/v/ - Video Games

>>16666568

>4.5 gb installer again (takes two days)

What thirdworld shithole do you live in?

>>16666572

Canada

>>16666573

I download 10gb games in less than half a day and i literally live in Venezuela. How the fuck do you have it that bad?

>Blaming GoG for your retarded DRM using friends

>>16666580

The game requires their DRM service to function for multiplayer. How is that my fault?

>>16666583

I am sure you can all play trough Tungle, unless you consider that DRM as well. Out of curiosity, do you consider MMOs to be DRM?

You should have done your research, it's not GoG's fault you didn't know they were shit.

>>16666597

>>16666579

Our ISP is (((Rogers))) and they give us 200-500 kb/s or so through the day, more after 2 am. Might be throttled based on neighborhood use, I have no fucking idea

>>16666601

That's silly the only places that have bad internet is America because they banned net neutrality

Never bought shit from them but pirating GoG installers, they're always broken. Any DOS games I've gotten with GoG launchers just come with an unfinished, half-baked implementation of Dosbox and barely fucking work. My favorite, though, was GoG's Deus Ex, which ran at double speed and needed to be modded to work properly. Even the Steam version works properly.

>>16666568

>Holy fuck you guys lied. GOG is fucking cancer.

When has anyone claimed otherwise? GOG is shit. Steam is shit. Tencent store is shit. They're all shit.

>>16666607

Deus Ex worked just fine for me with wine at least

>>16666597

Que arriba, spic. (What's up, spic)

>>16666610

Any time anyone suggests buying games, they always say to go with GoG. There's no need to pretend otherwise. Of course, there's a lot more people saying to always pirate, but buyfags shill for GoG harder than Mark shills for Israel.

>>16666616

Now, it's mostly anti-Steam rather than pro-GOG or any other store.

>>16666616

that's because when it comes to the choice of whose furnace to burn money in, I can at least pick the one that doesn't have Denuvo

>>16666616

>Anytime anyone suggests to buying games

>buying

I haven't seen anyone with a drop of credibility suggest buying anything at all. Steamfaggots can go rot in hell. Publisherniggers can eat my dick and any other (((Middleman))) should just die already.

Just pirate everything under the sun like our Lord and saviour intended, if the game is even mildly decent, send a tip to the developers that you think deserve that shit.

>>16666601

Roger's is easily the worst of the Three Kikes and if you're still using old-ass coax cable your connection is indeed shared. Fiber might be the same although it isn't for me. I can't speak definitively to Roger's though, I worked for Telus and so get 100mbps fiber for like $50 a month and have for the past seven years

>>16666613

This is actually wrong. The correct translation would be something along the lines of "Que paso, sudaca"

Up (Arriba) doesn't have a double meaning in spanish and "What's Up?" (What is Up) is actually taken as it is written "¿Que hay Arriba?". "Que Arriba" does not make any sense much like how "What Up" doesn't really mean anything, except in spanish there's no nigger slang.

Paso is past-tense for Pasando, which does have a double-meaning and could either mean Happening or Walking depending on the context.

Sudaca is just what the Spainards call south and central americans for a slur, much like everyone that speaks english uses Spic.

>>16666625

This, and any faggots screaming about supporting the gaming industry in this day in age are the cancer that's killing /v/.

>>16666620

Sauce on manga?

Check this out

Ahem

Check em

>>16666651

The board is not that fast faggot.

Damn it give me digits already

>>16666668

You tried.

>>16666666

>>16666625

With all the patreon type shit out there I don't get why more devs don't just go that route. Most storefront sites are like digging through a bargain bin anyway.

Pretty sure you can play that over virtual LANs, right?

>>16666669

Got it, thanks.

>>16666568

sounds to me like the problem is with Grim Dawn's developers. maybe you shouldn't buy shit.

>>16666768

Nah, basically patches are always behind because GoG decides it has to check everything you put up but takes forever (not to mention you do have to make the patch and QA it before that whereas steam just lets you push shit to your repo as much as you wish.

And the online requires galaxy because most ev just rely on steamworks for a lot of the online so either they'd have to make a custom thing to handle that or drop in the GoG alternative to steamworks for that the only problem is that they force you to tie it to the client instead of being reasonable.

>>16666774

yep, so the problem is indeed Grim Dawn's devs.

>>16666568

You should've just pirated the game in the first. Fuck MP with DRM, you shouldn't give those games the time of day. Stick with the SP, but don't bother with gated MP.

>>16666784

Nah the problem is with GoG imposing retarded requirements and extra work on devs for no real advantage for the dev.

GOG Galaxy isn't DRM you stupid faggot. That'd be like saying a Master Server for Quake games is DRM.

>>16666826

My ability to play a game online is limited by their implementation, such that it requires a 3rd party software and account.

If I got banned on GOG, I wouldn't be able to natively play multiplayer

>>16666829

They own the server though, that's the discretion.

At least, as far as games that use GOG Galaxy for online multiplayer go.

<Download the game (v1.1.2.5), they have v1.1.3.0

<No patch to 1.1.3.0, have to download a 4.5 gb installer again (takes two days)

why the fuck didn't you download 1.1.3.0 directly or after the update was released? especially when you know you have shit internet?

the rest of your post sounds equally retarded, can't blame gog for not wanting with stupid customers.

>>16666945

I planned to play SP the entire time, but they learned I owned the game as well and they had bought it previously. I was content to use an old version because I don't like using 3rd party clients. I didn't know it would take that long, GoG servers are very slow, I can get 1200kb/s down speed via Steam

I didn't download the patch earlier because I assumed that like other patches, it would be < 100 mb, and that I wouldn't have to download a whole fucking 4.5gb file to patch under 100 mb

>>16666601

>200-500 kb/s

Fucking lol are you for real? Is this 2003?

>>16666819

>for no real advantage for the dev

Yeah because fuck making the game workable on day 1 of release,just release it broken on steam's drm and then patch it whenever you feel like and if you get bored along the way just abandon it,you already got your money.What are they gonna do?Pirate a broken game lol?

>>16666974

In 2001 I was able to download at 1.5MB/s on cable.

>>16666999

Why would you spend your time shifting the blame away from GoG when currently it's combining the downsides of both steam and piracy.

It's a shit platform to bother putting your game on and you should be spending your time putting them in front of that fact instead of sucking their dicks for no compensation.

>Yeah because fuck making the game workable on day 1 of release,just release it broken on steam's drm and then patch it whenever you feel like

GoG shitty systems for handling patches is much more likely to cause a dev to not bother fixing shit.

Besides if a game is broken on steam you get a refund fairly painlessly, whereas GoG will do anything to not refund you even on your very first refund.

>>16666606

Not sure if serious.

stellaris,terraria,ryse son of rome,rise of the tomb raider,south park stick of truth,stardew valley,sniper elite games , mordhau,mad max,the long dark,hollow knight,hitman games,half life 2,gta san andreas,goat simulator,i am bread,friday the 13th the game,dead by daylight,final fantasy xiv online,fallout 4,elder scrolls online,doom 4,dead island,dead island riptide,dark souls 3,batman arkham knight.

>>16666829

I suspect that the devs have no intention of creating their own multiplayer framework, if they can use Steamworks. If GoG didn't offer their own equivalent, then they would probably either not implement multiplayer at all in GoG version or not sell the game on GoG. If Steamworks wasn't a thing and they had to make their own, independent multiplayer, then it might have been different.

>>16667025

>You don't need to invent bullshit to shill your massas' shitty

Which bullshit?

Why do you care about my criticizing GoG if you're so pro piracy?

