/8bantb/ - Random Banter

>>295

No they made it illegal in all non retard countries for the fun of it and to entertain the jews. No laws have any justification do they really? We should all just be able to murder each other. I'd start with you OP.

>>308

I guess the "retard countries" didn't get the memo that they should abandon the moral system that lead them to this point in favor of a purely hedonistic society that values thoughtlessly fucking total strangers and aborting all the accidents that come of it until you're down to your last rotten egg and then raising that autistic fuck up alone in a broken home with no father figure because you don't even know who it is.

>>308

Typical pedophobe… Can't express itself and resorts to violence.

>>322

If daddy says it's alright, then it's alright.

>>320

if you wanna live somewhere with no cp laws, go live in afghanistan. you'll love it i'm sure.

also, just cause western societies have problems doesn't make fucking kids ok.

>>322

i've expressed myself clearly. not my problem you can't comprehend english.

>>347

The abandonment of the morality that actually worked and had no problem with fucking kids as long as you married them first is the entire reason why western societies have problems. Do you see people in afghanistan that still follow the morality of their religion in the death spiral of the west where they can't even meet a replacement rate and need to import those muslims en masse to even ensure there will be future generations? Your ideology is so retarded its literally wiping itself off the face of the earth.

Also nobody gives a shit about CP laws, unless you're madthad bragging on facebook that the fbi didn't find your CP drive when they searched his house for bragging about having CP you have nothing to fear, I'm not going to be told what I can and can't look at in the privacy of my own home.

>>353

fucking kids harms kids

afghanistan and similar countries are backward shitholes. if they're not, why dont u live there?

people are still breeding, less may be, but still breeding. i doubt you are though.

if you dont care about cp laws like u claim why dont you post some here? search online for people being prosecuted for it and i know irl pedo who served jail for cp.

>>354

Yes coercing, molesting, and raping is bad but being intimate with the person you're going to spend the rest of your life with isn't harmful regardless of whether they're 12 or 20.

I wasn't born into the middle east and indoctrinated into islam so I don't stand a chance at living there but I guarantee if I was I'd find life more fulfilling than the pure shortsighted hedonism of the western world.

I don't post CP because I'm clearly not a shitposter that wouldn't care if all his posts get deleted because they're just substanceless shit anyway, if sharing CP is what I wanted to do why in the fuck would I do it here?

>>358

a 12 year old doesn't understand the implications of making such a huge commitment as marriage, the adult man is at an unfair advantage.

you could learn the islam way of life. you won't move there cause they're backwards.

you dont post cp cause you're scared of the consequences

>>359

You don't get to decide who can and can't make their own life choices, you don't get to decide why I'm unable to live in the middle east, and you don't get to decide why I don't want to post CP. Have some valid reasoning behind your points or shut the fuck up.

>>360

>a 12 year old doesn't understand the implications of making such a huge commitment as marriage, the adult man is at an unfair advantage.

Is this not valid reasoning?

You state you like rules in shithole countries so go live there or ur full of shit.

You state you don't care for CP laws so post it then or ur full of shit.

>shut the fuck up

i've won

>>361

Valid reasoning would be showcasing why they aren't able to understand these things instead of just asserting that its the case, something nobody has been able to do which is why the age of consent varies drastically across the globe, its just a baseless opinion.

I'm not about to live a lie in another country in fear of if I slip up having my head chopped off for apostasy. If I was indoctrinated into their religion early on to genuinely believe it that would be one thing but its too late now and although barbaric their enforcement of their religion in their country has stopped the slippery slope thats happening in the west from happening there and I can respect that.

I've already explained why I don't post CP, the overzealous mods here will delete everything I've spent time writing as a deterrent which I'm sure you'd love since you don't have a leg to stand on in this discussion and thats why you're pushing so hard to get me to do it.

>>363

Valid reasoning is OBVIOUSLY a 12 year old is basically a retard unable to make huge life decisions. AOC may vary but hardly anywhere is as low as 12 and nowhere in the west.

