/v/ - Video Games

>ただいま

That translates to tadaima right? I've just started learning Hiragana.

>>16780427

>Today, once again, good luck with work.

>>16780427

What is this game? Not like I'll ever get to play it, but I'm still interested in it.

>>16780431

I think you mean "is pronounced tadaima", which yes it is. It translates to something like "I'm home" for when you return home.

>>16780580

>I think you mean "is pronounced tadaima"

Yeah, that's what I meant, sorry.

>>16780592

Chinese people don't make cool anime.

>>16780592

there is no worthwhile videogames that are chinese only, therefore chinese learning is not /v/

convince the board otherwise and you might get your thread

>>16780560

牧場物語 再会のミネラルタウン or Story of Seasons: Friends of Mineral Town

>>16780592

What kind of subhuman would want to learn Chinese?

>>16780592

Because they don't make anything of value. It's sad, but that's the truth. Call us when they start making good vidya. And I mean actually good, not the kind of flashy crap that Koreans make.

>>16780602

>But China is the world's largest video game market and is home to the biggest game company there is!

Yet this has absolutely nothing to do with making good games. Are you retarded?

Name 5 worthwhile Chinese only games or fuck off

>>16780602

china just rips everything off from everyone else. fuck china. they're the asian russia you know.

In regards to >>16773681 from the previous thread asking about the position of counters in a sentence, I don't think there is one rule that must always be followed.

Taking this for example: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/imabi/imabi_beginners1.html#countersi counters show up in various positions. With how flexible Japanese sentence structure is I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't matter too much.

>>16780580

It literally translates to "just now".

tada = just

ima = now

That is what Japanese people say when they just get home, not "I'm home". Changing it to "I'm home" is localization bullshit.

>get into manga and anime

nah don't need to learn, it's already translated

>get into vidya

nah don't need to learn

>start seeing untranslated h manga and gemus

i have to wait how long?

>faggy translator agenda bullshit

what the fuck man

>learn of linguistnegro youtuber

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>16780703

The sooner you start learning, the better. Things will only get worse.

>>16780698

That's not localization bullshit, that's just how it's used. You can't just go full-on literal with everything, you need to convey the message that the original language does. Can't imagine you'd call it localization bullshit if in a somewhat similar fashion somebody didn't translate "goodbye" as "god be with you" in a JP>Eng translation. It's a contraction used as a simple greeting, only in the case of ただいま（帰りました） the non-contracted form is actually the message people intend to convey.

>>16780712

>帰

What does this kanji mean?

>>16780431

>>16780580

transliterates*

>>16780592

The Chinese are a burden to videogames not a contributor, and Taiwan is too small to make a difference either way. Also, 95% of Chinese FLE is CCP propaganda and bugmen/wumao can get fucked.

>>16780602

kill yourself wumao. The myth of the Chinese market share is btfo.

>>16780673

There isn't one rule that must always be followed there are several patterns that each have different pragmatic and even semantic meanings.

I'll restate my question perhaps more clearly. Counter phrases can be used as nominals, adnominals, or adverbials. As abdominals, there are two structures that aren't in question

>[counterP]の[noun][part]

>[noun][counterP][part]

Some sources also list an adnominal construction of the form

>[noun][part][counterP]

but it isn't actually clear that the counter phrase here is adnominal, because in examples of this type the overall sentence is almost always the same as if the counter phrase were being used adverbially. So, is it actually the case that this isn't an actual adnominal case but just the adverbial one, or is there evidence that this is a valid adnominal construction for counter phrases.

The pdf I posted with my first question had some examples about why it's important to know if the counter phrase is adverbial or adnominal, but potentially writing confusing sentences with unclear or incorrect structure is enough for me.

>>16780698

it's a fixed lexicalized expression with it's own semantic meaning, which can be translated as "I'm home". Giving a literal translation of its etymology is not only not useful to anyone except maybe a historical linguist but also incorrect from a technical linguistic perspective.

>>16780713

I don't know what it means on its own, but it's part of 帰る which is a verb that means "to return", as in "to return home". o-kaeri-masu!

>>16780599

Thanks. It looks like it's only for switch, so well, whatever.

>>16780603

I go forward, name 5 worthwhile AAA games made in the last 5 years. Smaller companies, mostly in Nipland is the only reason why do I give still a damn about vidya. Anything in >>16780602 is a garbage, maybe except Bandai Namco.

>>16780762

So "帰りました" is pronounced "o kaeri mashita"?

>>16780794

There's no "o" in that

>>16780602

yeah but thats just coz tencent owns all the game companies, they don't make anything.

>>16780427

>you can learn japanese

それは俺も思いです。

>>16780794

Learn how to use a JP-EN dictionary so you can look up things, it will help a lot. https://jisho.org is a pretty common one.

>>16781365

They're suspended for whatever reason, just select them all and unsuspend to have them come up. I mostly made my own cards and the amount would depend on what I was reading and how many new words I came across as well as how lazy or ambitious I was about making the cards. In the beginning I aimed to keep up a pace of 7-12 vocabulary cards, 5 kanji & 5 grammar. Barely add anything nowadays. Might be wrong, but I don't think a whole lot of people do grammar cards. Thought it was a great way to learn conjugation, personally.

>>16781365

They're suspended. Select them and Ctrl-J to unsuspend.

>>16781407

The other anon beat me to it. I still hate how sometimes it doesn't update threads for 10 minutes.

Also, I don't have any grammar cards.

>>16781403

>Might be wrong, but I don't think a whole lot of people do grammar cards.

That's because they are pointless. Grammar is something you learn through context, not through memorization.

>>16781413

I mostly agree. My grammar cards were by and large just sentence cards that probably slowed me down more than anything. Cloze delete for drilling stuff like the basic uses of particles and as said conjugation into my beginner head repeatedly each day was still nice in the meantime while I built up my understanding to where I could start to do the most basic of reading with minimal comfort though. Anything beyond that I probably wouldn't repeat if I could go back.

>got an exam on Monday

>so much to study, but can't possibly remember everything

God, there's so much that goes into understanding and using a new language. There's so many different ways to write verbs, so many nouns to remember, grammar, and then kanji thrown on top of it all.

Every time I think I have something down, I run into something I thought learned but completely forgot how to do. Feels like I'm running in circles sometimes.

>>16781413

Quite retarded logic. There are lots of phrases and figures of speech which context alone will not teach you. That goes for every language. The idea of context doesnt sound right anyways, cause you’d need to translate the sentence first, and you will not translate it right if grammar is incorrect or up to a simple ‘guess’. For instance, the difference between hearsay and what is perceived can lead to very different interpretations.

>>16780733

But that's wrong. The literal meaning is "just now" or "right now". It's used in many contexts besides the greeting where it has exactly that meaning.

>>16780712

What this anon explained is actually what it says in the Japanese dictionaries.

In which case it should translate as something like, "I have just now returned", not "I'm home". Translating it to "I'm home" is overstepping and going the extra yard to deliberately erase the Japanese culture from the original message. It's as arbitrary as changing sushi to hamburgers, or localizing 頂きます as "rub a dub dub thanks for he grub". (lit: "(I) humbly receive").

>>16780712

Actually, in Dragon Quest games, whenever you leave a church, the priest sends you off with "神のご加護が有らん事を" which means something to the effect of "May God protect you". That's not too far off in tone from "good bye", and retains the religious flare that's present accurately reflecting the huge influence of Christianity on Anglo culture. Again, to erase that influence from the text just to give people something that's more familiar to them would be a case of localization, not translation. You are changing the message to suit the audience, rather than conveying the message with all of its baggage.

>>16781573

There is no obvious semantic, synchronic reason that the phrase 「ただ・いま」 should have any connection to returning home. The fact that the expression 「ただいま」 has taken on a semantic meaning entirely disconnected from the obvious meaning of the composition of its elements is a hallmark of the process of fossilization and lexicalization, meaning that it is now an independent lexical item that cannot be treated as the joinder of its parts from a rigorous theoretical perspective. You can argue that there is some aspect of the semantics of ただいま that is not captured by "I'm home" but that argument would be based on usage data. Insisting that the interjection ただいま means "right now" because it derives from the adverb meaning right now is no more correct than insisting that "welcome" be translated as 「よくきた」. It's like insisting that every word must be translated kanji-by-kanji otherwise you're 'erasing Japanese culture'.

