hazard, they made it their goal to beat down Kaido and dethrone him as a Yonko.
No.874161
>>874153
Technically Luffy's goal is to take down all 4 yonko, even Shanks. Although he'll probably just have to take down Big Mom and Kaido, Blackbeard will kill Shanks.
No.874333
>>874161
Let's remember how that worked with the Shichibukai, he took down three (four if you count Buggy) and the remaining four (five if you count Law) became allies.
I wonder if they would have been able to defeat Kuma.
No.874337
Here's a shot in the dark for no reason. Luffy is made of rubber so he converts his lifespan into energy, but it's okay because he's rubber.
No.874344
>>874333
>Buggy
I completely forgot about him. How long until Buggy shows up at the last minute and accidentally steals the spotlight, so everyone thinks he's a Yonko slaying pirate God?
No.874674
>>874337
If you keep stretching a rubber band, eventually it will snap.
>>874344
Shanks lets Buggy inherit his position as a Yonko and tags along with him. None of the other pirates actually respect or fear Buggy, but as long as Shanks is backing him up no one will challenge him. So basically what’s happening now, since Buggy’s own crew is leagues more powerful than him, with Galdino and Alvida, hell probably even Mohji and Cabaji being stronger than him.
No.875046
>>875039
Third pic looks like Bowser.
The Strawhats defeat Kaido by dropping him in an active volcano.
No.875052
>>875046
>So long gay Kaido!
No.875053
Oh by the way 923 spoilers: Kaido effortlessly rapes Luffy while drunk.
No.875062
>>873992
The theory is that Luffy was using Observation to see into the future and actually punched Kaido before he attacked, and Kaido didn't sense it coming cuz he was wasted. It wont matter though Kaido will be fine. I bet Luffy will be captured like Cpt Kid, and Law will decide that they will just let him stay in jail until they attack the ceremony where they will free him and Kid.
No.875098
Luffy would try to rip his arms off like he did in BM's book. No way would he sit around waiting in a cell. I wonder if BM will get defeated by someone else because of the optics of Luffy pummeling an obese elderly woman unconscious.
No.875297
No.875299
>people were actually retarded enough to think Kaido would go down just like that
>instead takes Luffy's entire top shelf arsenal to the face, shrugs it all off and then ONE-SHOTS LUFFY INSTANTLY
You faggots seem to completely forget the 4 Emperors have all earned their place through overwhelming power
No.875302
>>875299
That's not very interesting, maybe we need everyone to get separated for another 2 years of intense training.
No.875303
>>875299
I was hoping his drunken stupor would lead to him going to sleep during Luffy's assault. The dude just sighs, gets up and kills Luffy. Insane shit.
No.875309
I believe I remember Oda saying something like "you can't beat Kaido by punching him really hard."
No.875317
>>875309
>Oda "When Kaidou appeared for the first time, I said that Luffy can't defeat such a strong character yet. And I'm yet to know how Luffy would defeat Kaidou. Probably my audience will not be satisfied if the reason for defeating Kaidou is just because Luffy's punch is so strong. Luffy and I have to find a solution somehow."
It's got to be a team effort. They have to overcome his will to destroy the world.
No.875319
>>875299
Nobody thought he was going down, stop making shit up. The fact that his dragon form got pushed into the ground is enough, because Doflamingo himself could block an elephant gun without even moving an inch and yet Kaido got slammed. Basically it sets Kaido up as having no fortitude but just not being able to get hurt or die. Basically if you take it in RPG stats, Kaido has brokenly high HP but low Defense. Virgo has shown more raw fortitude than Kaido at this point, the only difference being that Virgo could get damaged and killed. I don't even know what would've happened if it had been Law cutting up Kaido instead of Luffy, because it doesn't matter if he can't die if he can't move his separated limbs, and if he gets slammed by a simple Elephant Gun then he shouldn't be able to block Law's devil fruit power either.
No.875322
>>875319
>Basically if you take it in RPG stats, Kaido has brokenly high HP but low Defense.