Yes ure paragraph confirms what i've been implying, countries with no cp laws are shitholes, coincidence?

You stated you dont care about CP laws yet wont post any so actually you do care.

"Leg to stand on"? i dont need one. my stance is that of all western countries. i seek no change it the laws. i'm happy about them.

>>364

Saying obviously in capital letters isn't valid reasoning.

Middle eastern ideology is going to take over your countries within a few generations at this rate considering you don't even have a 2 children per couple birth rate and theirs is around 4, if your society can't stand the test of time then its the shithole.

A mod on this site waving his dick around has nothing to do with CP laws, this point of attack is retarded and isn't going to work.

Why do you even bother trying to defend the western position if you admit yourself it has no leg to stand on?

>>366

i gave u reasoning u have no answer to

islam wont replace christianity, islam in the west isnt as retarded as nigger islam, and even if it did replace christianity who cares we'll all be dead.

where did i say i have no leg to stand on?

>>368

I've refuted every shitty attempt at an argument you can come up with, show me one thing you've brought up that I haven't addressed.

This was never about christianity vs islam, this was about western vs eastern ideologies. It just so happens that the middle east has stuck to the ideals imposed by their religion and the west has abandoned theirs. If your fallback to anything is going to be "who cares we'll be dead" then why do you even give a shit about any of this? Why not just let muslims take over your country and gang rape all your children because we're all just dust in the wind anyway? Oh right you're already doing that.

I don't understand why you're even defending the status quo in the west when you clearly don't give a shit whether its viable enough to survive, what drives you to attempt to defend something so clearly indefensible? And speaking of the status quo you yourself said you don't need a leg to stand on because you approve of the status quo as if that makes you right by default. If that were true we'd still think we're the center to the universe on a flat earth, if the status quo is indefensible then its going to change.

>>348

>I'll start by murdering you

<I didn't say anything violent

Pedophobes never were good at logic

The age of consent is based on two irrational beliefs.

1 Sex is dirty

2 think of the children!!!

1 Sex is normal and natural

2 "think of the children" is an ethical fallacy used to cease debate and logical reasoning. It's an appeal to pity and is baseless in logic.

>>372

>I've refuted every shitty attempt at an argument you can come up with, show me one thing you've brought up that I haven't addressed.

Durr >>361 >>364 have u really no u haven't:

<a 12 year old doesn't understand the implications of making such a huge commitment as marriage, the adult man is at an unfair advantage

You a pervert AND you can't do basic arguing i've noticed this is a pattern with pedo's what does this mean?

>>413

Aoc is to stop perverts like you taking advantage of the naivety of children.

>>416

Once again simply asserting your point doesn't make it true, I asked for evidence and your only response was "well OBVIOUSLY its true" and yet you think you can accuse anyone else of being unable to do basic arguing?

>>424

What part of a 12 year old having a retarded mind unable to understand the commitment and gravity of lifelong marriage do you not understand?

>>425

I don't understand it because you haven't showcased how its true in any way, you've just asserted that its true over and over and over again as if I'll just accept it as long as you tell me one more time.

>>417

<pervert

>Sex is dirty

<naivety of children

>THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

I rest my case.

>>426

I'd smash

>>454

which one?

>>458

I'm not picky

>>474

>roastie and simp triggering intensifies

>>448

>I don't understand it because you haven't showcased how its true in any way

if u dont realise they are undeveloped humans at that age incapable of properly comprehending life and making important decisions you are a retard. go google studies on the cognitive and emotional difference of kids and adult brains.

>>493

Sex itself does not harm a minor. Forceful sex, guilt (I'm not pure anymore), and society convincing them they should be traumatized is what harms them.

An abhorrent cycle that stemmed from Christian roots, sex with children is said to harm them but it's that very philosophy that does so. If society does not place such importance on sex or act as if the minor must be traumatized (for example if you console a toddler after a minor injury it often starts crying) then the child will not be hurt by consensual sex.

>>499

>the child will not be hurt by consensual sex.

but a child cannot consent to an adult, so even if it appears so, the child realises later in life it was taken advantage of which can cause damage.