Hey, is it a good idea to do a language exchange with someone on the internet? I'm a native French speaker so I don't think it would be hard to find a Ouiaboo to speak with.

>>16781777

Why wouldn't it be a good idea?

>>16781814

Time constraints, different mentalities things like that. I was wondering if anyone had done it before.

>>16781573

>Translating it to "I'm home" is overstepping and going the extra yard to deliberately erase the Japanese culture from the original message. It's as arbitrary as changing sushi to hamburgers, or localizing 頂きます as "rub a dub dub thanks for he grub". (lit: "(I) humbly receive").

It is localization, an unfortunate but necessary part of making a translation not read like awkward shit, but it's most certainly not the sort of "localization" bullshit that needlessly removes all traces of culture from the original work and I think it's pretty ridiculous to compare something which aims to convey the original message but in a way natural for the target language to something which actively aims to change that message; which does aim to erase that culture. As great as it would be to preserve every little detail of the language it's just not really practical, or even possible I would say. For technical explanations pertaining to culture and language as literal as possible is good, but if someone wants the genuine 100% authentic real deal experience when playing their favorite video game, they just gotta learn the language. No real way around it.

>>16781573

>whenever you leave a church, the priest sends you off with "神のご加護が有らん事を"

That's all well and good, a priest would actually say God bless, God be with you, or what have you. That's what they would say if that was the message they intended to convey. Still wouldn't be appropriate when the original English was a simple goodbye. The majority people probably don't even know goodbye has such an origin let alone intend such a message when using it.

>>16780698

If you translate set phrases or idioms, you're usually gonna get gibberish. This goes for any language. e.g. Ci vediamo -> See you, NOT "Us we see".

>It literally translates to "just now"

That's a separate use unrelated to the greeting.

>>16780599

>learn Chinese

To give Chinese credit, I'd say mostly 1/2 readings per character, lack of conjugations, phonetic and semantic components in characters to aid memory (nip kun-yomi have nothing in that department afaik), and having significantly less homophones makes it significantly easier to pick up. However, mutually unintelligible dialects are a complete deal breaker. I mean, even spics can understand each other perfectly despite marked differences across dialects (for example, depending on the country, the word for bus is camión, bus, autobús, bondi, colectivo, micro, ómnibus, autocar, etc., but if you say autobús or bus everyone will understand you dialect notwithstanding). The same definitely can't be said for chinkspeak.

>>16781413

>Grammar is something you learn through context

I beg to differ. Grammar is something you can't expect to assimilate passively by listening or reading; you need to go out of your way to properly learn it (especially within a reasonable timeframe). Context helps you understand the subtleties behind an expression, but you need to understand the big picture before that. Though I do agree that flashcards are a poor fit for grammar.

>>16781628

I thought ただいま was short for ただいま帰りました, i.e. I just came back. And even if it doesn't mean that exactly, it's looks close enough to me.

>>16782057

>Grammar is something you can't expect to assimilate passively by listening or reading; you need to go out of your way to properly learn it

It's not like I'm saying to never consult grammar guides to help you with the stuff you don't understand. I'm just saying that practice is a better way to learn grammar than rote memorization.

Do you bother learning the kanji forms of words that are usually written in kana but commonly seen in kanji as well? Like 良い, 綺麗, 馬鹿, 冗談, 為(as in ため), 怪我, 流石, 何処, 嘘, etc. Asking because I keep running into them and the idea of not acquiring words because they're not on some arbitrary list seems absolutely retarded to me.

>>16784647

Of course. It's not like you have a choice, since you will run into those all the time while reading.

>>16784647

You will see these, especially in literature or written entertainment in general.

>>16784647

>commonly seen

That alone should be motivating enough to learn them.

>the idea of not acquiring words because they're not on some arbitrary list seems absolutely retarded to me

It is.

>>16784647

Usually the only time I would consider otherwise is if the source material gave furigana for it (excluding anything that always does) and if one or both of the kanji weren't in either the jouyou or jinmei lists. You'll still see even stuff like that without furigana sometimes, but not enough to really worry about it. Even then I'll put the kanji on an Anki card, but don't worry about necessarily remembering them.

I keep mishearing 空想 as クソ. Send help.

>>16785181

Japanese Fantasy IS kuso, though. That's one reason why the West owns a monopoly on well-made rougelikes.

>>16784647

I don't think I've ever seen 何処, I didn't even know that had kanji. The rest I see in kanji almost as often as not, some more. 怪我 and 冗談 are more often written in kanji I think

>>16785189

I see it pop up occasionally, same with 此処, enough that they were easy to remember.

>>16785208

何故 is another one you will see in kanji form sometimes.

I probably missed this general most of all when the site went down.

I’ve finally completed the core 6k deck. Couldn’t have done it without you guys keeping these threads alive.

>>16784816

Personally my rule is, if natives use it often then I write it down (with context if applicable), regardless of the jouyou table or what some website says, and based on the replies above it seems to be the prevailing stance.

>>16785181

>空想

But those are long vowels. Besides, I associate クソ with isekai and rice, because 米+異=糞

>>16785335

Great going anon. How long did it take? How many cards a day? Did you review every day or did you take some days off? What do you plan to do next?

>>16785836

I know, but for some reason these particular long vowels are a problem.

>>16785853

there's a lot of things about English in this case that might be interfering with your perception of vowel length here. English /u/ is always relatively long and both /oʊ/ and /ɔ/ (both of the sounds close to Japanese /o(V)/) are relatively long. Also, before fortis consonants in English, like /s/ (and /k/), all vowels are shorter than they otherwise would be. So in this case there might be more interference than usual when trying to interpret vowel length.

>>16785948

But I'm not an English native :^)

>>16785966

What is your native language and what other languages do you speak? There might still be something similar going on.

>>16785995

German native, fluent English (obviously) and bits of ruski blyat.

>>16786040

The obvious problem with German is that tense /uː/ will always be either long or short depending on stress placement, so if your brain is subconsciously interpreting stress (not unlikely because your most comfortable languages are both stress timed with stress accent) that might be interfering. Also, an o-sound in a coda without a following consonant in German will always be a long, tense /oː/ rather than short, lax /ɔ/. You might be having trouble hearing it as long because you're used to all o-sounds being that long at the end of a word.

My advice in the short term would be that the /u/ in クソ will usually be devoiced (like in desu/~masu), so listen for that instead. In the long run I'd try to find more vowel-length minimal pairs and finding a good way to practice them.

>>16786089

Thanks, armchair philologist

自閉症児の巣を発見しました

I can't believe how much Japanese society could relate with Americans.

https://invidio.us/watch?v=ks4oZqT62gs

Here's a video about a young Nip woman riding the cock carousel.

既婚者好きなメス豚の話だよ

I'm surprised no one mentioned Bret Mayer's website (the first westerner to pass kanken 1級). It's an excellent resource. It has a fuckton of things:

>list of characters grouped by phonetic components(音符)

>fuckhueg list of different characters with same kun reading (異字同訓) like 熱い and 暑い

>lists of ateji (当て字) and jukujikun (熟字訓)

>proverbs (ことわざ) for all levels

>list of made in japan characters (国字)

>lists of 4 character compounds (四字熟語)

Also it has a massive amount of 漢検1級 material, with a comprehensive list of vocabulary(!) and exercises involving kun-yomi (訓読み), jukujikun (熟字語) and difficult readings (難訓), etc.

here's the website https://busensei.com/

He also has a youtube channel with videos covering kanji for kanken levels 10 through 8 (up to 3rd grade level) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCekKfzxgcijjvcpI9HoUGSA/videos?disable_polymer=1

>>16786829

Further proof that 3D is always PD, no matter the country of origin.

>>16787332

People of the mushroom Kingdom, this is your new ruler princess Bowser-Peach speaking! I think you will all enjoy being subjugated under my new rule! Mwahahaha!

This sorta works, what do you think?

>>16787332

I think something like "Guahahaha! Praise me, Mushroom people! This country will be mine!!" might be better. If you want to keep in the name, maybe something like "This country will belong to me, Princess Koopa Peach!" instead would sound okay. Shit like この[name] or [verb][name/pronoun] which is really common in Japanese can be hard to make sound natural in English while still staying close to the original dialog.

>>16786113

Hopefully they already started reading quite a while ago. No sense waiting to long to start putting what you've learned to use.