Why would you take it in RPG stats? That answers absolutely zero questions (not that anyone had asked you to) and only raises more.
No.875323
>>875322
Because I'm trying to portray the difference between fortitude as in being immovable and blocking hits effortlessly, like Big Mom did with Luffy's Elephant Gun, versus "fortitude" or resilience as in not getting damaged or dying but getting trashed around still.
No.875326
>>875319
>no fortitude
He took a whole buffet of Gear 4 punches and then just got up annoyed and retaliated too fast for Luffy to even react. The only reason he wobbled and fell over was because he's FUCKING DRUNK.
He did not show pain or damage at all at any single point.
No.875329
>>875326
If this looks like "wobbled and fell over" to you then you're just being needlessly defensive. Kaido got fucking slammed by an Elephant Gun. Same hit that Doflamingo blocked with one hand. Same hit that got overpowered by both Big Mom and Katakuri easily. I already said that Kaido doesn't get hurt and isn't in any danger of dying, but it should be easy to notice that he has shit defense, which means Law should be able to cut him up maybe even easier than Virgo.
No.875330
>>875329
He's a massive serpentine dragon floating while drunk, no fucking shit a heavy blow is going to push him down, specially if he didn't even see it coming. This is basic physics.
None of it matters because the entire impact did 0 damage.
No.875333
>>875330
The same exact shit happened even when he did see it coming 7 pages later. It got him so hard in fact that he reverted back to his humanoid form. Sure you can chalk it all up to being drunk and not flexing hard enough or something, but you don't know if that's true or not, you're just assuming that him getting drunk makes his skin/scales softer. And he's always drunk, anyway.
>None of it matters
It does matter because of how Law's ability works. If the haki or the person's fortitude is strong enough, they can resist Law's cut. If it isn't then they end up like Virgo.
No.875335
>>875333
He reverted because he finally noticed he was being attacked and dealing with a tiny mosquito is a lot easier when he isn't a massive flying snake.
We have yet to see him use defensive Haki once, in fact he tanked Luffy's entire shitshow barefaced without doing a thing and he took NO DAMAGE AT ALL.
No.875338
>>875335
This. It was obvious to even drunk Kaido that Luffy was gonna keep dodging his fire blasts. The guy isn't gonna lose to punches. They're going to deal with him in a different way.
No.875351
>>875330
>physics
Nice try nerd but this is One Piece. Haki completely negates inertia.
No.875401
>>875351
That would be funny if it wasn't because Kaido has never used Haki in a fight we have seen yet
No.875452
>>875401
It's a serpentine dragon flying through the air without any sort of wings or propulsion, and yet you fags are going to start bringing up physics into this. If it was up to physics Kaido wouldn't be up in the air in the first place. For all you know his head is the center of gravity.
No.875456
>>875452
>realistically, Luffy's inflated, giant balloon arm, coated in willpower magic, thrown from a jump 50 stories into the air, would not have enough force to stop a giant man who got really drunk and turned into a dragon and then started spitting laser beams
Physics has no place in One Piece.
No.875462
>>875456
>Physics has no place in One Piece.
That's what I said.
No.875464
>>875462
>>875456
More importantly, will the crew be completely demolished or somehow found a way to survive? Did drunken Kaido miraculously miss them?
No.875465
>>875464
Then again, the mountain peak is a fucking crater. No way he missed, so we're looking for a miracle instead.
No.875467
>>875464
>Kaido actually killed every Straw-hat besides Luffy and Zoro. Luffy officially beaten Gear 4 and Luffy's ultimate form officially useless against Yonko, Law barely manages to save him.
>Get another timeskip
>Zoro and Luffy are now gruff older men in their 30's, the first arc we get is them killing Kaido in anger avenging their fallen crew. One Piece gets hard core dark and serious from then on.
I mean it has about as low of a chance of happening as Berserk becoming moe shi--
Aw damn it, well you know it still has a low chance of happening but I can see it going through.