>Children do not have the capacity for future-oriented thought and are not sufficiently educated to make decisions on sex. Children are foolish, credulous, and weak, and thus far more vulnerable to exploitation and abuse by pedo's who just want to fuck them.

>Children can't consent to sex with ADULTS because there is a power differential that makes it impossible to prevent coercion via intimidation, undue influence, quid pro quo considerations, and other aspects of a massively unequal playing ground.

>Children are incapable of taking responsibility for certain actions . . . not only regarding sex, but also regarding nutrition, education, medical care, shelter, emotional and many other aspects of their lives. There's power differences. A child is very easily persuaded by authority figures (parents, relatives, older friends and family members)

https://www.indianaprevention.org/youth-suicide-statistics

>Child sexual abuse victims are 7 times more likely to commit suicide

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11825135

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15894146

>Increased risk for serious adverse outcomes has been associated with a history of childhood sexual abuse (CSA).

>The long-term impact of CSA on multiple health and social problems was similar for both men and women. These findings strongly indicate that boys and girls are vulnerable to this form of childhood maltreatment; the similarity in the likelihood for multiple behavioral, mental, and social outcomes among men and women suggests the need to identify and treat all adults affected by CSA.

Anecdotal evidence the following may be but i know irl a kid who repeatedly 'consented' to a man in his 40's, she has grown up to be a total mental fuck up.

>>500

Did you read my statement? An if then statement is conditional on the if clause. These sources do not consider the context of the conditional.

>>502

>muh sex with kids is ok as long as it's not forceful or that society doesn't brainwash them it was wrong

My reply was:

>Children can't consent to sex with ADULTS because there is a power differential that makes it impossible to prevent coercion via intimidation, undue influence, quid pro quo considerations, and other aspects of a massively unequal playing ground.

>Children are incapable of taking responsibility for certain actions . . . not only regarding sex, but also regarding nutrition, education, medical care, shelter, emotional and many other aspects of their lives. There's power differences. A child is very easily persuaded by authority figures (parents, relatives, older friends and family members)

>>500

>>507

This dumb argument could just as easily be made in service of illegalizing sex between men and women due to the intelligence and power differential between the two. How is a woman supposed to properly consent on such an unequal playing ground where the man could just hold her down and rape her at any given moment if she displeases him and theres nothing she can do about it?

>>295

Vaush, is that you?

>>508

>men and women due to the intelligence and power differential between the two.

men and women are of similar intelligence. yes rape is illegal isn't it.

A woman can consent because she is an adult.

Is being a misogynist as well as a pedophile another one of your 'qualities'? lol

>>512

You could just as easily use the weasel word of similar to say men and women have similar strength but similar doesn't mean equal, the difference in strength between the sexes will still lead to a power imbalance in the same way that the intellectual differences will, even if that intellectual difference manifests itself as a male CEO that got there due to his superior intellect exerted that power over his secretary.

You wouldn't accept me saying rape is illegal as a defense for allowing children to consent so why would you think you can use it as a defense?

Saying women can consent because they're adults is totally ignoring your own logic in whether we can determine if someone can consent based on a power differential. Was there nothing wrong with the women coerced and intimidated into having sex with harvey weinstein under threat of their careers being destroyed a perfectly okay thing because they're adults that agreed to fuck him under those circumstances?

>>513

>Was there nothing wrong with the women coerced and intimidated into having sex with harvey weinstein under threat of their careers being destroyed a perfectly okay thing because they're adults that agreed to fuck him under those circumstances?

No their wasn't, that's why he's in jail

To equate grown women giving consent to a child giving consent is just stupid. One has a fully developed brain, the other hasn't.

And just because adult power differences exist between adults irl doesn't make power differences between children and adults irrelevant when it comes to consent.

>>515

>No their wasn't

should be

*Yes there was*

>>515

You don't have a fully developed brain until 25 so few of the women harvey weinstein coerced into sex actually had fully developed brains yet they're considered adults capable of consent. Until you can showcase the part in brain development that enables or disables the ability to give informed consent to something brain development isn't a valid argument.