>>16667028

>Why would you spend your time shifting the blame away from shitty developers

What part of GoG being shit at doing it's job is the fault of the dev, besides them bothering to put their game on GoG in the first obviously.

my buyers remorse was i went to see star war episode 7 and was pissed at the fact i could of used that ticket money to buy beer. what the fuck was i thinking…

>>16666601

>200-500kb/s

Jesus Christ anon I'm Egyptian and I used to have these speeds nearly a decade ago, get out.

>>16666601

Low latency, low speed?

>>16666572

Sage is not a downvote, you corporate-cock-sucking plebbitor.

>>16666568

Just pirate mang.

Stop being such a tool.

I thought this was /v/.

>>16667050

>The part where the only reason for putting their game on steam was easier for the developer according to your own admission.You fucking retard

I never said it was the only reason for putting their game on steam.

My sole argument GoG decided to make their own network handling drop in code tied to the client like steam when they could and should have made it independent to begin with.

Not only that but Gog still relies on manual verified uploads for game / patch distribution, that shit is horrible for everyone involved and the only upside is that's it's good for archival purpose.

Basically if you have to modify anything about your game on GoG you have to

>make the modification

>pack it

>upload it

>wait for GoG to review it

>announce that you've changed your shit to the playerbase because GoG doesn't do much to help you with that outside of Galaxy

>deal with people who haven't seen you've changed something

With pretty much any other sane implementation of game distribution platform

>make the modification in your repo

>optionally make a rollback branch on your repo

>validate the change

>optionally post a changelog

This encompass 90% of the problems in the OP, and none of those are from the devs.

>But they didn't code everything from scratch so it's their fault

Nobody sane does that anymore outside of small projects that don't have many complex requirements, there wouldn't be many games to play if it was a requirement

>It sure as hell doesn't make the game itself better,it doesn't make things easier for the customer

It makes the game better by having the devs not dedicate resource to reinventing the wheel, that is why platforms like GoG and Steam provide tools to handle common stuff that's not necessarily easy to do well like for example netplay handling, it's usually better to use those than pretend you don't need them and end up with a shit implementation.

It makes it easier for the player by having a recognizable and common behavior across all games for the things that are implemented via those tools.

>easier

You insist on that point like it's a bad thing

Why would making things easier for devs be bad?

>>16667103

Close up your cunt. Roger and David hung with America. What's your problem?

>>16666606

t. redditor that doesn't know what net neutrality actually means

Very easy to go that way.

i bought expensive original ps3 due to the final fantasy 7 remake ad all those years ago. fuck sony and square forever.

>>16667107

He's obviously joking.

>>16666779

I bought it, don't play much, but I don't regret the purchase. The in-game VoIP really really pushes it above M&B, allowing players to better coordinate and roleplay on public servers.

>>16666829

>My ability to play a game online is limited by their implementation, such that it requires a 3rd party software and account.

>If I got banned on GOG, I wouldn't be able to natively play multiplayer

Do you eat shit for breakfast too?

Grim Down's has LAN play. You can use Tungle or similar services to connect to your friends.

Christ on a pike, you can even directly enter the IP of a host and connect. Are you one of those faggots that can't use a server browser and always use Matchmaking?

>have shit Internet

>REEEE, this is GoG's fault!

>don't check game versions despite knowing your mates are on a different plataform

>REEEE, this is GoG's fault!

>game crashes on your toaster

>REEEE, this is GoG's fault!

I know exactly what you're doing, because I also had a friend that did the same shit. You noticed it's popular to shit on Steam and GoG. And it is, because there's legit

criticism that can be levied at them. There's shit they don't do right, and people are complaining. You heard all that, then fucked up and had a bad experience.

Now you want to blame them and expect sympathy from other people who also don't like GoG. Tell you what: you can eat shit. You're too retarded for gaming, and you're

the kind of idiot that's dragging back everyone else.

>>16666606

Net neutrality is treating all data the same. It means your ISP can't charge you extra for things like hotspot thethering or Netflix and can't do deep packet inspection to block your torrent client.

Internet speeds in the US are shit because of a combination of low investment in infrastructure and cable monopoly.

>>16667129

>Trusting capcom

I too made this mistake with monhun, fuck capcom

>>16667137

this, tbh.

>>16666568

Do you have the in game mic on? It got fucked up in a recent patch and has been causing crashes.

>>16666667

I got this piece of shit in my Steam library for free randomly. Dunno why. Tried it and I just thought it was a shitty ripoff of M&B. I did like that bows felt "meatier" than in Mount. I also thought the visor thing was kinda neat, a visor would actually be quite a scary thing to fight using. But too bad the game just sucked.

>>16667167

No, it looks like it's disabled. That gave me hope for a brief moment

>>16666568

>4.5gb patch in 2 days

Nigger what? I can get that in 5 mins?

>Says I have to download and install GOG Galaxy (a form of DRM) to play multiplayer

>goes and does it

Op you've basically just announced that you're a retard.

>>16667196

><except for the "insane" developers that still do

Name one that isn't working on a very small scale project.

>>videogames are unoptimised shit as a result

>>Valve was and still is at the forefront of that

What the fuck are you on about?

What does valve providing an API to do common task non performance critical tasks have to do with video games in general being unoptimized nowadays?

I mean they do also provide the Source engine but most games don't use that so that's not really a point.

><IT'S GOG'S FAULT FOR NOT MAKING THINGS EZ LIEK VALVE DOES

Yes it is, why would you, as a dev or player, use an inferior service if it present no advantage?

>but DRM free

You can pirate steam (or other) releases / crack you own backup all the same and they present no functional difference in the end, wait actually no you can still do multi on pirated steam releases

>Does somebody as retarded as you ever come to the self-realisation that they are actually being retarded

Considering your argumentation is half schizophrenic interpretation of what I posted and half hallucinated bullshit you should be wary of your own state of mind before chimping out every post how everyone who disagree with you is a retard.

> using GOG for multiplayer games

retard

>>16667243

>>16667246

You're a moron. What doesn't work for OP is crossplay and only because he has a different version than his friends. GoG or any other company does not have an obligation to sell you a game that plays along in multiplayer with other players using a different version.

You might as well go sue random Minecraft servers because they're not running in your 1.64 version or whatever you prefer.

You're also ignoring that everyone else that wasn't blessed with extra chromosomes isn't having this problem and actually enjoys having master servers to connect with their friends and play online, something that only works because GoG or Steam make them available for anyone that actually bought it.

But go ahead and tell me how some ruskie tutorial will circumvent that problem beyond risking giving your information to some russian Steam emulator.

>>16667263

>i d-don't c-care! HAHA GOTCHA

Jesus Christ how pathetic.

>>16667263

>blackpill fag calling claiming he doesn't care and that someone else is mad

>when he's mad all the time because nobody cares about him

That goddamn irony, you could make some really edgy katanas from it.

>>16666613

Que onda, cambujo infeliz?

>>16667290

Listen, pal. You can only go so many threads with "don't buy anything! don't support the industry! let it die!" before you become so obvious and recognizable that you might as well be using a trip.

I don't know if you're dumb enough to expect a "reborn from the ashes" after it dies, if you're just another "vydia is degenerate! just breed more white babies!", an SJW that wants to crash the industry or just plain retarded, but this is the dumbest way you could ever hope of going about this.

I'd fully get this kind of rant about Steam and even more so to Epic. GoG however isn't perfect but at least it's not malicious in nature nor does it assume that it's clients are malicious as well and it's still making vydia to boot. Complaining that they are 100% bad just because they don't tard wrangle as much as you need is stupid, killing decent alternatives to digital distribution helps nobody.

>>16666568

You could just fucking accept that's it current year and damn near anything with multiplayer is going to have a drm system to use that multiplayer.

When people say gog doesn't have DRM they mean it does not have drm for the fucking offline single player mode which is sadly still shit ton better than steam/uplay/origin does.

