/v/ - Video Games

GTA4 has a drunk camera

>>16677972

It is always ok to pirate. Buying is for retards/soyboys.

>>16678141

Hang on, Luciano isn't white.

>>16678149

Neither is the guy in the picture it looks like.

>>16677972

How does this stuff work? I would assume pirates would automatically fix something like this.

>>16678113

daily reminder if you're a pirate you're right up there with luciano kucklands and likely read faggoty blogs like one angry gaymer and niche gaymer.

https://archive.fo/elu5v#selection-3537.32-3545.38

>>16678174

Something that: phones home, so they can authorize and tell if it's a pirated copy; authorization checks; leak checks, like if it detects you're somehow playing a game before it's street release date; the devs themselves uploaded a modified version of the game on piratebay or other torrent sites.

Threadly reminder that anyone who opposes piracy is a shill who doesn't belong here.

>>16678211

Yeah, but even if you implement DRM, it'll get cracked eventually. And the devs that would upload on piratebay and co. are going to be smaller teams, not megacorporations. So they may not even have access to potentially costly DRM deals and there's no way they'll be able to develop their own DRM scheme and justify the additional dev cost of doing so. So, since people are going to pirate anyways, why not have a little banter with the pirates and generate some free word-of-mouth advertisements from all the, "ha, did you know the game/devs fucks with you if you pirate it?"

>>16678249

The purpose of DRM (from a company's standpoint) is to get people who are on the fence about pirating to buy their game. Using my ass as a source, let's say that 90% of a game's sales during the first year are within a month of release. If you're the company, you'd want to delay or trip up pirates as much as possible to convert as many potential pirates into sales during that time. Then, you get another surge of sales a year or two later when you permanently drop the price.

If you don't use DRM, then you're missing out on potential sales. Of course, in an ideal world, devs would be honest, and also not treat games as a cheap commodity, rather than passion projects, but here we are surrounded by Jews

>>16678310

No dickass it’s supposed to stop piracy. It’s to make it so you have to buy if you want to receive the game. And if it fails to stop piracy which is it always does, then the next best thing it can do is make piracy such a pin in the dick people would just rather buy it.

>>16678315

How does that make me a dickass? It's the slash-and-burn business model.>Hurr DRM doesn't work, Denuvo gets cracked in a day!

They know it will get cracked. They're trying to maximize short term profits as much as possible, by delaying piracy as much as possible

>>16678326

Human rights are a social construct.

>>16678327

They're as much a social "construct" as civilization itself is.

>>16678327

> le social construct

Yas sister tell them slay girl

>>16678310

Like I said, the devs that would upload their games on piratebay would not have the mindset of, "pirates are lost sales and we need to maximize first day/week/month sales."

>>16678185

The Galileo quote at the bottom is just the cherry on top. He's such a walking stereotype you can basically discern his whole personality from this one post. I bet you anything he's posting in r/cuckolding and r/atheism these days and unironically wears a fedora in public.

>>16678347

What was the story of this image again? The "cloud" was antisemitic vandalism?

>>16678348

>the cloud

Look harder, my son.

>>16678347

Look stupid if you believed piracy was fine you'd just do it, you would gaggle around a circle of faggots to jerk each others dicks off about how you're sticking it to the man when you're just downloading codblops 95. Because boohoo I feel bad about downloading shit games

>>16678355

I know it's a Jew, I'm trying to remember what the article framed it as

>>16678373

>piracy has been proven to be completely amoral at worst, and a moral good at best

That's a fair assessment, but it also must be stated that supporting decent devs, or at least ones that make good games and keep their political opinions to themselves, is no reason to throw a hissy-fit.

I can't count the number of retarded anons screaming their heads off when someone mentions paying for a game they like made by a developer that isn't a complete fuckwit.

>>16678174

>How does this stuff work?

It doesn't

>I would assume pirates would automatically fix something like this

It always is, unless you're retarded like OP

>>16677972

Didn't Spyro feature a fairly elaborate anti-piracy mechanic meant to fool crackers and flood the "market" with defective copies? From what I recall, the devs built in a system to detect if the copy being played was legitimate or not, and for the first few hours the game plays fine, but the further in you go the more broken the game gets, until it becomes completely unplayable/unbeatable.