If things like rape and coercion being illegal and harvey weinstein going to jail for it makes the power differential between men and women irrelevant then why don't they make the power differential between the ages irrelevant? I've showcased how men can abuse their power differential to get sex with women in the same way you've showcased it in children, so whats the difference that makes one irrelevant in the grand scheme of things but not the other?

>>517

>so whats the difference that makes one irrelevant in the grand scheme of things but not the other?

power balances, manipulation, coercion, like what weinstein is relevant, he went to jail for it. just as an adult would for fucking a kid.

just cos men may use power to get sex doesn't mean using an adults power to fuck a kid is correct.

a kid is at much greater risk of being manipulated by an adult as they are stupid.

>You don't have a fully developed brain until 25

a brain aged 18 is obviously much more capable than that of a childs

>>519

Except theres cases where a man can get together with a woman without abusing his power over her and in those cases you think the power imbalance between them is irrelevant, so why can't the power imbalance be irrelevant in this case too so long as the adult is just as considerate not to abuse his power as a man would be with a woman?

>>520

the power between a grown man and a grown woman will not have the same potential for abuse for as the power balance between a child and a grown adult.

>>520

>so long as the adult is just as considerate not to abuse his power

this is impossible, and lets face it how many pedo's even attempt to do this?

>>Children can't consent to sex with ADULTS because there is a power differential that makes it impossible to prevent coercion via intimidation, undue influence, quid pro quo considerations, and other aspects of a massively unequal playing ground.

>>521

>>522

You have a very strange and contradictory mix of someone who wants to keep being allowed to fuck women purely out of self interest but also uses feminist "all men are pigs" talking points that say its impossible for men not to abuse women and cite rape and domestic abuse statistics.

Tell me, what makes your line of reasoning different from that of a man hating feminist?

>>523

>Tell me, what makes your line of reasoning different from that of a man hating feminist?

May be because i'm not a man hating feminist? Exactly where i have stated all men are pigs?

If anyone hates people it's you with statements like this:

>men and women due to the intelligence and power differential between the two

Yeh it's ok to fuck a woman just to please yourself because she's not a retarded 8 yr old who doesn't know what they're doing. An adult makes their own decisions and mistakes with a developed brain so it's down to them. A kid is a retard and pedo's take advantage of that.

Intelligence difference between men and women? Really? A few IQ here or there?

>>524

I didn't say you were a man hating feminist, I said your talking points are just like theirs. Only instead of wailing "SOMEBODY THINK OF THE WHAMEN!" you're wailing "SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

My question was what makes you different than them, what makes their hatred of men and inability to see them as being reasonable and not abusing their power any different from your hatred of pedos and inability to see them as being reasonable and not abusing their power?

Why should I not be compelled by a feminists irrational hatred but I should be compelled by yours?

How can you explain men being grossly over represented in almost all positions of power if not as a result of an imbalance in intellect between the sexes? If you're about to say its because of the patriarchy then you might have a lot more in common with feminists than I originally thought.

>>525

Intelligence as measured by IQ between men and women has been proven to be broadly similar, in fact more women are getting degrees now. Ratios of men in power are related to traditions of women generally not opting for such careers and looking after kids.

Yeh i do think of the kids for the reasons given above proving the damage abuse causes and witnessing it irl. You obviously don't give a fuck.

>being reasonable and not abusing their power any different from your hatred of pedos and inability to see them as being reasonable and not abusing their power

It's impossible for a pedo to not use their power and lets be realistic how many pedo's attempt not do this? Do u filter out the empathetic pedo's when u fap to cp? No u don't. You just want to bust a nut u don't care about the kid.

>>527

Intelligence in men varies more drastically, meaning theres far more retards and far more geniuses among men, where women hardly vary leaving the vast majority of them simply mediocre. The only reason women are getting more degrees now is thanks to affirmative action, while men have to contend with skyrocketing student debts that will last their entire life if they choose a greater education women get to do it for free. Yet even with such an advantage we aren't seeing comparable rise in women CEOs for the same reason that all the movies and games being built by diversity hires end up bombing, because these people aren't actually qualified to be in the positions that the men earned by merit.

