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Assuming you somehow ended up in Gensokyo, what, what would be the faith you pick up?
<Shinto
>Hakurei Shrine/Reimu
>Moriya Shrine/ Suwako (Fertility Goddes) / Kanako (War/Technology Goddess) / Sanae (Miracle Goddess)
>Aki Sisters (Harvest Goddess/ Autumn Goddess)
>Hina? (Bad Luck Goddess)
<Christianity
>Potentially Yumemi? (only due to danmaku form, likely extradimensional)
>Sariel (Archangel)
<Buddhism
>Myouren Temple / Bishamonten (Under Byakuren Hijiri and Shou Toramaru)
>Tendai Buddhism (Okina Matara)
<Taoism
>Huang-Lao (Seiga Kaku, Toyosatimimi no Miku, Futo, Tojiko)
>Qigong (Meiling)
<Poverty
>Yoon & Shi'on Yorigami
<Amonjaku
>Sagume Kishin
<Atheism
>Sakuya
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▶ No.59321
Which one has fewer restrictions? Can i just laze around, drink, and play tabletop games with Suika? Hell, maybe we can set up a shrine to jolly times in a comfy cabin. Hell, with some belief and Gensokyo's rules, you can have a God(dess) of fun times come to life.
If I had to choose from your list though, hanging around the Moriya shrine would be pretty alright.
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▶ No.59328
<Nature Worship
>All the fairies
>Any wild place
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▶ No.59331
>>59320 (OP)
I probably would pick Taoism on Qigong branch.
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▶ No.59332
>>59320 (OP)
>Qigong (Meiling)
I don't think this is a religious branch; I think she just practices Tai Chi Chuan as a martial art. At least I'd go practice the martial art under her while remaining under the Christian banner
As for Yumemi, it makes sense for her to base her artificial magic on Christian themes, as it would be the strongest religion/faith in the outside world, with spells being derived from teachings and verses from within the bible. As for actually being Christian, there's no real guarantee either way.
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▶ No.59549 >>59551 >>59558
>>59320 (OP)
What would be the closest thing to Varg/Odinism?
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▶ No.59551
>>59549
Closest thing to Odin in Gensokyo probably would be Yukari. Then again, it's really not clear what she would do to mortal followers - ignore them, eat them, abuse them?
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▶ No.59558 >>59576
>>59549
Shinto has many parallels with ancient European religion.
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▶ No.59576 >>59640
>>59558
Not the same thing though.
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▶ No.59640 >>59645
>>59576
If you go back far enough, it all boils down to ancestor worship, or at least claims that this or that supreme being is one of your ancestors.
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▶ No.59645 >>59646
>>59640
There's still other differences, in that European religions have distinct set of mythology and Gods, while in Shinto anything from a living being, a dead one or something inanimate like a stone can be that of the divine. Europeans also lack the Purity aspect of Shintoism, in the theology sense.
But yes it does all come from Ancestor worship, obviously since that is how they got their theology in the first place.
Also one more thing I should ask: who do I turn to to become a fedora?
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▶ No.59646 >>59647
>>59645
Sakuya. It's in the fucking OP post. Though Mokou probably also is desillusioned enough to no longer give a flying fuck about one god or another.
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▶ No.59647 >>59648
>>59646
> Mokou
what the fuck can gods offer her? eternall live?
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▶ No.59648
>>59647
Death. Or a way to induce it in Kaguya.
And, not much latter, a means to reverse it as swiftly as possible
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▶ No.59658 >>59660 >>59662 >>59663 >>59668 >>59672
How does atheism work in touhou? Sakuya has had tea parties with half of the gods at this point.
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▶ No.59660 >>59668
>>59658
In my head cannon it's just the same as skeptics in Morrowind, that they believe the gods are simply advanced magicians.
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▶ No.59662 >>59667
>>59658
How does atheism work in our world? We see the creation every day. If the common neckbeard can think there's nothing special in the world around them, Sakuya can think there's nothing special in Kanako. Some people just don't perceive holiness, and you can't exactly prove these things.
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▶ No.59663 >>59664
>>59658
I think it's less she doesn't believe any gods exist than she doesn't worship any gods.