>>16666958

steam has delta patching, compression and it's own CDN, that kind of online distribution was never the focus of gog to begin with.

> I didn't know it would take that long

how long did it take the first time? because that's how long it would take in the worst case a second time.

I'm a fucking retard and can't be bothered to spend 2 minutes checking things before I throw money at cancer general.

Remind me why we don't permaban cocksuckers like OP?

>>16667103

>With pretty much any other sane implementation of game distribution platform

you mean like any other "sane" implementation only deals with AAA or indie shit and give zeros fucks how their game actually runs?

gog's procedure comes from the single fact that they started out selling good old games, as in shit that will never get updates that needed dosbox or be packed in a tard-proof way people like you can doubleclick it and have it run. they are also the ones who get shit on when stuff doesn't work especially in cases where the original dev studio doesn't even exist anymore.

there are fucking cases were the steam version isn't even up2date or simply doesn't run on modern systems, whose job is it to make it work? go ahead and ask valve about it, closest you'll get is a refund request granted, but no working game.

>This encompass 90% of the problems in the OP, and none of those are from the devs.

except valve & co don't handle sourcecode, the fuck you're on? they either let devs upload their own shit or have patching build into the service so they don't have to care and customers don't have to redownload the whole game. gog simply doesn't offer that (maybe if you use galaxy, but since that's optional gl with that), it's review process has fuck all to do with that.

>>16667356

>Remind me why we don't permaban cocksuckers like OP?

Because Mark is a jewish fucking faggot.

>buying GOG

>ever

>>16666666

>>16667387

I have 26 ping on mobile network. Maybe he should game on 4G?

>>16667385

This, GOG is made for piracy. Actually PC gaming as a whole is made for piracy, but especially GOG. Here is a copy of Revolver 360 Re-Actor:

https://1fichier.com/?tmh42uw08n8qv110nf6d

and Raiden IV Overkill:

https://1fichier.com/?eptlrxa0ej4q1ty3okpg

Remember to always pirate PC games.

>>16667416

Not just piracy, if I'm buying a game it is always going to be on Steam. People who cry and whine about DRM are just looking for reasons to moan without actually giving a proper excuse as to why. Fuck GOG, fuck Epic, and most important of all, fuck gaming. That is all.

>>16667416

>being a communist

>don't worry guys, someone else will pay for our free shit!

>don't worry guys, someone else will make all the things we want for free

I get not spending money on actual shit games or on actual shit platforms, but if a decent dev makes a decent game and sells it in a decent platform (and you could replace GoG here with any other that's not shit), why wouldn't you support them and actually buy it?

Should normalfags and SJWs be the only ones on the market?

>>16667369

>you mean like any other "sane" implementation only deals with AAA or indie shit and give zeros fucks how their game actually runs?

Why would the thing that distributes the game files to every user care or even have any impact on how those runs?

It shouldn't and it doesn't, because it's there to put the game on your computer nothing more nothing less.

That would be like blaming your torrent client when your cracked shit doesn't run

>gog's procedure comes from the single fact that they started out selling good old games

And that's when they changed that that they should also have changed how they dealt with distribution, they've had years to change it, they didn't I don't see why it should be seen as acceptable when they're clearly not a very small niche store anymore

> they are also the ones who get shit on when stuff doesn't work especially in cases where the original dev studio doesn't even exist anymore.

So? If you sell old games under the guise that you've made them simple to run even on modern system why shouldn't you get shit on if you fail to deliver that after being paid?

That's not even getting not them borrowing public fixes while disregarding licenses, whiuch wile expedient and nice for the user is still bad in hte long run because why would anyone make a nice patch for that old game if some faggot is just gonna repackage and sell it?

>there are fucking cases were the steam version isn't even up2date

I have my doubts the about the up to date part but seeing as big publisher also see steam as a dumping ground for their catalog it really wouldn't surprise me, I doubt it's anything you can't fix yourself though so it's not too bad, still shit because that's not what you paid for.

>or simply doesn't run on modern systems, whose job is it to make it work?

That's an interesting question, I'd say the people putting it there should have some responsibility in making the thing they're selling you playable but usually they just refer you to the requirements and that's that, on the other hand there is no claim they would make it run on your brand new system and you can still get a refund in the end so .

> closest you'll get is a refund request granted

Well yeah that's pretty normal

In the end you're always a dumbass for buying old games unless you have a 100% guarantee it goes to the right people, which basically never happens

>except valve & co don't handle sourcecode, the fuck you're on?

Maybe you're confused because I call them repo, meant depot,

For example https://steamdb.info/app/233860/depots/

But you get the idea, you only have to make the modification to the depot, confirm it and maybe do a branch with the old version just in case but the rest will be handled for you and a differential patch will be distributed to everyone with a license to your game, without having to deal with any stupid time wasting shit.

When I refer to the 90% problems in the OP

I'm talking mostly about

>poor distribution system leads to gigantic patches you have to actively look for to even know they exist and having to redownload shit you already have because the client can't detect existing installs, every other client I've tried can

>Client being mandatory for multi for no reason when it also runs contrary to the original idea of GoG which is being as hassle and requirement free as possible

I still can't understand OP.

Multiplayer game requires a server, what do you expect?

/v/ is the biggest bunch of whiny baby faggots I've ever seen

>>16667451

At this point it's basically just a bunch of retarded screechers.

GOG > Steam >>>>>the rest of the market.

>>16667454

How exactly do a bunch of discs for console games hold value?

Why does digital installer not hold value?

You realize you are just paying for a disc right?

>>16667447

>Client being mandatory for multi for no reason when it also runs contrary to the original idea of GoG which is being as hassle and requirement free as possible

It's not a requirement unless you play multiplayer, and in this case, the game only has internet multiplayer.

Take it to the devs.

>>16667463

>Because people are willing to pay for them outside of a supervised context, there's inherent value in them.

People will buy fucking bath water if they sense value in them, you can also burn a GOG installer into a disc and sell that.

>Why would it? It's an ethereal unit that anyone can reproduce infinitely as I have before, why should you pay for something when no one else will pay for it if it's coming from your hands?

Why would a disc hold value over an installer?

Your disc does not work on its own, it requires a specific machine in order to work. Said machine can also run the installer the same way.

When you are paying for the installer, you are supporting the devs and nothing more. And unlike the disc, you can have the installer forever.

If your disc is scratched, shit's over.

>Do you not want your belongings to have value?

Values are subjective. You can't force values on objects.

>>16667460

>It's not a requirement unless you play multiplayer

And that doesn't stop it from being shit, they have the resources to make that shit clientless or at the very least use a very slimmed down client disguised as a launcher (that would actually be nice) to not require having one central client

They don't because they want to be like steam, if you're not seeing how that's a bad thing I'm not sure what to tell you, especially when you can already see they've already grown as complacent and lazy about their business as valve.

>>16667472

>you can also burn a GOG installer into a disc and sell that.

apparently not as in all the tens of millions of ebay listings, nobody has done it. Who would buy that? Do people even have disc drives on their PC? I have one but I don't have any cables going to it for more SATA ports for my hard drives. That's an absurd conclusion to even propose.

>Why would a disc hold value over an installer?

Why wouldn't it? It demonstrably does.

>it requires a specific machine in order to work

So does a gog installer.

>you are supporting the devs and nothing more

You are implicitly supporting a system of digital distribution, which is the enemy of all consumers. Are you also a netflix and spotify user? Those services knee capped consumers bad.

>If your disc is scratched, shit's over.

Physical ownership comes with responsibilities, it's a tell of a persons character if they let their belongings be destroyed. You wouldn't seriously let that happen, would you?

why should you pay for something when no one else will pay for it if it's coming from your hands? Do you not want your belongings to have value? Would you rather have everything condensed into a single box and live in a grey cube? Do you not have posters or items of sentiment decorating your space?