This is more social engineering than clever mechanic since they preyed upon the competitiveness of cracking groups to be the first to deliver a cracked copy of the game, not bothering to look too deeply into the game code.

>>16678141

Yeah sometimes the top really doesn't give any fucks and I can respect that, but some of you losers actually feel bad and just pretend not to give a fuck because you don't want to think about it. There should be three tiers in that image and those people are at the bottom.

>>16678373

That's the first time I've heard of piracy being called a moral good. I thought it was just getting games for free, what makes it morally good besides denying a leftist/kike some shekels?

>>16678416

Stealing a game isn't enough, they want to feel good about it too. Back in my day we just admitted it was fucked up and kept doing it.

>>16678433

>It does inflate the market and damage the cost of said product.

Oh yes, I remember all those games that got more expensive as their torrents appear on the net.

Oh wait.

>>16678433

First, even if that's true, it still doesn't fit the definition of the word 'theft'. However, it isn't true, and it's nothing like copying and printing money.

>>16678424

If someone took your genetic data and made a clone of you, who has the rights to the clone? Are corporations allowed to clone us without our consent since its only data duplication?

>>16678458

A clone requires physical material, thus it would count as theft.

Can you stop arguing the merits of piracy vs. buyacy and just talk about what is in the OP? There's that one "game dev sim" I forget the name, but pirated copies eventually make the game extremely difficult to reflect the fact everyone in-game isn't paying for what you're making. People liked this enough that it got added as an optional difficulty. There's a DS Michael Jackson game that adds vuvuzela sounds to the music if detected to be illegitimate.

Also while this is anti-emulation and more of technical interest, some of these techniques do apply against game copiers.

https://mgba.io/2014/12/28/classic-nes/

>>16677972

Earthbound does way more than that when it detects it's on a copier / bad emulator.

https://starmen.net/mother2/gameinfo/antipiracy/

>>16678333

The Bamham example is insidious in that it looks like a typical game bug so when they go complain about it they get totally bitch-slapped.

>>16678201

That's one way. The other thing is if DRM is patched improperly the game sometimes has multiple checks along the way to determine whether it has been patched out.

>>16678393

Yeah, I have a story about Spyro 3

>was the only game I didn't have in the trilogy

>traded G-Police, one of my favorite PS1 games ever, for a Spyro 3 CD with some piece of shit from my class

>it was a modified copy with like a cheat menu on the startup for unlimited lives/powerup timer etc

>Play it, game's fun and all

>get to the part with the blimp in the first hub area

>Zoey shows up

>This isn't an original copy of the game, this will cause some issues with the game!

>shrug it off as some joke

>finish the first hub world

>try to leave

>missing eggs

>what

>check the book with all the eggs

>the sheila level was apparently never visited

>a few eggs that I was sure I collected were missing too

>a few hours later of replaying levels like three times I finally realize something's up

>sparx is permanently stuck on green, which also affects his top down shooter minigame too

>next week, try to trade back the CD

>the fucking bastard broke both my G-police CD and the memory card I gave him with my save files on it because he couldn't get past the first level

And people wonder why I've never made friends or shared anything since.

>>16678606

>the fucking bastard broke both my G-police CD and the memory card I gave him with my save files on it because he couldn't get past the first level

This is the kind of nigger behavior that warrants spiking beverages with hallucinogenic drugs.

How does a game even check for piracy? server check? Unique ID compared to a master database?

>>16678659

It's not even Serious Sam 3. It's some Call of Battlefield Clone that got Serious Sam slapped on it halfway through development.

>>>/v/16678113

>year of our Lord 2019

>TOR posters still aren't banned

What's even the purpose of Mark?

>>16678734

increasing PPH and welcoming cuckchan refugees.

>>16678416

Didn't anyone ever tell you that sharing is caring?

>>16678747

So, you're saying cuckoldry is a moral imperative?

