d77213 No.16699239
>Sega released the Master System in 1985
>Sega discontinued the Dreamcast and moved to being a third party dev in January 2001
You are now aware that Sega has been a third party dev longer than it has been making home consoles. They're never going back.
06e878 No.16699241
>>16699239
I wasn't my fault. I bought a Dreamcast at launch.
220634 No.16699249
0fe0f3 No.16699253
>Sega released their first arcade machine in 1946
>Sega's first console was released in 1985
>Sega's last console was released in 2001
<Sega spent more time as an arcade manufactuer than as a console manufactuer or a third-party developer
0f35d2 No.16699254
Sega is dogshit and always has been. What is sad is that Microsoft is equally shit but somehow still making consoles.
d77213 No.16699255
>>16699253
Isn't Sega still making arcade hardware?
e81103 No.16699256
>>16699254
It isn't 2012 anymore, faggot. Sony is the one that needs to die with their censorship.
399b2c No.16699273
>>16699253
Their last console was just an arcade box. I think it's fair to say arcade it their niche and has always been that way.
5b41f3 No.16699281
>>16699239
Why they abandoned all their genesis/arcade IPs like Bare Knuckle, Outrun, Fantasy Zone, Golden Axe, Ristar and others?
Why there are no new Virtua Fighter, Crazy Taxi or Sega GT?
Fucking sonic, puyo and yakuza all they have nowadays.
efb4bb No.16699285
The Master System wasn't even their first console you underage spic.
6f9046 No.16699290
First party Genesis consoles are still made in Brazil
dc6d7a No.16699292
>>16699281
they still have phantasy star but that's about it
dc6d7a No.16699293
>>16699285
That's true, he forgot the SG-1000.
6f9046 No.16699294
>>16699281
To be fair, if you look at their recent history, if you were to make a game using one of their IPs they'd likely license it if it wasn't shit
fb9400 No.16699308
>They're never going back.
Alright. Why would I care? Consoles are dogshit regardless of who makes them. I already have a PC, I don't need to drop a few hundred dollars on a new, proprietary PC just to run a few extra games.
5b41f3 No.16699323
>>16699292
To be honest with you Online is not same as original Phantasy Star. Its like saying that FF XIV or XI are mainline final fantasy.
e59a38 No.16699337
How are they even doing as a company nowadays. It seems like they are just kinda there.
81b3f6 No.16699342
>>16699308
The thing is or should be that consoles were always a modified PC to do specific things instead of being super PC. Take the PS3, for example, it's still hard to emulate because of the it's structure.
Either way, kill yourself.
fb9400 No.16699356
>>16699342
>Take the PS3, for example, it's still hard to emulate because of the it's structure.
What, in practical terms, does it actually do that a conventional PC can't though? A PC that meets all the specs and has a controller peripheral is functionally identical, is it not? You're not really making a case for why consoles aren't a waste of money.
81b3f6 No.16699407
>>16699356
Practically, yes, technically no. Also, when you emulate, you emulate THE WHOLE structure, which is why some PCs struggle to emulate 7th gen console games even when, if the game is ported natively, runs perfectly.
The whole point of consoles is to do things PCs can't, specially at the moment of their release. When it comes to handhelds, I sure as hell rather a handhell than a a laptop for a lot of reasons.
0fe0f3 No.16699425
>>16699407
>The whole point of consoles is to do things PCs can't
I may be mistaken, but isn't the point of a game console is to play games? Also, the 8th gen systems was the first console generation where all the players had lower system specs than your typical PC.
220634 No.16699525
>>16699407
>when you emulate, you emulate THE WHOLE structure,
Emulators pick and choose which parts are to be emulated more fully than others. It's why all emulation is basically a series of compromises meant to run on contemporary systems with numerous hacks and shortcuts. The idea is generally to make it harder to notice but in practice direct comparison always yields original hardware as the winner.
That said, most people have no reason to be interested in what their systems, console or pc, are running. They want something that works and even those pc gamers out there who want to piece together their machines don't know anything about the hardware beyond what the driver suite shows them. They also don't care. At the end of the day what matters is games. You're either going to find games that interest you on a platform or not. If not why even care about it beyond petty feuding and propaganda?
