/v/ - Video Games

>>16663846

>mouse acceleration is bad

This is a huge misconception because most implementation of mouse acceleration is horrible. Povohat's Mouse Acceleration Driver which is extremely popular with Quake competitive players gives you a lot of control of the entire acceleration curve. Acceleration is also pretty much required to make large precise movements on trackball since you have so little movement on the ball before you have to pick up your thumb.

I have had the same logitech g700s for 4 years. It hasn't broken down on me, but I do still have some complaints. The middle mouse button is crap because you can't click it without activating two other mouse functions. There are too many buttons. I only needed like two extra, and there aren't any similar models with fewer buttons. The battery is really bad. Surface detection is kinda shoddy, I have to use it on a really flat and solid surface so it doesn't fuck around. Lastly, having a higher reports per second makes the pointer movement really jittery. I'm sure there's a reason for this, but it's one less feature I'll be using.

>>16663865

Don't use a trackball then?

>>16663883

Did you just completely miss the part where I said it is used regularly by Quake pros who use regular mice?

>>16663887

No, I didn't. I'm still waiting for you to give a logical reason why someone should use a trackball mouse.

>>16663895

>I'm still waiting for you to give a logical reason why someone should use a trackball mouse.

Well not fucking up your wrist with carpal tunnel is a good reason.

>>16663890

Is there a better FPS out there?

>>16663898

Depends on your taste. Some people enjoy CoD or Halo, oddly enough. As for competitive, I wouldn't know. I'm not into the scene, but I can only imagine there are a lot of things that need to be set in place to grant fairness in the competition.

THREADLY REMINDER NON-FLAWLESS MICE ARE SHIT

If you don't need a good mouse get a cheapo crap mouse. Otherwise buy one with a good sensor. Anything in-between is an absolute waste of money. It's either good or shit.

>what's a flawless mouse?

Any mouse with a sensor that tracks 1:1 movement consistently, without artifacts and gimmicks. Be careful though, a good sensor alone is not enough, shitty firmware or implementations can fuck things up too, and some mice possess shitty gimmicks like a gyroscope and an accelerometer to inflate their numbers e.g. Logitech G402's 'Fusion Engine', though it can be disabled. but why not get one that doesn't have that

Also there are lots of marketing buzzwords and snake oil floating around (e.g. boasting ludicrous 'DPI' (actually CPI) when it's as relevant as GHz to a CPU).

All in all it's a clusterfuck.

>why can't I just use any random 'gaymen' mouse?

Shitty mice have one or more of the following

<not much better than a generic cheap mouse, yet significantly more expensive and a good mouse which will last longer is just a few bucks extra. A shitty gayming mouse is basically the equivalent of shitty gamepads like GameSir or Logitech F310.

<poor malfunction speed (speed at which mouse tracking accuracy drops, for >muh low sens in FPS)

<poor acceleration (how fast you can accelerate mouse movement, for >muh fast 180's and flicks in FPS)

<firmware or sensor-induced acceleration (cursor movement varies depending on how fast you move your mouse)

<jitter (fast mouse movements produce crests and valley artifacts)

<angle-snapping (vertical and horizontal movements yield perfectly straight lines instead of representing actual movements)

<dithering and other garbage to fill gaps between 2 CPI settings natively supported by sensor, or higher CPI than the sensor supports natively (compromises ability of mouse to track 1:1 movement)

<etc.

Also protip: mice are repairable. infrared LED died? solder a new one. mouse switch chatter? buy a new one for pennies and solder it. mouse feet worn out? make your own (e.g. teflon tape).

>examples of flawless sensors (non-exhaustive)

PMW 3310, 3360, 3366 (logitech's version of latter), 3389 (razer's version), SDNS 3988, 3989

>how can I tell if a mouse is flawless?

Same drill as buying a non-shit computer PSU. Read specs from manufacturer page, then read (hopefully non-shill) reviews or posts from someone who has info to fill in the obvious gaps deliberately left on the official specs page, find info from someone who disassembled it and ran relevant tests (hopefully non-shill as well), find out what its innards are, and hope someone the tests were honest and accurate. And remember,

WHEN IN DOUBT, DON'T BUY

>well this sucks. all this shit just to buy a fucking mouse?

