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I gave up.

>>16806930

NEVER GIVE UP

>>16806970

Fully authoritative, of course. Well, kinda. Almost.

The Client still has to ray trace from the camera to check what point it's clicking in and if it clicked anything, using both as parameters for the actual command that gets sent to the server.

It also does a few more checks that I don't think someone could realistically mess with for much profit with an hacked client (but I probably should move it to server-side anyway).

The rest happens entirely on the server, spawning the projectile and moving it as well as the chain effect of detaching every limb from it's parent object and enabling it's physics. The head stays because it's the top most in the mob's body hierarchy and I haven't got around to recalculate it's proper collider size based on it's body parts, otherwise You'd see it fall down and the player controlling it would follow the head still.

I'm getting some weird results with movement however and I think that shows in the video.

My current setup has an object for the mob and another for the player. You can send your inputs to the server, that moves the mob around and on the client, the player object tries to follow the mob as close as possible.

But I think that, because I'm using it locally and I have basically 0 ping, I'm getting some weird interpolation that results in a few hiccups and spasms while moving around.

I was using that Mirror API for Unity since that's at least something usable and I was hoping it'd solve that problem, but so far no luck.

I'll probably have to do the default "move your object client-side and check if you're not too different from the server" instead for the player Mob, which is something I wasn't too kin on doing because that'd mean giving player authority over that object.

>>16807005

>I'll probably have to do the default "move your object client-side and check if you're not too different from the server" instead for the player Mob, which is something I wasn't too kin on doing because that'd mean giving player authority over that object.

You have to do that anyway in order to accommodate for latency, jitter and packet loss.

>>16807416

Other side of the Atlantic, actually. But we kinda invented BRs, so I get why people would blame them on us.

Hope he completes his game, our country needs to surpass slavistan in reputation for vydia.

>>16807368

>Violence

>Sexual Content

>Drugs

>ILLEGAL DRUGS

Finally! It's the GTA vs Rune Factory crossover everyone was waiting for!

>>16807455

>And at least in Brazil you have the chance to make a small fortune

dude, we have like, 42% total tax, according to https://impostometro.com.br/ we work 153 days per year just to pay tax, it can't be worse in portugal, the best comparative figure I found was tax-to-GDP ratio in Portugal of 35.4%

>>16807501

I had no idea, I'm living in a blessed country. I pay 5% Income tax, and 20% for buying shit. If I buy shit from the black market - it's 0%. And black market is pretty good here.

>>16807794

>fake (you)

You are a nigger and a faggot.

>>16807368

>Planned Release Date: December 2020

What

>>16807814

I just copied my post from the other topic.

>>16807821

Early Access release

>>16808420

Well, adding good melee weapons its a mistake for starters, since giving the player a reliable melee weapon through the game makes ammo conservation meaningless, just look at how easy silent hill 1 and 2 are compared to classic resident evil games.

>>16808420

Depends on how hard you wanna make the survival. RE 1,2 and 0 surprisingly had a good balance. Exploring a new area was extremely stressful because, if you didn't know the game like the back of your hand or exploit buggy AI, then you might not have enough supplies to make it through. Seriously, the transition to SH from RE is pretty jarring like >>16808429 said. I remember having around 100 pistol bullets by the end of SH1. That being said, a lot of indie survival horror games go way too hard in the other direction. To the point were it's just flat out tedious.

Honestly it's all about the atmosphere. Atmosphere in horror goes way further than gameplay.

>>16807856

>SS13

Noice.

>>16807794

Nice! Are you making rainbow six with an overhead camera? I've always wanted to do something like it.

>>16808910

Browser tower defense game.

>>16808913

How do I make that? Make enemies run point A to B while blocks prevent them? Have a time limit for the enemies to navigate a path?

>>16809192

You use javascript to create the actual game and HTML to make a webpage for anyone to try it. Try Unity since it allows you to do exactly that and can be coded with javascript.

>Make enemies run point A to B while blocks prevent them?

You're making it sound too simple.

You have to create a grid on which obstacles can exist, both pre-fixed ones accordingly to the level and player-placed ones.

Then you have to code an HUD that lets the player to pick and place both obstacles but also towers that can damage enemies.

Then you have to create pathfinding logic to navigate whatever state your grid is in from spawn to defense point. You will also have to use the same logic to ensure the player hasn't blocked completely the path and prevent construction or allow destruction of obstacles and code pathfinding to take that into consideration.

Then you have to code the AI for your towers so they can detect enemies in range and attack them.

Then you have to code enemies that can use your pathfinding algorithm to move towards the goal, die when shot too much and any other fancy routine you want to include.

Then you have to code the game loop, how the player gets resources, spending them to build things, upgrading placed objects, waves of spawns and different levels.

Then you have to balance the game, the costs for the player, the resources he can get, the damage the towers and the monsters deal. This will be almost as hard as coding the whole thing.

Then you have to make a web page, host it somewhere and include your game on it. Shill the address and hopefully everyone will tell you how much fun they had playing it.

Fucking UNITY is transitioning its multiplayer API for more than a fucking year now. What engine should I use to make a 2D co-op game?

>>16809281

Unity's, not even kidding.

It's on preview and whatnot, but the new dots networking is great.

The biggest issue is that it's performance is dog shit on editor unless you disable a bunch of stuff, but pretty good on the built version.

Download and check out the newest dots sample package and check it out.

I will just wait on it though, but if you really need to start your project today, it's good enough as it is

>>16809192

>Make enemies run point A to B while blocks prevent them? Have a time limit for the enemies to navigate a path?

There's about as many ways as you could imagine. You could have a predefined waypoints that they follow in order. You could make a really fancy b-spline travel mechanic to make them walk on curves. You could use a path finding algorithm. The map tiles themselves could have instructions for where an enemy turns to when it walks on it.

>time limit for the enemies to navigate a path

You probably don't want this though, sounds pretty awkward. Each enemy should have it's own speed and move to whatever direction it's moving, at it's own speed.

>>16809262

You're making it sound too complicated. The engine itself can be very simple, the hard part would be to do the balancing and add enough content (mainly enemies and towers) to keep it interesting.

Also host in itch.io. It's the best place to shove your games in, especially browser games.

>>16809381

Damn, I've been waiting for almost a year because they said they were going to do this big ass update. I think I will mess around with it and see if it can work as it is.

>>16809262

>Try Unity since it allows you to do exactly that and can be coded with javascript

Not since Unity 5 (2015), but it can export to a webgl app and there is project tiny, made to make games for telegram/whatsapp or literal game ads (you play the ad), so they are made to be less than 100kb big, it's on preview and likely not able to actually use it to finish a game with it yet.

>>16809192

If you even consider Unity for that, take notice that some features are not available in webgl builds, but that's mostly the super advanced stuff like compute shaders and whatnot

>>16809394

The devs made a arena shooter project, of which I am pretty interested in the dots animation part of it , so it should be usable enough, but then there is the difference of the developer knowing exactly how to use the tool and the user that hardly knows anything, about it attempting to use it, especially since it is still heavily in development

>>16809192

look up html5 game programming etc, there should be plenty of videos around. if you go unity might as well go all in and do it properly with c# (if you already know the basics of js learning it shouldn't be much of an issue)

word of warning if you wanna go js/canvas, lof of books are basically shilling some meme-framework, which does makes things easier but fuck off if you can't even mention it in the books title.