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▶ No.59664 >>59667
>>59663
Atheism is used to refer to the belief in a lack of God, rather than a lack of belief in God. Though I recall the "atheist community" voiced their support for either Judaism or paganism at one point in recent time, so it's more of a belief in opposing Christianity.
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▶ No.59667 >>59673
>>59662
>>59664
Why are all christbabies so triggered by Atheism?
>you can't exactly prove (God).
Oh, this makes sense now.
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▶ No.59668
>>59658
>Sakuya has had tea parties with half of the gods at this point.
I'd argue this actually would lead towards Atheism because she would get to know the less-than-ideal sides of the gods - i.e., Kanako being stupidly greedy while she publicly tries to paint herself as an enlightened goddess of progress and technology.
Also what >>59660 said - gods aren't so divine anymore when you have a dozen or so of them running around.
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▶ No.59671 >>59674 >>59675
>>59320 (OP)
<<Atheism
>>Sakuya
You made this thread just to make that joke, didn't you
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▶ No.59672 >>59675
>>59658
Wasn't that meme from a joke/mistranslation ?
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▶ No.59673 >>59689
>>59667
>only Abrahamics believe in something greater than themselves
The atheist cries out as he tips at you
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▶ No.59674
>>59671
I was drunk and just added her to fill the list. Someone like Seija or perhaps even Yumemi probably would make more sense in hindsight.
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▶ No.59675
>>59671
>>59672
I had actually thought that.
What was the actual translation?
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▶ No.59689 >>59691 >>61230
>>59673
I'm sorry to tell you this bro, but your parents and priests lied to you. Truth is Within each and every person there is something great. Within each and every person there is something beautiful. You need to believe in yourself, not some inhuman being who only cares about you in word alone. How does that make you feel, christbaby?
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▶ No.59691 >>59692 >>60441
>>59689
You can be a good person, and you can be strong, too, but there are still things bigger than you. Learn to respect that. Not saying you have to get super religious, but at least realize man is not the measure of all.
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▶ No.59692 >>60441
>>59691
If you're saying there's something bigger than humanity then fine, just show what it is. I mean, you're being so matter of fact about it it would be pretty embarrassing if you didn't have a single fact to back that up.
>the measure of all.
No one talks like this, this is your sad attempt at feeling smarter then what you really are. You're a sad little boy trying to defend belief in something silly.
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▶ No.60439 >>60472
>Byakuren's Buddhism:
1. Always seeks new disciples
2. Disciples must be "rescued" from Kleshas (destructive states of mind - greed, jealousy, hate, etc.
3. Byakuren has an intensely motherly attitude and is so helplessly goodhearted that she did not even harm the humans who banished her to Makai
4. Always sees the best of people (to the extend that it's possible, i.e. she rejected Yamame's application to the temple because she's inherently dangerous.
5. Altruism in seeking to achieve harmony between all individuals
>Miko's Taoism
1. Doesn't actively search for followers, but will (IIRC) accept disciples willing to learn
2. Followers must be willing to save themselves
3. Miko has a pragmatic attitude and is willing to lie to her underlings (spreading Buddhism in Japan while she herself studied Taoism) because she knows not everyone can reach salvation/ immortality
4. Sees people for what they are, i.e., does not believe that man-eating monsters can be lead onto another path.
5. Altruism in seeking to guide others into reaching their full potential (i.e. immortality)
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▶ No.60441 >>60443
>>59691
Bigger or not that's still no real reason to follow one doctrine over another, most religion is just charlatans scaremongering you for shekels and teaching peasants basic morality.
>>59692
pic
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▶ No.60443 >>60448
>>60441
Reminds me of "I think so therefore I am". I think that if reality is false then I'll deal with that if I come to it. I do completing understand the idea that I could be hallucinating everything cause I have hallucinated things before, but I feel it's best for me to "go with the flow" until I'm proven wrong.
Therefore, I think it's best to work with this universe's logic and that evidence should be shown before I believe something. If the world is fake then show me something I cannot comprehend, or a "glitch" in the world.