0c1262 No.16699628
The Dreamcast 2 meme needs to die already. Sega already proved that they're as jewish as the big 3 after they forced the Sonic Mania devs to put (((Denuvo))) in their games. Even if we did get a console from them then it'd be the same shit as all the other modern consoles but with a different coat of paint.
9bc299 No.16699630
>>16699628
Wasn't that specifically Sega of Europe that forced that change?
169b74 No.16699662
>>16699630
I think in particular it was PC gamers who forced that
773aaf No.16699711
>>16699662
Mark is a nintendrone so you're wrong.
0c1262 No.16699746
a7363b No.16699769
>>16699281
Same reason why Nintendo won't make another F-Zero or Custom Robo - there's no money in it.
934ceb No.16699923
>>16699769
>Same reason why Nintendo won't make another F-Zero
http://archive.fo/whP6o
<Why F-Zero? What do you want that we haven’t done before?
f3a4ee No.16699929
>>16699281
>Bare Knuckle
>Abandoned
You do know there's a Streets of Rage 4 coming out, right?
a7363b No.16699939
>>16699923
Anon, you know he's lying, considering they just put out sequels to Splatoon and Mario Maker, and keep making AC, Mario, Zelda and Pokemon. Besides, if Miyamoto had that much corporate say, you would be seeing Pikmin 7 by now. You do know that Miyamoto considered Pikmin to be the next Mario, and that the only reason why a dead series that no one played got two sequels and a spinoff? If Nintendo wanted F-Zero, we'd get one, regardless of what Miyamoto says.
12e769 No.16699951
>Atari has a new console planned for 2019
>Sega doesn't
Imagine being so desperate for relevance that you make a new console with nothing new to back it up
169b74 No.16699956
>>16699951
Sega does have a console coming in 2019.
12e769 No.16699965
>>16699956
Are you referring to the Genesis mini or something else that's escaped my radar?
2a7179 No.16699977
Does anyone actually want a new Sega console, if they think seriously about it? It's just another piece of plastic you have to buy if you want to play all of the relevant games in a generation, once you get over your emotional attachment to the idea of Sega consoles.
2f8aca No.16699986
>You are now aware that Sega has been a third party dev longer than it has been making home consoles. They're never going back.
Ok
c06e26 No.16699987
Reminder that there's still fanboys expecting Sega to go first party again one day.
be5bf5 No.16699989
>>16699281
Afterburner too, they even delisted the console versions of climax and put out a gachashit port of it for android.
000000 No.16700037
>>16699239
There was never a reason to buy any console ever. Wait, emulate and pirate.
>>16699977
This. But apply this to every single console ever made.
9a7e16 No.16700048
>Dreamcast Retro
>has the actual naomi arcade hardware
>can play all the old dreamcast games with no issues maybe arcade too
>No disk drive, but a hard drive
>online store to buy old games
>let people make their own games and put them on the store
>upgrade controller with two joysticks, top R1/R2 buttons and a LCD vmu
934ceb No.16700050
>>16700048
>>No disk drive
AND, dropped.
9a7e16 No.16700054
>>16700050
That's open for debate of course. I can see the merits.
51b4a5 No.16700095
>>16699662
>Mark gets wii-u version code early and streams the entirety of it
>coincidentally, merely a few days later, only days before the game's release, Sega announces the PC version of Mania will be delayed for two weeks
>it's also, coincidentally, during the two week delay, where one of the devs complains on twitter about being told to insert drm into a game
It's very clear the reason why SoE decided to shove Denuvo into Mania, and it's tangentially related to twelve game overs in a single zone.
3f7dad No.16700119
>>16700037
>Wait, emulate and pirate.
You can pirate on consoles and it'd be 100% faithful.
e39cca No.16700136
>>16700119
True, but having a dozen consoles on 1 device is much more convenient and affordable.
d3f311 No.16700146
>>16699255
>Isn't Sega still making arcade hardware?
Yes, but everything since ~2003 seems to be PC-based, so who cares? It's not like back in the 80s and 90s, when arcades had exotic chips and crazy capabilities beyond any console or home computer. You can probably look at their latest board's specs and say, okay, I can build a PC like that for $500. And that's great, it means the best stuff is affordable to home users now. But it also means arcade hardware is just not interesting anymore.