>>16787335

I know it's just some image that doesn't especially "need" perfection, but for a general translation tip, you need to be wary of adding or changing too much to compensate for what you're having difficult expressing. You leave out the idea of 媚びろ entirely, add too much respect by having her/him referring to them as "people" of a now defunct nation which needs no recognition when the original is more derogative, and you've stated essentially the same thing twice where the original only does once and in a different manner. "Hail before me, you fungi! For this country is now belongs to Princess Koopa-Peach!!" is just kind of the first thing that pops into mind, but it could certainly be better. The hail bit a is maybe a bit liberal but it still keeps in with the situation and adequately expresses 媚びろ, I think.

>>16787332

Why are you fapping to this shit art anon?

>random blogpost

I think I just finished reading my first LN (つきツキ！1)… and it was a hell of a ride. Took about a half year, I collected the words I didn't know (either because I really didn't know or I was just stupid and forgot a word I already knew) into a list, and it ended up with almost 2500 words.

I think I'm going to read some easier manga or something like that for a few weeks before continuing.

>>16787666

This guy pushes body modification+corruption far beyond what others do. It's only 7 pages with little text, but still no translation even though it's been on sadpanda since 2008.

I found these on another board. Is the text Japanese?

Any of you niggers in this thread teach English in Japan? I want out of this shitshow before things devolve into civil war and am thinking about going over there to teach.

>>16788050

You and every other nigger has "gone over to teach", they don't need any more you stupid late bastard.

Sup guys, anyone still learning?

>>16788877

Slowly. Hard to focus due to unemployment anxiety and whatnot.

>>16788963

I can relate, I'm more or less busy with other things as well.

It's a real struggle to keep learning when other things come in your way.

Also that fucking captcha just took me 10 tries.

>>16789115

I've hit 13. It's telling when we you can read moon scribbles but can't solve a damn captcha.

>>16789729

He'd probably take you for a foreign Yakuza pimp.

>>16789729

Once I hit 6-8 hours edging blue balls starts setting in the pain starts to outweigh to gain unfortunately. I actually started playing ero-RPGs mostly as a way to take it easy compared to normal; reading without a dictionary with more focus on fluidity and enjoyment rather than learning and understanding every little thing. Some can be surprisingly good though and having become invested I'll end up spending some time looking things up anyway.

>>16789289

Source?

>>16787332

"Gwahahaha!! Grovel before me, mushrooms! For this land now belongs to me, Princess KoopaPeach!!!"

(hey, don't look at me… the latest upload uses CamelCase like that)

I realize this is very similar to >>16787472 but it's also not a long sentence with a lot of choices.

A lot of times when you want to get your word choice just right, you should be consulting both the kokugo dictionary and the English thesaurus.

The waei dictionary is a handy tool for natural-sounding phrases and common words, but for uncommon words (where it has no citations or even an entry), I would only trust it for the gist of things.

のだ - for (as a light explanation)

のモノとなる - lit. is become a thing of (モノ is meant as an intangible asset rather than as a tangible object 物 or abstract もの) -> now belongs to / is now mine (X no mono is not a strange way to express this, basically). The と rather than に lends it more of a finality instead of a direction and also feels a bit more pompous.

媚びろ - "to behave oneself so as to curry favor" (volitional form). Although we could just as easily say "toady up to", or "flatter", or "fawn on", I think these would sound more comical in English than intended. This statement is supposed to be a power trip. As for the tone of an imperative, we don't really have nearly as many shades of distinction in English, and tempering it down would be inappropriate here anyway.

キノコども - mushroom (as in the Mushroom Kingdom's people), with a plural suffix that in modern usage tends to be looking down upon who it refers to (unless it's a part of a fixed word like 子供). I feel this is reflected well by lower-casing the vocative, turning it into more like name-calling than addressing her subjects properly.

この[name]様 - This is tricky to get right, just like a lot of emphatic mechanisms (-mo, -nado, -koso) or the ways to refer to oneself egoistically (such as using kono- or -sama or both). A lot of times it just has to be lost or else it gets repetitive, though for this sample it is accomplished by having redundancy. Right answers are hard to come by; you have to think about register, tone, setting, 世界観, etc. really hard, basically.

>>16787666

I coom… a lot.

I don't disagree that it'd go in many people's "can't unsee" folders, but my fetishes are in that vicinity (if not quite there) so I've had a decade to get over it.

>>16790442

媚びろ is the command form. Volitional would be 媚びよう, since it's a 上一段 verb.

>>16789946

>playing ero-RPGs mostly as a way to take it easy compared to normal

I didn't start with that intention but it's worked out pretty much the same for me. If I'm reading something "serious" I get super autistic and can't continue unless I'm certain I understand each sentence accurately. When I'm playing eroge, if something doesn't make sense after a little bit of contemplation, I can just throw up my hands and blame it on a typo (which is not uncommon actually) or the writer's bad grammar and move on. Knowing in the back of my head that it's just a クソゲ anyway is somehow liberating.

>>16790022

The artist/dev is Little Quartz. Pretty sure the image was just a little teaser from their blog, probably for their game ハクダクのユ. Their main appeal is anything and everything cum featuring lolis, with a good side helping of exhibitionism and (optional) scat.

>>16790446

Yep, pretty much the case same here. I mean, I didn't spend all this time learning Japanese specifically to read some of this stuff to just half-ass understand it. Often play doujin stuff so I definitely see some typos and misconversions too. Spotted a couple in proper published manga too, but not in any novels thus far.

I learned the hiragana and most of katakana, started WaniKani and I'm almost level 4 there. I also do Bunpro sporadically but I won't dive into grammar deeper until I'm about level 10. I don't actually know what's the best resource for grammar, people criticize Genki a lot.

Also, I think advising Tae Kim to beginners is wrong. He goes into way too many details at early levels and uses kanji and half the time you won't know what the hell is going on in the sentence. I'm under the impression you shouldn't go much beyond topic markers and i/na adjectives unless you have a somewhat decent pool of vocabulary.

>>16791030

The problem with Genki is that in the content of their lessons they prioritize immediate accessibility to the average native English speaker over complete correctness. For some lessons this has little effect, but for many of them it means leaving of important details or even saying things that are factually inaccurate but that approximate how things work enough that you won't run into problems until later on most of the time.

The good thing about Genki is that it's pretty comprehensive and ordered well. Imo it selects the right topics to cover and puts them in the right order, it just doesn't teach them correctly. Genki also has a lot of varied exercises for everything it covers, which is important. Almost all of them can be done alone, even the ones that say they're for a group, and they include both drill-like activities to help with memorizing forms and open-ended questions that require you to use what you've learned naturally (the reading/writing sections in particular get to the point where every chapter asks you to read or compose a multi-paragraph story). It's also nice that most of them include audio exercises; if you're studying alone it can be hard to find a way to practice listening in pieces instead of having you just jump in to shows that will be above your reading level for a while.

I typically recommend Genki to people who either have the time and knowledge to fact check the content of the grammar lessons for themselves using other sources or people who insist on having one source to use for everything and don't care about finding out in the middle of a conversation that something they learned is wrong.

I think the Abroad in Japan guy once said he had a friend who only competed Genki I & II before moving to Japan and was able to carry on fairly long conversations with native speakers, but I haven't heard many other cases like that.

>>16791030

Tae Kim puts the necessary vocabulary at the beginning of every lesson, so even if you don't really get the words you at least have a reference right there for a basic translation of it. Also, you're going to be dealing with not knowing words for a long time, that's just part of learning, but getting in the grammar early on will help since it will make reading much easier and make you able to understand the general idea of what is happening even without knowing all the words. Knowing the grammar makes it far easier to even know what individual words are since Japanese doesn't use spaces. Kim is far from perfect but I think it's one of the better early resources for getting started. There are plenty of other options, and I don't think any one source is necessarily the best so you'll likely end up using several. I definitely wouldn't suggest putting it off too long thinking that you'd need some higher level of vocab first.

>>16791030

Sooner you learn grammar the better; as the sooner you can actually use the language, the better. As long as you understand the words in your example sentences you're probably good to go. A lot of people put off trying consume much media until they hit a certain vocabulary threshold because it can be frustrating to have to refer to a dictionary so often, but actual experience is an unparalleled way to learn vocabulary so I wouldn't recommend taking it too far.

It sounds like your Bunpro thing is just providing other resources for reference in the case that you need further, alternative explanation, but other resources might not structure themselves in the same manner and so contain extraneous information. If you didn't understand their lesson, then check out the relevant material from other resources. Not a bad habit to check multiple resources in general for a different take. Some click with some people better than others for other people.