>>16667474

Imagine actually paying for any of these things.

>>16667478

>And that doesn't stop it from being shit, they have the resources to make that shit clientless or at the very least use a very slimmed down client disguised as a launcher (that would actually be nice) to not require having one central client

I'm sorry but that's needlessly complicated considering GOG Galaxy can serve as client for MANY multiplayer games.

>They don't because they want to be like steam, if you're not seeing how that's a bad thing I'm not sure what to tell you, especially when you can already see they've already grown as complacent and lazy about their business as valve.

You want to play multiplayer games, that's the part you take.

Multiplayer games are inherently anti-freedom.

>>16667483

>Multiplayer games are inherently anti-freedom.

local multiplayer is the only solution.

>>16667480

>apparently not as in all the tens of millions of ebay listings, nobody has done it. Who would buy that? Do people even have disc drives on their PC? I have one but I don't have any cables going to it for more SATA ports for my hard drives. That's an absurd conclusion to even propose.

People would buy that if they do it. Ten of billion chink children buy pirated CD games, I did it as a kid.

>Why wouldn't it? It demonstrably does.

Why would it? The disc holds the same value as the data.

>You are implicitly supporting a system of digital distribution, which is the enemy of all consumers. Are you also a netflix and spotify user? Those services knee capped consumers bad.

Digital distribution isn't inherently anti-freedom and GOG has showed that, piracy has showed that. If anything, physical distribution for DATA is anti-freedom because physical container degrades.

>Physical ownership comes with responsibilities, it's a tell of a persons character if they let their belongings be destroyed. You wouldn't seriously let that happen, would you?

Too bad shit happens, the fact your disc is scratched means it cannot be used anymore. Meanwhile you can copy gog installer to ten billions harddrive.

>why should you pay for something when no one else will pay for it if it's coming from your hands?

Because I want to support the devs. I don't want to pay for scratchable and easily perishable discs.

>Imagine actually paying for any of these things.

Yeah, people do regularly, more than your shitty used games.

>>16666606

>America is the only place with bad internet

>Laughs in Australian

>>16667485

So you have to enforce that?

>>16667489

Yo, ask the devs that.

>>16667491

Why is GOG shit?

>>16667479

I read this shitpile and you just buy games from Steam because it's more convenient.

You actually own stuff you buy from GOG.

Nice try.

>>16666568

>you guys lied

Delete your system32 it'll make the internet better.

>>16667490

>I did it as a kid.

And you're still not very smart about it, it seems.

>The disc holds the same value as the data.

It doesn't.

>Digital distribution isn't inherently anti-freedom

It is.

>Too bad shit happens,

Only if you're a nigger it seems. Still have CDs for the turbo duo in perfect shape.

>Because I want to support the devs

yes the devs re-releasing their 30 year old games from their defunct studios who have the rights of them held by insurance companies.

Wait what?

>more than your shitty used games.

Now that's a lie.

why should you pay for something when no one else will pay for it if it's coming from your hands? Do you not want your belongings to have value? Would you rather have everything condensed into a single box and live in a grey cube? Do you not have posters or items of sentiment decorating your space?

>>16667480

>nobody has done it

I'm pretty sure I saw some russian selling burnt DVD with cracked NFSU2 and a few mods on them, probably had other shit too

>>16667483

>You want to play multiplayer games, that's the part you take.

That's sad, for as much as people shit on steam it's really what they deserve.

>needlessly complicated

It really isn't, I mean I guess a truly secure clientless version would be but plain old direct IP works only thing is it cannot verify you actually own the game It's almost like the no DRM stance of GoG is skin deep, but having a slimmed down client packaged in standalone really isn't hard at all if you made the big client in the first place.

>>16667505

>I'm pretty sure I saw some russian selling burnt DVD with cracked NFSU2 and a few mods on them, probably had other shit too

I've heard plenty of stories about that from slavs on the internet.

>>16667497

Buy a game from Steam, download a crack and apply it and you now "own" the game you bought. Same shit GOG does for you.

>>16667503

>And you're still not very smart about it, it seems.

How?

>It doesn't.

Yes it does. The disc itself holds no inherent values.

>It is.

No, it's not. GOG and piracy has proved it's not.

>Only if you're a nigger it seems. Still have CDs for the turbo duo in perfect shape.

Your problem, not mine.

>yes the devs re-releasing their 30 year old games from their defunct studios who have the rights of them held by insurance companies.

>Wait what?

So in those cases, pirate ahoy. There's literally no reason to buy them.

>Now that's a lie.

It's not.

>why should you pay for something when no one else will pay for it if it's coming from your hands?

Again, you can't force values on objects.

Your scratched used discs have no inherent values.

>>16667512

why should you pay for something when no one else will pay for it if it's coming from your hands? Do you not want your belongings to have value? Would you rather have everything condensed into a single box and live in a grey cube? Do you not have posters or items of sentiment decorating your space?

>>16667510

Actually, GOG sells DRM-free games, you don't need to crack them for them to be free.

If you need to crack them for them to be free, why buy them in the first place?

>>16667513

>why should you pay for something when no one else will pay for it if it's coming from your hands?

Again, you can't force values on objects.

Your discs will be worthless in the future and only dumb ass idiot will buy from you.

Peddle your bullshit, no one will buy it.

>>16667516

Do you not want your belongings to have value? Would you rather have everything condensed into a single box and live in a grey cube? Do you not have posters or items of sentiment decorating your space?

>>16667505

>That's sad, for as much as people shit on steam it's really what they deserve.

Why? Because Steam has a client?

>It really isn't, I mean I guess a truly secure clientless version would be but plain old direct IP works only thing is it cannot verify you actually own the game

They can't check on you if you play singleplayer.

You want multiplayer, they have to verify you because you are playing with everyone, not just yourself.

>>16667522

>If I could sell my GOG library legitimately I would do so in a heartbeat.

same here, the whole platform was a mistake. Haven't bought anything on there in years, just give me login information to friends so they can download free shit.

>>16666583

>>16666568

Steam and GOG Galaxy are forms of DRM (Galaxy is extremely lax and can be gamed – it doesn't have an API to check validity like Steam does so you can share an account with a friend and download games then log off) but they are also infrastructure services. I think it's more likely in this particular case that they simply wanted multiplayer servers and Steam/GOG provided the cheapest option. I do think it is bullshit that they won't give you a refund if you've bought the game just to play with your friends though.

>>16667521

Oh boy, it's repeating itself now. See what I have said.

>>16667522

>It's practically 101 in terms of coding and they could get their intern to do it over the fucking weekend if they wanted but they don't pressure devs to be truely DRM free because they obviously don't give a fuck about that anymore.

Their games are already DRM-free, now you are using a technical part of the game, MULTIPLAYER in order to get to them.

I think that's a shitty attitude, you might as well say not all pirated games are DRM free because you can't play multiplayer on all of them.

<actually working

<actually having DRM free versions like GOG

<linux support

<less censorship

<more niche games listed

So literally more convenient.

>You own a license which allows you play it just like every game sale.

I own a license where I download a gog installer that is DRM-free and you can install them whenever you want.

>You don't own it like you other things because you can't sell your games or even allowed to decompile them.

Yeah, owning things doesn't mean the inherent ability to sell them.

You are pretty much using bad argument from that point.

>>16667531

You never answered the questions. You want my retorts to your stupidity you have to pay it back in kind, your evasion to certain questions says all I need to know.

Do you not want your belongings to have value? Would you rather have everything condensed into a single box and live in a grey cube? Do you not have posters or items of sentiment decorating your space?

>>16667522

>Reminder that steam sells DRM free games as DRM is completely optional part the game publisher can decide to add.

And again, this shitty point.

Why doesn't Steam force all publishers to make DRM free games?

