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2hu is a huge meme and occult magic defines Gensokyo. It's clear that events on either side of the Great Hakurei Barrier have an effect on the other side.
Is ZUN practicing meme magic to influence world events? Or is he just unwittingly channeling the natural energies and egregores of the etherworld into cute girls we fall in love with?
inb4 lel Yukari visits ZUN we already know that
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▶ No.47941
I doubt Zun actively channeled the meme magic back when he started 2hu. Rather, the sheer autism to find Danmaku games enjoyable resulted in an ever-expanding community of turbospergs around the setting, whose inherent influence on meme magic.
But this does not necessarily any negative consequences: Gensokyo, canon-wise, is a dream or was changed by the dream of Maribel Hearn, who later became or projected an avatar in the form of Yukari. Touhou as a whole is the dream of ZUN, and while he only delivers the overarching context, the setting naturally attracts people on the spectrum who also may or may not enjoy potency in meme magic.
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▶ No.47942 >>47943
Meme magic is a meme. It's a fascinating idea, and ZUN as he got older and more wistful adapted his shinto magic shooty games into a whole setting based around it (PCB onward, and increasingly). So no, I don't think he has any interest in changing the world, only exploring the ideas of fantasy/dream <-> reality and imagining cute girls in ghostly pre-Meiji paradise.
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▶ No.47943
>>47942
Also ZUN is a weird guy who became old and wistful at like 25.
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▶ No.47950 >>47956
ZUN uses meme/moe magic to influence the consciousness and spirituality of our world. "Events" are below him.
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▶ No.47956 >>47957 >>47958
>>47950
That's right, he does want to change the world, into one that's more spiritual, mysterious, and not so focused on the present.
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▶ No.47957 >>47964
>>47956
Whoa there! Shouldn't you say "not so focused on an imaginary future"? Other than that you're on point.
"People of our time see these flowers as in a dream." - Nansen
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▶ No.47958 >>47960
>>47956
I've noticed, though, that the past couple Touhou games cite real-world events as shaping Gensokyo. Ten Desire came about because ppl started doubting the existence of Prince Shoutoku. The events of LoLK came from claims that the moon landing was fake. DDC may not say so, but it's pretty clear that that game's story was inspired by the (((Arab Spring))) and (((Occupy))) movements pitting the 'little ppl' against their perceived oppressor.
And, of course, the Great Hakurei Barrier was breached, which allowed the invasion of Gensokyo by ISIS moon rabbits and allowed 2hu games to be on the PS4.
The events of the outside world are becoming increasingly relevant to Gensokyo. The next fighting game seems to be about disbelieving facts and conflicting narratives. A reference to fake news?
Or is it just a curse that any creator, no matter their integrity, becomes more and more aware of the 'scene' over time and that sentiment reflects in their later works?
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▶ No.47960 >>47962
>>47958
One half of that is simply bullshit. Arab Spring my ass. Outside in my ass. Fake news my ass. Scene my ass. Have a nice ass. There's no "literary reference". ZUN is just becoming impatient with you.
"People of our time see these girls as in a dream." - ZUN
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▶ No.47962 >>47970
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>>47960
>There's no "literary reference"
except for all the works ZUN has referenced in the past. As tempting as it is to believe Yukari whispers directly in his ear, there are plenty of places you can tell he got his ideas from. Why wouldn't world events affect the plot of a game that supposedly is taking place alongside our timeline?
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▶ No.47964
>>47957
The present divorced from the past and nonhuman world, I mean. 2hu of course has a lot of reverence for enjoying ephemeral things in daily life.
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▶ No.47970
>>47962
I saw that video a while back, some of those are pretty dead on, but some of those are pretty big stretches.
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▶ No.54976
Bump because interesting topic
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▶ No.54979 >>54981
The way I see it, after the doujin scene took off following the three Gundams, 2d culture has been kind of self-sufficient. Economically, pretty much so, but I'm talking about ideas and aesthetics. Mecha and magical girl didn't originate somewhere else. The character archetypes and their presentation don't have an equivalent in dorama. It's just drifted off to a land of fantasy where even mainstream popularity doesn't bind it to "the rest of society". Gensoukyou is a great representation of that. It's a land where every meme already forgotten on this side drifts to. Its only relation to our world (if we forget the recent events) is "rejection". As our memesphere rejects Gensoukyou, it rejects our perception and chooses isolation. That makes Touhou an excellent otaku work.
But Touhou isn't KanColle or Vocaloid, other worlds with a distinct disconnection and good moe. In Touhou, there's a tie-in back to our world, and that is history and civilization. So there's our post-modern moe-centric 2d culture, there's the high culture of the past, and there's the mainstream. ZUN joins otaku culture and past civilization together, and contrasts his creation with the "outside world". So why would Buddha go with a culture that drools over imaginary girls, rather than with normal thought? By the way, this is a kind of appeal to authority from ZUN. There's clearly a point he's making.
It's because both 2d culture and the great writers of old are preoccupied an ideal. An ideal consciousness, an ideal man, an ideal pretty girl, there's not really that much difference. Another thing these cultures share is a drive towards order. Ordering girls by their moe traits, classifying mechs, and making sense of reality in ways that are sometimes fitting, and sometimes, not so much, are pursuits driven by the same base instinct. That's how youkai moe is one of the best 2d innovations in a long time, if not the best. It ties together the need for an ideal with the need to explain unseen dangers and with the will to figure out and order information. Youkai moe grips one's heart and turns it towards the world of ideas, as opposed to the here and now of uncertain and undecided materialism.
So when it comes to memes and meme magic, ZUN is obviously "against" the current 1st world societies. But he isn't trying to push his memes to change the course of "events". His argument is way more introverted. That the Gensoukyou of today is more in contact with our world doesn't change his greatest meme, even if it kind of underlines it, with Sumireko toughing it out outside the border. You'd be right to argue he's pushing some ideas, but more than that, he's communicating a mindset.
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▶ No.54981
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▶ No.54982 >>54990 >>55416
No, take ur shitty reddit-tier cult shit and leave.
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▶ No.54990
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▶ No.55416 >>55419
>>54982
I thought it was interesting...
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▶ No.55419 >>55420
>>55416
Maybe https://reddit.com is more your speed, fairy.
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▶ No.55420
>>55419
If this is such a sage-worthy thread, why do you keep coming back to it?
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