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>first avongers

>then half life womyn

>now final fagtasy is doing the fucking time travel bullshit

STOP USING TIME TRAVEL AS A PLOT POINT YOU LAZY BASTARD WRITERS LEARN TO WRITE A REAL STORY FOR ONCE AAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK ALL OF YOU

>>16901712

>trusting square enix

I never played the original anyway. So I can't get mad.

and its still part 1 of ???

This is a good thing because this means it can't function as a replacement for the original game.

>Sephiroth fight at the end of Midgar

>Biggs survives

>Possibly Jessie and Wedge too

This is Final Fantasy VII Reboot, not Remake.

>>16901712

>time travel and making alternate realities

I can't see the subs half the time due to the filmora9 nor hear the incredibly quiet audio at max volume with headphones. I see magic shit happening, Zack flashbacks, Biggs surviving, Sephiroth fucking shit up at the end of Midgar, a Sephiroth boss fight at the end of Midgar, and the FF7 lamenting how Sephiroth is too powerful to stop after the fight. Where are you getting this time travel/alt reality shit? You're not just taking the theories in the video description as true, are you?

>>16901720

>>now final fagtasy is doing the fucking time travel bullshit

Nigger, FF1 was a time travel paradox. The main villain is the first boss of the game who got flung into the distant past, fused with Chaos, and sent the four fiends to fuck up the world.

>>16901733

1 of 4. Initially it was supposed to 1 of 3, one game per disc. Then for a while not even Nomura knew how many parts. Now it's part 1 of 4.

>>16901743

They're just returning to their roots. Time travel paradoxes are what saved the company when the first Final Fantasy came out. :^)

>>16901742

the FF7 crew*

Look at the recent years in FF and tell me if you notice a pattern.

>FFXV was shit. Nomura was lead developer.

>Kingdom Hearts 3 was ehhhhh. Nomura was lead developer.

>FFXIV Shadowbringers was a hit. Nomura wasn't on the team.

>FF7 Remake looks like shit. NOMURA.

Did they accidentally think they were doing final fantasy 8 when they were working on the Final Fantasy 7 remake plot because that's where I know time fuckery was part of the plot for.

I thought there was no sound but the volume of the recording is really really low. Even when I turn up my volume bar to the highest, you really can't hear anything until it cuts to the troll face and music the editor put in around the 6:41 mark. Looks to be about as disappointing as the RE3 remake and have the same amount of defenders for the inferior quality they did because people "tried hard" on it or to be contrarian.

There's so many people defending RE3 remake for it's obvious faults that it reminds of the defenders of The Last Jedi. I don't know how but I actually see people saying RE3 remake is a better remake than RE2 somehow even though it cuts a lot of content from the original, has less puzzle to almost no puzzles if you want to argue what a puzzle is, more action based and made nemesis dumb in the few encounters you have with it since most of it is scripted or terribly done boss battles. Even if you hate RE2 remake, RE3 is such a downgrade in a lot of ways that you can't objectively argue which is technically the better remake. You can like whatever you want but you can't tell me that a remake from the ground up for RE2 remake is worse than a remake that is reusing assets from the previous remake with RE3 remake with dumber AI.

>>16901712

Well at least they aren't fucking with Final Fantasy 9 or destroying Ivalace.

>>16901761

Is he really trying to say Valkyrie Profile is part of Final Fantasy? Because originally it wasn't even by the same company, and even after the merger, still wasn't by the same developers.

>>16901760

So it's a Toriyama/Miyamoto kind of deal. Nomura is probably too fucking senile to do things right. Although I don't discard suits meddling.

>>16901770

Weird feeling being an FF8 sperg right now.

>>16901750

Play the original games rather than this shitty action reboot. Same with FF7.

>>16901779

They censored Rinoa's modest cleavage in the recent FF8 remaster. They also censored Siren's feather pubes.

>>16901774

Nomura thinks trying to make convoluted stories and making your characters look like JPOP idols will make the game a 10/10.

>>16901812

From what I've seen, it was all written by the guy who did the FFX drama where tidus dies with the blitball bomb.

>>16901743

What is that thing

I wanna fuck it

>>16901833

So they turned FF7 into a comedy?

>>16901835

Well no, but yes, the game is most likely a very expensive joke now.

Fuck right off with this bullshit. Anybody who still forgives this bullshit is a fucking moron. Although I do see the potential to mine salt with this.

>>16901770

Brave Exvius War of the Visions is a gacha disgrace. I'm only playing it because nostalgia. Square Enix has the money to make pretty assets but can't make a good game with it. Gacha by design discourages making good content and completed games in order to milk whales forever.

>>16901750

>tite kucko in charge of character design and most of the art

No thanks, bro.

>>16901846

What's the deal with the after years? I always saw it and the inbetweener story on the menu for PSP FF4, but what's the point since FF4 is a complete story?

>>16901846

He's not high fuctioning at all, they pretty much ruined FF7.

>>16901852

There is no point, unless you want to replay FFIV with a nihilistic spin on it, because of the ending. There's probably some irony in there.

>>16901761

I gave up my own digging after the first comment claiming changing major plot points and character development doesn't mean the story isn't the same. They all deserve to fall for the worst marketing gimmick Square can make so that these fools might blow away as much money as possible in this economy.

>>16901888

>the ghost things are Whispers of Fate that try to keep the characters in line with the original game

>after the highway chase Cloud and co. fight the Whispers of Fate and beat them, making it so they're no longer bound by the original FFVII's storyline. During the battle the party is shown the clip of an old Nanaki with his cubs running towards a destroyed Midgar, Red XIII guesses it's a vision of the future that awaits them if they fail

Jesus, Nomura. Couldn't you have just settled for making a side game if you hated making this remake so much?

I FOUND THE SECTOR PLATE SCENE

>>16901950

>The remake is Sephiroth fucking with the timeline and trying to get a better outcome for himself.

So they made him into Ultimecia? They should have just remade FF8 if that's what they wanted.

>>16901953

Apparently the reason from YouTube comments is "But Square wanted Ultimecia to be in FFVII, so there's no problem with Sephiroth being like Ultimecia."

I have no idea if that's true or not. But if the original would've been like the reboot because of it, I'm glad it didn't happen either way.

This sounds terrible. It's Square wanting to have its cake and eat it. They want to hook older gamers with FF7 characters and pretending that they're making the FF7 remake that people have cried for for years. But they want to get new gamers to buy in by making it an action game and including current-year memes outside of the constraints of the older story. Then they have the entire Collection of FF7 garbage to smush in, which is of course easier if they pretend they're making a remake and then actually make an entirely new game. They're hoping the older gamers will buy the first episode, realize that they're not getting a remake, and yet continue buying new episodes because they're already involved in the new plot and it, after all, is more FF7. They're hoping new gamers will buy it because they're being told it's good to buy and makes the right noises.

At this point nothing would surprise me. Maybe they'll try to weld The Spirits Within into the FF7 canon as a way to resell it and rehabilitate some of the cash they dropped into that bomb. For some reason that's the first Final Fantasy thing that jumped into my mind when people started talking about smoke monsters. Or maybe they're such terrible hacks that they're actually stealing plot points from Nier. Except in this case the vague bullshit monsters are a one-off speedbump boss battle and represent the original plot. Christ. It's a remake where the characters kill the original game's story and then have to have an entirely new one. That's middle school fanfiction tier writing.