Why doesn't Steam make their client to be DRM-free?

I think Steambots have lost it at some points.

>>16667532

I have answered the question.

You can't force values on things or objects.

If people want your bath water, you can sell it.

If people want a disc with a gog installer, you can sell it as well.

>>16667538

Do you not want your belongings to have value? Would you rather have everything condensed into a single box and live in a grey cube? Do you not have posters or items of sentiment decorating your space?

>>16667539

See above.

>>16667524

>Why?

Because multi never should have required an external client but now even the one platform that used to pretend to try to keep things the way they were is doing it.

>they have to verify you because you are playing with everyone

Why would that be needed?

>>16667533

>Why doesn't Steam force all publishers to make DRM free games?

>Why doesn't Steam make their client to be DRM-free?

Because they have a hands off approach, it's up to the people that put the game on the platform to decide how they should handle things within legal reasons, some will want DRM and some won't. it's not hard to understand

>>16667513

>why should you pay for something when no one else will pay for it if it's coming from your hands?

is that you mark? cause that's the most semitic post I've seen in a while.

>>16667543

>Because multi never should have required an external client but now even the one platform that used to pretend to try to keep things the way they were is doing it.

Yes, because it's convenient to do so.

>Why would that be needed?

Because you could be a hacker or a cheater or a pirate.

>Because they have a hands off approach, it's up to the people that put the game on the platform to decide how they should handle things within legal reasons, some will want DRM and some won't. it's not hard to understand

This hands-off approach does not benefit people who play vidya.

I like how Steam can sell DRM games and fill in DRM server and that's okay, but the moment GOG has a client, the sky is falling.

>>16667439

>decent platform

Easier said than done.

>>16667454

>you can own them

Emphasis on can. An increasing number of console games sold on boxes are just glorified installers, with consoles themselves becoming increasingly reliant on internet functionality, and an increasing number of publishers are interested in digital-only stores, which is also important for the indie-devs mentioned by the post above. See: Risk of Rain 2 and Gearbox

>>16667548

I'm just waiting for an answer. If he doesn't want to answer it, I think it's easy to say I've seen what feels deep down.

>>16667549

>An increasing number of console games sold on boxes are just glorified installers

Which games?

>>16667552

>No, they really don't. They can just let users have their own servers.

Yeah, they do, GOG Galaxy is not just for one game.

>Actually being able to fucking PLAY the game isn't a "convenience"

I don't need GOG Galaxy to play the game.

>Except for the part where they need DRM to fully function

No, it doesn't.

>Because multiplayer is a part of the game you've paid for and doesn't exist in some other dimension where you think GOG are excused

Yes it does. Multiplayer requires a server and is inherently anti-freedom if it's internet multiplayer.

>Literally does in almost every free country with specific laws saying how you cannot prevent a person from reselling something they purchased and own.

Not in the case of digital goods unless they have DRM on them.

>>16667546

Yes, exactly, I'm glad we can agree that both companies should delete their DRM.

>>16667553

All consoles games are inherently DRM since you have to buy a certain machine to play them.

>>16667557

Yeah, GOG doesn't have DRM though.

You are using a technicality to argue, a very bad technique.

>>16667558

So are lungs then by that logic, what games? List them.

>>16667561

All console games are inherently DRM since you need to buy a certain machine to play them.

>>16666568

>has a problem with one game

>shills that the entire store is shit

>2 days to download 5gb

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>>16667559

>and a DRM server

But GOG has this, and they should get rid of it if they want to be truly DRM-free.

>>16667568

Don't have to.

You just don't have to download GOG Galaxy.

inb4 but muh multiplayer

Multiplayer is anti-freedom.

>>16667567

This.

>>16667573

Thread was bullshit from day one.

>>16666574

>pirate everything.

to be fair to OP, Grim Dawn is a multiplayer game. Multiplayer is a kind of DRM that is very difficult to crack.

>>16667546

>Yes, because it's convenient to do so.

Meh, I'm really not convinced, especially from what I remember of my early days when I actually played multi a lot.

>Because you could be a hacker or a cheater or a pirate.

You could be all those things on the client too actually.

>This hands-off approach does not benefit people who play vidya.

Well anon you have to understand that a successful marketplace needs to have both buyers and sellers, if you lack one or the other you're not successful, leaving devs to handle their shit however they please is one very easy way to please them, and dumping the blame on devs like valve does is one very effective way to not have the users pissed at your platform, and in fact it's justified for them to do so because they let the devs handle things however they want.

>but the moment GOG has a client, the sky is falling.

It's almost like they made not doing the same bullshit as steam their main selling point for years.

>>16667564

I could do the whole shtick about everything is DRM because you need it to be able to play games but I'm lazy.

>>16667571

>The solution is to buy a game and don't use a portion of it

Bullshit.

>Multiplayer is anti-freedom

Please explain how directly connecting to another computer is anti-freedom.

>>16667578

Grim Dawn is a SP/MP game.

MP is just a part of it.

>>16667580

>Meh, I'm really not convinced, especially from what I remember of my early days when I actually played multi a lot.

Yeah, OK, I don't.

>You could be all those things on the client too actually.

Yes, but the client weeds the majority of these things out.

>Well anon you have to understand that a successful marketplace needs to have both buyers and sellers,

Not my problem, I don't want online activation in my games.

>It's almost like they made not doing the same bullshit as steam their main selling point for years.

Nope, Steam sells DRM games.

>I could do the whole shtick about everything is DRM because you need it to be able to play games but I'm lazy.

What?

>>16667581

>Bullshit.

Yes, you aren't locked out of the game.

>Please explain how directly connecting to another computer is anti-freedom.

You have to connect to another computer.

Single player? You don't have to.

>>16667585

>Nope, Steam sells DRM games.

What relevance does that have in that specific point, GoG prided themselves on not having DRM for years and even set it as their main selling point and when suddenly they decide to go back on htat with shitty excuses you just take it like it's nothing and don't understand why people are pissed about it.

>What?

"You need electricity to play videogames, fucking electricity DRM"

Ad nauseam for everything that you actually need to be able to play videogames.

>>16667586

>Because they don't have to and they have no interest to. That's only a thing GOG advertises and fails at.

And that's why Steam is bad.

It doesn't care about its buyer.

GOG does by selling DRM game.

>hat doesn't even make sense. The client IS the DRM. How can it be DRM free unless you mean completely FOSS? In that case it would be incapable of making or verifying any purchases.

Not my problem. It's funny you are starting to make excuses for Steam but not for GOG.

>One of the things they've said was that their client was OPTIONAL. They failed on this promise and have even admitted it by not listing it as in progress or completed as the #2 most wished for features

Huh? It's literally optional.

>Really? Because I would if I bought Dying Light, a majorly ONLINE game on their platform. I'd be a dumbass to do that of course because they don't have the Linux version that steam does and buying DRM games on a platform whose only selling point is DRM free is a waste of money.

You can play Dying Light without the online with NO loss.

>Ok you're a GOGdrone, got it. Some of their game literally need the DRM client.

List one.

>Wrong. Servers aren't magically anti-freedom you double nigger. I can host a server for Doom and people with their original 1990s copies can still connect to it.

That requires many people to connect to it, you require PEOPLE to play multiplayer.

>Galaxy: a closed source piece of software required to access the entirety of games you've purchase on their platforms by verifying your credentials and the files on your computer. Same as steam.

Which isn't needed to verify the games UNLESS you play multiplayer.

>There's DRM free multiplayer games that DON'T need this sold on steam and other platforms.

1. Does every Steam games work like this?

2. You are free to buy on other platforms if they offer DRM-free version of multiplayer.

>This should be the way 100% of GOG games function.

Again, not my problem. I don't care about shitty multiplayer.