>>16809281

new one is still a while out, I've heard current one is meh so you'd need your own custom solution or something from the asset store. at least it works p2p compared to UE

>>16809406

>The devs made a arena shooter project

is it out yet? didn't see anything in the blog and unite copenhagen was months ago. maybe they're just waiting for 2019.3, whenever that will be released…

>>16809543

>is it out yet?

https://forum.unity.com/threads/dots-sample.796308/

since December 18

>>16809543

Wait, UE has no p2p?

Are there any good guides to learn how to create 3d models out of 2d references, and on how to texture properly?

>>16808420

>What makes a survival horror game good? I'm working on one atm classic fixed camera style but I need pointers and ideas.

It's all a matter of what kind of "feelings" (eheh) you want your player to feel. Generally, if you go more for the survival part of survival horror, you want to have your player constantly reassess his resources and manage different enemies differently, so you can have a lower enemy variety like 7 different classes of them (which I heard is some sort of mental magic number) and just juggle their number and combinations according to how the player can react to them (one good example on how to do this right is Killer7, you have to prioritize enemies depending on their type and the distance from you, as well as the resource which in this case is your very limited health bar and the time it takes to reload and fire with the different characters).

If you go more through the "horror" path, you should scare the player in ways that they can't really experience otherwise. Aside from the fact that you want him to feel unsafe all throughout (giving him a slow, mechanical walk, or making his resources scarce or very weak or situational at best etc.), which can lead more to frustration than actually good gameplay, you want to basically fuck up with his mind. Have the game change stuff on the hud in ways that make him self doubt, randomly look like the game just crashed or his controls don't work a la Eternal Darkness, screw around with his screensaver, randomly turn on the game etc. The point is you need to make the player feel like the game itself is trying to give him the heebie jeebies and then transfer that sort of thinking to the characters' situation.

Also, use silence instead of jump scares. Like, put some ugly motherfucker right behind your player character so the moment the player looks back with his camera he sees this silent asshole breathing on his neck, doing nothing until on camera.

>>16809919

Colors are all nice, really like the autumnal tree's color on the top. I would desaturate the flame's color, it's a little on the yellow/orange side, and I think are paler flame would look a lot nicer.

Anyways, good job :)

>>16809606

>Wait, UE has no p2p?

nope

>https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/c-gameplay-programming/1647162-best-peer-to-peer-network-solution-for-a-multiplayer-shooter

so get ready to do all the stuff yourself (or buy it, no idea if there's something for it on the marketplace). however, there's also this:

>Listen Server Character Movement appears to have no Interpolation

>https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-32005

>Created: Jun 14, 2016

while I agree dedicated is usually the way to go, if you want a small co-op game it's usually overkill and has way more cons than pros, but you can't even do that properly.

>play 2 player co-op game

>mate is warping all over the place worse than quake 1 with a 14.4 modem

where it gets full retard is using some hacked together p2p solution for pvp like first contact entertainment did for FZH. imagine playing cs and the second you blast the host he disconnects and everybody gets booted to the main menu. of course you don't get any progression in that case. have fun!

>>16809556

>since December 18

well fuck me sideways. usually check the blog but for some reason they didn't put it there.

>>16809718

>Are there any good guides to learn how to create 3d models out of 2d references

this might be helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVbIOHAI3iY

>inb4 linking directly to jewtube

proper description, no shitty intro, begging for subs and other shit only at the end, no 30 minute video for 5 minutes of content, might as well give him some views

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Been doing some spriting.

>>16810354

>inb4 linking directly to jewtube

I don't mind, thanks a lot friend.

>>16810315

looks good, is that a robot or an alien

>>16811344

It's a furry.

>>16811369

did you even have an active BO over there?

>had an idea but shelved it because shit at programming even after reading, trying and following advices

>draws assets, record sounds and everything but shelved it because as reason above

>give up, but then it comes all over again after playing a vidya

how do I get a funding to pay a programmer?

>>16811390

Programming like art and writing are not academic skills you can just read a book to get. They're skills that you need to spend years honing and practicing.

>how do I get a funding to pay a programmer?

If you suck cock well enough and swallow the cum then you could get it for free.

>>16811390

>because as reason above

what do you mean you were shit at the art part as well or gave up because you couldn't program. You could try posting your art assets somewhere to get people hiped. Or release them for other people to use since you'll never complete your game anyways, and that's better then letting them rot

>>16811390

Post your assets and idea here. Programmers will often work for something that they are passionate about or have fun working on, as long as they like the idea or find it interesting.

Alternatively, you can just promise a share of the profits if you intend to sell it.

>>16811383

Can the T-64's machine gun fire, or is it just to complete the look? I noticed that the wheels inside the tracks on the T-64 are notably lower poly than the SU100. You might want to consider shaving off some length of the autocannon on your blue tank, because from this angle, it looks like it's extending as far as the spikes are.

You're going a good job, anon.

>>16811501

Whether or not desyncs are a problem depends on your approach to networking. FPS games tend to spam over gamestate information, causing any inaccuracies to be fixed within a few frames.

The other approach is to run a proper deterministic simulation. In this case, you need to make sure that the same code with the same inputs will always spit out the same outputs. This is half writing good code, and half making sure you actually produce the correct floating point instructions that produce the correct results.

If you want more in-depth information, feel free to ask. Tell me what you're trying to make and what requirements you have, if any.

>>16811390

As the other anon said, share what you make. Demonstrating your skillset and the dedication by putting in the initial effort goes a long way.

You can do it here, and there's also plenty other gamedev forums that do this sort of thing.

The only downside is that many programmers still want a good pay. If your project is non-profit, or if you don't intend to split the profits, you're gonna have a bad time.

>>16811747

>and half making sure you actually produce the correct floating point instructions that produce the correct results

Or using fixed point math.

>>16811747

Wouldn't that checking of inaccuracies be expensive?

I want to make a co-op metroidvania, so I don't really care about checking for cheats or things like that, I just want to know about how the handle the latency.

Example: Monster AI wants to charge at player1, but player 1 changes location 150ms before changing at player2 screen, so Monster AI at player2 screen would have a different outcome in his pathing.

>>16808910

I know Powerpoint. What games can I make?

>>16811785

Take a look at some examples

https://powerpointgames.uk/

>>16811765

>Wouldn't that checking of inaccuracies be expensive?

You don't check for inaccuracies. The server periodically sends its gamestate to the client, which the client then extrapolates from to cover up lagg. The extrapolated state is inaccurate, but it is discarded the moment the server sends a new gamestate. This is what fixes the inaccuracies.

>I want to make a co-op metroidvania, so I don't really care about checking for cheats or things like that, I just want to know about how the handle the latency.

>Example: Monster AI wants to charge at player1, but player 1 changes location 150ms before changing at player2 screen, so Monster AI at player2 screen would have a different outcome in his pathing.

Either you take the above approach, which is known as "Dead Reckoning". Or you implement rollback networking (see embed), but that's more complicated.

This is all easier said than done, and has massive design implications in how you structure your code and data structures. You need to design your entire project around how it should work in networking if you want it to have multiplayer.

Alternatively you can forego making an actual structured approach to networking. Some games do this, and end up with a buggy mess that never "just works". In that case, you can just stack hacks on hacks to make it work the way you want it. For your example, you could make it so that a monster & it's AI is always owned by one client, and have that client stream over the things that entity does. (Including information like the exact position.)