No.875468
>>875467
That's the worst suggestion I've ever read, even as a joke.
No.875469
>>875462
Not suggesting you were saying anything different. Just further extrapolating on how fucking insane the situation is already without people trying to bring in what would "realistically" happen with a dragon being balloon punched.
No.875470
>>875468
Yes that's the point.
No.875471
I want a shot showing the proper size difference between Luffy and Kaido. We sort of got it on the panel he hit Luffy, even then it looks like Luffy is a way behind him after the blow.
No.875472
>>875469
If anything this highlights the retardation of that sperg coming out with "rpg terms" to justify his insanity, when people regularly get punched through stone and concrete in this series and barely get bruised
No.875480
>>875472
What are you even talking about? The physics excuse was used to justify why Kaido got slammed into the ground here >>875330 you fucking retard.
No.875517
>>875480
>simple commonplace physics that make sense within the context are wrong
>some spastic rant about rpg stats that makes zero sense and is based on nothing is a-ok
Groundbreaking autism
No.875519
>>875517
>has a full-blown conversation about the intricacies of punching a dragon
>this, THIS is the final autism straw
You can all drop the pretense and tell your therapist about this latest chapter. Autism this bad should be put to work.
No.875555
>>875517
Bitch it was just one sentence. Those RPG stats are living in your mind all on their own. Imagine being this triggered over one sentence.
No.875577
>>875555
>Imagine being this triggered over one sentence.
There's nothing wrong with 3DPD.
No.875578
You're all ignoring the fact that Kaido didn't even have haki up, during the pummeling. He wasn't defending in the slightest, against the elephant gun, and all that happened was he got moved downward. If you need to have this explained, it's like if Kaido was in his human form, standing there, and got slammed by an elephant gun with Kaido not defending in the slightest. The momentum of Luffy's fist would shove him back, in that case, but not hurt him.
What happened is essentially an aerial version of the "anime skidback" thing, where a character gets slammed and then goes skidding back, only not even nearly as dramatic a reaction from Kaido. Think of like, firing a maximum caliber bullet, at some literally unbreakable cube of the hardest material imaginable.
The bullet would get crumpled and bounce off, but the force would be imparted on the cube. Now under anime logic, the cube would skid back a bit, but that's it.
TL;DR: WHY ARE YOU RETARDS ARGUING ABOUT THIS. REGARDLESS OF THE PUNCH, THE ENTIRE CHAPTER IS ODA HARD SELLING HOW OUT-FUCKING-CLASSED LUFFY IT, BY HAVING EVERYTHING AMOUNT TO NOTHING
No.875579
>>875578
That's the whole point nigger, the bullshit about "Kaido having bad defenses" and he falling over being some display of weakness is absolutely moronic.
He did not take any damage at all.
No.875596
To put it in RPG stats, Kaido's strength and speed are much higher than Luffy's, but his high luck doesn't let him die.
No.875610
Skeletons smoking are my new favorite aesthetic
No.875622
>>875610
How do they avoid the nicotine-yellow tint on their pristine noggins, though?
No.875657
>>875596
Kaido is just so fucking tough that nothing can kill him.
No.875682
To put it simply. Kaido has high HP, Attack, Defence, Special Attack, Special Defence, Speed. His favourite flavour is sour and he hates spicy food. He can be used as a staller, but his form change ability allows him to become a sweeper, so it's really down to the moves he's packing. You want to hit him with a move that'll cause constant damage or immobilise him. Personally I'd go for a burn/toxic inflict on him. Burn because if he's anything like most Big Mom builds, he'll be packing Sleep Talk and still hitting at full power. If you're going to run toxic, then you'll want to switch a wall of your own in as the poison takes effect. One on one, Kaido wins. Fortunately, Kaido teams can't give him much more support than he gives himself, so you've only got to build your strategy around him and quickly wipe the other fighters that get in the way.
I'm hoping he'll get banned from tourney play soon though, him and Big Mom are ruining the game. At least Big Moms have to pack leftovers if they want to keep the pain train running. Kaido can basically hold anything and have no problems. Fucking Gamefreak.