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▶ No.60448 >>60450
>>60443
I agree that man can not escape from the prison of his own perception and must therefore abide by it, all I'm saying is that nothing's a fact because all is subject to your ego.
>If the world is fake then show me something I cannot comprehend, or a "glitch" in the world.
>I have hallucinated things before
???
If perception is weak enough to be molded by foreign substances there is no possible way to determine what is real and what is not, all in all it's pointless to think about because there are no answers to anything, just enjoy the moment fairy, ain't none of this shit matter anyway.
stop flood detecting me re
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▶ No.60450 >>60470
>>60448
>???
Ever see the animatrix? Do you remember the one where some kids were playing in a glitchy, fucked up part of the world? Yeah, show me something like that and I can believe the world might not be real. I'm not gonna believe the world isn't real simply because it's possible that it isn't.
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▶ No.60463 >>60464 >>60466
>Reimu
Lazy cunt who knows nothing about her own god.
>Moriya Shrine
More like Moriya Synagogue.
>Aki Sisters
Second worst season.
>Hina
Her hair looks stupid.
>Yumemi / Sariel
Not canon. Even in Gensokyo they're about as real as their god.
>Byakuren
Dirty liberal hippie.
>Okina
I'd rather not worship a god who kidnaps young girls and brainwashes them. Unless she's willing to teach me how to do that.
>Miko
Narcissistic tranny who doesn't even teach anything to "her" disciples and instead uses them as servants.
>Meiling
Doesn't look like she can teach you anything except martial arts.
>Joon and Shion
Why the fuck would I want to worship a hobo and a 3DPD girl in 2D loli form?
>Amanojaku
Is that even a religion?
Atheism it is, then.
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▶ No.60464 >>60465 >>60483
>>60463
A post so bad I can ractically taste the liter of semen you drank today.
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▶ No.60465
>>60464
Thanks fairy, I'm glad you liked it.
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▶ No.60466
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▶ No.60470 >>60483
>>60450
I think you missed my point
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▶ No.60472 >>60480
>>60439
>willing to lie because only (((chosen))) can reach salvation
Absolutely Talmudic
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▶ No.60480
>>60472
Can't help people reach enlightenment if they have no desire to reach enlightenment in the first place. Cattle will be cattle.
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▶ No.60483 >>60578
>>60464
If the post's so bad then why not refute it?
>>60470
I know hallucinations aren't real, so if you say the world isn't real then post evidence that it is a hallucination.
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▶ No.60578 >>60581
>>60483
>I know hallucinations aren't real
You don't, you can see them, and depending on the hallucination even interact with them, see: schizos
That's still not my point though, although I guess it relates which is why you are confused.
The whole point is that taking the leap of faith into materialism and "logic" is still just as much a leap of faith as religion itself, all knowledge is derived from the fact that nothing can be known, however paradoxical it may seem, so to claim one thing or the other then becomes silly and much more importantly irrelevant. For what consequence will real and unreal really make if you cant even tell which one is which anyway?
I completely agree that you should live as you see things, but it's not like this perception isn't tangible.
On another note, what upholds the laws that uphold our laws of physics? And, do you think the creatures that began to evolve eyes even think that there is something more than darkness or whatever other basic senses in their surroundings prior?
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▶ No.60581 >>60584 >>61230
>>60578
>taking the leap of faith into materialism and "logic" is still just as much a leap of faith as religion itsel
Not really, to believe in religions means you both believe in logic, AND extra things that cannot be proven.
>knowledge is derived from the fact that nothing can be known
That's the equivalent of saying "movement is derived from the fact that nothing can move" it's just shit someone makes up to sound smart and feel good about themself, like using out of place english like so many others on this board seems to enjoy.
>I completely agree that you should live as you see things, but it's not like this perception isn't tangible.
Yeah, it might be fake, but to actually constantly stop, and interject an astronomically unlikely scenario as being possibly real not only wastes time, energy and brain cells is silly. It's like honestly proposing the "last Thursday" theory That all of humanity and the world was created last thursday and that we were implanted memories of times previous. is true so therefore why care about what someone did last Wednesday? It just makes you look like a dumbass.
>what upholds the laws that uphold our laws of physics?