Dark Souls 3 actually does this. When a monster targets a player, then the player it targets owns the monster. If your PC isn't capable of running the game at full speed, then the decision making of the monster wouldn't run at full speed either. This produces the fun behavior where sometimes a monster would aggro onto a potato pc player, attack, and then stand still doing nothing for half a second because the attack didn't finish on the potato pc player's perspective.

What approach is best for your project is hard to say.

Dead Reckoning is the simple "tried and tested" approached used by many games, but if you have to send over a lot of data (e.g. if you have a large world with lots of entities), then this wont work too well.

Rollback is still relatively new, and hasn't been implemented by a lot of games yet. It requires that you game can simulate at a very high tickrate, meaning the computational cost of your game can't be too high.

Discarding a structural approach is also an option. Under time constraints it sometimes even is the best one. But you'll be forced to stack tons of hacks ontop of eachother, inevitably creating odd behaviors like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFgo-trRpVo that can only be fixed by completely neutering some mechanics or make them plain unusable under poor network conditions.

>>16811765

Powerpoint is turing complete so you can technically make anything.

>>16811831

God damn, didn't think it would have that many approaches. Thanks for the info, I will think through on how I want it to be before going into it.

>>16811851

Unity keeps track of the last X cycle's game states and sends only the differences or some crazy shit like that

>>16811864

Yes, that's dead reckoning.

Sending over only the delta changes instead of the full gamestate is something many engines do, including Quake 3 from two decades ago: https://fabiensanglard.net/quake3/network.php

I just didn't mention it since it's not a necessity, nor does it solve the problem that your gamestate can't become too big. It just moves it from "entire gamestate" to "everything that changes in your gamestate". Which in many games is still a significant portion of the data.

>>16811851

it's one of the reasons people roll with existing engines. here's a more recent talk about the latest sample mentioned in >>16809556

iirc unity guys said they want to offer different solutions for different games later on (which can take a while, can't find it right now), might be worth considering.

It's been a while since i posted here

Used to post here about an RTS game called the rebellion

have since abandoned the project since the codebase became unmaintainable

started working on a new projects a few months ago

It's gonna be a total war clone with mythological units and god powers like the stuff in age of mythology

I'm making it in irrDAW

anyway i wanted to see if anyone was interested in joining in the project. While I do intend on eventually releasing the game right now it's just a hobby and mainly for fun.

can post more info if anyone is interested

>>16812535

dunno, lol.

He's a carpenter.

Gotta try to see if I can make a Max Rodri Royale.

shmup anon here.

I have been putting the shield effect in place, since internally it was already taken in account, I thought "well, adding some visuals wouldn't be difficult, what can go wrong!"

Only to realize that I have to sprinkle change everywhere since I have to add data related to animation with impact. I was also wondering how I would show a model with minimal change and… Turns out it's quite possible.

Since shield is using a unit's data, I only had to add some data in the unit structure, and generate a drawing manifest with the existing data, but instead of rendering unit model, I just ask to draw the shield model with a different shader. That way I don't even have to upload more data (beside shield impact in a texture buffer). There's some waste since I also re-use data on unit that have no shield, but then I have to measure if filtering data and resending compact data, or sending multiple drawing manifest would be better, or since I'm using so few tris that it doesn't matter… Can't be bothered with that right now.

Result: It works, but the display seems to want to use a texture while I don't use one, it's probably in the shader. So right now I'm checking the whole loop since I had to make code change a bit everywhere. Hopefully, other effects like unit movement trails or other is reusing the current particle manager, so I don't have to add new code.

>>16812298

>>16811965

You fucking baboons are making me read/watch so much I will fucking implode on my cellular structure.

>>16812415

>Oh hello, it sucks to hear that your codebase got fucked over.

ah it was my own fault neglected code quality for a long time.

>At least good to hear something from you again, I thought you went missed in action.

life just happens, pretty much had to become a normie get a job get a gf move out. But I realised gamedev is still my passion so I'm getting back into it

>>16812736

I don't get your point, you can play the demo even if the game is not out.

>>16812772

Context clues.

>>16812760

You didn't expect multiplayer to be easy, did you?

>>16812787

Your argument appears to be "it's not early access, it just has a demo".

You do realize the dev explicitly stated in this very thread that it is going to be Early Access starting at the date shown on the Steam store page, right?

I personally have no problem with Early Access as long as it's done right it rarely is, but I'll give the brothers here the benefit of the doubt but your attempt at defending them is retarded.

>Spend the entire day juggling files attempting to make asmdef files work in Unity

>Circular references everyfuckingwhere

>Butcher a lot of classes and get nowhere

>Revert to last commit

>Convert the biggest class in a dll

>Compile time from 28 seconds to 19

What a wonderful productive day, tomorrow I will try going one piece of code at a time rather than attempting to split the entire project in a billion asmdefs, so that at least I get some checkpoints, because I know for sure some stuff can be split from the active code

>>16812797

Why are you giving the retard attention?

What are some good places to post for visibility? Do people here post on twitter (or other social media) with any degree of success? What about posting on development blogs separate from agdg? What are good places for development blogs?

>>16812842

Itch and Gamejolt. People on those websites are looking for games.

>>16812842

I would just look at where successful indies that stay out of the SJW shit got started. Factorio, Darkwood, Pnumbra/Amnesia (TDD not AMFP), etc. I know speebot/phantom dev has a twitter he posts on a lot but I don't know how much success it nets him. Notch use to just shill his game on 4chan and a bunch of forums.

Other than that it's really all about connections. I remember there was a GDC conference talking about how to go to a indie game event to show off your game and all the clever ideas you can do to pimp out your stand and attract people. At the end of the presentation the presenter literally said "Yeah none of this really matters, you go for the connections. I met this guy from extra credits who got me a deal with this label, etc". It's pretty disgusting.

>>16812795

Y-yes? I'm just sending bits over some cables…

>>16813313

Imagine if you will, you were a CPU. A cycle is like a second to you.

You are sending mail (bits) hrough a mail service (cables) that wil arrive days later. The recipient has to spend hours trying to predict what he'll get, then send more things back to you that also take days. Worse, some letters can be lost, arriving even later than newer mail, or never arriving at all. Hell, be glad the numbers in the letter don't randomly change as far as you're concerned, because you have an accountant doublechecking everything. (Your computer's networking already has parity checking. Bits can randomly flip when sent over the internet)

Does that sound like an easy way of working to you? Imagine if you had to run a business like that.

>>16813755

Do you not have to use a legacy compiler to make that work? I have no idea.

>>16813313

The problem you're trying to solve is simple: The clients are not in sync.

Unfortunately, latency makes a perfect solution impossible. Instead you're forced to create something that feels "good enough", using one of many approaches, each using different trade-offs to deliver the best experience for that particular product.

Not only that, but what approach to take and how to adapt your code to it is complicated to the point that engines like Unity and Unreal can't offer simple solutions. That should've been your first hint that "just sending bits over some cables" is a gross oversimplification.

>>16813762

I know others have gotten it to work using MinGW, though fuck knows what version. No indication that they had to use any legacy compiler so instead I just tried a MinGW version from around when their question was posted, 2013. That's probably my next avenue to try,though legacy versions of MinGW are a pain to get working.