>>16792737

First I thought she's fingering herself with the end of her tail, but then I realized it's the start of her tail, not the end. Is this some new fetish to replace a futa's dick with a tail or what?

>>16793030

She's just using her tail to cover her pussy. That's not the start either, it goes around her right leg, then through her crotch, and then up over her back.

>>16793050

What did you expect of mark?

>>16793032

Oh. But why cover it if she wants to have sex other than make the image children friendly? I'll just go with she's just stimulating herself, that fits better

>>16793056

It's basic seduction, the image is supposed to tease, simultaneously exposing and covering the good bits.

>>16798388

Okay now please post the original text please.

>>16798698

中出しの喜び

>>16798698

>Okay now please post the original text please.

おっきい子とちっちゃい子

ちんちんはくそでかいけどタマが小さい子と、ちんちんはちっちゃいけどタマはくそでかい子

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/78369045

>>16802686

>Doesn't even mention video games.

Come on, I've only stumbled my way through 5 JRPGs so far

>>16802686

忘れるな、最悪の悪習はオナニーだ。

>>16807443

6 months for 3 games?

>>16807449

Depends on how much I play in a day. We are talking about playing in Japanese of course, so depending on how frustrating the translation is vs how interesting the game is I could play as little as an hour or as much as 12.

>>16807458

The games tend to run roughly 100 hours each, so 2 months would be about 2-3 hours per day.

>>16807449

Probably still faster than I would do it. Anyway, if anyone has any info on how difficult are these games without any prior knowledge, shoot it.

>>16807605

When you say "without prior knowledge", you mean you are going in without studying japanese at all, or if its your first major reading material? Atelier Rorona was essentially my first major reading material and I would highly recommend it for that purpose.

Most of the main characters in the atelier games are young, so they use simpler words and fewer kanji most of the time (that does not mean only simple words and no kanji, not even close). The major dialog (everything except talking to random nameless street NPCs) is fully voiced (Ryza is not). The games newer than Atelier Meruru, including Rorona Plus, allow you to scroll back the dialog and replay voices, which is immensely helpful when you get lost during a conversation.

For the most part, progressing the game doesn't actually require you to understand the dialog either. Obviously you want to understand as much of it as possible, that's the point of doing this and most of the enjoyment of the game as well, but if you miss something you won't get stuck, and there are no wrong choices to make with regards to story progression.

Another plus is that the items are all visible. In many games, the item and equipment menus are pure text and you have to translate EVERYTHING in order to figure out what anything is or does. Translation is definitely important here, but you can get through most of the gameplay part of the game by looking at the pictures and only translating bits and pieces of the items.

Plus of course there are currently 11 mainline games available on PC. The Arland (4), Dusk (3) Mysterious (3) and Ryza (1) games are all good, except maybe Ryza because it has limited voice acting (voice acting really helps, especially for beginning).

>>16807646

Oh, I should probably warn you that the opening cutscene is usually unpausable, but everything else of interest is usually pausable. Don't worry if you can't translate the first couple minutes of shit because it moves to fast. Just play that part in English for now

Speaking of English, as far as I know all of these games allow you to switch between English and Japanese on the same save. If you really cannot make heads or tails of something, you can switch languages and hope NISA or whatever garbage company did the translation didn't do too terrible a job. Usually the language switching is handled outside the game, either in the launcher or through steam (or through the steam_emu.ini if you pirated the game).

>>16807646

Oh, sorry, without prior knowledge I meant about the series and not about Japanese (I've already read a LN and a bunch of simpler manga. Games, not really, I somehow end up ditching them pretty quickly, maybe I lack patience or whatever. Even though I have a vita with it's infinite library of nip shit. So yeah, I suck at nip, but not completely).

Maybe I'll take a look at it, when I get my backlog back to a relatively sane condition. The usual question that every franchise with 350 mainline and 485456 spinoffs warrant, where to start?

>>16807839

Atelier series is organized into completely independent trilogies. Each one is completely separate from the others, much like Final Fantasy, usually in a completely different world/setting though they do have some recurring themes and characters, much like FF games almost always have Chocobos and a dude named Cid.

Where to start, I would say Rorona Plus. It's the first game of the Arland series, which is the oldest series currently available on PC. You could just as easily start with Ayesha (Dusk) or Sophie (Mysterious), or even Ryza (currently in progress, no trilogy name or sequels yet).

>>16808276

The preferred or more correct form can differ for specific individual words but the vast majority of the time the okurigana will be used. You can usually rely on your IME to pick the more common use for you. Handwritten, it wouldn't hurt to fall back on the okurigana if you're unsure.

>>16808002

I've downloaded it to my vita, I'll do something with it sometime…

>>16808002

I've downloaded it to my vita, I'll do something with it sometime…

If I could post on this shit site

>>16808002

I've downloaded it to my vita, I'll do something with it sometime…

If I could post on this shit site

>>16810381

>On Vita

Shouldn't you be playing it on PC, where you can use things like Kanjitomo to massively speed up your understanding of the text? If you are trying to play Japanese games on Vita then it's no wonder why you always give up.

>>16810590

>Kanjitomo

Isn't that a piece of crap? I mean when I tried it could hardly recognize anything and it was simply faster to draw the kanji by hand.

Also tried to play a VN with a text hooker. It copied every line straight into my browser where I could just use rikaisama on it, you couldn't get any easier than that, right? Nope. Even thought someone recommended it as a very easy VN.

>>16810610

Kanjitomo works pretty well for the main dialog of these games. There are a couple spots in the text boxes (usually one of the corners) it simply can't read because they overlap with some boarder, and it doesn't necessarily pick up every single kanji, but it can read at least 95% of kanji if they appear in a clean spot.

It's a bit more iffy on the menus, but just being able to read almost all the dialog is a huge help compared to drawing every character. On the other hand if you CAN stick with drawn lookups, it discourages you from relying on lookups quite so much and you end up learning characters a little faster. If that comes at the expense of making very little progress in the game and eventually giving up, I don't know that it's worth it.

>>16810624

The thing is, if I start a game, I want to finish it, and not deal with looking up unknown words/kanji or figuring out obscure references. Somewhy with LN/manga it doesn't happen and I can read it more peacefully, even if at a snail's pace since my vocabulary is shit.

I don't know what can I do with it, other than trying to learn to not care about words I don't understand.

>>16810830

>and not deal with looking up unknown words/kanji or figuring out obscure references

Well too bad, that's part of learning.

>>16810830

Whatever if you want to stick to LNs for reading I guess that's fine. I like to have voice acting. It's easier and gives a better understanding of how the words sound, which is useful for when I eventually want to be able to understand spoken without text. On the other hand I'm probably not learning the text as well, so there's pros and cons.

>>16810904

What I did was mainly use unvoiced text like ero manga and older games to learn to read, then I used unsubbed anime to learn to listen.

>>16810862

Yes, call me a 6 year old in the brain, but when I play a game, the game looks more interesting than learning.

>>16810904

And my listening skills are non-existent, probably as a consequence of almost only consuming written shit.

>>16810914

>unsubbed anime

I don't think I'll ever be able to understand that, unless I somehow reincarnate as a nip.

>>16811464

>I don't think I'll ever be able to understand that

You will as long as you keep practicing. I didn't understand it at first either, but I just kept watching and eventually I did.

>>16811464

I was mostly the same, only reading. One thing I did to get myself started out listening was have the Japanese subs available but off until there was something I couldn't make out. That way I wouldn't default to the subs unnecessarily and being able to know what was said when unable to figure it out myself helped slowly acclimate myself to it. Another thing that might make things a bit easier on you is watching an unsubbed anime of something you've read the original of. Much easier to make out words you actually know, although naturally that makes for less material to learn new things from.

man it's so fucking hard when you hate pretty much everything that gets recommended by retards here and everywhere else on normalfag internet. The best proof of the is that this shitty manga yotsuba, completely and utterly worthless for learning even among manga (the worst medium for learning japanese), gets recommended by incessantly by idiots who just are dumb in the head and do know what constitutes good learning material. People like this are everything wrong with jap learning, are the reason I've had a shit time in the beginning and should just kill themselves

I'm just browsing the ln list on itazuraneko and don't know what to fucking choose, it all looks like shit, and I've only read 2 so far and they're also shit. I need something to be fun so that I can actually concentrate

>>16811886

Can you be a little more specific with what kind of shit you want to read? I don't know shit for manga but I might be able to recommend a game or two.