Again, you're just trying to seem deep. It's like saying "how could the big bang happen if there was no oxygen for the explosion?"
>do you think the creatures that began to evolve eyes even think that there is something more than darkness or whatever other basic senses in their surroundings prior?
I doubt they had the mental ability to think that.
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▶ No.60584 >>60586 >>61230
>>60581
You seem to think for whatever reason that I'm defending religious dogma
>That's the equivalent of saying...
Just because you don't understand what something means doesn't mean it's something someone made up to seem smarter, that's not an argument at all. I'm not even an English speaker mind you.
>but to actually constantly stop, and interject an astronomically unlikely scenario as being possibly real not only wastes time, energy and brain cells is silly.
I never mentioned this but anyway, you may not see it or feel it but someone else might you're not the end all of reality and not everything is measured by you lad, and whether they do or not is perfectly fine, people are free to waste their own braincells whatever way they want.
All in all it just sounds like you're intentionally not arguing what I'm trying to say and misinterpreting it to validate whatever silly beliefs you hold in which case I'll just let you have the final word and be smarter.
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▶ No.60586 >>60588
>>60584
>You seem to think for whatever reason that I'm defending religious dogma
You do come off as defending the religion of solipsism (the religion, not the philosophy). Did the possibility that that's what you'd come across as cross your mind?
>Just because you don't understand what something means
The statement only makes sense if you're a staunch believer in the idea of solipsism and I don't put faith in the idea of solipsism. All I'm saying is that this whole world could be fake (as in, I'm agreeing with you) but it makes no sense to me personally to keep such an idea in mind when I think about other things due to how unlikely it is. This is about the third time I've said this to you man.
>I never mentioned this
I was about to respond to this when I realized I actually have no clue what you're saying here. The line you're responding to is me saying that you bringing up solipsism is a waste of time, yet you act like I put words in your mouth. This doesn't make any sense.
>you're not the end all of reality and not everything is measured by you
Lol, have you even read what you've posted? You've been acting like solipsism has been proven.
>lad
Oh shit man, you've really put me in my place! You totally don't come across as thinking you're more correct in your opinion, thus, becoming a massive hypocrite in only half of a sentence.
>intentionally not arguing
For the last time, I agree with you that the world could be fake. But I don't put my faith in it due to lack of evidence.
>to validate whatever silly beliefs you hold in
So you're saying solipsism is silly? Because, again, I believe solipsism could be true, like I said before.
>I'll just let you have the final word and be smarter.
Pic totally unrelatedYou're into solipsism, me, not as much, and if you can't handle me shitting on dumb things you say then fine, I'll just banter with someone else, and you can feel enlightened with someone else, it's cool.
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▶ No.60588
>>60586
>could be
Meant to do italics but I got it mixed up.
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▶ No.60592
i choose esoteric hitlerism
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▶ No.60658 >>60659
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▶ No.60659 >>60662
>>60658
>Oh jesus.
Is that in response to that image or this whole thread?
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▶ No.60662
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▶ No.60843
Go with Miko, obviously. Being a human without spellcards, I don't want to be dependent on Reimu to survive. Also by learning Tao from Miko, I can reject my Ego and become the best version of myself possible.
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▶ No.60845 >>60916
>Also by learning Tao from Miko, I can reject my Ego and become the best version of myself possible.
I'm not sure whether the Taoist crew really is the best bunch of people for that. The girl to actually teach you Taoism would likely be Seiga (i.e., a borderline sociopath so crazy that even her allies don't want to be associated with her), and Miko herself has been proven to be rather selfish when she promoted Buddhishm in Japan but went for Taoism herself, which she in turn chiefly did to attain immortality.
At that point, you might as well ask Kanako to teach you how not to be selfish.
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▶ No.60916
>>60845
An enquirer then asked Yang Zhu, saying, "If by sacrificing a single hair you could help the world, would you do it?" "The world," replied Yang Zhu, "could most certainly not be helped by a single hair." "But if it could," urged the enquirer, "would you do it?" To this, Yang Zhu returned no answer, and the enquirer took his leave.