>>16813755

>Windows 95 programming

Good lord. I want to ask why but at the same time I kinda want to dig up an old Win95 computer and play old ass games on it

It probably depends on the compiler and IDE you're using. A modern version of Visual Studio is out of the question. It's probably linking all sorts of retarded bullshit. You likely need to use something old as fuck like bloodshed devc++ or just straight up gcc and makefiles.

>>16813841

>Good lord. I want to ask why

It's really simple. My game is styled after a platformer from 97 so it should be able to run on Windows 95 and ideally on processors of the time but I think that's too tall an ask in terms of good performance, I'll do my best anyway though It always bothers me how many poorly made lazy San Francisco indies have "old-school" styled games made in Unity that have modern hardware requirements. As it stands, my game runs on XP but that's not good enough God damn it. It's retardedly stubborn and stubbornly retarded but I know it's something that'll nag the shit out of me if I don't get it done. Call it a fun experiment.

>>16813864

>I'd tell you to compile on the OS you're targeting, but I have a feeling you're only targeting Win95 because you're on it.

That is something I thought about but it'd be a bit of a pain in the ass considering my main development machine runs Win7. I don't mind making a legacy executable as long as it works, though. As for why I'm trying to compile for 95, read above.

Thanks for those sources though, I dunno how I didn't come across them.

>>16813881

You're gunna have to let some things go eventually if you ever want to finish your game.

>>16813895

My ideal game would run on XP or at least be compatible. It's not a bad idea to learn a bit about older platforms as newer ones become more draconic.

>>16814327

>Had to downgrade to Visual Studio 2005

Called it.

>the "It's now safe to turn off your computer" is the comfiest thing I've seen in ages.

Blast from the fucking past. I haven't seen that in so long.

>>16814327

>>16814353

>Modern computers don't say that it's safe to turn them off anymore

>Ignorant consumers have been turning them off blindly for over two decades

Why do the companies lie to us?

>>16814358

It actually is an option in modern Windows, you just have to enable it and it looks like shit. In Windows 7, you know that "Starting Windows" font? Just uses that instead of comfy giant orange.

>>16814353

Even VS2005 doesn't work out of the box, actually. Seems like it needs different fixes for different people, whether it's "NewAPIs.h", defining WINVER as 0x0400 or linking their own modified Kernel32.dll file, or doing what I did. I was fully expecting needing to downgrade further when fix from a random Japanese blog, which is one I already tried but slightly modified, suddenly worked.

I assume it might be possible to extend this function and disable everything else that MinGW was looking for but considering a MinGW-compiled executable of the same code is three times the size as one of VC++2005, I can only imagine how much needless shit they're loading in there.

>>16811369

Make one on anon.cafe or julay.world and ask the guy in the op to include the board then

>>16814597

>the whole thing was created thanks to DayZ

I believe it was actually Mount&Blade Warband

>>16814449

If you have troubles in the future you can look into gcc or clang. There's a lot of compatibility paranoia around the people who use those compilers. Gcc is old as fuck and bloated out the ass so clang might be more optimal, but gcc is more likely to have a version that succeeds. Also bloodshed devc++ like I mentioned earlier. It's an old dead IDE that stopped getting updates around 2005.

>C#

>Never touch Predicates because they seemed confusing

>They're just a delegate that takes (T) and returns bool and used a lot in search functions

Huh, neat

>>16814638

DayZ poisoned the well way more than any other game. There were a lot of really notorious examples, ones that are way more egregious, but DayZ was the one that blind sided the most people. Really the reason why it's not the absolute definitive textbook example of early access bullshit is because Valve opened the floodgates for this shit. In it's wake there where 100s of 1000s of early access games dumped onto steam. I can't find the chart, but steam got more games in a single year than in it's entire history combined for 2-3 years in a row.

After DayZ the early access portion of steam was really innovating in a way the industry hasn't seen since 3d graphics. It was constantly finding new lows that's none would even conceive as acceptable. Shit like, games on the store that don't even have an executable. It's like they're in an arms race with crowd funding.

>>16812655

Most /agdg/ devs don't hang out in the other /v/ threads. They wouldn't be able to finish a game if they procrastinated heavily. This thread is a board of it's own.

Apple's infinite wisdom pisses me off. There are now so many versions of OS X that it's impossible to find any info on MacOS that predate OS X. I've been looking for a Virtual Machine/emulation solution (found one ancient one so far) but nearly all results are for OS X 8 instead of MacOS 8.

And speaking of which, does anyone with experience know how fucked compatibility between the various OS X versions is? I assume OS 8 and 9 are out of the question pretty much non-existent compatibility from my reading, but even new versions of OS X have trash inter-compatibility, but I assume that's moreso for modern software development. I do hope that it's not as bad for a simple program that relies mostly on old C++ and OpenGL functions.

>>16815012

Sheepshaver is the thing you're looking for.

>>16815024

That's the first one I've come across, yeah. Found a whole list of them with tutorials here

https://www.emaculation.com/doku.php

Feels like touching a cancer patient, considering I've never used any Apple OS in my life aside for my Grandma's iPhone for five minutes before giving up on it in pure disgust. Classic Apple stuff seems cool, though, I wish I had more experience with it.

>>16814960

Can I hit my horn into her wire-frame if you catch my drift.

>>16814790

looking into early access is not much different than buying a game. a $60 game you would look at the technical state, length, replay-ability (if you're into that) etc.

EA is track record of the company, progress so far, quality of update etc. plus I can hardly remember a full price EA game.

if you are a sheep and buy games solely based on screenshots it's your own fault, early access or not.

>>16815244

Hind-site is 20/20. I think DayZ blind sided so many people, because early access had just came out. Given how some resemblance of standards existed on Steam back then, the game was also massively popular (gives it credibility to normalfags) and a lot of games like TF2 had a track record of being constantly updated… It's easy to see why so many people would fall for the trap initially. This happens everytime a huge change happens. The first wave of people reliably get burned by it.

I can gladly say I have never purchased an early access game aside from Factorio, nor contributed to any crowdfunding period.

>>16815261

The first game that disillusioned me was Starcraft 2. It wasn't up to my standards and I stopped trusting games. I got burned by early access (specifically I think it was MN9) but I only lost $40. I have a friend who loves robots and he spent over $200 on it.

>>16815261

>Hind-site is 20/20.

dunno, hardly ever get burned because I hardly buy stuff at release, so even for early access stuff there's a bit of track record to draw conclusions from, so I tend to get at least my money's worth usually.

same way I didn't buy into the NMS hype because it was obvious pretty early it would be nowhere near what people expected.

>>16815266

I never got turned off by one game. It was that awful period between 2009-2011 were DLC was taking off implying games were going to be more cheapened for quick profit, Capcom just nickle and dime every single fucking thing, Valve starting the manneconomy with $20 hats, every reviewer giving +90s on every mediocre title (obviously paid off), and the state of the industry that made me super jaded.

>>16815336

I wasn't really talking from the typical anons perspective. Not really sure how many here got burned by it. Majority of normalfags still get hyped for new releases. It's only very very recently thanks to Bethesda that they're starting to be more cautious.

>>16814960

Needs more muscle

>>16815346

>only very very recently thanks to Bethesda that they're starting to be more cautious.

considering that molyneux pulled those stunts 20 years ago and spore came out 12 years ago, I don't believe people will ever be get wise.

sucker born every day as they say.