I don't find your position based on anecdotal experience of child abuse any more compelling than a man hating feminists position toward men thats colored by her status as a victim of rape or whos friend have been raped. Your opinions are the way they are due to purely emotional reasons and in that way you won't be able to convince others to take the same position. You asserting that its impossible for pedos to not abuse their power is no more based in reality than the feminists assertion of it being impossible for men to not abuse their power because they're all pigs.

Do you do extensive research to ensure the porn that you're fapping to isn't the result of coercion or a revenge porn scenario from a spiteful boyfriend? No you don't because you just want to bust a nut, drop the holier than thou attitude because you're no different.

>>529

>Intelligence in men varies more drastically, meaning theres far more retards and far more geniuses among men, where women hardly vary leaving the vast majority of them simply mediocre.

whatever. on average there's very little difference in IQ.

>men have to contend with skyrocketing student debts that will last their entire life if they choose a greater education women get to do it for free.

i dont think so, where i come from women pay for their education just like men.

>I don't find your position based on anecdotal experience of child abuse any more compelling than a man hating feminists position toward men thats colored by her status as a victim of rape or whos friend have been raped.

fine. but i'm not a feminist and you can't change what i've witnessed irl.

>Your opinions are the way they are due to purely emotional reasons

my opinion is based on the studies proving damage above and witnessing a kid being fucked up thru being fucked by an adult

>you won't be able to convince others to take the same position

do u really think or believe i can persuade pedo's to my position? lol. the only people 's opinions that matter are the people deciding laws and they share my position.

>You asserting that its impossible for pedos to not abuse their power is no more based in reality than the feminists assertion of it being impossible for men to not abuse their power because they're all pigs.

there is much more potential for abuse between kids and adults than between adults and adults.

>Do you do extensive research to ensure the porn that you're fapping to isn't the result of coercion or a revenge porn scenario from a spiteful boyfriend?

Most adult porn is none of things so i assume it isnt and if it was i'd lose interest. Child pornography is very often the result of abuse as you very well know but you dont care.

>>530

Theres plenty of studies showcasing the harm men do to women and that theres far more potential for abuse between men and women than women and women, should it be legally mandated that everyone be gay because of that and we just use artificial wombs or surrogacy to breed instead? If not then its not a valid reason to illegalize any other form of sexual relationship either, the people who victimize others are the ones that should be punished, not everyone under the same demographic as that person.

The amount of CP thats abusive is so rare that its heavily restricted within CP communities just like genuine rape videos featuring adults are, the vast majority of whats out there is self produced by the kids themselves on webcams that go on chat sites to whore themselves out for attention just like their adult equivalents and its so plentiful that you could probably find some new CP being produced at this very moment on the various chat sites that exist.

I understand why you'd have no idea about this because the propaganda used to fuel the pedo hysteria in the west requires you to believe that the CP industry is just nonstop child rape because if the truth got out that the largest producers of CP was the kids themselves then how could they be portrayed as innocent victims being preyed on by inhuman monsters? Plus how could they justify arresting those monsters for having CP under the guise of stopping them from monetarily supporting an industry of child rape when in reality its being given out for free by the kids themselves at such a rate that you'd be insane to even try and charge someone for CP at this point?

>>536

>Theres plenty of studies showcasing the harm men do to women and that theres far more potential for abuse between men and women than women and women

yeh a small minority of men do damage women yeh, but as it's a minority do it it shouldn't be illegal. Kid/adult fucking has been proven to cause damage at a much higher rate, hence it being illegal

>The amount of CP thats abusive is so rare that its heavily restricted within CP communities

of fuck off just cause the adult doing the fucking isn't pinning the kid down doesn't mean it's not abusive. did the kid give permission for it's face and genitals to be plastered all over some websites? for all the reasons above you've already been pointed to multiple times an adult fucking a kid is abusive.