No.875683
>>875657
Consider his number of defeats though. There must be a secret to him, else how has he been defeated and captured so many damn times? He must have some weakness.
No.875689
>>875683
His weakness is that he's a drunk retard and likely to just stop caring about whatever he's fighting in the middle of it
No.875708
>>875683
>>875689
Sinking him under the waves probably helps. I want to see the crews that have captured him before.
No.875721
>>875682
Imagine being this fucking autistic. Good lord.
No.875733
What if Kaido can't even use Armament Haki? He never needed it because he can't die or have serious wounds, so he never bothered to train it.
No.875738
>>875733
What if the jews couldn't use pilpul haki? They never needed it because they can point to the Holohoax, so they never bothered with it.
No.875742
>>875733
But that's wrong you retard Kaido used Haki on his club the way Zoro used it on his swords. The lightning is a clear indicator.
No.875765
>>875742
Dude the move is literally called Divine Thunder and Kaido doesn't have armament haki on his hand nor does his club look particularly pitch black. When Zoro uses armament haki on his swords he always uses armament haki on his hands first, which then extends to his swords. Now maybe Kaido did that and coated his weapon and we just didn't see it, but I don't know why you have to be a spastic autist about it. I don't know what's with these threads that turn anons into massive nerdrage schmucks.
No.875773
>>875765
>I don't know what's with these threads that turn anons into massive nerdrage schmucks.
No idea where people get the need to psychoanalyze Oda's intented meaning of luffy getting hit really hard with a club. It almost certainly is meant to convey "Kaido is really strong and hit luffy really hard with a club". They might as well be discussing whether luffy is actually dead. Oda isn't subtle, if he wants people to know something he'll spend an entire page narrating it.
No.875774
>>875773
To put it in RPG terms, the anons of this thread have high perception, but low intelligence. They can see a ton of information, but can't process it.
No.875777
>>875774
This anon has high charisma, but I have high luck because my meme is getting propagated.
No.875783
>>875765
Why would he use Thunder anything against a rubberman? That's obviously just a cool name and the move is no more than a really hard club hit
No.875796
>>875783
Maybe he didn't realize Luffy would be immune to thunder, so the "Divine Thunder" attack just amounted to hitting luffy really hard with a club. What did Oda mean by this?
No.875797
>>875683
Consider something else: Kaido only has one scar. This guy who just drunkenly stumbles through countless fights and loses to everyone, but never dies, has only apparently suffered a single injury bad enough to actually leave a mark. This is the guy who jumped off a sky island to try and kill himself and it didn't work. The dragon devil fruit (or whatever weird DF he may have) is not as important as the fact that he's just so insanely tough that the only way he can even hinder himself is by getting drunk as fuck, constantly.
No.875815
>>875797
I guarantee you every last one of his "losses" wasn't because he was bested in combat, but because he just passed out from being too drunk and then got hauled into a cage before he could wake up.
No.875821
>>875815
I would even chalk it up to Kaido getting bored mid-fight and just deciding to give up on seriously combatting someone once they've proven they aren't strong enough to harm him. His entire reason for wanting a SMILE army of artificial Zoans is because he wants to start a massive war which will either get him killed, or fuck up the world so hard that things might get interesting for him again, after all. He probably only picked Wano as his target for places to fuck up and torment because he hoped that subjugating and corrupting such a strong country would motivate someone to become strong enough to kill him.
No.876298
>>871890
So i guess its safe to say namis and robins breasts officially stopped growing?
Bummer
No.876317
>>876299
>>875742
"Divine Thunder" defeat lufy in one attack
but his movement look like common attack of NPC , no over reacting
that's kind of weird
>>876299
Randoph is superior rabbit
No.876553
>>876298
Never doubt Oda when it comes to breasts, Anon.
This is the absolute madman who decided on Nami’s Post time skip design out of a desire to see his wife in a bikini top and bell bottom jeans.