>>16901967

>Square seem obsessed with Sephiroth.

Mainly Nomura probably. He's just gay and emo enough to be Nomura's type.

>tfw they didn't remake FF8 instead, so we could have Edea and Ultimecia's glorious milkers in HD

I know current year Square would just censor them, but a guy can dream.

>>16901975

I mean they literally censored the "HD" re release of 8 so.

>>16901967

Square's obsessed with him because jerkoff FF7 fans are obsessed with him. He ticks pretty much all the pretty-boy weeb villain worshipper checkboxes. He shows up on-screen more often in most of the spinoff games he appears in than he did in the original, but he's also the only thing the original has to a consistent villain that fans at large seem to like. Jenova was just a blob monster, and although a couple of the guys at Shinra had memorable moments none of them were given enough personality or screen time to really count. Sephiroth aside, FF7 is really devoid of good villains–Hojo, of all people, got to be the villain of a spinoff, and his most memorable moment was trying to get Aeris and Red XIII to fuck by putting them in a glass tube together. Sephiroth keeps getting new powers because his powers in FF7 (outside of "has big sword") were too vague to translate well into games like KH or Dissidia. What did he even do in FF7 outside of his one boss fight? He stabbed one girl. He cut off a blob monster's head. He made a bunch of clones go crazy. Sure, he did the usual FF final boss stuff in his boss fight, but that's because he was at that point a FF final boss and was expected to do that kind of stuff, not because it was stuff he could've done all along–and even if a final boss can destroy the solar system in combat, we know that never translates to the non-comabt reality. Sure, he summoned Meteor, but he needed the black materia to do that.

>>16901984

>What did he even do in FF7 outside of his one boss fight?

Nothing. He was frozen in a crystal for most of the game waiting for Cloud to bring him the black materia.

>>16901955

I haven't seen normalfags actually defend leakers before and state the obvious about not clicking on spoilers if you don't want to see them. It's silly to say, but I'm kind of proud of them.

Oh god! I had a sinister thought. We know how the FFXIII series ended and we know that Lightning is often known as a female Cloud because of similar looks. I think she even had Cloud's outfit as some DLC or something. Can't remember off the top of my head. What if this whole FFVII remake was just a way to canonize Lightning in FFVII as a female version of Cloud from another alternate reality. I wouldn't put it pass Nomura because he seems like that type of guy who do anything for his waifu. Final Fantasy VII remake was just another stepping stone for Nomura's Lightning fetish.

>>16902014

You noticing this shit as well. So I aint crazy. I could nope fucking cope with the double retardation of Cloud and Lighting in a mainline game. Fuck this series im out.

>>16902014

Other anons notice the same thing, yes.

These spoilers sound like the plot of Terminator: Genisys.

>>16902019

I will never understand what the fuck they were thinking with NT.

>>16902027

He really needs to be cornered off and used as a public side show away from the rest of the company. Let him be autistic on his own accord, not everyone elses.

>>16901764

You mistook real peoples for paid shills which defend their products religiously with some of the most ridiculous reasons ever

>>16902011

>it means after 100 fucking hours playing the shitty original turns out most of the cast fucking die due to a meteor hitting the planet.

It's a possibility, because The After Years already did that. And The After Years all but explicitly says the worlds with crystals of I, III, and V are now barren wastes and you just wasted hundreds of hours playing them if you did.

These homosexuals want to create an Extended Universe so they can escape their own shitty lives as corporate bugs. But their incompetence and insatiable self-importance is simultaneously fucking up their attempt at creating a paradise. This is nothing new. But I still hope to see "big" people fall.

>>16901754

>spoiler

1-15

1 sequel to 4

3 spinoffs of 7

1 sequel to 10

1 sequel to 12

2 sequels to 13

I'll skip the MMO expansion packs

4 Dissidias, 5 if you count Prologus

3 Tactics

1 Tactics tower defense

Brave Exvius

Type-0

FF Adventure (yeah it's the first Mana game but it's marked as a Final Fantasy spinoff on the japanese cover art)

Four Heroes of Light

3 World of FF

Explorers

2 Dimensions

3 Crystal Chronicles

2 Crystal Chonicles My Life As

1 Fables (the chocobo dungeon game one wii notwithstanding)

3 Chocobo's Dungeons (mystery dungeon games but it counts)

Mystic Quest

fucking Theatrhythm

Mobius FF

and this list goes on. Just here I have 53

not to mention the ports, remakes, and expanded special edition releases

>>16901965

>It's a remake where the characters kill the original game's story and then have to have an entirely new one. That's middle school fanfiction tier writing.

This is nothing new for Japanese devs since you get shit like nu-Atlus retconning their perfectly fine plots with their fanfiction in their remakes as well.

>>16902011

I thought the meaning of "failure" was that they'd just end up back in the original FFVII timeline, where Midgar was abandoned because it was fucked sideways by the lifestream and Weapons and Mako reactors being useless and whatever. You couldn't run Midgar without Mako reactors, is what I took away from that part of the ending, so people moved back to the country in some impossible bucolic utopia. The ecology message FFVII originally was pushing (remember "pollution bad planet good" was huge back then) pretty much required them to show that the planet was going to live on and be okay, and showing a decrepit abandoned Midgar was part of that. I didn't think it implied that the cast got killed by meteor, but then again that was twenty something years ago and I don't actually remember the ending of the game all that well.

>>16902051

No, you're right about the original ending. But this is nu-FF7 now, and I take the literal killing of the original timeline through the ghost BS to mean the "failed" timeline is a meta metaphor for Nomura's hatred of the original plot.

>>16902054

Wasn't there some other series reboot that did something like that recently? The characters essentially looked into the camera and told the viewer that the old plot was stupid and dead and they were stuck with the new one whether they liked it or not? All I remember is some serious hamfisting and no details. Maybe it wasn't recent at all. Or maybe I'm misremembering a sequel overriding its predecessor.

>>16902056

I always thought that was supposed to be Genesis before the devs had Crisis Core to tell them who Genesis actually was. It's always nice when a character that isn't ever hinted at in the original game is supposed to be some fundamental and important part of the plot of the "extended" game series.

>>16902059

I don't know, anon. Maybe it is an Atlus game like >>16902048 mentioned?

>>16902059

>Wasn't there some other series reboot that did something like that recently? The characters essentially looked into the camera and told the viewer that the old plot was stupid and dead and they were stuck with the new one whether they liked it or not? All I remember is some serious hamfisting and no details. Maybe it wasn't recent at all. Or maybe I'm misremembering a sequel overriding its predecessor.

The Thundercats Roar crossover on TTG?

>>16902064

Huh. I had completely forgotten about that. I had was thinking it had been done with a smarmy title drop or something, but maybe your thing was what I was thinking of and I just mixed up the details. It's not really important, it's just hell being forgetful.

>>16902048

I'm not defending modern Atlus, but do any of those make nearly as drastic of changes as Square has here? Just trying to figure out where on the "it's royally fucked" scale this sits.

>>16902014

Except Lightning is Toriyama's waifu, not Nomura's. Or do they both just pass her around between them/spitroast her?