>>16678745

The Black & White things are also documented here, I've not come across a proper valid dump of the games to know if it triggers on flash cards or not but emulation uses a patched game.

https://mgba.io/2017/07/31/holy-grail-bugs-2/#pok%C3%A9mon-blackwhite

>>16678748

Fucking. Don't even open that can of worms.

>>16677972

>Earthbound right before you try to beat Gygas the game soft locks and deletes your save

That's fucking evil. In spyro there was a similar thing.

>play through the game

>get literally every egg

>get to the final boss

>teleports you to the beginning, reverts all your progress, makes your game weird and glitched, you fly constantly, screen is purple and you have to play the entire game again only for it to get worse each cycle

>>16678745

>can't find any remnants of old joe merrick tweet revealing he pirated B/W

It was funny too. He's done some dumb shit over the years and yet somehow keeps on being put on a pedestal.

his site still has the image file for the fake gen 4 starters

>>16678754

>but emulation uses a patched game.

Well it does now, i think the unpatched version is an; interesting experience.

The unpatched rom is actually more rare at this point.

>>16678606

That was that I was talking about, didn't get to the thread quick enough I guess. Fucking hilarious though. There's a jewtube video on it. It's pretty funny, I'd link if I could remember the title.

>>16678420

>stealing

>piracy

https://web.archive.org/web/20131130144431/http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-banned-from-using-piracy-and-theft-terms-in-hotfile-trial-131129/

It's current year. They're not even allowed to use those words in court to describe copyright infringement anymore.

>>16683439

>2013

>Current Year

>>16683439

In court and in the real world are two different matters. You're generally expected to not speak like an inbred or a tabloid during a trial.

>>16678745

I remember that.

I don't think it was ever an anti piracy check, just a joke the ROM dumpers put in. Assuming it ever happened in the first place.

>>16678754

The Black & White anti piracy will trigger on flash carts because it checks if there is an IR blaster on the cart.

That reminds me, I was never able to play The World Ends With You on a DS since it would crash on the opening on certain flashcarts. It turns out it works fine on that 3DS NDS loader thingy, though.

Sage for double posting.

>>16677972

Space rangers 2 had a mechanic where the amount of asteroids flying through a system would increase the more time you spent playing the pirated copy. Thing is they would damage pc and npc ships on collision and the vars would be written in your save. Another measure was the damage radius of a sun would increase the more time you spent.

>>16678371

don't reply to goons, you won't learn anything nor change anything. They are the same as animals and not worth your time.

>>16678333

The main idea behind these anti-piracy measures is that the first few days of sales are those that actually matter and anything afterwards is just a comfy bonus. Which IMO makes sense, you wouldn't want your product turn out shitty a week before release.

>>16678174

>I would assume pirates would automatically fix something like this.

Reminds me of the time anti-piracy babies boasted about Age of Empires 2 having an anti-piracy measure in the form of having no in-match music for pirated copies, because the soundtrack streams from a physical CD. Except AoE2’s User Patch allows for the creation of a custom in-match music playlist, including a pirated version’s missing original OST.

Anti-piracy measures are a meme. There’s always a backdoor eventually.

>>16684486

That's still stupid and wrong. If your game is such that so many people are only willing to pirate and not buy, then if it abyssmally shitty and deserves to tank. Of course this is talking about games in general and the hypothetical situation faggots love to throw, "what if only one person buys and seeds it to a million others, is that ok??" AAAshit doesn't even need that shit either. Since the their largest amounts of pre-order, upgrade editions, day/week/month one sales are from marketing hype and brand awareness than the fact it comes with denuvo or uplay.

I'm not sure you guys understand. The point of presenting the good aspects and motivations of piracy isn't to justify anything. It's to get other people to come around to piracy.

>>16677972

>fuck over nigger shoplifters

They wouldn't be affected by this.

>>16678327

"Human rights" are a dangerous system and is aim to replace morals and the only people who benefit from "human rights" are those who don't care for them.

>>16684486

Frankly even if that were the case it wouldn't matter. The core audience that's going to buy the game is doing so because the budget for said game likely had over 40% of it dumped into advertising it to the point where they felt like they had no choice but to buy the shiniest new thing.

>>16684601

>There’s always a backdoor eventually.