>self produced by the kids themselves on webcams that go on chat sites…(so me fapping to kids ok)

so u and other pedos only fap to kids playing with themselves? lol sure ok yeh

>>621

Well it can't say no

>>621

no you're a fucking plantophile kys

>>633

>no you're a fucking plantophile kys

Sorry, not an argument. Arguing from a point of emotion, as you did, is cringe. It is a boomer tier attempt at virtue signaling, because you can not cope.

Now, I will make an airtight case that will refute your statement. Consider the following. Plantophilia has long been a part of a healthy and prosperous society. The foundation of society in fact. Our ancient ancestors were honorable plantophiles and it was because of them and their customs that we live in the world that we do today. An honorable plantophile will only engage in relations with a plant, such as ficus, that cannot object. As failure to object is consent. This is a logical argument that antis refuse to wrap their heads around. An honorable plantophile would not, for example, engage in relations, with mandrake should the mandrake scream loudly and object. As every good argument requires citation, I will provide a link to another thread on this very board…

https://8kun.top/8bantb/res/635.html

Here you will find an example of how the ancient Egyptians engaged in relation with lettuce…

>The ancient Egyptians coomed on lettuce

>The lettuce did not object

>The act was consensual

>The ancient Egyptians built the pyramids

Therefor…

PLANTOPHILES DID NOTHING WRONG!

>>615

You have no idea if the rate is higher when it comes to children being harmed compared to women, if you were doing studies on whether or not it was harmful for men and women to be in a relationship and the only subjects you had to analyze were rape victims then you would come to the conclusion that its harmful, that is the equivalent to the studies you've cited.

Do you think the porn sites that have countless numbers of amateur porn videos were given express permission by every single person to have those videos uploaded? How many of those home videos do you think were uploaded by the boyfriend after they broke up with no knowledge from the woman in the video? Nobody gives a shit if the people in these videos gave express permission to fap to them, you fapping to them makes absolutely no difference. The person doesn't get a ptsd flashback every time someone blows a load to their leaked sex tape. Once again get off your moral high horse because your porn habits are just as unethical by your own standards.

>>643

>You have no idea if the rate is higher when it comes to children being harmed compared to women

I haven't researched it no, but i could if you want me to, and the many people i've known irl having decent men / women relationships seems to indicate generally they are ok. It's obvious men and women relationships have less potential for abuse as 1 of them isn't a retard that can be taken advantage of.

>Do you think the porn sites that have countless numbers of amateur porn videos were given express permission by every single person to have those videos uploaded?

I dont use amateur porn sites i and imagine far more of them have permission to upload them than kids in cp do, none of the kids have any say in uploading the pornography they are in.

>Nobody gives a shit if the people in these videos gave express permission to fap to them, you fapping to them makes absolutely no difference.

Oh i do, I don't even watch amateur porn, and if knew porn was revenge porn i wouldn't watch it. Just because u don't care where or how your pornography was made doesn't mean others do.

>Once again get off your moral high horse because your porn habits are just as unethical by your own standards.

lol. I don't fap to kids being abused on camera, you do. We are very different ethically.

>>645

oops should be

*Just because u don't care where or how your pornography was made doesn't mean others don't*

>>643

You have no idea if the rate is higher when it comes to children being harmed compared to women, if you were doing studies on whether or not it was harmful for men and women to be in a relationship and the only subjects you had to analyze were rape victims then you would come to the conclusion that its harmful, that is the equivalent to the studies you've cited.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/83-percent-of-americans-report-being-happy-in-their-relationships-300791440.html

>83 Percent of Americans Report Being "Happy" In Their Relationships

There's no need to ban adult relationships based on this.

The research I've quoted above show kids are often harmed by adults fucking them, that's why it's illegal. Laws exist for a reason.

>>645

The point is you don't know if the porn you're watching is revenge porn or if the site you're watching it on had the permission of the people in it to upload it for you to view, yet you fap to it anyway. Also you're probably more likely to watch abusive videos with all the bondage and bdsm shit that goes on in mainstream porn than I am, I don't get off to that rapey shit.