>>16902072

Monolith Soft isn't Square, at least not anymore. But I would be worried if this manages to still do well enough on the whole to spawn a bunch of "follow the leader" motions from other companies, where they not only disregard the original audience as they have with mobile reboots, but release false advertising tier garbage like this.

>>16902085

It really is an abuse of the idea of a remake, be it this specific instance or if it catches on far harder. And of course there's people that will defend the idea that it shouldn't have to be 1:1, or that "language evolves" (in which case expect coonrunes to become official "words" in the dictionary). Sadly Square seems to be the testing ground for such ideas when it comes to JRPGs, by simple virtue of popularity. But I would still hope that most other developers would have enough respect for their prior works (the good ones anyhow) to find the idea of doing this sort of thing as a remake abhorrent.

Wonder how many of the staff on the remake even worked on the original, if any.

>>16902085

What I'm curious about is did they naturally want to do this, or was it just added to further pad out shit so people wouldn't feel as bad about the "one game for the price of four" release state? I'd kind of thought that from their statement in an interview about how the original didn't hold up anymore, they were meaning graphically or in some misguided idea, the gameplay, but apparently they even meant the writing? And apparently they'll be doing this again in another 10-20 years, because nuFFVII won't hold up by then either.

I didn't like the episodic nature of .hack myself (admittedly made less an issue with emulation or a modded system these days), but at least those were an original work, and not taking what was one game prior and breaking it up just to squeeze more money out. I know people aren't real fond of the later Persona games, but imagine if 3 and 4 were remade and broken into seasons. Or Tales of Phantasia being remade as separate time periods (in which case the present would need a FUCK TON of padding to warrant a full price release)

>>16901761

This just proves without a shadow of a doubt that FF6 and FF7 OG were flukes.

I knew from the get go this wasn’t the remake I had waited years for, allowed myself to get a little hype when I saw the team working on it, then subsequently lost all that good Will after the demo. The fact that the game is trying to be its own thing now while just loosely wearing the skin of FF7 makes this loss even less impactful.

>>16901750

I haven’t heard very good things about this one. Also, it’s already heavily discounted on Amazon.jp which is never a good sign considering if a game is even slightly good it’ll stay at the 6,000 yen price point over there for years.

>>16901843

Some drama around that artist?

I don't understand how can people take FF seriously? It looks like it was made for young girls. Like twilight of video games.

>>16902127

I haven’t been able to since they switched to realism. When it was stylized it worked, now it just looks like a bunch of bad cosplayers.

>>16902114

Mangaka for Bleach. I don't personally know that there's been any drama, other than that he really shouldn't be allowed to write (anons have said for years over a decade his interest seems to be more in fashion design) considering what a trainwreck Bleach turned into by the end. Here though, he's replacing Kousuke Fujishima for some reason, who had been a staple of Sakura Wars.

>>16902131

Ah, gotcha

> other than that he really shouldn't be allowed to write

I agree

>>16901888

This is so retarded, I hope they go bankrupt.

>>16902138

It really says something when after a while the most enjoyable parts of a work aren't even the work itself.

>>16902144

I have heard gossip say the day Square brings out the FF7 remake is the day Square is in serious enough financial trouble that only a "Hail Mary" move like bringing back the original FF7 could save Square. I hope for the same thing as you.

>>16902072

The thing about Monolith Soft/Xenoblade is that the games are canonically linked via autistic means, but it's not hamfisted in after the fact, it's just a core guy/team building a world of anime tiddies (except for when Treehouse removes the breasts because NEETs might make an attractive and busty waifu). The games have themes and connections if you look for them as a fan, but each one stands alone (at least in the 'blade series, the 'gears series tie directly into each other).

This is SE retconning shit to make it the flavour-of-the-month expanded universe and ruining their biggest and most anticipated game to do it. They ruined not only the story but the gameplay too, and they're doing such a bad job that the effectively retconned the original from ever being good because their new plot means the old game not only didn't happen, but if it did happen it was the failure timeline.

>>16902127

>FF7 starts with an armed rebel group assaulting a power plant guarded by a highly paid private millitary.

>You would later go on to ride cars, submarines and airplanes. You would shoot giant canons into big ass monsters and when that fails go out and fight it on your own.

How is that faggy ? If anything ff7 had a consistently more industrial theme than most ff games. The trouble is the parts where it throws that in the gutter.

Since time travel will be a thing now, they will naturally drop the better themes, but it was definitely not a bad game. This and they will make the one joke prostitute club scene and dial it up 100% into faggotsville with dancing and cinematics.

>>16901888

This straight up sounds like fanfiction.

>>16901956

>"But Square wanted Ultimecia to be in FFVII, so there's no problem with Sephiroth being like Ultimecia."

first I've heard of it. Certainly wasn't in any of the Ultimanias

>>16902153

I heard it too. I had a bad feeling when I heard that cringe song with the harmonica but I didn't expect it to be so absolutely retarded. They spend 5 years delivering 1/10 of the original game, THEY ONLY HAD TO FOLLOW THE PLOT! And they couldn't even do that. How much of the game you think could have been done right now had they not decided to add shit tier fanfiction? Are they going to do things like FF15 where they just change their minds about the story every couple of years?

>>16902160

Difference is the Zelda timeline was literally made up after the fact by Aonuma because fans kept asking for one, and then the very next game he ignored it completely and made whatever he felt like.

You might as well ignore those pages in the Hyrule Hystoria because they are only there to shut up autists who need everything over-explained.

>>16902161

First I've heard of it too. I'm certain it's shills making up lies on the spot.

>>16902162

>How much of the game you think could have been done right now had they not decided to add shit tier fanfiction?

I feel like all of the game could have been done right now.

>>16902162

>Are they going to do things like FF15 where they just change their minds about the story every couple of years?

I just had a thought:

People hate the remake/fan-fiction/what-if bullshit so much that part 4 of a remake for a 3 disc game is Cloud and Friends going back in time to put everything back the way it was in the original so SE can save face and restore the timeline.

>>16901888

Did they just straight up forget that this Sephiroth is Jenova or something? fucking retards at Square Enix never even played the original game. Sephiroth died at Nibelheim, the version you resurrect with the black materia becomes Jenova who is merely using Sephiroth's dead body as an avatar. There is no rivalry between Cloud and Sephiroth beyond Nibelhiem. Cloud killed Sephiroth because he tried to kill Tifa. Sephiroth's dealyo was trying to kill his mother Jenova- Jenova's revenge was turning the little shit into a puppet for her to bring forth the apocalypse (ie. Meteor). DID THEY SOMEHOW FORGET THIS SHIT?

Please excuse me if I fucked anything up. I haven't played this shit in decades but that's how I interpreted it.

ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS JUST REMAKE THE FUCKING GAME CJ!

>>16902175

I think most people are unaware of what the hell Jenova is at this point. In most depictions outside of the FF VII Jenova's rarely mentioned. Perhaps Sephirtoh being depicted stand alone so much it caused people to forget that Jenova ever hijacked Sephiroth let alone her influence in general.

>>16902181

And remember, they had been working on it since 2005 or 2006.

>>16902181

don't tell me you paid for the movie anon. Also vid related, you should have known better than to pay for it from the start. The saddest part is that he is sucking off the FFVIIRe demo. The XIII trilogy should have been a dead giveaway it was going to be crap.