5fb604 No.16700157
>>16700095
>twelve game overs in a single zone
This never gets old.
d8ca8e No.16701196
>>16699425
>Also, the 8th gen systems was the first console generation where all the players had lower system specs than your typical PC.
A typical PC is an absolute toaster that can't run anything other than a few flavor of the month memeshit games with low specs anyway. But you are correct that at least the gap has been narrowing, since normalfags barely even used computers before 2007.
>>16699628
They barely care about the Windows market. It's a tertiary market and not where they get most of their sales, especially since piracy is even more rampant there than on other platforms. Denuvo has problems, but they don't care enough to look into it or even give it a second thought, because they don't care about that entire market anyway. All it is is a couple extra dollars that they take basically because it's very little effort for them.
>>16699977
More competition is better. Keeps the competitors in check.
>>16700037
>There was never a reason to buy any console ever. Wait, emulate and pirate.
Sometimes you're waiting for an extremely long time. It was still considered an amazing feat to get a remake of Super Mario Bros running on PCs in the early '90s. Btw, how's that Saturn emulation coming along?
5b41f3 No.16701308
>>16700161
I love those facial expressions.
d42794 No.16702403
>>16701196
>A typical PC is an absolute toaster that can't run anything other than a few flavor of the month memeshit games with low specs anyway.
A solid gaming rig can be had for $300, if you don't mind refurbs.
0c1262 No.16702444
>>16701196
So what you're saying is that Sega only cares enough to check the consequences of an action if there's sizeable amounts of money on the line.
d8ca8e No.16702516
>>16702403
That is highly debatable. But it also isn't what I was claiming. Just because that is theoretically possible doesn't mean that's what most people are using. The typical PC is nothing like what the people here seem to think it is.
>>16702444
Yeah, that's one way of putting it. It's like getting mad that the GBA versions of games weren't as good as the Gamecube versions. They're cheap secondary cash grabs.
0c1262 No.16702542
>>16702516
>Yeah, that's one way of putting it.
So you agree with my statement that modern Sega is shit, then.
d8ca8e No.16702551
>>16702542
Well it's unethical to swindle retards like you, but at a certain point, it's so obvious that it's pretty much your own fault. The Windows ports are cheap secondary cash grabs. They know they won't make much money, but it's also very cheap for them. You might as well be angry at Capcom for releasing that Mega Man 2 handheld LCD game.
d37b16 No.16702629
>>16702516
>It's like getting mad that the GBA versions of games weren't as good as the Gamecube versions.
But, the GBA port of ChuChu Rocket is the "definitive" edition, the GBA version of Max Payne is just as good as it's "bigger brothers", and Driv3r is best played on the GBA while ignoring the console versions altogether.
d42794 No.16702917
>>16702516
I guess your "typical PC" formula includes machines owned by people who don't play games anyway, which obviously will drag the average down. It'd be more sensible to put those aside, and consider only people who give a shit about games. Look at pic related, I think most of theose will soundly beat the current consoles, and they don't cost a fortune.
Check it yourself, for example eBay or Newegg: $100-150 for a decent refurb PC, $100-200 for a good GPU. Done. Solid gaming rig without spending a fortune.
2aa58c No.16703066
>>16699281
And tbh no one ever asked for Sonic. It exists solely to rival Nintendo's Mario but it's gimmick was it was 'faster paced' than Mario, though an argument could be made even this isn't really true in most levels. Let's face it, Sega went away from their creative and interesting IP's to try and copy paste nintendo brand idea's. Shame, really…
8e3f9d No.16703154
>>16700146
The hardware wasn't/isn't what's good about Arcade, it's the culture and the design ethos.
d42794 No.16703201
>>16703154
Partly, but there was the tech side of it too. Arcades often had crazy hardware that could do graphics and sound that home machines just couldn't match. Here is one example:
>Arcade — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6JC-HCNcio
>Genesis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfe2Ze_yDk4
342ff7 No.16703222
>>16700157
>>16700095
Why won't Markitos just kill selfo?