>>16667454

What's the difference between an installer on a disc (that might have copy protection, but most likely not) and an installer downloaded from internet that has no copy protection burned onto a disc?

>>16667592

>What relevance does that have in that specific point, GoG prided themselves on not having DRM for years and even set it as their main selling point and when suddenly they decide to go back on htat with shitty excuses you just take it like it's nothing and don't understand why people are pissed about it.

GOG still sells DRM-free games.

The fact their multiplayer components require GOG Galaxy does not mean their games have DRM.

>"You need electricity to play videogames, fucking electricity DRM"

That's bad argument.

You need electricity and a PC at bare minimum to play ANY video games in the first place, unless it's a portable game.

>>16667586

>I think I need to get out too. gogdrones have somehow gotten more annoyingly retarded than valvedrones.

1. "GOGdrones": like GOG because they sell DRM-free games.

2. "Steamdrones": like Steam because it's convenient.

And somehow "GOGdrones" are retarded.

>>16667597

>GOG does by selling DRM-free games*

>>16667602

>The fact their multiplayer components require GOG Galaxy does not mean their games have DRM.

The fact that the game locks part of itself until it can verify you own a license means it's DRM

>>16667607

>The fact that the game locks part of itself until it can verify you own a license means it's DRM

Shitty argument.

You don't need said part to play the game or enjoy it.

You are using the excuse of multiplayer to drag down the whole game.

Hell, knowing things like this, GOG shouldn't have sold any new games with multiplayer, Steamdrones are inherently dishonest.

>>16667608

>You don't need said part to play the game or enjoy it.

But it is part of the game and it is locked until the license can be verified

That akin to saying a shareware game doesn't have DRM because you enjoyed the first few level, that's fucking idiotic.

>>16667616

>But it is part of the game and it is locked until the license can be verified

It is an optional part of the game and you can freely enjoy the whole game without ever being online.

>That akin to saying a shareware game doesn't have DRM because you enjoyed the first few level, that's fucking idiotic.

But you can play every levels of the game.

>>16667623

>Well then it's why GOG is bad too because they also fail to do this.

Every game GOG sell is DRM-free.

>No, it's not if you actually want to fully access your game. You might as well say steam is optional for games as long as you don't fucking play them.

If you don't play them, how is Steam optional? For most Steam games, you need to log unto Steam in order to activate them.

>Online IS a loss. A HUGE chunk of the code of the game is off limits because you've failed to verify with a different piece of software that's not the game. Trash

I remember I pirated the GOG Dying Light and lost nothing in return.

>AND? Many PEOPLE get together and do activities. None of this means they have less freedom.

Yes it does, because you have to HAVE these people. In single player, you don't need to.

>And there it is. So it's required to get the full features of the game you PURCHASED. Do they sell a cheaper version of the game with no online parts? No

The game is DRM-free.

>No and steam makes no illusion that they have to.

So Steam is bad.

>And I do. I've bought DRM free multiplayer games on GOG (we can library compare you fucking broke nigger) and I stopped when the galaxy virus spread.

So stop.

>Just because you don't care about it doesn't change the reality you fucking twat.

Again, it literally doesn't matter. I don't play multiplayer.

>That's like DRM fags saying they don't care about DRM so DRM isn't an issue or doesn't exist.

DRM exists whether I care about them or not. I still can't play most Steam games without online activation.

>You don't fucking need GAMES at all nigger. The fact is they list it full price with those features listed as part of the game right next to big notice of how it's DRM free; a big fat lie.

True indeed, but the games GOG sell is DRM-free. If you don't care about DRM, buy Steam games.

>Some games are all about the multiplayer either objectively or subjectively.

And most of the multiplayer centric games are not sold on GOG because they are anti-freedom.

Any games that REQUIRE multiplayer to be relevant is anti-freedom.

>Terraria's online is hugely important to most people who continue to play it. Guess what, that games works fucking perfectly without galaxy online and I even play my gog copy with steamfags.

So take it to the devs, not GOG.

>>16667621

>It is an optional part

Optional doesn't matter, it is a part of the game, it is locked until the license is verified therefore it has DRM,

>>16667626

>you can install and launch games without an internet connection.

You can install games from a backup offline on steam I'm not positive on the launching them part as it might be game dependent.

>>16667626

So they have DRM because GOG makes a server for them.

It's true.

GOG really should stop selling games with multiplayer.

People who multiplayer games are cancer and bring their cancer with them.

>>16667628

>Optional doesn't matter, it is a part of the game, it is locked until the license is verified therefore it has DRM,

Yeah, multiplayer doesn't actually matter and you can have fun with just the single player.

>You can install games from a backup offline on steam I'm not positive on the launching them part as it might be game dependent.

Most games on Steam have DRM and need to be verified even if you back them up offline.

It's funny Steamdrones will actually defend this.

>>16667642

>achievements

>necessity

Cancer.

>>16667636

>Yeah, multiplayer doesn't actually matter and you can have fun with just the single player.

Not relevant.

>It's funny Steamdrones will actually defend this.

Steam never sold itself as a DRM free platform.

>>16667645

How is it an excuse for GOG?

Because you can't play multiplayer, the game is not DRM-free?

>>16667647

>Not relevant.

Relevant because multiplayer is an optional part of the game.

>Steam never sold itself as a DRM free platform.

In short, Steam is inherently bad and it doesn't respect its customers?

>>16666568

>Says I have to connect GOG servers (a form of DRM) to play multiplayer

>>16667651

>>16667650

>Because you can't play multiplayer, the game is not DRM-free?

the games stopped being drm free when the galaxy client came about. it's included in all of their releases for the last year or so regardless of multiplayer.

>In short, Steam is inherently bad and it doesn't respect its customers?

no significantly large company respects its customers

Let me get this straight.

GOG is bad because you need to connect to a server to play some of its games (which are all DRM-free and doesn't require internet connection to play).

But Steam is good because it doesn't force DRM-free services, so it can do whatever it wants.

What?

>>16667656

>>16667656

>the games stopped being drm free when the galaxy client came about. it's included in all of their releases for the last year or so regardless of multiplayer.

How? ALL of them do not require the Galaxy client to play.

>no significantly large company respects its customers

So no need to buy Steam games then since they literally do not respect you.

>>16667651

>Relevant because multiplayer is an optional part of the game.

It's absolutely not relevant that you don't care about that part, the mere fact that the game can check if you have a license is DRM in itself, it locking part of hte game is just reinforcing the idea.

>Steam is inherently bad and it doesn't respect its customers?

>telling people exactly what they get and giving it to them is disrespectful but lying about your primary selling point isn't disrespectful

>>16667662

>It's absolutely not relevant that you don't care about that part, the mere fact that the game can check if you have a license is DRM in itself, it locking part of hte game is just reinforcing the idea.

It's not locking a part of the game, you can freely enjoy every parts of the game. The multiplayer is just playing with multiple people on the same levels.

>telling people exactly what they get and giving it to them is disrespectful but lying about your primary selling point isn't disrespectful

In short, Steam sells DRM games, this somehow makes them more respectful than GOG, who sells DRM-free games?

Face it, you can't make this sound good.

>>16667658

OP is just a massive retard

>>16667668

>they don't 'require' the client but it still comes included and the .dll will install during install and ping the gog servers

And?

They still don't require the client or any internet connection to install and play.

>>16667658

GoG is bad because it sells a game that's only mostly DRM-less. Maybe it's also guilty of not forcing the devs to make online multiplayer that doesn't rely on publisher services.

>(45)

You go away for an hour, and some nigger's autism boils over.

>>16667672

>GoG is bad because it sells a game that's only mostly DRM-less. Maybe it's also guilty of not forcing the devs to make online multiplayer that doesn't rely on publisher services.