>>16816037

I don't know if it was ever this bad for the normalfags. Geek culture has never been so prevalent for them.

Fable didn't burn the normalfags. I don't think the majority of people who bought that game even knew who Molyneux was. It was during that period where PC devs moved over to the consoles to get a newer more ignorant audience. It killed his reputation inside the industry and with people who pay attention, but to the never ending mass of normalfags a lot of them thought it was a good game. It's like Oblivion/Skyim. It pissed off the fans, but the normalfags ate it up with a smile on their face. It did well enough to get 2 sequels. I don't really know how the normalfags viewed spore to comment on that one.

I don't think I've seen normalfags get fucked nearly as hard as they did with 76. Bethseda essentially spit on the ones who pre-ordered for that bag and the nuka dark thing. What they did was such a level of bullshit they had to distribute $5 gift cards, just to trick the fans into using it so they couldn't sue Bethesda for straight up lying If they used the card that's essentially settling. It's something that could really occur in this type of environment. Normalfags have been conditioned with a decade of being sodomized with shitty nickle and diming AAA shit that the companies think they can get away with this shit. It wasn't even over-promising. It was straight up theft.

EA's Battlefront shit is a close second, but they didn't straight up lie to the point of being legally liable.

>>16817207

Try using the pomodoro method to help you focus on one thing at a time, and give yourself permission to fully focus on that one thing.

The basics of the method is this:

1: set a timer for 25 minutes

2: work on one task for 25 minutes

3: when the timer goes off, check that item off your list

4: take a break for 5 minutes

5: set the timer and go again

This way you can put 25 minutes into just programming, then take a 5 minute break to get a drink and shitpost, then go back to work for another 25 minutes of full focus on art, and keep going like that

>>16818127

Actually I found an RTS which sounds like it was taking place in WW1 on the /agdg/ wiki. "Panzerstahl" Looks like it's dead.

http://8agdg.wikidot.com/panzerstahl-rts

>>16818134

Oh yes, that was it!

>>16818350

Thanks, yes I made this coal powerplant model and the terrain the rest is from different sources. Nowadays all my models are done in Blender instead of Wings 3D, Blender is for me more comfortable to work with despite it is more keyboard oriented then mouse + context menu. I kinda wish that Blender has a much better 3D/2D painting tools for texturing models instead of that stupid grease pencil additions that they keep boasting about, as well better UV packing algorithm which seems to be in stalemate for a long time.

>>16818360

I also use blender, but I use gimp for making textures. I agree. The UV unwrapper shit is fucking terrible. Easily the biggest time sink.

>>16818462

Can I rape that thing?

>>16818714

these look really cool anon

>>16818714

They actually look like they have effort put into them as a result.

I need to do collision detection in my total war clone

What's a good approach I'm looking into spatial indexing and quadtrees anyone got any good resources.

>>16819147

Can you draw both and have the LOD fade depending on distance to the object?

Or is it a single object with multiple meshes?

>>16819531

It is a computebuffer filled with positions, then I draw the same mesh multiple times, once per position. To create a LOD effect, I've sorted the buffer positions as such:

1 5 3 5

5 4 5 4

3 5 2 5

5 4 5 4

This pattern repeats over the whole 256*256 tile (the actual size is 32x32, there are 8 blades of grass each 1 unit distance, so 64 per 1x1x1 cube)

This pattern is used to order the positions in the position compute shader, and I count how many 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 I have, since the geometry might make I have slightly more 1 than 2 even though theoretically they should be the same.

If I need to draw only half the meshes due to distance, I will draw the first half of the buffer, which will contain all 1s, 2s, 3s and 4s, at each lod level I effectively draw only half of the previous, and thanks to the ordering pattern, they are still evenly spread. At the last lod level, I only draw 1/16 of the total meshes.

To compensate for there having less of them, I make them thicker at distance.

To fix the obvious LOD border, I will send the totals to the shader, and each instance will check if it is about to stop being rendered due to lod change, and I will make it go away a little bit earlier so that no blade of grass that should be gone by the next LOD level will be visible by the time the transition happens. The issue is that blades of grass that are not drawn because the shader hid will use just as much processing power as if it was drawn.

This in itself will still look bad, since it will become a obvious circle around the camera where the amount of grasses decrease, so I add a small random to the blade distance, making it disappear slightly earlier, but unevenly, this creates a 'gradient circle' instead of a obvious one. I will post pictures of each stage of development as I do it this evening.

>>16815118

Im going into my 7th year of development soon, but it should be done this year

>>16819677

I know that feel. I still compile my projects for 32 bit. Also I wish OpenGL wasn't so complicated to work with.

>>16815118

Yeah I lost about 4 years of devtime because I got a full-time job (although to be fair I was also studying). Fuck man I wish I'd just worked part time and made progress on shit I actually cared about.

>>16819766

>GLUT does not execute your main loop during windows a WM_ENTERSIZEMOVE operation on windows. So your program freezes while you move your window around

With FreeGLUT I have smooth window movement and resizing. I can't remember how I did it though. I think you call glutPostRedisplay() in GL_idle() or something, obviously you use a timer to prevent calling it too much. Also I think it can depend on your OS graphical settings. It doesn't work on my laptop, but no windows move smoothly on my laptop so I assume it's an OS setting somewhere.

>>16819766

>>16819852

nvm I just reread what you said. The game does stop playing while you are dragging the window. I don't see how that's a concern though. Nobody expects the game to run while you're moving the window.

>>16819852

>>16819865

>Nobody expects the game to run while you're moving the window.

It's just something that bugs me because it works fine in x11 for example. But it's just one deficiency. I think a much more series flaw in GLUT is that it uses a millisecond timer which is really not precise enough to limit ramerates, doesn't really let you see how much time elapsed if you're not able to hit the target framerate, etc. without checking GLUT_ELAPSED_TIME constantly which again is still in milliseconds so pretty inaccurate for any kind of physics, etc. You can't represent 1/60 FPS on a millisecond timer and actually get 60FPS. You drop 40ms (2.4 frames) each second. Hopefully you at least use QueryPerformanceCounter ,etc. and 64 bit timestamps.

>>16819972

That looks really good anon.

If there's one thing that bugs me in games (actually there are lots of things) it's bad LOD transitions. In fact I will often turn ground-clutter off completely if I can to get away from bad transitions. I'd rather have barren ground than have grass in a radius around me that pops up like the faces in Guess Who.

I doubt anyone will need or care, but I made a small utility library on top of C#/SFML, that I'm using for my other projects

https://bitbucket.org/JackalsoftGames/squish/src/master/src/

Does anyone use any particular outliners for design prior to getting down to it? I also ran across this trying to dig up info on how Diablo II did its perspective mode. Something about it just pops for me unlike more traditional 3D.

https://simonschreibt.de/gat/dont-starve-diablo-parallax-7/

>>16820963

Man, if you want people to use something you've made - you need to put a lot of effort into documentation. Unit tests won't hurt either.

Okay, okay, guys, I got it! You send the bytes to the other guy, then he reads it!

But how you know what the bytes are? Is it the order he sent you? How do I send hundreds of things and know what they are when I receive?

