/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>733408

>Which girl should win?

Iroha.

>Which girl winning would cause the most butthurt?

Anyone who isn't Yukino.

>>733426

>anime only fag

Now, that's your problem right there. You know, people told Watari that there shouldn't be a second season, because the material is unadaptable. Yet he pushed for it, and now there is a second season that makes little to no sense, because many of the most important parts of the story are pieced together from 8man's monologues and his reactions to small interactions between people.

>>733471

I can recommend the LNs if you are interested in the ramblings of a Japanese man in his late twenties who is tired of life in Japan, because at least a good third of every book is just that. As for the story itself, it goes from "romcom gone wrong but in a funny way" to "being socially crippled is suffering". I both love and loathe the later, so I can't judge that change objectively.

>Full on Sociopath with a psychopath sister

>Attention whore who cannot live without praise and social affirmation

>Whoreslut who craves cum

8man has it tough.

>>733496

>the first time I delve into LNs because I never got the point of them

Well, many LNs are just manga with the picures replaced with more text, or the script of a future anime that's yet to be animated. This is different, because the author seems to be writing it from the heart. I might be projecting here, but Wataru seems to be the kind of man who is tired of being tired of everything, and he's pouring all of his conflicting feelings into the story. So his words can resonate with you if you are in a similar situation.

>>733438

Now he's trying to make more volumes yet for a season 3. funny how that works.

>>733760

Do you have a single source to back that up?

>>733766

Considering he's making more than one more volume, you can draw your own conclusions.

>>733770

Sources, give us sources. We need links to announcements and interviews, not baseless speculation.

>>733772

Here ya go anon-kun:

https://twitter.com/gagaga_bunko/status/908283818951417857

>>733778

Now that's something. I guess he found a way to write himself out of the corner he wrote himself into in the last ~3-4 volumes. And if he wants to milk the franchise then he can write more x.5, even x.25 books. For those who are not in the know, they are basically work like OVAs. They are chronological, but instead of some major happenings the author is just having fun with the characters. Actually, both OVAs of the adaptations and the 13th episode of the first season are based on these volumes. Still, I wonder how long he wants to make it. He already wrote things like "we are getting close to the end, thank you for coming with me to this journey" in the afterwords of the last few books.

Also, what was that about a possible third season and killing off Yukino?

+++ SITUATION REPORT +++

Volume 12 is out, and everybody is constantly shitposting, including the author himself. WW made a video where he claimed the following things:

>Qualidea Code was shitty because he was always late with the script

>volume 12 got delayed because he was constantly busy with some LN

>volume 13 is coming out in 5 years

This whole shit is just way over my head at this point.

>>735307

Some of the leaks I'm not sure what to believe

>vol 13 in 2022

pls no

>>735312

Just know this: the author must milk his cashcow, so whatever happens, it will be dragged out and tiresome.

What if in the end Hachiman ends up alone, just like it would work out in real life?

>>735639

>DRAMA is going strong

>8man has an uncertain relationship with both girls

>suddenly some conservative gentleman in his late 20s-early 30s swoops in into one of the girl's life

>he puts a ring on her after just a few months

>8man and co have no idea

>meanwhile he completely fucks up his relationship with the other girl

>turns out the whole story is about how shitty a feeling it is when a man from the previous generation marries the girl you like

>timeskip

>8man is a successful businessman in his late 20s

>he somehow gets in touch with Ruri-chan

>she is already a high school girl going to his old school

>they fall in love and get married

>some bitter high schooler curses both of them, because he was in love with Ruri-chan

>the circle continues

Just imagine the utter confusion and rage it would cause.

>>735660

Forgot to mention, but the majority of the last volume should be after the timeskip, so that their relationship can develop properly. Also, would you rike like this too?

>the cover of the last volume seems to be a copy of the cover of the first volume

>but 8man is in a suit and he somehow looks older

>the girl is Tsurumi Rumi who looks deceptively similar to Yukinoshita in her uniform at a glance, but you can see that she is a different girl

>but before the actual release of the book they release a redrawn version of the first cover with Yukino, claiming that this will be the actual cover

>>733408

Sensei deserves the best, fuck the other girls, bunch of shit.