No.876615
>>875797
Didn't someone say that kaido lost a lot when he was younger? Could be from before he got his fruit.
No.876627
>>876615
Even when he lost a lot, he still couldn't die.
No.876783
Great, another end game guy that luffy just sucks fighting against. Werent we supposed to be nearing the end of this? I guess we are going to get another training arc and 400 more chapters/episodes due to luffy's (oda's) inability for actual growth and development.
No.876789
>>876783
This is growth, did you want the rest of the series to be Luffy winning effortlessly the whole time? Then you’d be bitching about how overpowered he is. I think this is a good way of showing Luffy’s growth. He barely eked out a win against Katakuri, who was a top Yonko commander, and now he goes up against an actual Yonko and gets his shit pushed in. At least it’s internally consistent, and to be honest the worst part of One Piece is the main character, no one praises Luffy as a character, they praise Oda for his internal consistency.
No.876798
>>876783
"another" training arc? I don't recall ever getting one of those, unless you mean the handful of chapters with Luffy punching dinosaurs for half a chapter while a lot of other shit went down.
No.876875
>>876789
>they praise Oda for his internal consistency.
Oda just made One Piece's layout into a kabuki theater for only this arc.
Where's your internal consistency now, fagnon?
No.876923
>>876875
I meant within the lore, sped.
No.876939
>>876875
The word you're thinking of is "pacing"
No.877272
So Kidd isn't the creature in the dark cage, right? I reckon it's Killer without his mask on.
No.877273
>>877272
It's Magellan, who got reduced into being Kaido's pet after getting fired from ID, and he's the one who gets fed the most poison fish to keep him in line
ORIGINAL THEORY DONUT STEEL
No.877277
>>877272
>>877273
It's probably one of the 3 samurai that Kin'emon mentioned. One of them is Asura Douji/Shutenmaru and Kin'emon probably has him handled. Luffy and Kidd will likely escape together with this one, and the third and final one will probably be recruited elsewhere.
No.877283
They cleary show that its captain kidd in the end
No.877489
>>877283
No, they walk past the cell containing the poison fish eater.
No.877780
>something actually interesting happens
>manga disappears from existence
Chapter 914 is out in English.
No.877793
>>877780
924 just came out last week, dingus.
No.878207
>>877793
No one told me about that.
No.880875
Spoilers for rhe new chapter.
Blackbeard asks Moriah to join his crew
Shiliew has Absalom's fruit
Devon has the power of the inu inu fruit
Blackbeard bounty revealed
The revolutionarys are fighting Fujitora
No.880879
>>880875
There's no way this isn't a shitpost. There's just no way.
No.880880
>>880879
SON OF A BITCH HE'S NOT JOKING
MORIAH BLACKBEARD PERONA THE WORLD GOVERNMENT BIG MOM AND THE STRAWHATS ARE ALL GOING TO FACE OFF IN A HUGE WAR IN WANO SIMPLY FOR THE SAKE OF DOING SO.
GOD DAMN IT ODA NOT LIKE THIS.
No.880881
I should specify that the inu inu version that he has is a 9 tailed fox mythical zoan
No.880884
>>876299
Did he join the crew though?
No.880930
>>880875
>Big shit just happened
>lot of tension
>lot of shit revealed
>Luffy and Kidd about to start up some shit
>HOW ABOUT WE JUMP ACROSS THE WORLD FOR A FEW WEEKS AND SEE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS UP TO?!
This is so painfully like Oda that I cannot refute the accuracy of these possible leaks.
No.880943
>>880930
WHEN DO WE GET BACK TO THE REVERIE!?
No.880976
I almost died this month and my main regret was that I almost didn't get to finish these shit long running shonens.
No.880993
>>880976
I passed out from heavy drinking a year ago and in my blacked out state I was told by the Egyptian Gods that it wasn't yet my time. I think they'll take me once One Piece ends.