>>16811839

>Redrawing

The background for the text?

Most redrawing I do is solely using the clone tool.

It doesn't have to be everything either, just the areas not covered by the new text.

>>16812024

Well, it's already up. Feel free to tell me how much I suck.

https://exhentai.org/g/1554871/7b638d4086/

>>16812046

>description

Considering the description, it's ok.

I'm not going to read that shit though.

>>16812046

I feel like it would be preferable to just solid color background the text. Not worth seeing three pixels of color in between the overlapped english and japanese characters, especially when it reduces readability to such a degree. Not sure what the general etiquitte is but people can't expect translators to also be artists.

http://www.kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

勧める

「総員、臨戦態勢へ移行！」

It's just me or the「へ」usage here is kind of weird? Could I switch it to 「に」with no change in meaning and still being gramatically correct?

>>16812133

>Finnish

Ah…what a beautiful language…

>>16812185

Or to just live in Finland, doesn't seem like too terrible of a place compared to the rest of Europe

>>16812133

That is my #2 after Nip but there's just not enough resources to learn it and it seems almost as hard as Japanese with less payoff because there is no Finnish-language media that anyone cares about.

Finnish like Japanese in that it has fucked up agglutinative shit and is a language isolate, but at least learning Kanji will get you in the door to Chinese. And also lets me read shitty manga.

>>16812568

Well, in my mind, what >>16812546 did maintains the most of the original comic while being readable. I am against doing huge edits to a comic unless absolutely necessary.

>>16812224

>And also lets me read shitty manga.

Does Finland have any comics?

>>16812224

>at least learning Kanji will get you in the door to Chinese

Are you saying that is some kind of benefit? Chinese is one of the worst languages you could want to learn.

What do you do when you get so angry over the Anki reviews that your head wants to explode?

>>16812675

>>16812674

>>16812678

>asians are incapable of acting like humans

Who knew?

>>16812674

I have but you still can't post images on a fucking imageboard from tor

>>16812687

>>16812693

That's already posted in this thread though

>>16780784

>>16812573

It maintains image data at the cost of making the text look as smooth and naturally added as an axe wound.

>>16813882

*The bit I was deliberately slapdash with was the top-left

(Top-right though is "fuck it" territory unless I have to.)

>>16813882

Holy shit that art style is ugly.

>>16815117

Perhaps 属? Looks to at least have the same bottom part.

>>16815156

>>16815117

I didn't realize it was the same kanji you had posted could you perhaps show the source/context?

>>16815117

>>16815161

I had already found the correct kanji and was retarded.

>>>/animu/117338

>>16815163

So it was in fact 属, just fucked up because fonts are stupid? I'm more interested in the kanji than whether or not you solved your problem.

>>16815168

Yes it was. The font was just stupid. That seems to be a bigger issue in regards finding the right kanji than anything else. It's a sound effect for an anchor attack, so it's meaning in conjunction with the other kanji 金属 likely has something to do with that. Searching it on startpage images brings up metals, so it likely means "metal sound". Jisho says they mean "metal" together. On their own, Jisho says 属 means "generic" and 金 means "gold" or "metal". So 金属 likely means "generic metal" with "generic metal sound" implied by that fact it's an audio file.

>>16815210

>That is clearly 属.

It's close, but the font of the error message clrealy removes the top part of the bottom radical(?) and fuses the part just below the top part of the bottom radical with the top radical. I know nothing of Japanese, but that much can easily change the meaning and definitely change the number of strokes.

>>16815223

That is just how fonts work. You eventually learn to recognize even severely distorted kanji like 憂鬱.

>>16815285

Neither of those are even slightly distorted in my browser default font. The pictured 属is missing all of stroke 4 and most of stroke 10.

>>16815344

Also stroke 6 is merged into stroke 2.

>>16815581

What level is N1 exactly?

it should mean he's fluent in japanese. *

What a brainfart jesus

>>16815595

>>16815581

Alright, that great! So what are you going to do with that fluency now?

>>16815595

I don't think even N1 is quite up to the level of fluency. I still have a long way to go before that.

>>16815599

I want to try translating games eventually.

>>16815607

Fluency doesn't mean you read/speak like a native, although I understand what you mean. What have you mainly done to learn japanese? Have you used anki for vocabulary or did you just get assblasted for months with vocabulary through games and manga?

I started playing Atelier Ayesha, but since my vocabulary is extremely limited I've been having a hard time, do you think it's worth to play it even if I'm just having an abstract notion of what is going on?

>>16815621

I used Anki for years before even playing any games. Maybe not the best method though.

>do you think it's worth to play it even if I'm just having an abstract notion of what is going on?

Yeah, that's just how it's going to be at first, trudging through games with a dictionary by your side. Don't worry if you don't understand everything.

>Genki I and II (2nd Edition)

>980 Mo

Why ?

>>16780830

Chigau. You would say

>ore mo sou omou

Sorry, I'm on my laptop and I don't have my japanese keyboard installed on here so you'll have to put up with my romaji.

>>16784647

most of those words are usually written in Kanji unless it's some girl trying to look cute. For every word out there that has a Kanji, always assume you will encounter the Kanji at some point.

>>16815590

>>16815595

JLPT only tests your ability to understand Japanese, not your ability to use it. In theory you could pass it having never had a proper conversation in Japanese. At higher-scoring N1 I'd guess you could probably understand most standard modern Japanese, as long as you know the vocabulary or have a dictionary by your side. You should have a 5 digit vocabulary recognition level to be able to pass it I would think though.

>>16815809

Add it to your .xinitrc or .Xclients or whatever your DE/OS uses.

>>16815809

Create an entry in the Task Scheduler Library.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21218346/run-batch-file-on-start-up

Be sure to define the trigger properly (after the login, NOT on system start).

>>16813863

who is this semen demon?

>>16815809

You can make any program open on startup by adding a shortcut to the "startup" folder of the start menu.

I know I'm going to get my ass torn here for being an EOP or whatever, but I have a suggestion to help weaponise based /v/ autism for a good cause.

Fixing Treehouse shit in Breath of the Wild.

There's 850 lines in the QuestMsg folder for the Adventure Log. In the English version they're terse descriptions of the goals and achievements so far. In the Japanese, Korean and Russian versions though, they're diary entries clearly written in first person, BY LINK, describing his travels and feelings about it all.

You're aware ResetEra and Kotaku are trying to push for a chara generator Link with 1000 ambiguous genders and pronouns and voice acting and zero personality because representation and i can't empathy with different fictional character. NoA here took a Link with a personality and removed all of it, to make realizing that easier.

I think redoing them is a realistic goal. If there's interest, I can dump the script here and take care of the technical aspects to restore the original adventure log at least. If there's other missing in translation content you know of, I'd be more than happy to help restore it as well.

Thanks.

>>16815621

Vita or PC? I've tried a couple of different games on Vita but it's just too much trouble to do every single look up manually.

>>16816455

I remember making this exact same joke with a friend that was learning alongside me.

>>16816214

I haven't bought a Nintendo product in years, and I will continue to do so.

>>16816770

>>16816214

Godspeed

>>16816969

Just change the order. You don't have to translate each speech bubble separately, translate the sentence as a whole and then separate it into three parts.

>>16816979

What do you think of: "You say you want to become a real man? Well then, young master, please give it to me, right here, in my pussy."

>>16816214

where can we get the raw japanese text for that?

>>16817030

>please give it to me

Instead of just "it" maybe specify "your virgin dick" to be more accurate. Also that doujin hits all my fetishes, good taste

>>16817120

>Fakku

All the more reason. Fuck Fakku and fuck Jewcob.

>>16815581

Good shit anon did you only start studying because of the /v/ threads?

>>16817184

1. Practice, particularly in reading/translating not anki.

2. Depends on what you want to use Japanese for. If you are like me and your primary purpose is to play video games, then the best thing you can translate is video games. Practice with the same sorts of things you want to be good at. If you actually want to deal with Japanese people in some way then what you are looking for is something that's as close as possible to how people really talk. Short of actually talking to people directly the best thing you can probably find is especially unscripted live action TV. Finding written form materials for this is really difficult.