>>735674

Yui isn't genuine though, which is what Hachiman wants in a relationship. Also Yui is bad for him, she lets him continuing to sacrifice himself because she wants him, Yuki however couldn't stand and watch it.

>dead fish Yukinon

>Yui is a nice normal girl

Were you even paying attention at all to Hachiman's internal monologues? He makes it clear these so called "personas" are him forcing his opinion of them unto them. He even makes this even more clear during Destinyland.

Would you spend ￥11,920 on this bedsheet?

>>736064

Indeed, the story is about trying to figure out people's true feelings and intentions through the lenses of a boy who is constantly denying some of his most important feelings. Making an anime out of that is just a bad idea.

>>736076

My long term goal is to be able to sleep on a hardwood floor, so no. Although I've only learned to sleep without a pillow so far.

Just a heads up: vol 13 and vol 14 will be released at the same time.

>>736244

>vol13 is 8man fucking everything up

>vol14 is Rumi winning after a timeskip

It would be REVOLUTIONARY and BRAVE.

>>736271

>Rumi gets bigger breasts than Yuki when older and has a hime cut

>>736938

>>736938

You forget how autistic the Yahari fanbase can be, I remember hearing that Watari was getting death threats from butthurt waifufags and so he had to rewrite vol 12 back in April.

>>736932

But the Rumi ending is the perfect cop out. None of the main girls win 8man, so they can get their own happy endings independent of him. And people who want him to be Batman will be satisfied. And Watari can write up to 30 volumes now, because it really doesn't matter in the long run, so he is set for at least a decade or two. And he can pretend to be some kind of an edgy artist who is hyperrealistic in his criticism of modern Japanese society, or some other bullshit.

>>736086

It's manly as fuck, and it helps to develop your muscles. And also useful, as other anons already pointed out.

>>736093

>hard wooden platform

Something like old ammo crates?

>>737466

Sensei is the only one who understands the Hachiman and his loneliness. Stop your blaspheming.

>>737283

Nah, the illustratir just changes his art style every few months at least a little bit, so the characters sometimes look radically different. Here are two pics from the LN for comparison.

>>739909

Yeah, I see. No matter what, Yuki looks really amazing.

>>740125

Most of her life was shaped by being constantly bullied for being too smart and beautiful. Of course she looks amazing. It's a pity that this doesn't translate well into the anime, because the strongest part is one of 8man's monologues about how stakes that stand out don't get hammered down; instead they are pulled out and thrown away.

>>740273

I wonder is that the reason why Yukinon tries so hard to change Hachiman? She hates people ridiculing him? When Yui accepts the status quo, it relaly frustrates Yukino for some reason.

>>740280

I'm not sure about her early motivation, maybe even Hachiman is misunderstanding her, but he speaks about noblesse oblige, and that seems to be a good explanation. She's completely alone in this world, and she wants to change it. Just look at her survey. I can't be bothered to propelly cut it out from the pdf file, so enjoy these quick screencaps. And she always gives her everything for whatever she does, to the point that it's actually one of her faults. And sensei entrusted on her some "edgy" boy who was openly said how he doesn't want to make any effort to turn his life better (other than marrying a girl who will support him with money). If we put these together then it's quite possible that she went all out because of the pure contempt she felt for 8man. Then it later changed into some bizarre love-hate relationship, expect that both of them deny their actual feelings for various reasons.

>>740286

I think there is multiple answers to that question and neither is wrong. His nihilism is what motivates her to get him to stop being so "edgy" but then the Sagami incident happened and her opinion of him changed. Considering how she got very flustered over the rumors her classmates said of Yukino dating Hachiman and that he scarified himself for her sake.

Fastforwarding a bunch of events and melting ice of her character, many are wondering if she feels dependence or actual the genuine thing that Hachiman wants. This is why she did the thing with the prom in vol 12.