Blame the (((companies))) that make and market them. An informed customer is a hard sell. Their shittiest offerings wouldn't sell if people were informed. Nor would luxury mice, since an overpriced RGB vomit, pro-gayming, e-celeb approved, hand-crafted, gold-plated mouse performs as well as a modest mouse with good internals.

>>16664023

nice pasta

>>16663791

>mouse

Coolermaster MM520, easily best budget mouse you can have with a perfect sensor and no gay soft touch coating

>keyboard

Coolermaster SK650, wanted to see how Cherry MX Red LP felt, pretty good I have to admit

>headphones

Fidelio X2 with Dekoni Elite Velour T50rp pad swapped on

Dekoni Blue

HaaFee HD1 with tentative HM5 flat pleather pads swapped on (probably changing that since they don't seal correctly and the sound is altered when you make the slightest move)

Takstar Pro82

Onkyo A800 with ZMF Ori suede pad swapped on

I know I have a problem with buying way too much headphones

>dac/amp

Fostex HP-A4BL

>monitor

Samsung LC27FG73FQNXZA

>>16664085

At least you don't have a habit of breaking all your cans.

I don't even abuse them, things just sort of break around me, cans are no exception.

>Sennheiser

If you aren't using a sennheiser you're really missing out.

For KB+M just some cheapie logitech shit M331 for the mouse. It makes no click sound which is nice, battery lasts for 24 months.

>>16664121

Funny way of saying SPH9500

I use the Logitech MX Master. It's godtier for productivity and coding and looks great without being rice tier. Probably has a shit sensor and is wireless so latency too, but I don't play shooters, only shit like factorio, and like it and it works for me.

Can confirm that it doesn't have soft touch gel coatings if anyone was curious. That shit is awful and has ruined my old MX500 and my old CoolerMaster mouse.

>>16664103

If you live somewhere where the temperature vary wildly and often it's actually possible that shit breaks without any real misuse

>>16664121

>If you aren't using a sennheiser you're really missing out.

Mudcannon begone

The 58X are pretty good for the money though

So I've got this headset that have the mic and speakers on the same cable that forks down at the end, but apparently the audio from the speakers has started to bleed into the mic, any idea what could be causing it/should I get a new headset?

>>16664255

not enough isolation between the cables, once again headsets area big meme.

>mouse

logitech mx518 legendary master race

>keyboard

old ducky shine 2 with mx browns

>headphones

krk speakers

>dac/amp

rme babyface

>monitors

just 2 random lg 1080p's

>>16663791

Amazon basics mouse, cheap dell membrane keyboard, big sceptre 1920x1080 monitor I got out of a dumpster + school surplus 1280x1024 dell monitor, $25 sony headphones

>mouse

Bondidea T18 or Sven RX-150

>keyboard

Laptop's

>headphones

Sony MDR-XD150

>monitor

Laptop's or Soyny TV when watching movies once in a century

>>16664023

Any of these perfect mouses come with an unlocked scroll wheel like the g700s?

>>16664936

I've got the same headphones; they're pretty good headphones. Do you have the ones that were made in Austria or the later ones which were produced in Slovakia?

>>16663856

I have the same one. It's not bad at all, but I've never actually used any other fight sticks before it to have anything to compare it to.

Do you know if it is any good compared to other sticks?

>playpad4

fuck soyny, these things are made with cheap chink plastic and both the gates are already cracked.

i need a new playpad4 made by a third party that doesn't use cheap chink plastic.

>>16664921

>unlocked scroll wheel

you mean like when you flick the wheel and it keeps spinning? Logitech G502 (PMW 3366) has that. It has a lock that toggles between normal and free scroll, and also horizontal scroll switches. Also G502 Hero (same mouse, hero sensor (newer)). You can find videos on jewtube on the scroll wheel.

That's just one mouse. I'm sure there are more. I strongly encourage you to do your own research.

>>16664936

>non-standard bottom row

why

>>16665004

Hate to ask, but how would I be able to tell?

>>16665127

Because it saved me around 15 bucks in this case.

Is there a mouse than can be easily disassembled to get out hair? A lot of them, like Zowie, put some plastic cover GLUED over the screws so you have to melt the fucking thing with solvent to get access. Can I just have exposed screws right from the start?