No.881085
>>880943
Hahaha! Reverie got handwaved. Hahahahaha! You actually thought you’d get to see Shanks talking to the Gorosei, or Sabo fighting Fujitora and Green Bull? Hahaha! No, this is Oda punishing the fan base for pestering him to rush getting to Wano. Pulling off a troll worthy of Kubo, set up some enticing lore and then giving the fan base blue balls.
No.881154
No.881299
Fucking Blackbeard is looking cooler and cooler. What a transformation.
No.881302
Rest in peace Absalom
F
I hope he gets turned into a cool zombie
No.881304
>>881085
> or Sabo fighting Fujitora and Green Bull?
Fights aren't Oda's forte. So I don't really care that he skipped the Revery fights.
Oda probably plans to reveal the Revery events one by one. The Wano arc structure is based on the Kabuki theater structure. Meaning that the arc should have 5 acts, and I think it's likely that Oda is going to continue to have world building chapters between the acts.
No.881351
>>881304
>Kabuki theater structure
>Nearly every full-length play occupies five acts.
>The first corresponds to jo, an auspicious and slow opening which introduces the audience to the characters and the plot.
>The next three acts correspond to ha, speeding events up, culminating almost always in a great moment of drama or tragedy in the third act and possibly a battle in the second and/or fourth acts.
>The final act, corresponding to kyu, is almost always short, providing a quick and satisfying conclusion.
I can't wait for the ride to accelerate.
No.881702
I'm digging that Blackbeard has become the most piratey pirate we've yet to see in this series.
No.881721
>>881702
I think he's the closest person to the ideal of the Pirate King right now. He just does what he wants and enables his underlings to do what they want, as long as they have enough power to do it.
No.881800
We all thought that Zorro was gonna fight with Shiryu but now its gonna be Sanji that will be the one to fight him instead.
No.881833
>>881702
He always was.
>>881721
I'm a bit peeved that Luffy is going to be PK just because he's the protagonist, when Blackbeard is such a better fit in every aspect.
No.881867
>>881721
>>881702
>>881833
Luffy really does need to try harder to look like a pirate. Blackbeard's on his island surrounded by his allies, soldiers and women and has a cool as fuck beard and outfit. Meanwhile Luffy's running around with his musty old hat and sitting next to Kidd after both of them received near instant shit slappery.
I almost want Blackbeard to win with how god damn great he looks. He went from being some bum in a bandana, getting his giant ship wrecked in a storm to living the Yonkou life.
>>881800
What makes you say this?
No.881919
>>881867
Sanji wants the clear fruit and Absalom is his villain so its fitting he fights him. My guess is that Burges gets the diamond fruit and Zorro fights him so they can finish the whole "now go cut diamond now" thing they set up in Alabasta. We always expect Zorro to fight the swordsman and Sanji to fight the martial arts guy so its a good twist
No.882117
>>881702
>Oda still hasn’t made a character with an eyepatch
Until he does than there can be no true pirate character.
No.882142
>>882117
Fun fact: pirates weren't known to wear eyepatches. It's a hollywood invention.
No.882593
No.882630
>>882117
Oda said, at some point, that he has one specific character in mind to have an eyepatch and no one else.
>>882593
Blackbeard was always an enormous motherfucker, but each time we see him, he seems to be getting more huge. That might just be Oda being stylish, though.
No.882639
>>882630
I want to see more of Blackbeard's crew in action. All those years and we only got a cocktease here and there.
No.883033
>>883029
This crazy motherfucker is gonna become part of the fleet, isn't he?
No.883051
>>883029
Where/when was he introduced, again? All I remember is something about quicksand.
No.883059
>>883051
He was like a tertiary/quaternary plot going on during Fishman island. He ended up getting his shit stomped by Tamago and Pekoms and then he got a small cover page arc where he eventually escaped Jinbei and got captured by X Drake and then, as we've discovered, imprisoned in Wano.
No.883192
>>883059
>>883051
I enjoyed how inconsequential he was to the Strawhats. He was his own villain with how badly he kept fucking his own shit up. It'll be fun to see what his swamp fruit can do to help out here. Unless he goes full Kehihihi and tries to fuck with Luffy, Kaidou and everyone around him again.