3. I can't say I'm very far with that myself, but you want to have combo text+voice(+visual context) whenever possible. You improve your language ability in general a great deal faster when you have both in combination. That might not be enough to learn to listen, it's probably an 80/20 rule where the last 20% has to be done the hard way with voice only.

>>16817210

Video games are pretty much always going to be better than mangas for reading practice, even if you specifically want to learn japanese to read manga alone. The content is pretty similar, but they give you more forms of context and reinforcement (ie voice acting, animation, and interaction).

Also they tend to be more motivating. A manga you can easily translate a single line and put it down if you want. A video game gives you strong incentive to keep going at least long enough to get to a save point, which means translating an entire set of dialog scenes at one time. It's frustrating, but it helps.

>>16817184

> kanji

didn't bother learning kanji (themselves) until I had finished Genki I; I found it more useful to focus my time on vocabulary.

>reading comprehension

Get the app Tango Risto. It aggregates Japanese news sources (most importantly NHK News Easy) but it has built in parsing and definitions. It's great because it lets you practice sentence structure and grammar without being slowed down by vocabulary at all; it really helped my ability to parse complex Japanese sentences early on.

>listening comprehension

Doing the listening exercises in Genki (you can find them in the link in the OP) helped me a bit. Having people to speak and listen to in Japanese also helped me, but I found that through a club at my college so I don't know how easy that will be for you. If you have anime set in modern Japan with relatively normal people that you've already seen and want to rewatch, you can try rewatching it with no subtitles (English or Japanese), but it requires your full attention to actually get anything out of it and vocabulary gaps will be s big problem for a long time.

>>16817184

Reading and Anki review keep them fresh in mind. I like to write them out for review myself, but that might be too much of a time sink for some who've no interest in learning to handwrite.

I would shelve translating until your reading comprehension is half decent. First, it will really slow your Japanese learning speed down simply because it's a lot time spent not actively on the Japanese language. Second, reading comprehension is the most important skill to being a good translator. Learn from some of everything. Manga is good for conversational Japanese, news for more formal, novels for narrative and so on. It's good to diversify.

I started with JP subs as a bit of a crutch. It might help you get started but I think it's largely a matter of experience. Practice as much as you can. I listen to Japanese music, radio shows, drama cds, or whatever at work all day, every day and I'm still not where I'd like to be. I also often watch some youtube stuff for experience with less scripted audio that I usually gravitate towards.

>>16817218

If you can keep up with other mediums for long periods of time, games aren't necessarily great by virtue of not getting much practice in during gameplay. On the other hand those short breaks from reading to grind always helped me keep at it longer. Depends on the person and mood.

>>16817375

Most of the games I play have very little gameplay time between dialog, so it's hardly an issue. And I agree with the breaks helping to keep at it longer, although when there's literally 1 combat (not even a boss) in between dialog scenes it can have the opposite effect. A bigger issue is that some games can be so cheap on the visuals that you would actually get more visual context out of a manga. I'm also really really big on voiced dialog. It makes things SO much easier to understand, and the faster and more you understand the more content you can expose yourself to and the faster you can learn.

I'm fairly sure that when he says "translating" he uses it the way I typically use it, which is synonymous with "reading". I doubt he's trying to do something like >>16817120 and actually create readable translations of something, he's just trying to understand it in his own head, which at this stage means using mostly english meanings, hence "translating".

How do I download the pronunciation audio from Jisho to put them in my mining deck ?

Finished Dragon Star Varnir, staring on Atelier Ayesha now. That makes 5 completed JRPGs since I started playing them in Japanese last January. This May will be two years since I started learning Japanese. Definitely feeling more confident with the basic dialog by now.

I'm also not counting my attempt at Bloodstained that went poorly, or starting on Octopath Traveller or Demon Gaze (vita) that didn't actually manage to get anywhere. So it's not JUST 5 games in a year, just 5 completed long ones.

>>16817517

You can always press F12, click inspect element, then on the Play link in jisho, then copy the url from the <audio> tag just before it, but it's a bit of a hassle. It should be easy to turn it into a userscript/extension whatever if you only need a few audio files.

For a more bulk based approach, I've downloaded this thing a few years before. I'm not sure whether this is the same as on jisho or not, but it gets the job done.

http://www.mediafire.com/?elwwugewenb2quj

http://www.mediafire.com/?587hb2tizlkdlzh

http://www.mediafire.com/?fmcp2piefhalhvj

http://www.mediafire.com/?8v5ydonlncl8310

http://www.mediafire.com/?ekvarp66dv9b02t

http://www.mediafire.com/?3shrnho22tacskd

http://www.mediafire.com/?soh04cpxoef7k40

http://www.mediafire.com/?yjse5j1uxvy48y5

http://www.mediafire.com/?d3md9ou7sd6jde4

http://www.mediafire.com/?pjjm6xupim60qm9

http://www.mediafire.com/?2hyazvyn92bltne

http://www.mediafire.com/?mxd1dxpxku2lxuq

http://www.mediafire.com/?b43pslw6uya2mc4

>>16817683

Thank you, found it.

What are those audio files though ? A compilation of the most used words ? Are the files named by their kanji spelling ?

>>16817747

I couldn't find the original source, only the download links in my jdownloader history, but as far as I know it's from japanesepod, at it contains a shitloads of words. 128275 mp3 files named "<reading> - <kanji>.mp3"

>>16817594

Congrats anon, pretty soon you'll have played so many games in Nip that you won't even remember them all.

>>16817383

There was a lot of variance for me with the games I play. Voiced dialog is a definite plus. Often times I would end up skipping it though once I was past the beginner's stage because I could read faster than a lot of characters would talk and get impatient. But yes, I'm all for bulk of exposure.

Just throwing it out there in case because some people do try to dive right into translation as a form of language practice. I just think it's unfortunate to see well-intended but crappy beginner translators put out low-quality translations for so long rather than get their priorities in order and work on their language skills. Some are just in it for e-peen and don't care, but others just don't realize.

>>16818281

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about a "crappy beginner translator" offering up an occasional deliberately rough translation when something is requested? Not something I spend a lot of time on but sometimes I'll see someone post a page or two of something asking for translation.

Considering what I use to practice my comprehension (I don't say reading because I still use Google as a check) I might know what ぐちゅぐちゅ is but is there some kind of dictionary of Japanese onomatopoeias?

>>16818812

Would be helpful, I run into that problem a lot and with what I use, it could be fucking anything.

>>16818812

There is this: http://sura-sura.com/archives/1576.html

>>16818378

Not him, but as long as there are no errors (grammatical (most important), misspellings, misplaced vocabulary, misunderstood keywords (e.g. (mis)identifying and/or (mis)translating powers and techniques, names of plot coupons, catchphrases)), and it sounds natural (i.e. like actual, normal English, no "all according to keikaku," no 'This(この) Joe" ), it would be okay.

The long and short of it is no one likes reading crap that looks like Star War the Third Gathers: Backstroke of the West (the memetic awful English->Chinese->English translation of Star Wars ep. III). Or butchered, localized, censored crap a la 4Kids, or the Big Green dub of DBZ.

To me, building a solid foundation first is a more sensible approach. Translation is too time consuming for starting out, and too error-prone (stock phrases, sayings, nuances, adages, references will send you for a loop). Translation often requires you to understand things thoroughly, and any language's difficulty curve is schizophrenic (easy, then you come across a seldom used idiom, then it becomes easy again).

You'll spend more time hunting down obscure phrases or words and fussing over the most appropriate wording for something than actually learning. Moreover, you'll hit hard walls when you come across vocab/phrases that have no equivalents in English, requiring you to throw away what's written and come up with something on the spot. Often there are conventions, but then you'll be playing "find the magic phrase/word."

I might play some sol-fa-soft lolige for Japanese reading.

Kids usually speak in an easy manner.

EarthBound and Pokémon (at least the GB) ones are all hiragana, but all hiragana is annoying to read.

>>16818979

>but all hiragana is annoying to read

Well then don't play a game that features kids, because their dialog usually uses less kanji.

>>16818983

>Well then don't play a game that features kids, because their dialog usually uses less kanji.

That was aimed towards others if they want a starting point, not myself.

I personally need Kanji to break up the words, esp. since the Japanese don't use spaces.

Decided to check out kanjitomo again, download the new version (2019-12-15), and now with compton it just locks up my whole display until I manually kill kanjitomo from a terminal/ssh. And without a compositing manager, kanjitomo draws a filled solid rectangle around the characters, completely obscuring it. Do anybody have an old version around, from the website it looks like I can only download the latest.