Unless it's Primal Rage.

>all this people throwing shit to each other just to prove if piracy is good or bad

I just keep it simple, if the game is from a small developer and the game is truly good and unpozzed i´ll gladly pay for it. everything else just deserves pirating the hell out of it, even good games from big companies like nintendo sony and others. those companies had become so pozzed that they dont deserve anything from the consumer.

>>16678333

It wasn't the middle of the game, it was the very beginning. It literally just removed cape glide from the game, which makes it about a 30 minute demo in length.

>Mass Effect on PC

Perhaps the most mean spirited and underhanded, they made it so that the galaxy map was unusable and then also arranged for fake "Mass Effect Crack w/ Galaxy Map fix" downloads which were actually just malware to be hosted on torrents. How do I know it was Bioware? Well, who else would have knowledge of this very specific DRM-disguised-as-bug garbage other than the people trying to play it?

>ArmA

Turns you into a seagull permanently after about 30 minutes spent playing the game (across all missions) along with displaying some pretentious quote that totally misses the point.

>buy games that i wanna buy

>pirate games that i wanna pirate.

Dunno why you fags gotta make things difficult

>>16678174

There's a YouTube channel called Modern Vintage Gamer who does a lot of videos on the subject. Despite the cancerous-sounding name, he's pretty laid back and only makes the videos in his spare time because he's a hardware enthusiast with a giant collection.

>>16678393

Yep. Vid related has some really neat video evidence: https://invidio.us/watch?v=4GYSeXLr5sY

>>16684486

>which IMO makes sense

>it's perfectly normal for games to have their success decided by a two-week launch window instead of long-term, sustainable sales

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

>>16684601

>There’s always a backdoor eventually.

Even if it takes 20 years?

>>16678038

/thread

Metal Gear Solid should have had an anti-piracy scene where Psycho Mantis reads your mind, learns you pirated the game, scalds you and then shuts off the game.

>>16678174

It doesn't, and they do. Sometimes it'll slip through the initial crack and get fixed a few hour laters when the first players encounter and report the issue (cracking teams are much more competent and responsive to fixing issues than game developers), and they'll update their crack. Then 99.99999% of pirates never encounter the "anti-piracy measure" and buyfags will chortle and congratulate themselves over the clever anti-piracy measures that most pirates never even know existed.

>>16699274

>scalds you

harsh but fair

>>16699274

>scalds you

Why would toss boiling water on you? That doesn't make any sense.

>>16695330

>>16684777

>>16698566

You misunderstood me. I'm okay with piracy and I'm okay with buyfags for good games, too. I'm just trying to explain the logic behind making these extremely obnoxious anti-piracy tactics. It doesn't matter if a game is shitty or good, you need to at least be able to try it out before buying it to make an informed decision. You don't buy shoes or clothes just by looking at them and estimating that they're a good fit, you have to try them on first. You don't pick a new prebuilt computer and just expect it to work on your expectations alone, you need to test it in store and read reviews about it. So why the hell can software houses have the gall of not allowing at the very least a free demo of what the game can do (like was the case up until the PSX era at least for me)? Also

>AAAshit doesn't even need that shit either

Yes, exactly that. Figures for pirated games are inflated to make it seem like it's some sort of epidemic when in reality I'm assuming that at best 5% of modern games are being actively sought after by pirates, and all the AAA games can more than tank the "damage" from shared copies. I mean, they don't even let you borrow the game from another friend's console, so why bother with being a moralfag?

>denuvo

Have they been relevant lately?

>>16698566

>it's perfectly normal for games to have their success decided by a two-week launch window instead of long-term, sustainable sales

Financial success in the modern world is determined by early sales. Barely any new product, despite their constant upgrading and one year warranties, is developed with the idea that it will keep selling alright well into their lifecycle, otherwise phones and gadgets wouldn't drop hundreds of bucks per successive month, if not even week. The only companies that think like you do are those that offer "subscription plans", think Nu-tendo's shitty online service.

WHERE IS SERIOUS SAM 4

>>16712042

EDF 5 is good enough I guess

My favorite anti-piracy measure is the one that worked and stopped piracy.