Yeah, take it to the devs. I don't give a shit about multiplayer and ALL of GOG library is single player games.

>>16667674

Oh okay. I don't consider that DRM since it doesn't force me to connect to the internet to play.

>>16667664

>you can freely enjoy every parts of the game

Not the multiplayer,, and as much as you're again gonna try to minimize it it has no relevance on it being a part of the game, it could be the fucking audio volume slider locked behind account verification and that would still be DRM

>In short, Steam sells DRM games, this somehow makes them more respectful than GOG, who sells DRM-free games?

Your statement would be right if GoG did in fact sell only DRM free games and didn't lie about the fact that it doesn't anymore

>>16667673

I'm literally mad and angry at the OP's retardation.

Then again, it's multiplayer niggers. They are cancer whenever they go.

I legit believe GOG should cut ALL the multiplayer components in their games.

Multiplayer is inherently anti-freedom.

>>16667684

>Not the multiplayer,, and as much as you're again gonna try to minimize it it has no relevance on it being a part of the game, it could be the fucking audio volume slider locked behind account verification and that would still be DRM

It has no relevance on the part of the game and do not diminish ANY enjoyment of the game because the whole game can still be finished ever connected to an internet connection.

>Your statement would be right if GoG did in fact sell only DRM free games and didn't lie about the fact that it doesn't anymore

List a single GOG game that is not DRM-free?

>>16667689

>that's cool and all but why are you hardcore defending them over anti-consumer bullshit

>drm is drm

How the fuck is that DRM?

Holy shit, I defend GOG because they sell DRM-free games, I buy once and I play them forever, HOWEVER I want.

>>16667687

>It has no relevance on the part of the game and do not diminish ANY enjoyment of the game because the whole game can still be finished ever connected to an internet connection.

>"The game has no DRM because I enjoyed it"

Even a Denuvo shill wouldn't say something that dumb, you should thing about that for a minute.

>List a single GOG game that is not DRM-free?

Any that require the client to be open and logged in to access any part of it liek the one in the OP.

>>16667689

To be fair, spyware isn't DRM, if it doesn't prevent you from playing the game.

>>16667692

>Even a Denuvo shill wouldn't say something that dumb, you should thing about that for a minute.

How? You need an online connection in order to activate a Denuvo game.

>Any that require the client to be open and logged in to access any part of it liek the one in the OP.

So list one?

>>16667697

>How? You need an online connection in order to activate a Denuvo game.

Quite the dense mofo

>So list one?

already have

>>16667702

>Quite the dense mofo

What?

>already have

Hope it's not Grim Dawn because you don't need Galaxy client to play it.

>>16667706

>What?

wat

>Hope it's not Grim Dawn because you don't need Galaxy client to play it.

not the MP

>>16667708

>wat

What?

>not the MP

The MP of Grim Dawn does not prevent you from being able to play the game.

>>16667709

>What?

wat

>The MP of Grim Dawn does not prevent you from being able to play the game.

still locked behind drm tho

>>16667712

I won't respond with another what.

>still locked behind drm tho

MP of Grim Dawn is internet based, so it's inherently locked behind internet connection.

>>16667717

I can argue forever with you faggots.

>>16667713

>I won't respond with another what.

wat?

>MP of Grim Dawn is internet based, so it's inherently locked behind internet connection.

wont launch if not logged

>>16667719

>wont launch if not logged

Actually, it will not launch if it doesn't have internet connection.

So take it to the devs.

>>16667725

>Actually, it will not launch if it doesn't have internet connection.

wont launch if online but not logged in

>So take it to the devs.

wat?

For me the only buyers remorse I can remember in recent years is shadows of war.

Bought it because of the cool orc voice acting. Which is the best part of the game.

Expected it to be like warband. But its as shallow as a puddle.

The storyline would make Tolkien spin in his grave.

And the gameplay is horribly simplistic and driven entirely by quick time events.

>>16667732

>wont launch if online but not logged in

>if online

That's already DRM.

>wat?

Ask the devs to add local multiplayer.

>>16667733

>that's like saying you need electricity, it's still drm if it needs you to verify your account to play a game with friends

No, it's not.

You don't need to verify your account to play the game, that means it's already DRM-free.

When you need to be online to play the game, that's already DRM.

>>16667739

>That's already DRM.

cant download gog games without connection

all gog games are drm

>Ask the devs to add local multiplayer.

WAT?

>>16667744

>cant download gog games without connection

>all gog games are drm

Wrong, you download the installers.

But you don't need internet connection to install or play them.

>WAT?

I thought you want DRM-free multiplayer?

Internet multiplayer is inherently DRM because you requires internet.

>>16667747

>in what sense is that drm? my internet connection doesn't care if i bought the game or how i installed it

Yes, your internet connection cares if you have it or not. Without it, you cannot play internet multiplayer.

>but gog does

GOG doesn't even care if you buy the game since you can pirate the installer and play, but your internet connection does.

>>16667754

>that's just a lie

How? I can do that right now.

I can pirate a GOG installer of any game and play it right now.

Does GOG know?

No.

>>16666601

>200-500 kb/s

Holy shit, nigger. I'm in some third world shithole, but at least I have a somewhat decent internet speed. I had 200-400 kb/s back in 2008.

>>16667749

>Wrong, you download the installers.

breh cant download wthout being online

literaly said 2 post ago needing online means its drm

are u fucktarded or do u not rember wat u typed 5 min ago

>>16667762

Wrong.

DRM = needing online to INSTALL or PLAY.

You need neither for GOG installer.

>>16667766

>yes, but that wasn't even the point of contention. we went over this

Yes it is.

It is LITERALLY the point.

GOG does not know if you pirate the game.

That's the point of DRM-free.

>>16667764

m8u literally said that shit and now ur sayin its wrong, tf is ur problem

>>16666597

orale vato chinga picasso chorizo gue :DDD

>>16667773

…what?

When did I say DRM means you need to have internet connection to download the installer?

>>16667783

>gog absolutely does know, we just went over this. i conceded that spyware isn't technically drm.

LOL, they fucking don't. Pirate all of their shit and they will not find you.

>needing a proof of purchase to play a game with friends is though.

No, that isn't. It's literally an optional part that you can skip.

>>16667777

>…what?

wa

>When did I say DRM means you need to have internet connection to download the installer?

>>if online

>That's already DRM.

bruh u have alzeimer

>>16666573

I live in Canada too and even my cancerous Rogers plan doesn't slow my net down that fucking bad. What province do you live in?

>>16667788

>if online

>That's already DRM.

Context?

I said if you need online to play or install, that's DRM.

>>16667805

>Context

Itsur own fuckin post m8 I aint your carer or tard wrangler or whatever find it urself

>>16666568

>download a 4.5 gb installer again (takes two days)

>not 2 minutes

That's what you get for being a 3rd world poorfag

>>16667759

>I had 200-400 kb/s back in 2008.

Why would it have gotten any faster in the past ten years? Infrastructure doesn't grow on its own; speeds will only improve if the company pays to improve them. What do they have to gain from spending that money on small towns or rural areas? Every ISP for those areas uses the same infrastructure, IF there's more than one in the first place, so it's not like switching would help if you're dissatisfied. Your choice is to pay a premium for their shitty connection, or have no connection at all, so why should they care about the quality you get? Besides, as long as there's areas with terrible internet, they can keep asking for subsidies to improve it, which they can then spend on more profitable areas like Toronto instead.

In many cases the ISPs have no plans to ever upgrade the infrastructure unless a customer specifically pays for the whole thing themselves. Before I moved away into a city for work, my family asked the ISP when the local infrastructure was scheduled to be upgraded, and their answer was that they had no plans to make any upgrades at any point in the future, though they did generously offer to cooperate if we paid the estimated $25,000 for it ourselves.