>>16665005

It seems solid compared to my old Namco Arcade Sticks for the PS1 And PS2 and maybe later models with an adapter, but I wouldn't know. The Namco sticks had metal chassis, but this one is plastic. The buttons and stick feel the same in my memory. I have never noticed any input delay with the wireless rather than wired connection.

>>16665330

Nice setup. Are corsair keyboards any good? I'm eyeing that exact one for black memeday.

>>16665478

they are ok but not worth the price imho

>>16665131

I'm not a21b3f, but I've used a trackball since I was a small child and I just personally find the convenience of being able to place them anywhere and them work as well as the pure comfort they have to be unparalleled.

>mouse

Razer DeathAdder, it's starting to get the double or triple click syndrome and I was thinking about getting a new mice and modding it if I find resources on that.

>keyboard

WASDkeyboards CODE, expensive but so far outstanding feel and quality

>headphones

Grado SR something, totally open so I am a bit concious of listening to some stuff but the audio is great

>dac/amp

Xonar Card

>monitor

Some Samsung

>>16663791

>mouse

Logitech G203

>keyboard

$20 VicTsing TKL w/ knockoff Cherry Reds

>headphones

Edifier H180

>dac/amp

Realtek HDA

>monitor

Insignia 24" 1080p 144Hz w/ Freesync

>>16665419

The Logitech G100s only has one screw and you can punch through the bottom skid pad to get to it. You'll probably have to buy refurbs on ebay though.

What I wish I had:

>mouse

Glorious Model O

>keyboard

Leopold FC750PD

>headphones

Etymotic ER4SR

>dac/amp

Topping DX7s

>monitor

Asus PG27UQ

>>16665902

Meant to say wouldnt on the headphones unless you can get them cheaper and have smaller ears.

>>16666898

Zowie FK are ambidextrous and have the side buttons on both side iirc

But what you want is one of those abominations with 20 buttons?

>>16666898

Just hold the mouse with your right hand.

>>16665820

Silent mechs do exist. Get something with silent switches or build your own.

Normal keyboards are noisy too. I also have a k120 and the upstroke noise is no less than any mech.

>>16666904

Yeah I've pretty much filled my keyboard with keybinds & I need a few extra 10 buttons.

>>16666907

That's just uncomfy.

If you're not using a wireless mouse in current year +5 then I don't know what to tell you.

>mouse

zowie ec2a - overpriced garbage

>keyboard

cooler master quickfire red switches

>headphones

akg 240g

>dac/amp

schitt fulla2 - it's kinda shit should've bought dac and amp separately

>monitor

cheap asus 1080p ips and cheap asus 1024p ips monitor

why are 99% of all peripherals today black? why did they drop the whole white/beige thing?

>mouse

Logitech G602 and M570

>keyboard

Eagletec KG010

>headphones

Monoprice M560s, HIFIMAN HE400i, Sennheiser HD58X

>dac/amp

FX Audio DAC-X6

>monitor

BenQ ZOWIE XL2411P, XP-Pen Artist 13.3, ASUS PB287Q

>Other

Saturn controller with an adapter so I can use it on PC, a Qanba Q1 which I swapped out the parts with Sanwa parts and painted it red and swapped out the ugly Chinese lettering under the glass with something not ugly, and a Dualshock 3 which I play most games with

>>16665453

>$300 headphones On sale, $400 regular

Are they really that good or is it bullshit?

>>16667767

I never used the HD600s, but I'll let you know that if you get a decent DAC and amp and a good pair of headphones you will have no regrets. It's like using a 144hz monitor, you won't realize how good it is until you use it.

>>16667767

>Senn HD 600

Not worth, the 6XX and 58x exist, and none can into bass to the point where it's actually detrimental for casual vidya and some music genre

They do have good sounstage an imaging so competitive play is a given would still recommend the 6XX/58X over them any day because better value

>MUH EQ

No, they can't into subass and won't even if you shove + 20db in the low end

Not to mention you have to have a decent DAC/AMP for those since they're not that easy to drive

For around that price you could have

>Argon MkIII (bit hard to drive with onboard)

>Dekoni Blue (same as above)

>Fidelio X2

>AKG K712pro / K7XX

>Audio-Technica ATH-A990Z

>M-Audio HDH50

>HiFiman Edition S

Or you could get the SHP9500, pretty good entry level pair for vidya

Would basically never recommend going over much 500, easy way to make a bad purchase and regret it for a long time and diminishing returns kicks in way hard

>>16667841

Get an APC UPS, if possible a discarded / refurb one from a local place, change the battery and you'll have pro grade shit for fairly cheap

>>16667858

Found them a bit too sibilant the build is fairly fragile too.

the M560 are built like tanks, although don't sound as good.