>>16822669

read up on TCP IP, some parts of it will be handled by the OS, others by the engine

You can also rewrite a smaller or simpler version of it in UDP if you think it is overkill

>>16822208

I actually have no idea how to make automated unit tests. I'll usually test most common cases (OOB or null) if I remember to. At the very least, I didn't make the documentation up yet since I always try to do self documenting code and functions, and I move stuff around. I just kinda posted that for whatever

>>16822697

I haven't worked with network code before but you have UDP, which just shits out packets in an undetermined order. TCP over IP is a specific implementation of UDP which guarantees packet order. Typically, UDP (lossy) is used for stuff like video streaming, while TCP is used for game state stuff and interaction (lossless).

If you don't know what you're doing, look for a TCP hook in your engine or language of choice. UDP gives you a lot more control but you basically have to implement it yourself.

>>16822727

>>16822755

I just don't get the concept. Send the package and receive it, but the packet is just data, even if u deserialize it all you have is a bunch of things that could be a vector of position or a string for a name.

>>16822798

Right, so packets usually contain a header, which includes timestamp and IP target etc, and the actual data. The data is whatever series of bytes you want.

Naively, what I would do is make the first byte of your data some kind of identifier or flag. Depending on the length of the data and the flag in the first byte, would determine how you interpret the rest of it.

>>16822801

Oh… I see. I actually can try to work with this now, nice.

>>16822807

For a higher level implementation after you can reliably send/receive byte[], I usually create a abstract Message class that can read/write itself onto/from byte[]. For identification, I use reflection to list all implementations and give each an ID on runtime. For some messages, I give them a negative hardcoded ID so that the client always knows their code, those messages are usually the login/handshaking and the 'MessageList' messages, the latter being the one that tells the client what are the IDs for the other messages. That way I only need to manually manage a couple of IDs and everything else is handled automatically for me.

That, of course, relies on the language supporting Reflection, if your language does not, you can still generate code by reading all source files and making a new class with all the message/codes pairs, but that requires a whole lot of bothersome string manipulation

>>16822830

Do you use some external serialization tool? I've seen people talking about how many bazillion times faster they are, I don't know if it's bait or not.

>>16822807

pull up and learn how to use wireshark, also learn what MTUs are

>>16822847

Well, I've always heard high praises of Google's Protocol Buffers, but never used since. I see little need for that.

Nothing will be faster than straight up manually writing your serialization code individually for each object/message type, except maybe Unity's Entities, since they are organized in memory specifically for ease of sequential access, serializing a part of the memory directly might be faster, but that's such a specific case that might not even be accurate, i'd say writing your own object serialization code will be always faster.

For generic serializers (those that can serialize 'any object'), you will have to search high and low for one that matches your project needs, since they always have one or two caveats each, so find one whose caveats don't affect you

This is an example of a C# serialize/deserialize of a object with a single int and an array of ints of any size

public byte[] Serialize() {
	using (MemoryStream mems = new MemoryStream()) using (System.IO.BinaryWriter sw = new System.IO.BinaryWriter(mems)) {
		sw.Write(someInt);
		sw.Write(someArrayLenght);
		foreach(int val in someArray){		
			sw.Write(val);	
		}
		sw.Flush();
		return mems.ToArray();
	}
}

public void Deserialize(byte[] data) {
	using (MemoryStream mems = new MemoryStream(data)) using (System.IO.BinaryReader sr = new System.IO.BinaryReader(mems)) {
		someInt = sr.ReadInt32();
		int someArrayLenght = sr.ReadInt32();
		someArray = new int[someArrayLenght];
		for(int i = 0; i < someArrayLenght; i++{
			someArray[i] = sr.ReadInt32();
		}
	}
}

>>16823142

God fucking bless you, brother.

>>16818714

>>16818270

>discord

Anyhow keep up the good work.

>What are your specs

i7-6700HQ @2.60GHz

GeForce GTX 1070 (laptop)

>Also are you implementing some sort of dynamic fov limit so that the more distant the flowerbed is the less resources it uses (like, with a much crustier image or even just a gif of the flowerbed moving in the distance)?

see >>16819699

>By the way, kind of irrelevant by this point but I own a bunker for /agdg/. If you lads want it, I can transfer ownership any time.

Not interested in managing anything besides my own schedule

How does one crank up the anti aliasing in godot? Is there even a way?

How good is Godot for developing 3d games?

I've been developing in Unreal for a long time but I would like to switch to another engine that still uses C++ (It's becoming hard to brush aside epic's faults or justify supporting them). I'm not concerned with graphical features, just stability.

>>16823751

I'm making my baby steps in 3d. It's fine so far. And if you know C++ you can fix Godot yourself.

>>16822722

Documentation is usually interior to self documented and clear code. But for libraries it's the other way around. It's impossible to use anything without knowing purpose and features of the library. One can just read the code, but one must have a reason to. You don't have to write huge document like Japanese folks do, but you have to cover use cases at least. Otherwise, it's unusable for someone unfamiliar with what it actually does.

I'm writing it not to discourage you. It's exactly the opposite. I want you to create useful nazi library.

>>16824323

Chicken bath

>>16824323

When is the boxing update?

>>16824592

For you.

>>16823361

>>16823340

I'm fairly sure you had responded me yesterday, did Mark delete your reply or something?

>>16825466

Can you not see >>16823374 somehow? I refreshed the page and it's still there.

>>16825484

>>16825466

>>16823361

>>16823374

I had forgotten to keep the quoting because I usually click on someone's number to open the reply box and then delete the quote

>>16824592

What's all this? Some kind of monstergirl RPG?

>>16825678

Rune Factory meets Breath of Wild with monstergirl waifus

My brother and I have been developing this for almost two years now

>>16814511 (checked)

Doesn't that mean I have to manage all that boring administration task of running a board? It's something I prefer not having to, since I'm not sure when it is too much rule wise for example or autisticaly checking every 10-20 minutes of no new shitpost.

>>16827425

make all the pieces in 1x1x1~ meshes, preferably by combining premade pieces and then merge them all in 16x16x16~ sections so you can frustum occlude them

judging by your mesh, the way you are doing will be pure hell

is it demo day tomorrow?

>>16827504

Tell me more about this frustum occluding please

>>16827543

I don't know how to implement, probably figure out the 6 camera planes and check if the object bounds is within all or colliding with any of them

Unity does for me: https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/OcclusionCulling.html

A question about level design:

I want to make a metroidvania inspired by SOTN, so I want it to be more focused on exploration, and I'm trying to figure out why SOTN and even games like AoS felt right, but I still don't understand, specially with enemy placements without it being too full of enemies or having rooms too big.

I do get that I need a balance with back tracking and thematic enemies for every room or enemies that creates both a challenge and synergy together. But my problem is also the layout of the rooms, the distance, etc. I do have a basic idea on how the layout of the whole game will be, but the small parts, even secrets kind of escape me. And of course, I don't mean to replicate SOTN, if anything, I want to make it better inb4 do it like metroid

What do you think, anons?

>>16827650

I'm using godot

>>16827522

yep

>>16827688

Make a level, ask someone to play it, and then ask them if they liked it or what was wrong with it.

Rinse

Repeat

>>16827712

Metroidvanias don't have levels

>>16827714

Then maybe you shouldn't be asking about level design then.

>>16827714

oh wait you're some other dink. They have areas anyway. And strings of rooms.