Btw it's still horrible, it can't even read the characters from its own screenshot on the website.

>>16819030

Hmm, maybe the culprit is java and not kanjitomo, with openjdk-11 it seems like to work. Now it only chokes on tiling window managers. Solution: set up a rule to set windows with "kanjitomo-reader-Launcher" as floating.

>>16818378

Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Some people will edit the most obvious ESL machine translated shit into images so it can be good to really make it clear that it's not really apt for that if in doubt.

>>16818979

You'll get a decent chunk of narration too in most VNs. Sol-fa probably is on the easier side I would guess, but other lolige might not be so easy if they get flowery with descriptions.

>>16818979

I have no idea what sol-fa-soft lolige means. I can guess the general idea (lolige is obvious, sol could be slice of life? no idea on the fa-soft)

Anyway that's pretty much why I play Atelier as much as possible. The main characters are usually girls in their early teens and hit a good balance between kids who speak only in hiragana and adults who are overly kanji-dense. There are usually some adult secondary characters who tend towards the latter, but that's probably good for exposure even if I usually can't understand what the fuck they are saying.

>>16819465

The problem is he's using some meme OS like Linux.

>>16815168

>>16815156

>>16815117

There are variants of kanji (異体字 with various levels of toleration for them; outright 略字 are pretty frowned upon for print/electronic purposes, but they do show up, and it's kind of a continuum with a lot of what used to be abbreviations forming the standardized 新字体 forms today).

Compare the pixel monster to a couple of specimens found in a 17th century print: http://www.chise.org/est/view/character/repi.hng-kbk=0x2EFF (note that these are more like variations on 屬, the 旧字体 form, one of which even happens to match 属)

Though, yes probably most experienced readers (especially ones who can read the squiggly shit) would just go "what other kanji even looks like that? nothing. plus it forms a normal word." in a split second.

>>16816969

When I'm doing lyrics on videos, I am often looking to match the order of lyrical content, poetic features, beats, etc. over being strict about sentences and clauses and grammatical stuff. Has to match the action and avoid being clunky so people can read it on time without confusion. If possible.

You have to be highly "creative" when you do this, because (of course) destroying or adding to the fundamental meaning is exactly what you are trying not to do. Fortunately, the JE direction gives you a lot of nearly invisible, really basic words to play around with to help emulate Japanese's freer ordering.

A similar principle applies to translating in general. For example, prose that relies on using just the right word ordering to keep you hooked all the way through, revealing stuff only at the end, or perhaps even added after the verb. It may meander in one sentence far longer than is considered acceptable style in today's English. There are two translations of the opening paragraph of one Murakami novel out there where one guy (who only did a sample) made it sound very clipped but also action-packed and compelling, and the other (official version) went more sentence by sentence which makes the guy sound like a pretentious cock. Neither really captures that the guy sounds pretty normal and relatable in that passage (IMO), he's just trying to cook spaghetti while jamming to music but the phone had to ruin it.

As for what you can do here to keep the general order of ideas, "stick [yadda] into [badda]… if you would please." Kudasaimase is a really charming word (at least I think so) and a multisyllabic one at that, so it's usually fine to fill it out; it sets the tone.

>>16819465

I tried it on https://files.catbox.moe/qg5jm6.png and it didn't do dogshit. In the end I realized that the ocr itself (not the gui) is mostly open-source, so I just downloaded it from github, changed a few parameters and now it works. FYI: TEXT_COLOR_BLACK_LEVEL/TEXT_COLOR_WHITE_LEVEL in config.txt apparently doesn't do dogshit, as the code always uses the built-in default 140 threshold. These parameters seem to work fine for that image:

       public float unsharpAmount = 1;
       public int unsharpRadius = 1;
       public int unsharpThreshold = 1;
       public int pixelRGBThreshold = 210;

Alternatively, tesseract seems to work fine if I pipe the image through a "convert -threshold 73%", if I pipe it to my browser with rikaisama, it might be a viable alternative.

>>16819519

Enjoy your spyware botnet.

>>16819461

sol-la-soft is a VN developer that does exclusively loli VNs and CG sets I doubt there's any meaning in the name itself.

https://www.dlsite.com/ecchi-eng/circle/profile/=/maker_id/RG01700.html

*sol-fa-soft

>>16819837

Thanks, never heard of them and failed at googling.

>>16819759

You're right, that definitely doesn't work. You wouldn't happen to know how to apply that to kanjitomo would you?

>>16819853

Clone kanjitomo-ocr from github: https://github.com/sakarika/kanjitomo-ocr

Fix the build system, edit src/net/kanjitomo/util/Parameters.java as you like (or just apply my patch from here: https://files.catbox.moe/0dkre7.diff)

Recompile it with "ant"

Copy deploy/KanjiTomoOCR.jar to kanjitomo's lib directory.

>>16780587

FUCK YOU

>>16819837

>>16819461

Solfa refers to the do-re-mi-so-fa thing people do for teaching and practicing singing. Soft means software, naturally.

>>16819879

In the end I gave up kanjitomo, and switched to tesseract instead. I have a small script like this

#! /bin/sh
import -silent "$@" miff:- | \
    convert miff:- -threshold 74% pbm:- | \
    tesseract -l jpn - - --oem 0 --psm 6 --dpi 600  | tr -d '[:space:]' | \
    xclip -i -selection clipboard
xdotool search --name 'Textarea online' key ctrl+y KP_Enter

I can bind it to a key (I actually bound it to three keys, by specifying arguments something like "-window root -crop 123x456+789+121" I can instantly capture the vn dialog area without selecting it with the mouse every time), and if I press it it takes a screenshot, sends it through tesseract ocr, and copies the result into my browser which has textarea.online open, where I can use rikaisama to look up the words. It's not as nice as kanjitomo, but it works bretty gud.

>>16817184

1. I did lazy Kanji at first, where I look at the kanji and go to an English meaning. I stopped after a while and got the rest of my Kanji experience from reading. Now that I know what they mean from seeing them in my immersion, I am going back and doing cards where I write the kanji for words written in kana.

2. For reading comprehension, just read. Do not translate. You want to understand the Japanese, not translate to English and then understand the English. You can translate for other people later, once you understand Japanese well.

3. Listening. Constant listening. Just listening, don't try reading while you listen. You will focus on the reading and mostly ignore the listening, or vice-versa. I mostly listen to audio from anime that I have watched when I am not doing anything else. I don't recommend music.

>>16817883

Continue.

>>16821308

Summarizing: They didn't think about what would happen after. They couldn't think, it was like they had heat stroke. They were fed up with her. They just wanted to fuck.

Something like that, but speaking in first person.

>>16821401

>ブラを着けずに薄い服を着たりして=enjoys wearing revealing clothes

Uh-huh…

>>16821443

Shit, how the hell did that happen.

>>16824890

Not quite. Something like

>alright Rika, a lady has to get naked during a picnic

>but since you're a naughty girl who masturbates like a slave outside

>you need to dress more like a slave

Turns out Atelier Ayesha has a pretty terrible font for Kanjitomo to recognize. Still better than nothing, but not nearly as useful as with the other games. I highly recommend starting with Rorona if you are getting into them for practice. In any case I've mostly been going through without really trying to understand every single word. I don't know if this is going to end up better or worse for my learning than before where I ultimately ended up typing nearly everything in to somewhere, usually google and/or Jisho, to get some idea of what was going on.

>>16830214

It's fine for me, as long as the text isn't highlighted and has a strong colour difference from the background it works okay. I'm only using Kanjitomo when I'm stuck and I don't know what to do next, I'm mostly trying to just go with the flow and trying to guess what they are talking about and what the game wants me to do next. It has been fun so far

>>16830214

Whether for better or worse, it's still progress made. It's good to take things easy sometimes. Plus it doesn't hurt to get some practice trying to understand unknown things from the context alone. Won't always have a dictionary in hand when you need it.

>>16830645

Yeah you will often see all katakana or hiragana and katakana swapped for robotic/monotone voices.

>>16830645

It's my understanding that most native readers also find text like that to be an incredible pain in the ass, TBF. Also, they're fairly undisciplined in how they use spaces here, sometimes attaching particles to the words, sometimes separating them.