>>16902127

Like every other franchise with good characters that make you give a shit about them. This is the line of reasoning that makes people say "who cares, it's just vidya lol"

>>16902175

Sephiroth fell into the lifestream in the Nibelheim reactor, and ended up at the north crater encased in crystal/materia.

Cloud and Sephiroth are linked because Cloud was injected with Jenova cells and reacted to them, meaning he could be controlled somewhat by Sephiroth, but not completely puppeted like the rest of the "reunion" clones. Zack did not react to Jenova or mako. This is in the notes in the Nibelheim mansion basement. The notes also mention Cloud likely wouldn't survive and that his mind was already beginning to break down. The (likely) reason he survived is because he idolised Zack so much and wanted to be him Cloud imagined himself to be as strong as Zack and ended up believing they were the same person, which is why his mind ended up broken and had to be rebuilt later on after he emerged from the lifestream.

The Sephiroth that Cloud and friends chase in the beginning of the game is a failed experiment/clone (the experiments Joro was working on, of which Nanaki was the 13th), specially the one of those clones marked with a "1" tattoo on his hand. The sick guy you meet in the slums (the "This guy are sick" NPC) is also a clone/experiment. He has the number 2 tattoo on him. The black-robed figures in the rebuilt Nibelheim are also tatooed with various numbers.

The materia monster that falls out of the vat at the Nibelheim reactor is the result of the same branch of experiments that birthed Sephiroth, but Sephiroth was actually created as an embryo and carried and birthed by Lucrecia, Vincent's waifu.

Sephiroth controls Cloud enough to get the Black Materia so he can cast Meteor and deal the planet a killing blow, so that the planet will release enough lifestream to heal itself, so Sephiroth can become the focal point of the lifestream and become the planet/gain its power or whatever.

Jenova is basically an infection that arrives via meteor, the antithesis of the Cetra that arrived and settled peacefully, of which Aeris is the last survivor (and even then her bloodline is heavily diluted).

<it uses FF12's fucking corridor level designs

are you fucking kidding me

>>16902190

Hojo, not Joro, don't know how I fucked that up.

>>16902184

I’ll never forget. I was one of the people who checked every couple months since Versus XIII’s initial trailer hoping that some news would come out to confirm the game wasn’t cancelled. Then I put off buying XV after the initial bad release to wait and see if updates would fix it and to get my expectations in check, THEN I made sure to buy it super cheap so I wouldn’t have expectations for the money I spent on it.

I’m a bit of a completionist so I’ll see even the most shitty games through, yet to this day XV is the only vidya I’ve gotten so close to the end and just realized the game wasn’t worth my time any more and I wasn’t enjoying a single thing about it and I didn’t care what happened in the story or the fate of any of the characters. Funny thing is, I think the devs eventually realized how miserable their game was to play as they give you a weapon that virtually lets you skip the combat and just farm exp in the last portion of it.

>>16902188

I didn’t, I also got the game used thankfully

>>16902175

>Sephiroth died at Nibelheim

He didn't die, he fell into the lifestream like Cloud does later in the game.

>>16902193

I think the DLCs were the most pathetic thing about this trainwreck of a game.

>>16902196

he did die, they fished out his body at North Crater. That version at the end of the game is Sephiroth's life force that had feed itself from Jenova in an attempt to become a god in order to prevent Jenova basically doing the same through killing the planet. The entire point of Areith's death is to establish the importance of the lifestream in it being the main thing driving all these dead characters. Tbh that's why its so memorable as a game because as the creators stated the game is about loss- both in terms of good guys and the bad guys.

Yet here we see in the remake them not giving a single FUCK about any of that. Save Areith DLC when?

>>16902162

>Are they going to do things like FF15 where they just change their minds about the story every couple of years?

Probably. They've already said FFVII will "need" to be remade again in due time.

>>16902214

no we're going based on what is actually out there. We know Jessie, Biggs and Wedge all survive disc one in the remake. I'm really pissed about this alone. I like my Jessies to remain thirsty and dead.

>>16902214

What thread are you in right now?

Are these questions you really want to ask?

>>16902217

>That might actually be okay

That is not the case as you are currently seeing SE fuck up a "remake" as we speak

>>16902217

Yeah, FF5 is going to be hard to fuck up unless they get rid of the jobs.

<They use One Winged Angel at the end of Disc one instead of saving it for the grand finale

Fucking monsters.

Also the Anime Tier faggotry in that post is confirmed. Sephiroth gets a one wing and fights with it. ITS FUCKING STUPID. and this is disc one. Way to ruin the entire pacing of the story dumb fucks.

>>16902214

Because the video that was presented and that post are both so unbelievably stupid, it's probably true.

>>16902223

But they are also doing Trials of Mana which (from the demo at least) seems pretty solid.

>>16902231

Because it's handled by a different team and doesn't have Nomura at the helm.

>>16901888

if you don't mind some button fapping this video confirms the attachment in the post.

>>16902076

>I'm not defending modern Atlus, but do any of those make nearly as drastic of changes as Square has here? Just trying to figure out where on the "it's royally fucked" scale this sits.

As bad as Atlus remakes are, this might be on another level going by what's revealed in this thread. Nomura can't keep his autism in check or he is still angry about Versus 13's development.

You know, the confusing time travel shit in KH didn't bother me because the story was already ridiculous and convoluted. In fact, it kind of added to the charm of the series. But this isn't KH and Nomura should have been slapped across the face the instant he brought up changing the plot. Or maybe it wasn't Nomura, but it feels like such a KH twist that I can't imagine anyone else being responsible.

>>16902190

Jenova is an alien lifeform whose purpose is to infect planets and eat their juicy life force. Shinra uses Jenova cells in experiments that allow people to absorb mako energy for superpowers or what, it isn't exactly defined, because its a parasitic lifeform of questionable sentience that interfaces with planet juice as part of its feeding cycle. It begins with individual organisms, like The Thing, where it eats and copies them with the eventual goal of eating and absorbing everything alive in order to break the cycle of death and rebirth to kill the planet itself. It almost nommed the Cetra but they beat it and sent it back to the North Crater, probably with the help of the white materia and their best buddy The Planet but this part of the backstory isn't really expanded on. As a result of Hojo's experiments because he was a fuckwit and mistook the imitation for an example of the original, Sephiroth is partially bonded with the Jenova organism at the cellular level but retains his personality and will and can control the Jenova biomass that's why he's the main antagonist and final boss and not Jenova.

Its okay if you don't really understand because Shinra didn't either and that's why they were basically poking at a world-eating extraterrestrial entity with a stick for decades. The FF7 story was of such a depth of detail and thought that the current remake is just a sad mockery. Corporations can't destroy the artisanship of game development in the pursuit of profit and then hope to create products that can compare.

How many people do you think are going to be disappointed?

>Timeline with the FF7 post-credits sequence and its ruined Midgar is the “failed” timeline.

WHY?! Does AVALANCHE suddenly have a change of heart about destroying Shinra in the reboot?

>>16902263

because goiym corporations are good and destroying the things you love is a good thing. Now just shut up and give us your shekels goiym.

