/v/ - Video Games

This entire thread could hit the post limit with Final Fantasy example alone.

>>16667802

YES YOU FUCKING NIGGER

I MAD

I mean they had this weird, slightly clunky but workable thing, and fucked it up.

Literally every character in NT has like three moves compared to the customizable and broad movesets of 012 and the original.

Characters also had a bunch of EX moves in NT the only thing there was a generic summon that throws out useless area effects, nothing personalized to the character, no cinematic craziness that tells the other guy "You fucked up now watch me send you to the void you bitch"

On top of that, the moves in NT are static, there's no variation, which is important because having variable movesets encourages some small amount of caution in another player, especially since Brave attacks can lead into HP killing attacks, which is essential to Dissidia's fighting meta.

The game is also set up so that no attack is a one touch death from a combo, which is a huge problem in fighting games, and attacking the other player reduces their attack power.

But fighting in a match in NT is horrible, as all you need to do is attack a human opponent's AI partners, who are absolute liabilities since the AI is still shit and you can still lose based on how the AI fucked up this time. It's fucking ridiculous.

>>16667802

do you gain anything from the game being shit its not like squeenix will actually die during your lifetime

Dissidia was always a gay game. How can anyone stomach an action game so floaty?

>>16667895

Being floaty was the point since there's multiple movement methods built into the game for you to have infinite airtime.

>>16667919

DoW3 is a damn monkey's paw wish come true. Some of the base ideas that led to why it was shit could have been done better, and helped make it not shit.

>Beat boss in battle.

>They win in following cutscene and gloat about how they were holding back.

>Happens 5-6 times a game.

>They're not even compelling villains but instead some kind of chuuni illuminati.

I've dropped the franchise and deeply regret the time wasted.

>>16668228

I feel like I need a crash course in the entire DoW series to understand just how awful that game just because it's been a while since a game made so many people so mad.

>>16667867

>its not like squeenix will actually die during your lifetime

I dunno anon, they're trying pretty hard to kill themselves and I'm still young

I'll definitely live long enough to see them get bought out by some other company, at least

Disney already has a foot in the door with Kingdom Hearts, anyway. Wouldn't take much for them to buy the rest of the company if they really wanted to

I miss intro quotes, but I know that if they brought them back, they'd try and turn them into too long Injustice-style convos. What happened to that shill faggot who kept calling NT a better game because "MUH ESPORTS COMPTETITIVITY, OG DISSIDIA IS JUST SPAMMING HP ATTACKS"?

>>16668695

He either got fired or moved to a different project, likely FF14, just like all shills.

Want a hug anon?

I do. It still hurts

I bought it Day one for 60

>>16667780

>ass fighting game

How would this work?

>>16668803

Pretty sure there already is one based on Super Duper Sumos.

marks dad is going to die

>>16668888

Nice digits.

With both his parents dead, will he finally have to get a job?

>make the best game in an entire franchise

>then shit all over it

I'm not even upset about it though tbh

>>16668803

already been made

skip to 11:00

>>16669000

>>16669002

>Creative ASSembly manages to do their own spin on Warhammer Fantasy and does it well, while retaining their core while enticing WHFB lovers into the DRM infested game

>Relic tries to fucking get everyone into their shit while a decade late in a trend

>Pisses everyone off from the DoW1 traditionalist and the DoW2 tactics guy, and the ASSFAGGOTS/Starcraft 2 audience didn't give a shit

They are truly retarded.

>>16668956

What I thought was interesting about FEAR2, is that everything they did bad can be seen as very appropriate responses to criticisms of FEAR1, and its the element that taught me you genuinely can't have everything, even if we imagine that devs occasionally are making a genuine effort.

Look at the trash level design in FEAR2, FEAR1 was repetitive in its environments but very well designed and perfectly built offices, the water treatment plant, so on. FEAR2 has streets, hospitals, school yards, a lot of environment variety. But by spreading itself so thin, it ends up with trash design and most of the gameplay being a shooting gallery from behind cover.

Look at the enemy variety, FEAR1 had you fighting 95% replica, with some brief encounters with the ninjas, and a handful of fights vs those annoying flying robots in I think it was purseus mandate. Then FEAR2 they introduced a bunch of different fairly interesting enemy types, but again the depth and character of them dropped off a lot.

People whined about actually having appropriate camera movement, head bobbing, head sway when you look down instead of being a camera on a pivot standing on a stick roughly 1.8 meters above the ground. So FEAR2 made it more "conventional" and in the process lost ALL the weight and momentum that actually made the scissor kicks feel good.

Everything I've heard people complain about in FEAR1 was fixed in FEAR2, some of those fixes were net positive (fixing the standard issue rifle- which felt awful to use in FEAR1 and okay in FEAR2) but most of it detracted from the game.