Although this faux archaism can be daunting without a frame of reference (to say nothing of reference material), I think you'll get a pretty good return on investment if you can get the hang of it. This sort of speech is used in entertainment a lot. Fateshit does it gotdamn constantly.

>>16830762

>This sort of speech is used in entertainment a lot. Fateshit does it gotdamn constantly.

I hope and assume you mean the pseudo-archaic shit (which in english would be equivalent to thine/thou etc) and not the katakana. I've seen all katakana a couple of times before but never anything this conversational.

>>16831404

>text parser

Probably wouldn't be too bad if not for the fact that there would be no IME. I guess you would need a Japanese keyboard to type the characters directly.

>>16831404

the classic Phantasy Star games also used katakana exclusively. This was to make them feel alien to the player

the PS2 remakes of 1 and 2 have options for whether you want katakana only or regular japanese text

>>16831540

PS4 has kanji thankfully.

>>16831404

Yeah, old computers usually didn't support more than 256 characters, and if you also need english characters, you can't really have more than one script (traditionally ASCII used half of the 256 range, Unicode now has 96 characters in the katakana block, go figure). Actually it was even worse, notice how the dakuten is actually a separate character, fucking up the spacing of the whole text. The half-width katakana in the second screenshot is pure evil in my opinion, but if you don't have full-width support it's the best you can do. Also they can fit more text this way. Fun fact, on recipes you can still spot similar text.

Too bad, that second image really piques my curiosity, but I don't think I'd survive that katakana soup with 2x3 pixel characters. On the other hand, I'd probably learn katakana properly after all these years.

>>16831514

It should be enough to get stickers, if you don't want to learn the layout. Or maybe there's an intelligent emulator out there that can do it.

>>16831514

Since I'm a fucking idiot who does the stupidest things possible when he's too tired/bored to do anything useful, I decided to try that alpha game, and it actually has a (very barebones) IME (either that or the xm8 emulator). You can type a to get a ｱ, t and a to get ﾀ, d and a to get ﾀﾞ (fun fact you need to press backspace twice to delete it as the first only deletes the dakuten) and the likes. Of course no preedit, prediction, auto correction and shit, but hey, at least you don't need a kana keyboard.

Now only if I wouldn't have to copy every word into jisho just to figure out that I already know it if it's written normally…

>>16832564

Interesting, maybe I should try one of those parser games sometime. If it's anything like old English text adventures I can't imagine the inputs being any more complicated than something like 北へ行く or ドアを開ける.

>>16832612

It looks even simpler that that, it's "noun verb" like "ウィンドウ　見る" or just noun to move, like "うしろ".

>>16817594

Well that was fast. I just finished Atelier Ayesha. Roughly 40 hours on the game (37 on my final save, maybe 45-50 counting reloading and shit that doesn't track on the save) in 13 days. I went through the text kind of fast figuring I'd need to NG+ to finish everything anyway, so I'd have a second chance to review the details. Still might be a good idea from a learning perspective, but I managed to get the complete ending first time through (with enough extra time to do the superbosses if I really wanted to) so there's really nothing left to see or do that I'd need a second playthrough for, save fail endings that I don't ever do.

>>16833370

Given the age I assume no/minimal voiceacting? I'll make a note to get to it eventually but for now I'm sticking with the combo voice/text games where possible.

>>16833378

It does have voice acting for all the main scenes I think.

>>16830983

>I hope and assume you mean the pseudo-archaic shit (which in english would be equivalent to thine/thou etc) and not the katakana.

Precisely. Now, the katakana being a form of archaism (e.g. to evoke prewar-style printing / kana orthography as in Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, or perhaps evoking an even less common aesthetic like founding-era myth or the usual convention for transliterating Sengoku Jesuit rōmaji) is an entirely different phenomenon.

Unlike English thou-mode, however, today's Japanese writing tends to use a greater diversity of ways to old it up.

>>16831404

>There may be some variance from person to person, but I don't think your average native would really struggle much with it. Some might not read it as fluidly as normal text but nevertheless. On at least couple occasions I've seen a streamer or something breeze through similar brief passages of only katakana or only hiragana.

TBF that is true and difficulty is a literally subjective (by which I mean relative to a person, not "an opinion"). Japanese's writing system is a naturally evolved ad hoc thing; trying to describe it in absolute terms is a fruitless endeavor.

If you ever bother to pick up speed with shorthand or some other artificial writing system made for English (or perhaps medieval manuscripts with sigla), you'll probably find that for all the initial struggle, you do eventually get to a good clip as you learn common words so well you can skip them, etc. It's more about understanding how English informs the structure of the writing.

It's the same with reading Japanese written differently from normal. For all-kana, you still have particles to guide your phrasing, and despite a lack of rules, people largely don't space in the middle of a word (excepting intentional emphases like the dots in your second pic).

>>16817883

Holy fucking shit anon, I've been waiting for years for somebody to translate more of this artist's works. Seriously, translate everything he has, dude.

Maybe I should start with moonrunes too.

>>16835544

What artist? I get no results on saucenao.

>>16835583

Yamamoto Kanponi is the name. There is at least two or three of his works translated, a very short one that is mostly softcore, and the rest are doujinshi based on that Raita's series about lewd magical girls.

>>16812674

>>16812582

石室诗士施氏，嗜狮，誓食十狮。

氏时时适市视狮。

十时，适十狮适市。

是时，适施氏适市。

氏视是十狮，恃矢势，使是十狮逝世。

氏拾是十狮尸，适石室。

石室湿，氏使侍拭石室。

石室拭，氏始试食是十狮。

食时，始识是十狮尸，实十石狮尸。

试释是事。

Shí shì shī shì Shī Shì, shì shī, shì shí shí shī.

Shì shí shí shì shì shì shī.

Shí shí, shì shí shī shì shì.

Shì shí, shì Shī Shì shì shì.

Shì shì shì shí shī, shì shǐ shì, shǐ shì shí shī shì shì.

Shì shí shì shí shī shī, shì shí shì.

Shí shì shī, Shì shǐ shì shì shí shì.

Shí shì shì, Shì shǐ shì shí shì shí shī.

Shí shí, shǐ shí shì shí shī shī, shí shí shí shī shī.

Shì shì shì shì.

In a stone den, a poet called Shi Shi, who was a lion addict, and had resolved to eat ten lions.

He often went to the market to look for lions.

At ten o’clock, ten lions had just arrived at the market.

At that time, Shi had just arrived at the market.

He saw those ten lions, and using his trusty arrows, caused the ten lions to die.

He brought the corpses of the ten lions to the stone den.

The stone den was damp. He asked his servants to wipe it.

After the stone den was wiped, he tried to eat those ten lions.

When he ate, he realized that these ten lions were in fact ten stone lion corpses.

<chinese

>>16835646

Nice art, but unfortunately he doesn't seem to have released much.

核（かく）、刻（こく）、咳（がい）

褐（かつ）、渇（かつ）、・・・、掲（けい！！）

顕（けん）、湿（しつ）

能力（のう）、熊（ゆう）、罷（ひ）、態（たい）

このような手掛かりのない漢字が好きな人いますか？

>>16835649

that blows those fucking buffaloes out of the water

>>16836327

Yeah I don't think songs are good learning material.

>>16836695

Not at first anyway. Songs don't always use the language like you would in normal conversation. Stuff like pronunciation and word choice/order can be very different from usual, and if you don't know those things going in you might get some wrong ideas about what is proper. Music is a great way to enjoy the language and learn new things after you've gotten to a decent level and can tell what they are doing in songs, but before that it's probably best just to listen if you want without looking at it as a study device.

>>16837319

The last bubble? It's 調教, like training/breaking in some(one/thing) for a purpose.

>>16837331

I guess that makes sense. On the next page she talks about how, if she were a sex slave, how even if she finds it uncomfortable taking it in the ass, it would be her duty to handle as many as three guys simultaneously.

>>16837319

Here's another kanji dictionary resource for you: http://www.edrdg.org/cgi-bin/wwwjdic/wwwjdic?1C

Had the phrase you were looking for. It's actually surprisingly modern in some ways despite looking like it was from 1998.

>>16837432

gj anon

what font is that I made a translation once for a friend and I couldnt find the font everyone seems to be using.

>>16837480

Wurmics Bravo, I've used anime ace before, however, Wurmics Bravo is much narrower which fits better in the tall and narrow manga text bubbles. I switched to it after seeing it mentioned in the comments here.