Yang Zhu wasn't into speculation or virtue signaling. Wu wei can look like selfishness, but social considerations like that aren't the bottom line. Still, Seiga is a weirdo for liking dead girls.
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▶ No.60983 >>60984 >>61230
What if touhou is my religion?
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▶ No.60984
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▶ No.61230 >>61231
>>59689
tbh I've met many people where I could tell, really tell, deep down, there was nothing great or beautiful in them in the very slightest. The sort of people whose only purpose in life is to serve as a bad example. They're pretty common.
>>60581
>Not really, to believe in religions means you both believe in logic, AND extra things that cannot be proven.
On the contrary, they have to reject logic and insert extra things that cannot be proven to hold up their stance in place of it. That's why it's such a clusterfuck. If they really gave a damn about logic, we wouldn't be having these problems. They say they care, but they don't.
>>60584
>Just because you don't understand what something means doesn't mean it's something someone made up to seem smarter
It is if they provide no substance for that something, or have to contradict reality to establish it. You need a way to actually determine things are the way they are; you can't just assert anything baselessly and then turn around and say "LOL U DONT KNO". It's childish, perverse, and wholly counterproductive.
>you're not the end all of reality and not everything is measured by you
Ironically, by your own beliefs, that IS the case. Because if all you have are your own perceptions and you can just disregard reason and evidence for woo-woo thinking, then everything one perceives is their only real measurement, which means he would be justified in thinking his own perception is the end-all, be-all. But if you care about other people's perceptions, but aren't willing to question them and destroy them when they're mistaken, then being able to perceive at all is pointless; You have no way of resolving contradictory assertions. Quite the paradox you dug yourself into. Thankfully, you've been wrong about everything so far, so the rest of us are spared.
>you're intentionally not arguing what I'm trying to say and misinterpreting it to validate whatever silly beliefs you hold
Pretty hypocritical, considering that's exactly what you do to disregard what other people are saying. Then you have the nerve to imply you're smarter for being retarded. You're not doing as well as you think you are.
>>60983
Then ZUN is your god. Offer up beer in tribute.
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▶ No.61231 >>61251
>>61230
>tbh I've met many people where I could tell, really tell, deep down, there was nothing great or beautiful in them
I understand that, but it's like how kids don't really have much of a personality or viewpoint on much, they develop it over time. There is potential for better in everyone.
>On the contrary, they have to reject logic and insert extra things that cannot be proven to hold up their stance in place of it.
Well that's what I meant, I guess it came out wrong. They believe in the logical world and in a thing that cannot be real.
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▶ No.61251 >>61252 >>61274
>>61231
>There is potential for better in everyone
What about niggers?
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▶ No.61252
>>61251
I'd assume it's in lesser rates, although still present.
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▶ No.61274 >>61275
>>61251
I don't have a problem with black people.
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▶ No.61275 >>61276
>>61274
Try going to Africa or any majority nigger area and see how long you feel that way
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▶ No.61276 >>61277 >>61280 >>65601
>>61275
Go to a shit hole in Poland (or a lot of places in east Europe) and get back to me.
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▶ No.61277 >>61278
>>61276
Still better than niggers.
t. Slav
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▶ No.61278
>>61277
Wait a minute, have you even BEEN to Africa?
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▶ No.61280 >>61282
>>61276
I must have missed all those charity adverts for sending money to eastern Europe on the basis that we should feel bad for them and that totally aren't a front for breeding an army
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▶ No.61282 >>61283 >>61285
>>61280
East Europe is bad but they do have drinking water so that's kinda like saying we shouldn't help the homeles- HEY WAIT A MINUTE! WE SHOULDN'T BE POLITICAL POSTING! ONLY CUTE 2HUS ON THE CUTE 2HUS BOARD!
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▶ No.61283
>>61282
2hus > homo sapien life
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▶ No.61285 >>61288 >>61289 >>65601
>>61282
Did you forget?
>Who is your favorite touhou and why do you hate the kikes?
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▶ No.61288 >>61290 >>61295 >>61304
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▶ No.61289
>>61285
Ehh, that meme's always felt forced to me tbh. Just some /pol/fags looking for attention.
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▶ No.61290
>>61288
Lol, I guess Ausfag got annoyed with the funposting.