>>16902260

Not the Last Jedi Levels of fanbase divide, but more than TFA. There will be tons of buyers remorse. Pretending that everything is good, and journo articles about how everyone is racist and sexist. But then (if corona doesn't bankrupt SE) when the sequel comes out there will be more against it and treating it like a joke. A magnified treatment of FFXIII and FXV if I could guess.

>>16902226

How frontloaded this game seemed despite it only being Midgar made me knew something was up. I fully expect the next parts to much more heavily diverge.

>>16902203

Aerith isn't gonna die in the "Remake", it's Tifa.

>>16902273

>I fully expect the next parts to much more heavily diverge.

That was the whole point. You think they want to remake the whole game? Now they have an excuse to cut corners, "oh that doesn't happen in this timeline"

>>16902190

>>16902248

This is a pretty good explanation. To be honest as a kid I didn't read much of the notes in Nibelheim and in general never understood the whole Zack part all that well.

Given all of this:

>1. Was Zack a clone too ?

>2. What was the sephiroth killing the shinra president and then the Midgar Zolom, was it another clone that was just running around and trying to recover jenova parts ?

>3. Was Cloud fully a clone or a fetus injected with jenova cells(I consider this different from a clone) ? I originally thought he was a guy who just had a ton of materia exposure early on. He had a mother and father and all that.

>4 Are the abilities of all other team-members explained with mako exposure or is there more to them ?

>5 Were the weapons the good guys ?

>>16902282

They aren't technically clones, they are people injected with Jenova cells.

>>16902282

The relationship between Zack and Cloud is pretty fucked but you'd never be able to tell just by looking at things on the surface. It comes to head when Cloud has a BSOD and then is kinda glossed over when he goes "Nah, fuck being a potato I'm gonna go kick Sephiroth's ass." and then he's fine. But to answer your questions:

1. No.

2. Yes.

3. He got picked up by Hojo for always following Zack around and was used as fodder for Hojo's experiments. In Disc 1 he's made out to be a SOLDIER which part of their training they given Jenova cells and exposed to Mako energy. Zack undergoes this procedure, but Cloud never does until he's kidnapped by Hojo and experimented on some time after Nibelheim is rebuilt, but before Zack goes to Midgar.

4. Who knows. Each character has their own source of power, but from each of their backgrounds it is plausible for them to have interacted with Mako power in one form or another, excepting Barret who is black, and Yuffie whose homeland is bereft of mako and materia and probably used naruto-tier ninja shit.

5. The weapons were agents of planet but were not intelligent and can be, and in-story are, compared to antibodies fighting off an infection. Obstensibly they're trying to destroy the reactors to stop the bleeding of the planet's life force, but since they'd also level the cities built on top you go to stop them. Sapphire weapon tries to kill Port Junon, Diamond weapon tries to kill Midgar. Ultima weapon congregates around reactors, such as the Mt. Corel one but doesn't really do much until it destroys a mountain to make a crater in disc 3 for no real reason than to make it look more menacing when it stands around the overworld charging an "attack." Ruby and Emerald are bonus bosses that have no story relation.

>>16902289

They're injected with Jenova cells but each cell is connected to one another and that's how they are controlled by Sephiroth, whose will has subsumed Jenova's own.

>>16902282

>1. Was Zack a clone too ?

No, he was a part of SOLDIER and was infused with mako but it had little effect on him, and Jenova's cells had zero effect on him.

>2. What was the sephiroth killing the shinra president and then the Midgar Zolom, was it another clone that was just running around and trying to recover jenova parts ?

Yes, it was a clone in the body of #1.

>3. Was Cloud fully a clone or a fetus injected with jenova cells(I consider this different from a clone) ? I originally thought he was a guy who just had a ton of materia exposure early on. He had a mother and father and all that.

Cloud was human, but had a reaction to Jenova cells when he was injected with them as a teenager/young adult while captured with Zack in the Nibelheim basement.

There may be some connection between humans that interbred with Cetra having a reaction to Jenova moreso than "pure" humans but its conjecture and never really explained in FFVII proper (maybe it is in supplemental material I haven't read).

>4 Are the abilities of all other team-members explained with mako exposure or is there more to them ?

Nothing is explained, but everyone's been through some crazy shit and seems to have some level of exposure. Tifa for example was already a martial arts prodigy before entering the Nibelheim reactor and almost being killed by Sephiroth.

>5 Were the weapons the good guys ?

Weapons were basically anti-bodies of the planets trying to prevent the infection (Jenova) from spreading.

>>16902296

Sorry I shouldn't have said clone in the body of #1. To clarify, it was an experiment infused with Jenova cells in the body of #1, and Sephiroth was able to control it to the point of forcing the body to morph into his own appearance with his own abilities, because Jenova does some crazy "The Thing" shit.

>>16902273

>I fully expect the next parts to much more heavily diverge.

Watch them borrow from Nier again and make "Cloud, look!" canon.

>>16902282

Because replayed it due to Corona-chan forcing stay at home orders, and the Rebuild demo hitting nostalgia buttons.

Yes, you need to read shit.

Yes, you need to revisit shit, or pay attention. A lot is already covered in the thread, reread >>16902190

Zack was SOLDIER 1st Class.

Everything Cloud wanted to be.

These are human soldiers that are injected with Mako to make super human soldiers.

You meet his parents, and his girlfriend.

Clones of Sephiroth are trying to recreate a blend of human and jenova cells.

Cloud was a run of the mill grunt. Who hid his face returning to his hometown because he was a failure. Just at the end, spearing Tifa was too much him, along with Zack.

Both Cloud and Zack were "recovered" by Hojo. And injected with Jenova here. Zack had no reaction, Cloud did. And proceeded to escape.

Cloud was able to mimic SOLDIERs because the Sephiroth experiments were very close to SOLDIER experiments.

Problem is that different folks were deliberately fucking with Cloud. Trying to make him lose faith in himself, so that he would be a vessel for Sephiroth's will.

Abilities of the other team members are basis by basic. Tifa and Yuffie were taught super martial arts. Cait Sith is a robot. Vincent was full on experimented. Cid was an old man with determination. Etc.

Weapons are if the planet decided to fight back. Good in the sense that they are an extension of the planet's will. Bad in the sense that the planet could decide that not only Shinra, but all of humanity was bad.

>>16902304

No. Talking about this FF7 Remake.

Music, and talk about the old combat system made me want to emulate the old ps1 version though in retrospect, probably should have done PC with a proper translation mod.

<they used the golden saucer theme too fucking early as well

Is there anything they haven't ruined. Talk about Premature ejaculation. You have 3 games to make. You've wasted all of the good shit too early.

https://youtu.be/7i89ycN3R-Y?t=834

13:54

Are you fucking kidding me.

>>16902325

It's not just the music, it's Sephiroth, Cait Sith and Zack, they're not supposed to appear until much later.

>>16902328

>>16902327

just pointed out that they ruin the entire Nibelheim scene at the start of the game. One of the most important scenes in the game and they ruined it.

>>16901712

This is all part of nomuras plan to link all final fantasy (all square enix games) games with time travel and alt universe gimmicks so he can make VS XIII as an alternate to 15 and make kingdom hearts 4 but with non Disney copyrighted characters.

>>16902335

>he makes a JRPG equivalent to Smash

Corona Take me already.

>>16902011

>it means after 100 fucking hours playing the shitty original turns out most of the cast fucking die due to a meteor hitting the planet.