>>647

Except that study was done on people in relationships and the studies you're using to prove harm are done purely on rape victims. If there was a study on whether or not heterosexual sex was harmful and the only people they got data from were rape victims then the results would be exactly the same as the studies you're using against me. Its no different than the studies they do to discredit pedos by interviewing convicted ones and find things like a lower average IQ and then declare all pedos are dumb even though ANY criminal population has a lower IQ than the general public.

These studies prove absolutely nothing because they can't find a relationship to analyze, any successful one thats lasted until the younger person has become an adult would have to take that secret to their grave because if it was found out the older person would get imprisoned for the better part of their life. If all you have to analyze is one off rapes of kids then the only conclusion you can come to is that rape is bad, well no shit.

>>649

>The point is you don't know if the porn you're watching is revenge porn or if the site you're watching it on had the permission of the people in it to upload it for you to view,

The porn i watch is produced by professional companies filmed on porn film sets starring professional porn stars, it's not revenge porn.

>Also you're probably more likely to watch abusive videos

I don't watch abuse videos, you do. And bondage and bdsm is still done with an adults consent. You're cp is not.

>that study was done on people in relationships and the studies you're using to prove harm are done purely on rape victims.

No it's not. This for example was taken from people who had or had not been abused:

https://www.indianaprevention.org/youth-suicide-statistics

>Child sexual abuse victims are 7 times more likely to commit suicide

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11825135

>A history of CSA (child sexual abuse), reported by 16.7% of the women and 5.4% of the men,

>Self-reported CSA was associated with increased risk for adverse outcomes

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15894146

>Contact CSA was reported by 16% of males and 25% of females.

>The long-term impact of CSA on multiple health and social problems was similar for both men and women.

>If all you have to analyze is one off rapes of kids then the only conclusion you can come to is that rape is bad

There's no good kiddy fucking or bad kiddy fucking. Those studies would have been made up of those who thought they consented, were coerced or manipulated, or raped. All of it is abuse.

Why do you think cp and fucking children is illegal? Do you think it's a conspiracy? Do you think it was done for the lulz?

>>651

None of the porn I watch is abusive, theres nothing arousing to me about someone being forced into sexual acts against their will. Whether adult bdsm porn is consensual or not it doesn't change the fact that only sadists that get off to sexually torturing people are going to like it.

Those studies asked the subjects if they were sexually abused in their childhood, nobody that had a consensual experience they had no problem with would claim it as sexual abuse so the only thing those studies are analyzing is rape and molestation and no shit they come to the conclusion that its bad. Anyone being raped or molested at any age will be psychologically damaged by it. In the studies done that don't specify only abusive sexual encounters the harm goes away because its the abuse part thats harmful not the sexual part, only those studies get buried and the researchers careers destroyed for going against the presupposed narrative.

If you look at the origin of the age of consent in the U.S for example you'll see that it was womens rights activists that pushed for it. Now imagine for a second what a bunch of old hag womens rights activists past their prime would have to gain by illegalizing the most attractive prime age girls from being able to marry or have sex with men and turning them into jailbait so that men are forced to only go after older women in fear of legal repercussions. Well all of a sudden those old hags have sexual value again because they've leveled the playing field and no longer have to compete with the girls men find the most attractive.

Isn't it weird that the countries without womens rights don't have ridiculous age of consent laws like you find in the west? Either the men in those countries don't give a shit about the apparent life destroying harm thats happening to their children for having sex and getting married under 18 or that its only the old female lawmakers that have something to gain by legally forcing men to only be able to marry and have sex with them rather than the younger girls they naturally go after.

>>654

Actually some of those cases probably were consensual but they reported it as rape because the alleged victims realized how much they have to gain from it.

>>654

>None of the porn I watch is abusive

I don't believe kids can consent due to the reasons i've already given, but how do you know the kids in the cp haven't been coerced or manipulated as this wouldn't be obvious to you? Before you reply how do you adult pornstars aren't? There's much less chance of this happening as they're not retarded children and they're professionals getting paid.