No.883196
>>883192
I had to go look it up to remember, but he actually ended up as a Revolutionary Army general by accident, so he might even come back as a sort of ally to the Strawhats when the RA comes back and is actually seen doing things against.
No.883448
>>883049
This is really significant. Nami is supposed to be the burglar/thief of the crew so maybe her being a kunoichi she will get some cool ninja skills. It was also nice to see Sanji cooking and Ussop lying again
No.883464
>>883192
>>883059
He also has the knowledge of who Poseidon is and if Blackbeard is going to Wano then it seems like it would be a good idea to reveal that information to gain favor with him.
No.883569
Luffy has become so strong that wearing seastone cuffs only nullifies his devil fruit and no longer exhausts him. I wouldn't mind this arc having Luffy fight without his devil fruit for a while. It'd make for an interesting challenge.
No.883576
>>883569
Makes me wonder why is Blackbeard considered so strong? Blackbeard himself is weak but is strong cause of his fruit and his ability to negate fruits doesnt stop their strength and he has to touch people to use it.
No.883621
>>883576
Blackbeard also has Whitebeard’s fruit now, which according to Sengoku has the power to destroy the world if used in the right way.
No.883669
>>883576
He has two overpowered devil fruits (just being able to have two devil fruits at once is a super power) and a powerful crew. Most importantly he's a deceitful and cunning bastard. He plotted, bid his time and when the time came he became a yonkou in an instant.
No.883708
>>883576
Blackbeard was strong before he even had his fruits, he injured Shanks and was offered the rank of Commander in Whitebeard's crew.
No.883716
>>883708
Could having the Yami fruit prevent the use of armament haki? I don't recall Blackbeard ever using it offensively or defensively and he takes the full brunt of every blow delivered to him.
No.883723
>>883716
I thought that was because of his darkness fruit and how it makes it so he can't be immune to damage like other fruit users but makes it so he can nullify their powers if he grabs onto them.
No.883725
>>883708
This. A lot of people forget, but Shanks supposedly got a stalemate with Kaido and forced Kaido to retreat without so much as a scratch. And yet Blackbeard managed to permanently scar Shanks back when he didn't even have any DF powers.
No.883776
>>883725
I've been assuming it was back when Shanks was green or that Blackbeard got the drop on him. Then again, we still haven't seen a demonstration of Shanks' power besides having HUGE conqueror's haki.
No.883783
How far do you think Perona takes Moriah's fat zombie dick full of shadows?
No.883787
>>883723
>The logia-user is immunized against all dangers ...
No.883989
>>883725
For what it's worth, Shanks let a shark bite off his arm, even though he is likely so powerful that he could have Haki punch'd the thing so hard or just flexed Conqueror's haki to make the creature flee before it ever threatened Luffy. Shanks is a weird dude. He does strange things for reasons we can't figure out and seems to have no goal of his own. Could be partially chalked up to Oda not knowing exactly what to do with the character, but there's kind of a trend of him letting himself get fucked up for dumb reasons.
No.884000
>>883725
>This. A lot of people forget, but Shanks supposedly got a stalemate with Kaido and forced Kaido to retreat without so much as a scratch.
Shanks is weird as fuck, the others let him do what the fuck he wants but he doesn't seem that powerful.
He might just has well talked Kaido down somehow (got him drunk?) than fight him.
No.884011
>>883989
I always assumed that was just Oda not knowing how far he'll powerscale the characters. I feel like he always wanted Shanks to be super important, that's why it was him giving the strawhat to Luffy, but back then he probably didn't know about all the haki powerups he'd have to add in order to maintain the feeling of power progression.
No.884034
>>883989
It got bitten off and then he told the Sea King to fuck off. It was weird from the outset. Maybe his arm got taken in the process of rescuing Luffy, like he snatched him from the jaws but couldn't get his arm out in time. That's always been how I've seen at least.