Wasn't it left vague in the original game? I don't think it's necessarily the timeline in which they fail, but they assume it's the timeline in which they fail because they see Midgar is ancient ruins.

>>16902014

> wouldn't put it pass Nomura because he seems like that type of guy who do anything for his waifu. Final Fantasy VII remake was just another stepping stone for Nomura's Lightning fetish.

That's Toriyama, not Nomura, you nigger.

>>16902100

Was your second reply meant for someone else?

>>16902153

People have been saying that for over a decade now. And I'd say it turned out true considering last year they rushed out a big game like Kingdom Hearts 3 early, as they had to patch in Critical Mode not even a week or two later, just to make their financial quarter look better.

>>16902354

Kill yourself, nigger.

>>16902354

No, kys.

>>16902268

Did Square not learn from the last time they did this shit and crashed an MMO?

>>16902181

>the movie was weirdly good though.

I've generally heard this as well. Might watch it eventually.

>>16902337

But smash isn't comprised of just one company's characters.

I would honestly love a JRPG fighter that drew from multiple series and multiple companies, particularly if it had proper interactions between the characters, and not just in regard to combat. Sadly that would probably a licensing nightmare, let alone for it to come west as well.

>>16902349

That was cannibalizing a game in the works. That doesn't suddenly make Valkyrie Profile itself part of a Final Fantasy chronology, let alone a related game, any more than Exist Archive is part of the Valkyrie Profile series.

>>16902354

Fuck off, you ask this like every fucking week.

>>16902350

No, I was thinking it flowed off the "why would they do this" idea.

>>16902188

>2 hour video of some jewtuber

TL;DW?

>>16902202

You mean the DLCs themselves, or the fact that they were cancelled midway? It is fucking astounding to me that many people still think XV was a financial success. When was the last time a major developer cancelled DLC for the flagship title? Has it even happened before? That shit was bleeding them cash hard and nobody wanted more of it once they got a taste of the base game.

>>16902162

>How much of the game you think could have been done right now had they not decided to add shit tier fanfiction?

At least the first disc, if not half the game.

>>16902380

>No, I was thinking it flowed off the "why would they do this" idea.

Okay. It's weird you replied to the same anon twice in one post.

>>16902383

I mean the fact that they had to be made to begin with and some of them were better than the main story.

>>16902291

>Ruby and Emerald are bonus bosses that have no story relation.

Well arguably they're antibodies just the same and probably just served a different purpose than the others somewhat. Obviously it was Emerald's job to patrol the seas for threats to the planet. It may have been Ruby's job to search the desert, or Ruby may have been attracted to and planning on detroying the Gold Saucer since it was quite an obvious anomaly.

>>16902383

Actually, went and double checked. First part was meant for >>16902086 .

>>16902203

>they fished out his body at North Crater.

I don't recall this. When is this shown? I replayed the game just a few months ago.

>been considering playing the original FF7 because it's apparently fun

>all this remake shit and alternate timelines is already turning me off to even trying to begin understanding the FF universe

i'm glad I don't care

>>16902268

>100gb

Soon one will need separate 1TB drives per every new video game.

>>16902390

There is no FF universe, every game is a self-contained story with its own world.

Just play Valkyrie Profile 1 and 2 instead if you want a JRPG, they're much better games.

>>16902220

>We know Jessie, Biggs and Wedge all survive disc one in the remake.

No, we only know Biggs survives.

>>16902214

Because the post aligns very closely with the video and nobody has offered an alternative explanation that properly makes sense of all the retarded shit that happened in the video.

>>16902391

I don't consider those nearly as major as Squeenix and FFXV.

>>16902391

What about Mass Affect Andro?

>>16902349

I coulda swear Nomura was responsible for at least some of this fuckery.

>>16902349

>No video has shown these supposed watchers of fate yet.

Those are the shadowy ghost wraith things that are clearly shown all over the fucking place when sector 7 falls. They were shown and decribed as the watchers of fate in promotional material months ago. Promotional material that made them out to be some sort of optional boss, not key to the fucking story.

>>16902389

>I don't recall this. When is this shown? I replayed the game just a few months ago.

Its never shown how Sephiroth ends up in North Crater but its suggested that he was able to exit the lifestream and regenerate his body. My assumption is though he had help, likely from Jenova to fish himself out of the lifestream. Sephiroth wasn't an ancient so its assumed he would've been eaten by the lifestream, Jenova is the only thing besides a cetra that can resist it consuming ones consciousness, Sephiroth isn't strong enough to have done that. The Reunion theory applies here that the pull of Jenova was enough to pull Sepiroth out of the lifestream thus fishing him out. To me it makes more sense. No one has a proper explanation as to how the fuck he ended up in North Crater but this to me makes the most sense. Sephiroth wasn't strong enough to do this sort of shit, Jenova is. Sephiroth only becomes strong enough once he's merged with the Black Materia then Jenova loses control over him. I'm sure it was Jenova that pulled his body out of the lifestream after escaping Hojo's lab because the events of this combined with the barrier at North Crater line up it would make sense that this amount of time would be required to regenerate Part of his body. Reminder that Jenova needs the Sephiroth clones, Sephiroth doesn't need them they are pointless to him, The sephiroth clones help Jenova escape and begin Reunion.

>>16902398

>No, we only know Biggs survives.

A scene I saw heavily implies Jessie survives because the spirits are trying to ensure she doesn't die.

>>16901888

>That actually kinda reminds me of the new threat mod own story additions.

>>16902349

>Nomura helped with the combat

Then he can still be blamed for the game playing like shit

>>16902404

Now now, KH3 had its fun moments like a fucking toy telling an OC edgelord to fuck and that nobody ever loved him

>>16902349

Why did you reply to me without saying anything at the end of your post?

>>16902408

>Now now, KH3 had its fun moments like a fucking toy telling an OC edgelord to fuck and that nobody ever loved him

It did, like Donald casting Zettaflare. But overall it was disappointing. Especially the way the final boss just gives up for no real reason.

>>16902409

It was odd, I think it did the disney worlds better than any other KH game but the end game was the worst of any mainline KH game. I did like the game but they really could have done better.

>>16902399

There's one. And it was because it was a complete shitshow above and beyond what FFXV was. Not even most normalfags defend Andromeda, yet many will do so for FFXV.

>>16902419

autistic anon, I was making a joke

>>16902426

Did you confuse me with someone else? I didn't reply to you anon.

>21:28

>Cloud fighting the mysterious bullshit spectres aka the watchers of fate

>"This is stupid"

They fucking know.

>>16902419

>For remake, his hands are clean

<For the game he's the director of, his hands are clean

He's not the only one behind this shit, but he is far from free of blame.

>>16902437

> likely a whale in the XIV

Nah man. Even the most /m/ elements of FFXIV didn't grab me. Never been on to play nor pay for MMOs anywayVindictus / Mabinogi Heroes was the exception back in the day And I agree, there are many J-RPGs out still, I'm just tired of 1-offs and /v/eddit faggots who come here and either stir up faggotry or get banned because they have single digit IQs like a faggot that shilled a 4cuck thread before, and spread misinformation to the point where your average anon here starts thinking that TORpedos may be right about something. That's it.