>>16667482

>schitt fulla2

Not just kinda, those are legendary shit

if your good mouse or keyboard takes a shit never fucking go to wal mart and buy the "onn" brand piece of trash thinking it will hold you over because it won't. Within one day the mouse started double clicking and right clicking frmo one left click and the god damned cord is atrociously short so I can't even lean back in my chair like a lazy faggot and browse /v/. Their keyboards are trash too and can expect plenty of bullshit like you hit spacebar once but it registers 3 hits instead of one. The cheap logitech stuff they used to carry always seemed serviceable enough but they've apparently stopped carrying them in all the wal marts i've gone to.

>>16667866

The 560s are fucking great. I wish more headphones had build quality as good. Those would actually be a good recommendation as they can be found for $100-$150, sound great, and like you said are built like a fucking tank. My only issue were the pads which I swapped out with Brainwavz pads.

>>16667886

Go back to walmart and get a refund. They have a great return policy.

>>16667902

>I wish more headphones had build quality as good

There's the Denon 5200/7200/9200, but those are a price bracket above, basically chink made fostex th-610/900 (same driver fairly similar cups)

>>16663791

>mouse

Logitech G500s.

Have had for ~5 years. Zero issues, it's a well-built thing - especially the cord.

>keyboard

Ducky Shine 2 with brown switches.

Also had for about 5 years I think. Since last year the numlock LED wouldn't turn on but it has repaired itself very recently. Still feels very nice, easy to clean, build quality is top notch.

>headphones

Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro.

Owned this for probably 7 years now. Again extremely good quality product, probably the best build quality of any peripheral I have ever owned. Too big for traveling though, something I underestimated when I first bought it.

>monitor

Dell UltraSharp U3011.

It's an aging 30 inch 16:10 2560x1600 IPS display, this is currently my main display. Bought it about a year ago off a guy for a mere 100 euro's. It's been a very nice experience though now I know I can never ever return to a smaller resolution or a different aspect ratio.

>>16663886

I've used a similar mouse before. Very comfy once you get used to it.

>>16667588

I like the g710+. Tried a lot of switches but the browns+o-rings continue to be my favorite.

>>16667736

g602 is great. Everyone gives me shit for being wireless but it's got just as good a response time as most wired and I don't have to deal with the wire at all for precise movements.

>mouse

Logitech g602

>keyboard

g710+

>headset

g933 black

>speakers

Bose front end, 18in sub, External DAC from like the 90's, some shitty surround speakers installed in the ceiling

>monitor

Primary Acer 27'' 1440p 60Hz IPS 4ms

Secondary some crappy 1080p LED

>Other peripherals

Large table size mousepads (TCG playmats)

Saitek X45 HOTAS

Xbox, Wii U Pro, Switch Pro, and Steam controllers

Also Steam's streaming box wired to another TV.

>>16663791

YOu already posted my mouse, OP. I personally don't recommend it for playing games, the rubber on the sides wears really easily, and while it generally feels good in the hand, it's quite large and gets your palms all sweaty because there's no room to breathe like with a smaller mouse. The buttons are very nice, the scroll wheel is fine though after using it for about a year, it's lately begin to feel slightly stiff to me, not sure why. The box said that it being a wired mouse was a feature, which gave me a chuckle.

>>16668495

I just got one yesterday because I was really tired of handicapping myself using a trackball for a year in FPS games. I am thoroughly enjoying it although it could just be because this is the first real mouse I've used in so long. The side buttons feel amazing and I really like how it fits in my hand. I can definitely see how the rubber will wear down, years back I owned a G502 and after a good 3 years of using that thing the rubber pretty much disintegrated.

>>16668404

The G710+ is great I love the thing. I also got it for a great price around $45 i believe. The "/?" Key was a bit stuck for the first few months i had it but it cleared itself out. Works perfect now.

>>16668579

Yeah the G710+ is definitely great.

Cheap MX switches-All back lit, 18 macro buttons, and it even has a Volume Slider.