No.884047
>>884034
The early ideas for Haki were there in the first chapter, but I don't know if Oda purposefully had Shanks give up an arm for a reason that would come off as really foolish, or if he just didn't have the idea that people could will themselves to be tougher til much later. If Armament Haki was there from the earliest drafts, it's hard to imagine that Shanks's desire to keep his arm was not stronger than some shitty east blue shark's desire to eat a kid. If it wasn't, well, Oda just kind of wrote a weird thing later on that makes the early parts of the series something to handwave (wew) away because the stuff happening now is more important than whether or not Shanks needed to lose an arm.
No.884048
Haki isn't DBZ power levels. Huge blades with tons of weight, strength and momentum behind them should cut through anyone.
No.884205
>>884048
Literally all armament haki does it harden you. Someone who could cut through stone and steel normally should have no issue chopping a Haki'd up dude in half.
No.884266
Would Haki be less shit if it's only real use was against devil fruit users?
No.884287
>>884205
>>884048
Haki has varying degrees of hardness. This has been demonstrated over and over. The whole Katakuri fight was about how he was wielding advanced haki across the board. Have you been reading at all?
Only haki can cut through haki and that's been demonstrated too.
No.884293
>>884048
Vergo shattered metal weapons with an Armament Haki-hardened bamboo stick, blocked swords with his bare arm, and caused massive destruction by sheer force and hardness of his body. Haki circumvents physics.
No.884296
>>884293
>>884287
So you are saying a Haki'd sword could cut through literally anything? Why did Zoro bother to train at all instead of just learning Haki and cutting the world in half since the first island? Why isn't Mihawk the 5th emperor solely because of this? Why didn't Mr 1 just cut Impel Down to ribbons without breaking a sweat?
No.884301
>>884293
Didn’t stop Law from slicing him in half, though that might have been the power of the Operation fruit.
No.884378
if 2 strong Hakis meet then they just clash but if one is stronger then the other, the stronger one wins and cuts the other Haki
No.884898
>Lord Orochi is a literal yamata-no-orochi
I'm expecting some bizarre twist about this, no way Oda plays it straight this blatantly
No.884905
>>884898
>yamata-no-orochi
So he's some sort of Japanese hydra?
No.884941
>>884905
Basically except he doesnt regenerate. Im thinking he is gonna look as stupid as the other smile users
No.885235
>>884296
Zoro's Haki is already getting to the point where he's eventually going to be cutting diamond, Mihawk is lazy and has no ambition of taking a title like Yonkou, and Mr 1 wasn't all that strong, seeing as he was taken down by some low tier newbie like Zoro.
>>884301
The implication was that Law had gotten much stronger or that Vergo was weakening, because part of the reason Law feared him at all was because he'd gotten curbstomped by Vergo several times before and was initially unable to use his "cut fucking anything" powers on the guy.
No.886212
ONE PIECE WILL RETURN NEXT YEAR
No.886835
>>883576
He isnt weak he just takes more damage when hit now, but he seems like a strong fighter, he must have been to beat Ace even if Ace didnt have his powers.
Also Shanks said he 'bet' his arm on Luffy, he let it get bit off to teach Luffy a lesson about how dangerous being a pirate really is.
No.886931
>>886835
>Also Shanks said he 'bet' his arm on Luffy, he let it get bit off to teach Luffy a lesson about how dangerous being a pirate really is.
Some good that did, Luffy would be dead a few dozen times over by now if the entire story didn't hinge on keeping him alive.
No.888467
>>883989
>>884011
>>886835
>>886931
If Shanks just scared the thing away or tore it to pieces, it would have been a pointless moment. The significance of the scene was that he put his body in danger without hesitation for Luffy's sake, which is one of the reasons Luffy respects him deeply. Power levels take a backseat to character establishment.
No.888578
>>888467
>Power levels take a backseat to character establishment.
That's an interesting way to say that Oda left plotholes because he's been making shit up for decades.
No.889271