>>16902440

Fair enough. Just know that he doesn't have as much input in story as much as he has in art, combat and how some scenes are shot. And if you want to be freaked out more, some events are still directed by mr."My waifu must be in every game ever".

To bring another game upfront, it would be like blaming Itsuno for making Nero into dub Ichigo in DMC4 instead of the character he wanted in DMC5, after he got full creative control on the project.

>>16902421

>It will be difficult because there is no more continuity between the Compilation and the Remake for the moment.

i.e. "we fucked the lore so bad nothing is canon anymore."

>>16902452

>/vg/

Isn't /vg/ dead though? I've been looking for it everywhere.

>>16902448

But MGQ and MGQP are good

>>16902452

>More parallel dimensions in the case of MGQP

Parallel dimensions created by a split in the timeline through timetravel fuckery. So essentially just alternate timelines.

>You crosslurk at /vg/ too?

No.

Shallow sidequest padding galore. FFXV all over again.

>>16902223

FF7 is really easy to fuck up because it's a game heavily about its story and characters and less reliant on gameplay. To make a tolerable FF5 remake they literally just have to copy and paste the gameplay. Even if they turn the story into retarded faggotry, it would still be pretty alright as a game. If they throw out the gameplay and make new gameplay from scratch by turning it into an action game, then all hope is lost.

>>16902448

Maybe Nomura played MGQP and thought it was a good idea for the FF7-verse? That's what I'll imagine, anyways. The thought of Nomura playing the MGQ games and taking inspiration from them cracks me up.

>Seeing a lot of posts defending the FF7R remakes changes

>Their excuse is:

<It wouldn't be cost effect for the company to essentially make a complete 3D remaster of FF7, so THAT'S why Square has changed the story so that they can knock out two bird with one stone. Stop being so selfish.

If it was "too costly" for the company to do this shit, then WHY not just make a new game altogether?

>>16902487

>It wouldn't be cost effect for the company to essentially make a complete 3D remaster of FF7, so THAT'S why Square has changed the story so that they can knock out two bird with one stone. Stop being so selfish.

This is a retarded excuse.

>>16902487

The amount of work that is put in to changing so much of the story also costs money, rather than closely keeping with the original with minor changes.

Either way, it's stupid to defend a company when they're making an inferior game.

>>16902217

Sure, in theory all you need is FF5 with fancier graphics and some more bonus content (maybe an official version of the Ancient Cave hack), but look at the two remakes before it. FF3DS was broken in lots of places with a mere two flaws (fewer enemies per battle without adjusting rewards, and that stupid job transition penalty). 4DS had downright retarded conditions for 100% completion (like giving characters that are about to leave a particular item with no indications). The SE of 15 years ago was far more competent than the SE of today.

I don't see how anyone can defend this. You could defend them changing the entire combat system to make it more cinematic. That just alters the presentation. But lying about it being a remake in the first place? There is no justification for that. SE kept insisting that it was going to be a series of games that retold and expanded on the original story of FF7 all throughout the development. It's even called FF7 REMAKE. If they had been upfront about what it actually was and called it FF7 Paradox or something, this wouldn't be a problem.

What were they hoping to accomplish with this?

Are they that confident that the millions of people who buy this game will be so impressed with that twist that they'll keep buying all the following games? That they won't be mad that they were promised one thing and got another?

I mean, MGS2 tricked the player with the previews too, but at least the game didn't lie about its story being a sequel to MGS.

>>16902511

>FF3DS was broken in lots of places

FUCK THAT FUCKING GAME

I got all the way near the very end and then apparently landed my airship somewhere I wasn't supposed to and skipped a dungeon with no way out, making progress impossible. I never got the motivation to start all over, either with the DS version or any other version.

Since they are already deviating from the original, will the next installment let you play as Sephiroth and have gay romance with Cloud?

>>16902520

Do you now understand Square asked people not spoil anything? They know it's fucking stupid.

>>16902524

That honestly sounds like it would have a better story than what we're going to get.

>>16902534

>halfway through the second part Ultimecia appears and is working with Sephiroth

>Squall joins the party

>he and Cloud begin to have memories of each other

>dissidia declared canon

>third game is about gathering all the old warriors and the final part has a bunch of Avengers team up shots

>>16902465

Sidequests aren't even a problem, it's the whole fucking plot being changed that ruins everything.

>>16902534

At this point, I'm willing to take everything you wrote as a fact.

>>16902541

>Sidequests aren't even a problem, it's the whole fucking plot being changed that ruins everything.

Everyone knows that. I'm just saying their "full size game that takes 60 hours" BS is built on boring padding like everyone not retarded expected.

>>16901761

>it's not canon, but it's canon

>they didn't make the history books, but they did

This shit is as autistic and nonsensical as the zelda timeline.

>>16902506

I mean the whole point is to bridge the gap of what happened while Noctis was gone from the city.

>>16902559

You'd think that fad would stop after Avengers Endgame.

>>16902566

No, it's like a gold rush. Figurines, posters, bags, t shirts and all of that. There's a lot of money to be made.

>>16902566

they have only begun the fad

>>16902572

Sadly. I wonder what pushes them to ruin everything. Isn't it in "everyone's" best interest to keep the bread and circus running properly?

>>16901712

I don't understand the ending. It makes no sense without chapters 2 and 3. You'd have to rush really bad and skip the meaningful fights to the apocalyptic ending.

May a YouTube channel with high popularity among normalfags hate the Final Fantasy VII Reboot. For such a thing doing good damage, even in a sea of shills, is a guarantee.

>>16902591

bestguyever is the first one that comes off the top of my head.

>>16902506

>>16902364

>>16902563

wasnt movie just the scrapped Versus game?

and yeah it was good , nice music too

>>16902624

Fuck my brain was fried. Mean to say :

>Namedropping the faggot who does fucking joke 4hour vids like FF CLASSES IN UNIVERSITY

>>16902624

So the Japanese fans will like this or not?

>>16902641

Your brain sure is fried. I can agree with that.

>>16902668

They've been teasing a FF7 remake for ten years and now that its out, it isn't a remake but a reboot featuring a sephiroth fanfic-tier story?

>>16902668

>bullshit about some phantom correction department fucking flickers away like the lie it was.

Nah, the censor department exists, but it's done out of pragmatic reasons rather than ideological ones. Just like how DOA6 offered butchered versions of outfits that were esports-friendly. The company itself would have no issue making sexy shit, but since it knows there's possible screeching to be had, they censor the foremost and most visiable default outfit while leaving the side ones which get less attention alone. This way the SE tries to have its cake and eat it too. Appease the screechers by offering the default to them, but leaving the side outfits untouched. It's why the Mana remake is comparatively less touched, it doesn't have the massive marketing push that FF7 is getting, so the company doesn't feel the same pressure to appease two sides.

>>16902668

>So all that bullshit about some phantom correction department fucking flickers away like the lie it was.

Anon.

>Nomura himself referenced the "ethics" department

>A Squeenix representative later outlined the explicit purpose of the department

>The China dress's boob window has comparable skin exposure to the blue dress

>Those miniskirt kimono shots posted don't actually show pantyshots, and there could easily be spats under there, just like how her regular miniskirt doesn't have panty shots

And I see you're also the fag flailing to defend Nomura when everything he's touched for the past decade has gone to shit. I'm fairly sure you're just being contrarian for the sake of it at this point.