>>16827935

Looks alright

>>16827688

You're probably going to end up doing a lot of trial and error. It might be useful to have a written set of features you want to be able to use as tools for building your areas first. Then you can worry about actual design once you have the basic technology working. Otherwise, you might get hung up flipping between "gotta redesign this room" and "gotta implement the thing I want to make this room neat" without feeling like you're getting anywhere. And your first release should be something like a short and unambitious platformer with some secrets so that you can get the movement mechanics feeling right for you and get your level features tested. Then, aim for your second complete game to be the SOTN-like. Once your basic "engine" works and has the features you want, then worry about detailed design. For inspiration later on, go play or watch videos of exploration only games like Knytt or stuff like that. You don't have to get stuck with the exploration-only theme, but it'll make your abstract understanding of what works as exploration in a 2D platformer stronger.

>>16827707

How do the demo days work? Do you just post your game in the thread? I've made some updates to my game and was hoping to post it.

>>16828195

http://8agdg.wikidot.com/demo-days

usually someone on burger time creates the thread and a mod pins it

>>16827935

You do know you could have uploaded a video in less time with higher quality and lower filesize?

>>16828200

Got it. I'll have it ready later today. Thanks, Anon.

>>16827935

noice

I've never used a framework and wanna make a 2d game, how does stuff like monocode compare to c++ using sfml? Will it make my life easier?

>>16828260

>look up monocode

>it's an IDE

It doesn't compare to C++ using sfml in any way, this is like asking how notepad compares to english.

>>16828260

If you're writing a 2D game which doesn't have complex simulations or anything, then you can use pretty much anything that will give you your graphics and sound. I think a lot of devs like to use Pygame, LÖVE or Godot. Honestly most 2D gamedevs will never need C++ to make a good game, but if you want cutting-edge shit then C++ is the only real option. I recommend you make a basic RPG or something using an engine to see if it's for you.

>>16828263

I meant monogame, sorry

>>16828270

Love2d looks nice, and I like Lua so I think I'm gonna give that a try. Thanks anon.

>>16828362

Yes. Godot's GDScript is based on Python's syntax.

So you could run with that.

>>16828363

thank you

>>16828362

is python a good language for(…)

NO

Use Java/C# or Javascript if you want to be a codelet

No language that uses indentation for control flow is a good language for anything at all

>>16828362

You should post in >>>/agdg/, we need the activity. The place has fucking died ever since we got shut down

>>16828508

Javascript and JSON and Javascript is the reason smart buttplugs can now be used to hack your PC.

>>16828550

how stupid can you be

>>16828554

>Javascript and JSON and Javascript

Do they not speak English in Tel Aviv?

>>16828734

I phrased it like this because there is a story to it.

First the attack uses Jewscript to perform a XSS, then attacks the buttplugs JSON parser (also some Javascript shit which then does some value confusion because of the retarded autoconversion and conversion rules), updates it to run the virus and then attacks the PC where it overfows a buffer to put Javascript in the Applications HTML and then has control over the entire PC

So: Javascript and JSON and Javascript

>>16828734

Reason won't work with you LISP-fags anyway, so just fuck off.

>>16828692

Sorry I didn't get your Joke. Not my first language.

>>16828362

>>16828365

I mean, it's not really the tool, it's how you use it that counts. Look at some code examples, check out what works and what doesn't according to experts and come up with your own solution.

AFAIK python handles a lot of stuff under the hood, so on the one hand you don't need to worry about the implementation of a lot of stuff, but on the other hand your game is not gonna be very optimized and will likely use a lot of resources it doesn't need.

>>16829652

>AFAIK python handles a lot of stuff under the hood, so on the one hand you don't need to worry about the implementation of a lot of stuff, but on the other hand your game is not gonna be very optimized and will likely use a lot of resources it doesn't need.

shouldn't someone just use Unity if they are going for that?

>>16829660

>Unity

Stop recommending UNITY EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME, I hate you paid Unity shills. It's just as bad as gamebryo/creation engine. I hate Unity and all games made with it with a passion.

>>16829722

>I hate Unity and all games made with it with a passion

Not anyone else's problem, I'd rather actually help someone than accommodate your opinions

>I hate you paid Unity shills.

I fucking wish, I actually pay them 5$ a month for fucking collab storage space

>>16829730

>I actually pay them 5$

>I'm not a shill, I pay them, you should too

Look at this low effort shilling corporate whore

>>16829736

Please show in the doll where Unity touched you

>>16829722

calm your autism, bro.

>>16829795

Uh

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/QualitySettings.SetQualityLevel.html

I don't use Unity but?

>>16829795

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=change+graphic+settings+during+runtime+unity

>>16829807

>Should expensive changes be applied (Anti-aliasing etc).

I have not seen a single unity game where you can change texture quality or resolution ingame without a restart. You have to change it over a launcher while the game is not running. All Unity games come with that launcher because there's no other way.

Other ancient engines (see Gamebryo) were like that too. It's in the engines structure and you can't just add that without rewriting half the engine.

Fallout 76, Skyrim, Skyrim SE 64x have a launcher for non-postprocessing effect settings and Skyrim 2 will be like that too.

And all Unity games are like that.

>I don't use Unity but?

If you have never used it nor a game made with it then why reply?

>>16829808

I'm not talking about antialiasing nigger.

>>16829854

>I'm not talking about antialiasing nigger

maybe you should buy some books, so you can learn to read

For texture quality specifically: https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/QualitySettings-masterTextureLimit.html

For literally everything else: https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/QualitySettings.html

>>16829854

Pretty sure you can choose to not show that thing at the start, I've played more than one game made with Unity that didn't have it.

Also seems there's a separate thing for setting resolution, which is unrelated to the previous thing I linked

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Screen.SetResolution.html

From just about 5 minutes of searching I'm fairly confident you can change just about any setting Unity has at runtime. There's plenty things to hate Unity for, mostly regarding their method of making money by scamming retards into making shovelware. But the specific complaint you decided to ave is pretty damn stupid.

>>16829887

>Pretty sure you can choose to not show that thing at the start

you actually have to go out of your way to enable it now, as it is deprecated, and it will be removed in 2020.1 I think

>>16829869

How is that "game" even called?

>>16829906

it's my game.

>>16829908

he is deflecting with a 'hur dur not iven game therefore unete bed', we should just filter at this point

>>16829909

I think it's just a case of not lurking long enough

>>16829913

>>16829909

>>16829908

Show me a Unity game that doesn't come with initsettings.exe

You can't because you're lying.

>>16829914

I'll use your shitposting spree as a chance to shill, since you asked.

have fun looking for initsettings.exe https://shodanon.itch.io/beelzebox

Stop being new.

>>16829927

Unity is still a cash grab with their asset market and the engine has worse performance than Unreal or Godot or CryEngine or …

>>16829929

>worse performance than Unreal or Godot or CryEngine

>when none of them have an ECS equivalent

Now you are just in denial.

I really need to ask where Unity touched you

also

Asset: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/store

Store: https://www.cryengine.com/marketplace

Static linking or dynamic linking?

>>16829914

If you're talking about the default launcher that lets you change graphical presets and set keymapping, that's optional.

It's on by default and many devs, especially for early prototypes, don't bother changing it since it's easier than doing your own and only matters anyway when you're finishing your game.

>>16829929

Ah, I see. You're gonna keep moving the goalposts until we arrive at the "just write your own engine!". You're getting clever at this, you should try making videogames one day.

>>16830110

>until we arrive at the "just write your own engine!"

No, we have Godot.