On the bright side, there have been smaller wireless providers springing up over the past couple years, at least here in Ontario. Generally poor latency, but they offer speeds as high as 5 megabits/s.

>>16666568

4.5 gigs takes two days

dude what the fuck. On 250kb that would be around 4-6 hours at most. You're on a connection that probably can't even handle playing online games at any less than 300 ping.

>>16666607

Every GoG game I've played works perfectly fine, maybe it's your operating system?

>>16666649

>>16666724

Komi-san a cute, it's a good read so have fun binging it all in just one night when you're miserable so you can't read anymore

>>16667808

>Itsur own fuckin post m8 I aint your carer or tard wrangler or whatever find it urself

Where?

>>16667915

>I need an online connection to authorizie multiplayer on my GOG copy of KoFXIII.

But you don't need an online connection to be able play KoFXIII.

So it is not DRM. I love that Steamdrones tip toe this point.

>>16667915

> And Specify the part of whatever definition you are taking DRM from where it says only some of it has to not be online to play or install.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management#Introduction

> Digital rights management (DRM) tools or technological protection measures (TPM)[1] are a set of access control technologies for restricting the use of proprietary hardware and copyrighted works.[2] DRM technologies try to control the use, modification, and distribution of copyrighted works (such as software and multimedia content), as well as systems within devices that enforce these policies.[3]

You can freely copy and use GOG games.

>>16667949

>Where?

in the thread duh

>>16666568

>have to download a 4.5 gb installer again (takes two days)

This should take like 15 minutes, at most. Are you on dial up or something?

>>16667970

Math is right but your internet connection sucks balls. You need you move somewhere where you can get fast internet. You don't have the right to complain about internet speeds when you only have a ~0.244 mbps connection (to put it in modern standards).

>>16667970

That is slower than some ISPs give away for FREE in cities.

>>16666568

<Holy fuck you guys lied.

>infographs detailing how fucked GoG is have been on the site for years now

>ever buying digital

>not knowing how to YARR HARR HARR

This is why you're a faggot who needs to lurk for two years before posting.

>>16666568

You can't feel remorse if you never buy in the first place.

>>16667970

I had previously, 250kb. I could download 4 gigs in around 4-6 hours. I'm going off what I know and had experienced. It did not take me two fucking days to download 4 gigs, I could download up to 30 in just two days if I left my pc on all the time.

>>16667986

If you're gonna post ass at least post some good ass.

>>16667987

Then you actually had a significantly faster speed than what it was rated at. Basic math doesn't lie.

>>16667989

>>16667991

I would always see myself with 250 KB. I don't know what you guys are on but I trust my many years with seeing 250kb.

>>16667992

Are you talking about kilobytes or kilobits? BIG difference.

>>16667993

Yeah, I'm on about Kilobytes. Kilobits would be immensely slow. Jesus is OP on fucking third world internet?

>>16667996

Read my other post >>16667995

>>16667578

Hamachi or similar, been years since I used any lan simulator, so who knows if it's shit now or if there's a better one

>>16667995

Alright, well, math for 250 KB (kilobytes) to download 4 GB would take ~4.66 hours.

>>16668000

Connection speeds are rated as bits per second as the standard in the USA too. Not sure why exactly. I guess because that was the standard scale in the very early days of internet connections or whatever.

>>16666568

Grim Dawn uses p2p, pirate the steam crack and you can play with your friends.

>>16668000

My own internet connection in the USA is rated at 100 mbps, which is actually 12.5 MBps in a more practical speed.

>>16668006

>Alright, well, math for 250 KB (kilobytes) to download 4 GB would take ~4.66 hours.

And that's what it would have taken me. Hence why I was confused.

>>16668023

If OP is only 250 kbps (kilobit) then 4 GB download would take ~37.28 hours

>>16668023

The conversion from kbps -> KBps is simple. There are 8 bits in 1 byte. So you just divide by 8.

>>16668032

>>16668041

Makes sense now, I just got confused over the use of KB (bytes) and KB (bits) happens all the time.

>>16668000

Post more of this my friend.

>>16668067

>told ass poster to post better ass

>mark just bans him instead

The cake kike is just jealous that women have better booties than him.

>>16668072

Uppercase "B" is for byte, lowercase "b" is for bit. That's the convention. I usually go ahead and make the first letter upper or lower case as well. So like kb for kilobit and KB for kilobyte. Same for any other amounts like mb (megabit) and MB (megabyte), etc. It is a little confusing. Bit is fine as b, but they should have made byte be represented by "y" or something so it wasn't easy to mix up.

>>16668067

Mark is such a faggot. That should be fine as long as the post itself has relevant content.

>>16668086

Yeah I never really understood why it isn't less autistic.

Kbi or KBy might make more sense but nevermind.

Why does that one desperate virgin attach a picture he masturbates to to each of his posts? Creepy…

>>16668086

> I usually go ahead and make the first letter upper or lower case as well

The capitalizations are standardized for any prefix regardless of what unit it's applied to. Mega is always M and never m. Kilo is always k and never K. Writing 'mb' would be a millibit, and that's nonsense.

>>16668101

Part of the issue is that at the same time there's also a need to distinguish between decimal and binary counting. Is a megabit 100 kilobits, or 1024? That also gets denoted with an extra i in there.

>>16668106

>i'm pretty sure it's intentional, if they wanted there to be less confusion all the marketting would be in bytes

One is the biggest things that kills me is hard drive size conventions. They get to pad their stats by having a GB in hard drive size mean 1000 MB, not the actual 1024 MB in 1 GB. Like they arbitrarily convert it to base 10 or something. I still don't exactly know how this works. But that's how it is.

>>16668110

So then Kb and Mb is technically correct for kilobits and megabits?

>>16668121

It is Mb, but it's kb instead of Kb.

>>16668129

>>16668110

The whole idea of arbitrarily redefining binary kilo to fit their own conventional definition for kilo is a marketing kike initiative, no doubt.

>>16668131

FFS, stupid ass autistic conventions.

>>16668138

>FFS, stupid ass autistic conventions.

Blame the French. Once the Germans and British got involved the rest was all standard, and everything that was big used upper case while everything small used lower case.

>>16668152

I'm putting KB for kilobyte whether they like it or not. Suck it Frenchies or whoever.

It's well known that most gog games do not work with steam games, I don't see anything on the grim dawn page saying otherwise.

>it took 300 posts until anchor

might as well have let it hit the bump limit by itself

>>16668237

SHUT IT DOWN

>>16668237

Why did it get anchored in the first place? The topic is legitimate, we're discussing VIDEOGAMES. If its because of offtopic shitposters then their posts should be removed instead of punishing a legitimate thread

>>16666707

Anyone?

>>16666697

>With all the patreon type shit out there I don't get why more devs don't just go that route. Most storefront sites are like digging through a bargain bin anyway.

With Patreon you need to be a celebrity and have a large following to actually make a living individually, then an even larger following to make enough to support multiple developers.

A lot of people, especially actual developers with mathematics and computer science backgrounds just do not have the personality, extroversion, or time to garner a lot of attention to begin with.

>>16667474

Can you buy that key, use it, then when you're done with the game sell it?

>>16668337

No, because that key is perishable good.

>>16667983

>>GOG tries to make me authorize access whenever I try to use it with their multiplayer games

There is no GOG's multiplayer games.

Why are you so retarded?

>>16667548

Chairmen gets to keep Lizards in their barracks?

>>16667578

If it doesn't have LAN, pirate the steam version and run it through steamemu.

>>16667332

>GoG however isn't perfect but at least it's not malicious in nature

Then explain why Galaxy exclusives exist. If the guys at GOG cared, they'd have given their API the option to work even when not logged in an account; only then wouldn't it be DRM.

>>16666568

Please kill yourself, you colossal fucking retard.