>>16902668

>>16902757

Oh, and neither of those alt dresses are "bigger boobs". Which was the original confirmed change by the ethics department, to tighten up her chest. You have to understand the censors aren't necessarily consistent either. It's their job to point at things to change to ensure the game gets the proper age rating in all regions. When there's nothing that really threatens those ratings, which I doubt there was in this remake reboot sequel, they'll point to inane shit to look like they're doing their job. Like slightly shrinking Tifa's tits despite Shiva being far more risque. Or slightly censoring Rinoa's cleavage despite Siren and Ultimecia showing far more.

>>16902756

Do you forget the Puff Puff censorship?

>>16902767

I don't think "There's other sexy things in the game" fits anything on that bingo.

>>16902771

"they barely even changed anything"

>>16902385

didnt the dlc for the butler just retconned the whole game anyway?

>>16902773

>SE themselves are falling for the self-censorship shit as well and just conjure up phantom departments to avert the normalniggers and single digit IQers rage elsewhere.

Ah, I misunderstood you. But still, the dresses don't disprove the censors existing for the reasons I outlined in my second post on the subject.

>They'll eat the dick they deserve with no remorse, all of the fucking company.

They deserve it regardless. Either the actual devs cucked on their own or they cucked to the censors, and the censors only exist because the suits think they need them. For anything minor like Tifa's tits being somewhat large, Nomura can probably tell them to fuck off since he's director. But he didn't.

>>16902668

The characters in this game look creepy, their irises are too big and their faces are lifeless

At least based on these photos, I haven't watched any footage and have no interest in doing so

>>16902785

Yes, it was an alternative ending and it was better than the main one.

>>16902773

>SE themselves are falling for the self-censorship shit as well

How does that contradict with having a censor department? SE selfcensors and creates a censor department because bureaucracy. Pointing out they created a department isn't denying selfcensorship exists nor is that done to excuse them by downplaying where the blame goes. Of course SE deserves to eat shit for selfcensoring. I'm pretty sure we're in agreement even, but there's confusion because different connotations of misunderstanding eachother's words.

>>16902801

>nor is that done to excuse them by downplaying where the blame goes.

To anons, yes. But to normalfags, no. They think the department is necessary just like the suits do and think their decisions are merely unfortunate, and not representative of what directors want for games.

>>16902445

>>16902421

More like

>We weren't pay attention to the studio we hired to make the game and they didn't make the game we wanted them to make and we can't afford to start over.

They can't develop their own games, nor can they publish their own franchises without fucking up.

>>16902559

>>16902566

>>16902568

>>16902573

only these expanded universes are destroying storylines.

look how much asspulls a writer has to pull to connect all these divergent stories together.

>>16902815

>Squeenix knew they could never make a FFVII remake that could live up to the decade and a half of hype for it

But they only had to follow the fucking scenario and maybe add some padding here and there.

>>16902815

>Squeenix knew they could never make a FFVII remake that could live up to the decade and a half of hype for it

Foolish for them to believe so. All they had to do was modernize the graphics and audio, rebalance game mechanics, maybe turn important dialogue cutscenes into FMV's, and maybe throw in some new minor cutscenes to flesh out the world and characters a bit more (like the FFIV remake), and they would've had a sale from me. And they could've done this all in a fraction of the time and budget they're spending on the reboot.

>>16902820

You forget this is the same Squeenix where the only RPG series that's still turn-based is Dragon Quest. Squeenix either doesn't think turn-based would sell or they don't trust themselves to do it right

>>16902359

>>16901712

>>16901720

Alright, by this point I think we can all agree that this is not even going to be worth pirating.

Is there anything that's good about this game anything that makes it worth playing?

>>16902828

They didn't have to make it turn based.

>>16902831

Screencaps I had from a while back. Sorry I didn't get the date of them. I wonder how well these posts will age with the reception of the remake finally coming out.

>>16902831

>They will die on the hill of abandoning traditional RPGs.

Then let them die.

>>16902843

Despite how many anons complain about the accents it doesn't bother me at all. They really should go a bit lighter on the puns though.

>>16902833

>>16902835

I think it'll be worth a pirate for the same reason KH3 is worth playing as long as you don't pay. To witness firsthand the retardation of the convoluted plot.

>>16902831

>>16902839

>Relative time

Nigger.

>>16902843

>but I understand why its a thing.

If I recall correctly, when they originally added accents, it was text only and you couldn't make out half of what they said. It was purely the translators localizers "adding spice to their meal".

>>16902846

>If I recall correctly, when they originally added accents, it was text only and you couldn't make out half of what they said.

I think the accents started with DQ8.

>>16902844

>They really should go a bit lighter on the puns though.

Is the Jap version not full of jokes for every other enemy name?

>>16902850

I think you're right on that, and they simply backported this practice to later localizations of earlier games unnecessarily.

>>16902820

>>16902823

You know, it just occured to me : they could have made the entire game like Onimusha or FF9, with painted pre-rendered backgrounds, the characters in them that are updated in a nice visual style close to how FFX was, add voiced dialogue everywhere, throw the nods to CC since they already have the premade CG cutscenes and stuff and they would be golden + they could have released it on the PS3 as well. Add skip buttons for the summons and faster loading and it would be great.

Crystal Tools was a mistake.

>>16902828

Like the anon below showed, SE leaves turn based only to mobages or to TOSE for their World of FF series or to the guys at Silicon Studio since they publish their games. If the Wada era executives weren't gigafaggots and didn't drive away the SAGA dudes, they would still be under SE…not sure how good or bad that would be, considering how much they struggle nowadays.

And japanese love their turn based mobage combat way, WAY too much. Opera Omnia blew Dissidia NT so much out of the water, it wasn't even funny.

>>16902835

>Is there anything that's good about this game

Combat's good, gameplay's fine, materia system is quite intact, neat weapon mod system with SP

>anything that makes it worth playing?

FUCK NO

Get the demo only and just lament that the combat system we got could have been what Versus XIII was originally intended to be.

>>16902836

Nips love DQ and want it Turn based all day e'rry day. Unless it's a spin-off and even then it's iffy.

>>16902843

Nips were indepted(somewhat) to bongs and kinda subservient to them after during Meiji, they took a lot from them but they don't like them as much as they adore Frogs, Krautsseriously, half of Japan is filled with Krautaboos , vikings and greeks. The also have a fascination with *their america* which is what the OG RE series, Dino crisis series were etc etc.

And it's purely a localization thing, just like with Xenoblade. None of them is meant to be in any sort of accent, bar a few characters. If it was actually translated, everyone in the DQ games or the Xeno games would talk in the most flat, basic english dialect out there.

>>16902850

It was before DQ8. DQ7 I think? Where there is this infamous screen of the king saying some really bong shit.

>>16902831

I believe the same thing about deception and trickery. Because if what anons love to say about normalfag taste is true, then a turn-based FFVII remake would've, at a minimum, sold just as well based on brand recognition alone. Doubly so because it's Final Fantasy.

As I think you're saying, this is about power tripping turbo autistics being in charge, rather than nobody wanting to play a particular style of game anymore.

But for me, I can't think of more different things to say about the reboot, until the full worldwide release on the 10th, reviews start coming in, and Square stops banning early discussion on normalfag websites.