>and only matters anyway when you're finishing your game.

topkek. All finished Unity games I played use it.

>>16830172

>you either don't care, or understand the use cases for each individual engine.

>all engines are created equal

>Gamemaker

I remember that shit as having locked framerate and resolution and limiting you in your choice of tilesize. And I would not recommend anyone to touch it.

>>16830172

>Then you've just outed yourself as not having played many great games made on the Unity engine.

it was pretty obvious from the start, that setting has been disabled for a few released by now and I can't even think of any proper release that used it ever.

>>16830166

people just need to stop falling for cuckchan bait or outright retards

>>16830176

> locked framerate and resolution and limiting you in your choice of tilesize.

if that's not a factor it really doesn't matter

>>16830176

No shit not all engines are created equal. That's why you should have actually read the part of "understand the use cases" instead of glossing over it like a double nigger.

Much like how you don't use Source for an open-world game because it doesn't support content streaming. If you have an issue with locked framerate and otherwise, then use a different engine.

But, for many people new to programming, GameMaker is a good choice because ultimately, that's who the engine is made for. And if your response to that is "Hurr durr, they should learn to use a "real" engine!" then go back to cuckchan with the rest of the nodevs.

>>16830172

>Enginefags need to die. You can really tell who hasn't spent much (if any) time just like making game by how much they care about engine faggotry. Because if you've spent enough time actually making fucking games, you either don't care, or understand the use cases for each individual engine.

I'm an enginefag and absolutely understand why someone wouldn't want to deal with this shit. I'm too deep in it to give up and have far more fun enginedevving than I actually should but it's nothing but strife at times. The knowledge that any and all poor performance is down to you being a talentless shit programmer and not an engine limitation doesn't help either. Leads to constant paranoia and frustration over whether I optimized shit properly.

>I can name reasons to use Unity, Unreal, Godot, Source, Love2D, Multimedia Fusion, GameMaker, etc. over one another depending on someone's needs and skill.

I don't really see a use for Fusion nowadays, Source is too standout in its quirks to really make something overly original with it without fighting against the engine itself constantly, and is Godot still breaking compatibility with itself between each major upgrade?

Love requires Lua which isn't something everyone will want to work with (and as I recall is only rivaled by Java in terms of unpredictable performance), Game Maker's flaws are well known and documented, Unreal is owned by the Chinese government and Unity has pulled weird shady shit in the past with engine tools and modifications (plus the whole matter of fighting against the engine to make something unique comes back here again).

That's not necessarily to dissuade people from using them, those are just some of my personal reasons for making my own.

>>16830176

I think GMS 2 might have fixed that but don't quote me on that.

>>16830184

Pretty much this. Game Maker was some of my first experience with programming. And fuck, four languages later, C++ was still overwhelming as shit to learn. I can't imagine what it would have been like with no programming experience. It also helps that Game Maker has very easily-Googleable questions that directly answer your game's required features. Need a feature? Look it up. In "real" programming languages, you have to plot something out yourself and research the individual functions you need instead of getting a nice complete package. Or "just use Boost lol" as the pajeets on Stack::Overflow would say.

>>16830119

>stop using [something else] and start using [what I use], goddamit

Devs like you won't ever finish anything.

>All finished Unity games I played use it.

So you have shit taste in vidya, anything else you want to share?

Pretty much all Amplitude games (Endless Legend, Endless Space, etc) were made with Unity and don't use that launcher. There's other high profile examples too if you bothered to look.

But since you restrict yourself to shovelware, why are you surprised you only see shit games.

>>16830188

>(and as I recall is only rivaled by Java in terms of unpredictable performance)

You shouldn't compare it to java at all. LuaJIT does just in time compilation whereas Java runs a VM with bytecode.

Obviously Java is faster but it's also precompiled. Comparing apples with bananas.

Lua does not have unpredictable performance. Love2D is not a bad engine for 2D. It's essentially like SDL2 for Lua.

>>16830180

>if that's not a factor it really doesn't matter

>I don't care about quality

>>16830172

>Then you've just outed yourself as not having played many great games made on the Unity engine.

Such as hundreds of pateon porn games, shekel grab shovelware and Yooka-Laylee?

I really like your salt, unityfag. It's like working in a saltmine.

>>16830204

> (Endless Legend, Endless Space, etc)

Never played or even heard of those. I'm trying to remember one other game then Yooka-Laylee that isn't porn trash but I just can't.

Okay I remembered another one.

https://catmic.itch.io/return-of-the-tentacle

Actually a pretty good game but unfinished, left to rot, horrible performance for a point and click adventure game.

>>16830188

>The knowledge that any and all poor performance is down to you being a talentless shit programmer and not an engine limitation doesn't help either.

I remenber my first few months of working with Unity and being very disapointed with the performance I was having with my game.

Then I realized that I was asking for several hundred different lightmaps to be redrawn every frame without any occlusion to speak of.

I also remember trying to make a 3D grid where each space was a custom structure with a decent memory size and being amazed that the whole thing took 1.5 GB of RAM while running.

Then I stopped being worse than pajeets, actually got to learn some tricks and how good programmers actually make some of their stuff, ACTUALLY worked on my code, and what do you know? Shit looks great and runs smooth too. In Unity, of all things.

I also remember considering a change to Godot since that seemed to be more open source and a better deal overall. It might be better in some aspects but in the end, it seemed like it'd be the same amount of work, just in different ways, so something I'd consider for other projects, doesn't justify re-learning an engine and switching mid-project.

That was also roughly when I finally understood that there isn't an engine that makes your game for you, there's always a good chunk of work you're gonna have to do no matter what and the faster you get to it instead of constantly switching tools, the sooner it will be done.

>>16830208

>Never played or even heard of those.

Of course not. You have shit taste, so you obviously wouldn't have heard of it. Stick to your shovelware so you have some argument against [not your engine].

>>16830231

Take a break and play some vidya on your own.

I've found that Autismcraft has recently been good inspiration for me, as several things I've built there on a whim have inspired potential stages that I'll include in my own game.

You should also try switching up which aspect of your game you're working on. Creative shit not going well? Work on the programming.

>>16830210

>Okay I remembered another one.

>https://catmic.itch.io/return-of-the-tentacle

>basing his opinions of the engine on games made for/on/shared at newgrounds-tier content sharing platform

The very fact that so many games actually get good enough to upload there is actually a testament on how fucking good unity is, even the most amateurish of amateurs can get something fun and sometimes even pretty done on it.

It was truly an error not keeping you filtered, what a waste of keyboard lifespam

>>16830231

watch binge anime

>>16830250

>watch binge anime

binge watch anime

>>16830188

>The knowledge that any and all poor performance is down to you being a talentless shit programmer and not an engine limitation doesn't help either. Leads to constant paranoia and frustration over whether I optimized shit properly.

but that's just how it is. it's also not a competition, it's a threshold. all it needs to do is not run like ass. so if it does figure out why, fix it and get the experience along with it.

and that doesn't even cover gameplay where the engine has hardly any effect.

>Unity has pulled weird shady shit in the past with engine tools and modifications (plus the whole matter of fighting against the engine to make something unique comes back here again).

like? just curious

>>16830252

>binge watch anime

anime watch binge

>>16830208

<I don't care about quality

>my gamemaker game needs 4k tilemaps

>basing quality on resolution and framerate

neck yourself you retarded faggot, have my last (you)