>>740302

Indeed, a significant problem here is that the story is still ongoing, so we can speculate all we want, Watari might just throw theories out of the window in a new volume. I still can't wrap my head around this "dependency issues" thing without reading the actual volume. So far the dynamics in the story were like this:

>request comes in

>Yukino starts searching for an answer

>Yui is confused

>Hachiman throws in his commentary, helping Yukino forming a plan

>Yukino starts acting on his plan with Yui in tow

>they encounter some problem that she can't solve

>Hachiman turns into 8man and does his thing without telling anyone

>his thing being social suicide, or at least something so twisted most people would consider him to be a douchebag if they heard of it

Can you see any dependency from Yukino here? Honestly, it sounds like something Haruno made up to confuse Hachiman about his own feelings. A perfect excuse to push the story forward with more drama.

>>740344

Thanks, they've got the first season's CD.

I think I've reached a new realm of autism, because a few things came to my mind as I was reading Decline of the West from Spengler, and the summary of volume 14 was still fresh in my mind. So, Spengler speaks about "racial instinct", which is basically people's willingness to be a manly man or a womanly woman and do what life wants them to do. The strength of this varies with every person, but it can be dialed down too, and he calls it "denying life". With these in mind, let's take a look at our cast:

>Hachiman

His instinct are there, as evident by his childhood, but he fall into a strange form of asceticism. He denies life in a way that reminds me of a monk. He tries his best to look down at those who just want to live their life without overthinking anything. And he claims that he wants to be a house husband, esentially a woman from society's point-of-view. Yet his instirincts were awakened during the story, and it created an internal conflict that he doesn't even realize consciously

>Yukino

Her racial instincts are also there, but she wants to enter the world of business and politics, the world of men. In this sense she is the equal opposite of Hachiman. Of course we don't know her perspective as well as 8man's, but at one point in the story she hinted at the possibility that she might choose an other path in life. And that's quite something from her.

>Yui

The perfect example of a fellah woman. Fellah people are the formless masses who are alive only because they are already born but yet to die. Her racial instincs are somehow weak, but it's enough to dominate her simple mind.

>Iroha

Now, her racial instincts are a true force to behold! She is more than ready to drag a man into her life and force him to do his duty. She's just looking for the right man and the right moment.

Keeping all these admittedly strange things in mind, I say if Iroha choose Hachiman to be her mate, then he'd be powerless against her, and he would live the life of a family man. It would be similar with Yui, expect that she doesn't have the willpower to overforce our hero and drag him into her lair. As for Yukino, her autism completely killed off her instincts, so she can't do anything to win this cup.

But! If the racial instincts of Hachiman were indeed awakened during the story, then he will shed his whole life philosophy now. Or more like his anti-life philosophy. And this is why he is the one who have to confront Yukino's mother, because Yukino isn't a manly man, therefore she can't win against a woman by playing the role of a man. Maybe it will break her and she will lash out against Hachiman. Maybe Hachiman will suddenly turn into a modern day samurai and it will touch Yukino's heart so much that she too will get rid of her dreams of being a man. In either case, if I am right, then this will turn into one of the manliest seinens ever created.

>>742843

>the manliest seinen ever created

This is really the crux of why I like this series so much. 8man as a character is a real breath of fresh air compared to usual spineless faggots and the fact that he does things his own way helps that

Your autistic line of comparison was very interesting to read and I thank you for it.

>strange form of acesticism

His denial of life is where his strength as an individual comes from, it's why he as a person is so "potent" and creates such an impression on everyone around him. It allows him to create solutions to problems no one else could think of, and he acts on these solutions to produce results. It is what Julius Evola would call a "virile ascesticism." A seperation from life that creates freedom from baseness and unrivaled strength for action, and which depends on this action, otherwise it has no reason to exist. 8man thinks of things in similar terms as well, as we see in the fact that he often lauds his own independence.