>>16669082

It was a bit more than that. DoW1 was the introduction of a lot of people to 40k. It was hammy, over the top, and got some things wrong, but it got the gist right for the feel of 40k. Most people didn't care that they got some things wrong because even the details they got wrong were so hammy and over the top that they were having fun with it. DoW2 rustled a few more feathers because it was something quite a bit bigger that they got wrong, but it was still a fun game and there was enough fun bullshit that people could move past it. Generally, the lore mistakes were later in the game. Then DoW3 happened. They added the female knight, and in trailers they showed Gabriel, the main of DoW1 vanilla's campaign, flipping around in Terminator armor. They also had a Eldar Titan as a hero unit, and that was acting with less weight than the Eldar walkers in DoW1 or 2 had. The result was that 40k fanboys, some of which became them because of DoW introducing them to it, lost interest in the game as a 40k game, and they didn't have interest in the game outside of that because it was basically an ASSFAGGOTS game.

If the game just had that stupid gameplay, it still would have done decently because of the 40k license. However, they pissed off everyone between the blatant lore mistakes that weren't even keeping in with the "feel" of 40k, and the gameplay. Then the youtube/twitch shills came out to defend the game, which pissed people off more.

>>16669317

Sometimes criticism should be ignored. It is kind of hard to tell when to ignore or listen to it.

>>16670104

What's wrong with the Kojima quote? He's a hack otherwise, don't get me wrong, but I don't see much wrong with this. He wanted a game to be a certain way, programmers weren't giving him what he wanted so he did it himself. Seems reasonable to me.

>>16670181

>>16670104

kojimbo quote is pretty funny when you understand it's basically the many decades-old equivalent of "I couldn't figure out how to make an actual game so I made it a VN in ren'py instead"

>>16670194

My nigga

I AM ALSO MAD ABOUT DISSIDIA NT.

LITERALLY ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS TAKE 012 AND ADD MORE CHARACTERS & STAGES.

THEY COULD HAVE EVEN KEPT THE LOW POLY PSP MODELS FOR ALL I CARE, BUT NO THEY HAVE TO FUCK IT UP.

>>16670104

So, Kamiya's that hardheaded GM who puts in his favorite monsters in a dungeon where said monster has no reason to be in, Kojima's the GM who prefer to tell a story than an adventure and Itagaki's the killer GM who would put in 5 Dragons…in a level 1 adventure in the very first room.

>>16668917

He can claim to be a holocaust survivor and get a job shilling chicken nuggets.

>>16667780

The worst part about NT is that they added characters I actually want to play as but the game fucking sucks.

>>16670846

>Game looks like shit

>The music

>that music

Got me right in the goods.

>>16667780

Three words. Breath of Fire.

>>16670201

>Design by committee is a curse on all creative endeavours, from video games to suspension bridges.

If only video games were as good as suspension bridges at asserting why design by committee is such a bad thing. If games failed so hard that they killed 40 people and landed the CEO and half the board in Federal prison then maybe they wouldn't fuck around with vidya so much.

>never had PSP

>hear Dissidia was good, watch videos, enjoy them

>NT announced, consider buying PS4

>start seeing the writing on the wall that it's going to be shit

>even the fucking mobile game is better than NT

All I wanted to do was to experience the game I enjoyed watching on youtube.

>>16670998

Probly cant play for shit but I would be down. Any niche picks character wise? I only played the original and I think I mostly stuck with zidane and maybe golbez.

>>16670896

That's pretty much Square games in general for the past decade or so.

>>16671037

Emulation jackass.

>>16668235

I have a feeling about which game you're talking about and if its Trails understand that of course you arent going to actually beat the chunni illuminati. The closest you can imagine getting to defeating them is in the second game and even then its vague as fuck if you actually win against some or not they are a league of their own for a reason If I'm wrong, dropping an entire series because of fights not going the way you like is exceedingly retarded.

>>16670998

How would we set it up? Is it possible to play multiplayer over emulation?

>>16670958

Its fucked up that dragon quarter killed the franchise, it was a solid game but I could see why no one liked it. The mobile game looks horrid, even for a mobile game.

>>16671874

That kind of thing does get bothersome, though. Especially when the actual boss fight was a push over and the game acts like you just barely won, or even worse that it is a forced loss and some enemy you were supposed to beat with no issues was more of a pain because they got free healing for story reasons.

>>16672596

It even had a manga prequel where Ryu not only speaks properly, he's the mayor of the city, the player's big brother but also tried to find and protect Nina but the player's super special protagonist dragon powers flared up and he got fucked, so it's even worse than you think. And despite that, everyone wants the protagonist's dick by the end of the day. What a shity way to end such a franchise. The fact that the only other game after BoF5 was a phone game about BoF4 that involved only Ryu fishing(back when games like Before Crisis existed) was digusting.

>make a fighting game

>Put in RPG shit that makes a retarded large barrier to entry where you need the best shit with a 22X multiplier set up so you can upon landing your first meter building move you can one hit kill

I

AM

STILL

FUCK I N G

M A D

Why was this shit not only for fun in the single player but brought it into PVP and turned it into a shit show

>>16671852

WoL, Shantotto, or CoD might be up your alley if your goal's to play characters who don't get used a lot. Maybe Bartz too.

>Fucked up franchise

How can other fucked up franchises even compete?