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▶ No.61295
>>61288
The only way it could get funnier, if you would get >61488 instead.
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▶ No.61304
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▶ No.64804 >>65599
...why we do not actively seek for disciples, but simply wait until they come to us? Because there is a difference, an utmost important difference between salvation and enlightenment. The former can be given by others, but the latter can only be achieved by walking the road yourself. Sure, you may seek the advice of those who have already walked the road for some time, yet giving in and asking them to carry you means admitting your own failure.
"Those who actively recruit new disciples - the Buddhist lot, for instance - do so with the implication that these people NEED to be saved. That they are too dumb, too incompetent as if that they could find the beginning of the path themselves. Wanting to help others is an admirable trait, of course, but if people are given the task of climbing a mountain and you respond by carving a nice, comfortable set of stairs into its flank, you fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of the mountain the first place.''
In biology, evolution only occurs when an organism is exposed to one form of hardship or another. It is similar with the mind - the path you need to tread in order to reach enlightenment certainly may be stony, but the callous that forms on your feet as the sharp rocks underneath bore into them only makes you stronger. Taking the aforementioned flight of stairs, on the other hand, not only weakens your feet, but also makes you utterly dependable on the one who built them. As soon as that person no longer is there, you are lost.
In short, the less people think they need to help you, the more confident they are in your abilities. If a disciple comes to us and asks us for the best routes to climb the mountain, we shall be happy to give him the best advise, but the climb itself is something he and he alone can and must perform.
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▶ No.65550
Why won't you join the Myouren Temple? Byakuren always takes reaaally good care of her followers. And given that the temple's disciples so far are all-female, she will even let you sleep in her room so that you are not at risk of accidentally leading the other girls into temptation.
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▶ No.65599 >>65604
>>64804
Pssht..... survival of the fittest indeed...... nothing personell, fairy......
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▶ No.65601
>>61276
wait i am in shithole in poland and this is comfy
you just need to know what football clubs are worshiped there and know few thugs
>>61285
>>>/pol/11624916
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▶ No.65604
>>65599
Not everyone is made out to be a crown prince. Some are just Buddhist sheeple, and it would be downright cruel to set them unto a path they could never hope to master.
Others, on the other hand, have the strength and willpower to walk the path of Taoism. Unlike those who seek permanent, metaphysical brb gensokyo from this cruel, cruel world, the Taoists are not worn down by its many hardships. On the contrary, they learn to enjoy them.
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▶ No.65893 >>65894
Buddhism is the most hardcore religion in Gensoukyou.
Byakuren rides a motorcycle and wears black leather. Shou is the disciple of an actual war god. Ichirin is the hardest-hitting character in the air fighters (ora ora). Kyouko is the main vocalist of a punk band.
Suika is also a former practitioner, and a pretty formidable one at that.
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▶ No.65894
>>65893
>Former
So she quit. If you're trying to appeal to me with Sooks, then the fact that she quit would make Buddhism less appealing.
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▶ No.65897
>Shou is the disciple of an actual war god.
Except Shou was completely declawed by Byakuren to the point that even her spear is more of a decorative object than her weapon.
And let's not forget the fact that Shou was so busy being a good, peaceful Buddhist preacher that she left Byakuren to rot in Makai for 1000 years.
>Suika is also former practitioner
<Oni
<Buddhism, which bans alcohol for its followers
<Oni, and Suika of all people in particular
Suika does not follow the tenets of Buddha, but only those of the bottle.
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▶ No.66263 >>66273
>>59320 (OP)
I already follow the one true godess. Which is easy.
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▶ No.66273 >>66286
>>66263
I wonder whether or not Okuu still has Yagateratsu's power after the incident in the Old Hell was resolved.
Maybe she could ascend to an actual solar deity one day?
Next thing you know, Kanako will try to recruit her for the Moriya shrine
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▶ No.66286
>>66273
She's already more powerfull then any other puny "god", not to mention more trustworthy.
>Okuu still has Yagateratsu's power
Eating a god does not "go away", even if it's a dead shell. Besides, the games and the stories are her lore and saga now. In my belief she is a God.
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