>it's not abusive if it's not rape

An adult fucking a kid is always abusive to some extent whether the kid thinks it consents or not. Kids cannot properly consent. See above.

>Now imagine for a second what a bunch of old hag womens rights activists past their prime….. Well all of a sudden those old hags have sexual value again

I don't believe this for a second and this demonstrates you have something against adult women. Just because i can't fuck a 7 yr old doesn't make me lust after 'old hags', i like 16-35 yr old women, so your logic is flawed.

>Isn't it weird that the countries without womens rights

Just as i thought you are a prejudiced person as well as being a pedophile. The 2 seem to be common.

I appreciate you responding to me in thread but i won't reply again as you have issues away from pedophilia which make it pointless arguing with you.

I understand the general thing of what you're getting at, that a kid/adult sexual relationship without purposeful coercion, maninpulation, or rape might not be abusive. But i believe a kid cannot properly consent to an adult, and lets be honest plenty of pedo's do use coercion and manipulation.

Good luck been nice debating with you.

Most active thread I've seen in 8chan/8kun in years

>>721

Well this is one of the last reasons to still come here, if I went anywhere else that has normalfags to try and have this discussion it would be censored and I would be banned and if I went to anywhere in the dark web there would be no normalfags so I'd just be preaching to the choir.

Unfortunately this place is so dead now that I think I scared off the only normalfag left to have this discussion with, but it was fun while it lasted.

>>723

>13 and 14 being that high

I don't know dude, maybe I'm in the minority but I can't get it up when they look like babies.

>>732

How very fucking decent of you. Such moral fiber. We're all impressed.

Fucking faggot.

>>724

I'm still here dude i just didnt see this thread going anywhere hence my retreat. I'm still lurking and posting :)

Btw that pic of that young girl that got deleted was hot but i still wouldn't fuck as she would just be a silly young kid in her head. And that wasn't pedophilia that was hebe which isn't the subject here. Your graph shows most men don't find prepubescents (pedophilia) attractive.

>>746

What moral fiber? It's my preference that I thought wasn't a minority, why are you getting worked up about it?

I am honestly very thankful that my 12-yo g/f is not pregnant yet.

>>713

Fuck off you ugly midget cunt.

>>777

how unpleasant.

do you have online anger issues? if so, what's causing this?

>>765

Well my point in posting that graph wasn't to prove all men are pedos, just to prove that the age of consent was implemented in such a way to illegalize fucking girls men find most attractive. Think you could repost whatever was deleted because I missed it? We both know you saved it, don't even try and lie.

>>782

>the age of consent was implemented in such a way to illegalize fucking girls men find most attractive.

i do think 18 is too high, here it's 16. i believe aoc is to protect kids from predatory adults.

>repost whatever was deleted because I missed it? We both know you saved it, don't even try and lie.

lol no i didn't save it haha. she was hot, prolly aged about 14, but she'll be hotter in a couple of years when she's fully developed (she was quite flat chested and had a small ass, still some growing to do).

but yeh i agree with graph, some teens are hot no point denying it.

>>788

That reasoning just doesn't make sense though considering that rape being illegal doesn't stop predatory adults from preying on women and raping them it just punishes them after the fact, illegalizing sex with women entirely to prevent rape wouldn't deter the predators it would only punish the men that are actually law abiding and don't want to prey on women.

>>353

>Criticizing degeneracy

>Supports random men sexually exploiting kids on camera

Go hang yourself.

>>835

Been over that strawman in this thread already.

Pedophilia is wrong.

>>295

I love the popping and stretching little kids make when you fuck them the first time

Id rather have to look at 3 or 4 nudist poster threads than have to know these fucktards lurk here constantly trying to bring this discussion up over and over again.

Goodbye 8bantb!

>>1070

>being this triggered

Meet the barrel of a shotgun, snowflake.

>>651

>Do you think it's a conspiracy? Do you think it was done for the lulz?

Yes.

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