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NG2, standard or Sigma, is shit. Anyone who told you otherwise is a fucking liar.

NG1 was great, Black was a masterpiece. This is just a fucking turd of a game. I don't know how they fucked it up that badly.

It went from ridiculously hard but fair in the first (3D) game to stun-locking you to death with exploding ninja dogs in the second. And the enemy variety and bosses were just straight up worse.

Sonya was OK, but she was no Rachel.

I think I might even like Razor's Edge more than this piece of shit.

>>16720998

>Just keep pulling the right trigger to reset the camera to the hero's backside

>Framerates despite being flawed work

>Use other weapons such as the tonfas

>Get better at it instead of whining

>Go suck on your mom's titties if you cannot handle it after Tyrone and Jamarcus finish up

The thing about Ninja Gaiden 2 is that in terms of difficulty once you hit path of the mentor, Yes it is absolutely unfair, the odds are stacked ridiculously against you.

But once you get past that hurdle and learn how to properly utilize invincibility frames. it is immensely satisfying to Master the game that was quite clearly kicking your ass before.

The difficultly spike between path of the Warrior and the start of Path of the Mentor is giant, but once I learned what Mentor wanted from me and how to play properly, then Path of the Master Ninja honestly wasn't that bad.

NG2 is a better experience than NG1, more streamlined, better action, faster paced, but there are certainly areas where NG2 failed. NG1 is certainly guilty of having many flaws as well.

>awful camera

NG2 camera was just as good as NG1, except you couldn't rotate camera while charging UT.

>enemies spam projectiles

This we can agree on. The enemies overcompensated with ranged attacks to counter Ryu's close combat dominance, and was not balanced well

>constant frame rate dips

The only time this really was an issue was during the staircase fight, at worse can be seen as a trade off for the more frantic gameplay resulting from more enemies at once

>bad graphics even for its time

I disagree, the demon cave before Elizabet fight was breathtaking

>unbalanced difficulty

NG1 guilty of this

>horribly cheap moments

NG1 very very guilty of this, the bosses are invincible half the time

It's feels like a little like comparing Resident Evil 4 to RE:make, they're both excellent games but they do different things despite being under the same roof. Although the difference is not quite as stark, NG1 & NG2 are both actions games, whereas RE4 is more action orientated with barely a hint of horror versus REmake is horror orientated with hints of action.

The most defining differences between the two is that NG2 does its best to be both streamlined and over the top (sometimes at the expense of balance). NG2 pushing the player to constantly be dodging from pursuit of many enemies while abusing invincibility frames to create openings, whereas NG1 is slower with fewer enemies and more of a "keep blocking or rolling while you wait for an opening".

The "arenas" in each game certainly highlight this difference. Most of the combat in NG1 felt like traveling from room-to-room, with a enemies to be defeated once in each room. Many times there would be locked doors or puzzles before you could get to the next room, and this is how the gameplay was paced. NG2 would have long "corridors" of areas that weren't divided by doors, it was quicker to get from enemy nest to enemy nest.

NG1 forced you to play defensively

NG2 forced you to play offensively, while still always dodging & running around

NG2 is more streamlined for offensive fast paced gameplay, from the way your health would regen a some after battle, the way you didn't have to pause the game to switch weapons or use items.

NG2 focused on being more flashy, trying to always push you to use those Ultimate Techniques (for both visual flare and need for invincibility frames). This did make Ryu a powerhouse in close combat, which I feel is why the game's arenas had to open up (fewer tight corridor or small room fights because enemies close to Ryu die too quick). To compensate for Ryu's close quarters dominance the game gave enemies a stronger range attacks (projectile spam) but didn't give Ryu increased ranged attacks/defense/counters to properly balance it out.

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forgot to mention, but those last two gifs are very good indications of what I think the differences were between those games. It's Ryu versus the big foot soldier of each game.

When it came to the biggest footsoldier in NG1 it'd probably be the Berserker, in NG2 it's probably those walking tank things. In NG1 the Berseker was perhaps the most dangerous non-boss enemy, and to defeat it you would have to block/dodge and patiently wait for an opening that was a fraction of a second, whittling away at its health each opening.

For NG2 the big foot soldier was the walking 2-legged tank mutant things. Yes, you had to wait for openings, but once it was there you could combo it with more than just a single attack (sometimes even juggle it). Which meant that the game didn't force you to play so defensively, you could play quite offensively.

Believe me, there's bullshit in both games, especially the bosses. In NG1 tons of times bosses just seem invincible except during certain windows that happen after certain attacks, even if you hit them with a clean hit outside these windows you'll just hear a "ping" blocking sound. Many times you have to resort to just dodging & waiting for an opening to do a hard attack counter, and hope that hard attack connects. NG2 had its share of bosses being cheap, often they would dodge or block everything, but there were more windows so you could play more offensively.

There was projectile spam in both games, but it felt more fair in NG1 (more time to get out of the way), whearas in NG2 in later difficuities there were tons more and less visual cues to be able to dodge. As a result, much of NG2 is balancing how to survive these situations by abusing the invicibiity frames from throws, killing blows, and of course spamming UT's (which requires kill management so there's always essence in the air).

Those tests of valors in each game would become bullshit difficulty in both games, in each games hardest difficulty you'd be fighting 100 enemies in each test. The tests of valor feel more cheap/unbalanced from the projectile spam in NG2 though. There was one that was especially bad, full of those walking tanks with 4-bay missile pods on each of those arms. For many of those tests of valor on the highest difficulty, it seemed the best strategy was to maim all enemies so they couldn't spam projectiles (or forcing it to slowly crawl around) then pick off the weakest enemy type 1 at a time (killing its respawn) until you won. The stadium fight in NG1 sigma was the worst though, you could never play offensively and the 3 berserkers would always use their ranged attack (ground explosion magic), meaning you'd eventually lose a battle of attrition because you could never go on the offense. By comparison, NG1 tests of valor were much easier, but sometimes you could cheese them by going to a safe spot and spamming UT.

NG1 also had several bad things that nobody ever brings up, because nobody misses them.

Back tracking

Keys for doors

Puzzles

Swimming sections

Those zombies which would take like 16 UT's with the lunar staff to kill

Respawning enemies in areas you've already been to as you travel through town

The ghost fish are a toss up, at first they seem like evil cheap enemies but once you figure out how to kill them, they're excellent for farming.