8man's problem though is that he really does desire to have someone else in his life, which creates the conflict you mentioned. He didn't choose the path of virile ascesticism out of genuine desire for it, but as a response to social isolation. If this is the case, then, it follows that what proceeds from his mode of living is as messed up as the circumstances which created it, hence his cognitive dissonance when he's surrounded with girls who want his dick.

>I say if Iroha choose Hachiman to be her mate, then he'd be powerless against her, and he would live the life of a family man

Don't be so quick to write off the 8man! He has inner strength, even if it's marred by existential crisis. For Hachiman the resolution of this crisis absolutely comes first, since he knows that without a resolution there would be no Genuine. He has too much faith in his own character to let Iroha seduce him. (That is, if he doesn't actually end up choosing her but that seems unlikely)

>he will shed his whole life philosophy

This is probably the way things are going. The whole story is essentially about a handful of spergs trying to get close to one another, so I sense that it will proceed towards a resolution to that, even if only partially. This would obviously necessitate the awakening of Haciman's racial instincts, as you say. The overarching message will be something along the lines of "a normal life is best, but isn't a fairytale and doesn't always work out the way one expects it."

In any case we can expect a fine ending I think.

>>743128

>Your autistic line of comparison was very interesting to read and I thank you for it.

Glad to hear that, although it may be just a distraction for me so that my mind can deal with the surprisingly new perspective of world history.

>It allows him to create solutions to problems no one else could think of, and he acts on these solutions to produce results.

I think we can agree that he is kind of a "warrior monk", because the solutions he comes up with are often about dealing face-to-face with people, regardless of the consequences. And that's quite manly by the standards of Japanese high schoolers. Of course he would be a sissy boy in some frontier where the standard problem solving is beating the shit out of people. But in his own world he is indeed a man with an iron spine.

>He has too much faith in his own character to let Iroha seduce him.

I'm not so sure about that. Remember, Iroha is a crafy little devil. If she indeed choose Hachiman, I think she would try to worm her way towards his mind in such a way that 8man would find comfort and peace in her. But she didn't actually choose him so far, so she is indeed just playing around with him. Of course she's using him for various odd jobs too, but that's the whole point of the service club, so I don't think you can hold it against her.

>a normal life is best, but isn't a fairytale and doesn't always work out the way one expects it.

That seems plausible, but you assume that every story has a message to tell. I honestly believe that there is at least a bit of self-reflection going on with Zaimokuza. Remember his first appearance in the story? He is somebody who writes because he has to write, and he is happy as long as somebody reads his works. Even if Watari isn't like that, he at least recognizes that there are such people out there, and he doesn't have to pack a message with his story. Remember, quite a lot of the books is just his random ramblings presented as the inner thoughts of 8man. Damn, there are whole pages describing the railway lines of Chiba!

>In any case we can expect a fine ending I think.

The only thing I can actually expect in life is Juan Ovoes in the Wreckage Brother. Even if Watari writes a good ending, it might get rejected by the editor and we get something terrible put together by a committee.

>>743556

Just to clarify, by crafty little devil I mean thatshe's a mischiveous girl with wits, not that she's a succubus on a quest to drain 8man's bodily fluids. Other than that, we've arrived to a point where we really don't have anything to argue about.

>>736078

>>736064

This is probably a dumb question, but is Yukino's feelings for Hachiman a bit more clear in the LN? In the anime I couldn't tell if she liked him romantically or as a brother figure.

>>746611

Not at all, because this question seems to be one of the main points of vol 12. As the story progresses she goes from a girl who is just too perfect for her own good -what is the female equivalent of Übermensch?- to a vulnerable girl who was (somehow accidentally) forced to walk this lonely path of perfection by her family. Which sounds very strange if we spell it out like this, but I really can't give you a better explanation based on the story so far. So even her "true" character is a big question mark. Maybe she's just very awkward around boys due to her bad experiences, and 8man is completely misinterpreting her.

Found this in volume 6.5. Maybe 8man is actually a big guy?