Absolute Steal of a keyboard.

>>16670374

durable? just go cheap and but 10. eventually one of them will randomly last years and never die.

>>16670374

Logitech. The ones with optical scrollwheel.

Or learn to fix shit and never worry again. Everything break, sooner or later.

>>16670374

>This actually looks pretty good.

>What's Coolermaster's Software like?

Bad and good

Bad part is it's nested in their platform, so you have the main portal for all things CM then you have the individual control panels, I think you can start the individual control panels without the mainb portal though just don't know how.

Other than that the control panel for the mouse itself is clear and easy to use, even has the MS control panel sliders right there so you don't have to go look for them

It has the usual button reassignment thing for every button, the usual modifier key to change the action on every other button if you need that

But more importantly it has sensor control with the ability to set 4 DPI levels you can hotswap (with linked / unlinked X and Y speeds for the few games that fuck that up), polling rate (125 / 250 / 500 / 1000, all stable for me), tuneable angle snapping (not that most people want it but might come in handy I dunno and a high / low lift off distance setting

>>16670374

I have the one you pictured (G602). About 6+ years now with only minor issues. The plastic "clicky" part underneath each mouse button can get stuck, but nothing opening it up and using a can of compressed air can't fix. The battery life is fantastic, so running through batteries isn't too much an issue.

k70 with brown keys

corsair scimitar

astro a50 no amp

VG248 asus monitor

don't know what to do about better sound quality probably because i've listen to shit all my life.

>>16663791

>Mouse

Zowie fk1

intellimouse

>Keyboard

HHKB pro2

>Headphones

Etymotic er4xr

Chink IEMs

>dac/amp

Chord mojo

>Monitor

benq xl2430z

>>16670462

>Bad and good

>Bad part is it's nested in their platform, so you have the main portal for all things CM then you have the individual control panels, I think you can start the individual control panels without the mainb portal though just don't know how.

The Tyon is the opposite. It uses un-nested software. (The old Roccat software, which was discontinued because normalniggers found it too "overwhelming")

I've used the software before on a Kone and it seemed pretty good, along with the mouse.

Their is only 2 problems with it.

1 The big price tag, though you can get it for sale on amazion.

2 It uses a laser optic which I've heard mixed things about.

>>16670486

>2 It uses a laser optic which I've heard mixed things about.

Laser automatically means

>uneven tracking speed on anything but a very even surface

>tracking varies a lot based on what you're using as your pad

>acceleration

>Higher LOD

There's also very few high end laser sensor a due tho the above there's little info because they're inherently not perfect sensors so the usual autist don't care, so you won't know about angle snapping / prediction etc which some of those sensor have.

You can also sometimes get the nasty surprises like industrial sensors that track on 3 axis, what it means in practical use is that lifting you mice move the cursor in a diagonal

>>16670518

>what it means in practical use is that lifting you mice move the cursor in a diagonal

Bleck. I'll pass then.

>>16670576

Heh I used to have that exact keyboard. Was kind of cool but entirely pointless and I replaced it with some cheap $5 one from (((amazon))) that works better

>>16671916

My dad switched to the same mouse recently. Said hand issues. Doing great now though.

>mouse

Logitech G502

>keyboard

Logitech G710+ bought used

>headphones

Beyerdynamic DT 990

>dac/amp

Had a Soundblaster for a while, realized I couldn't tell a difference between it and the motherboard sound and sold it

>monitor

Acer XF240H and Dell S2415H

>stick

Hori RAP EX with a MKX PS4 pad PCB in it

>pad

PS4

>mouse

Razer Abyssus 2014

>keyboard

most cheap idk mark

>headphones

shit for 5$

>dac/amp

no use

>monitor

Acer 27" 60Hz

>>16672641

I realize this mouse is a joke and gets shit on constantly, but I owned one for more than five years and loved it absolutely. It really was a great mouse

>>16672650

it only works for certain grips. It's completely unusable to me.

>>16670540

>razer membrane keyboard

>not even a scissor-switch keyboard

Why does that piece of shit even exist.

>>16672899

>confusing membrane with rubber dome

Mm520 is actually fucking nice for 35$

Thanks for recommending anon.

It feels like it’s going to last longer than the g502 did, but time will tell.

Fits better than the Logitech mouse did anyways, and it has way, way better software.

Btw, the way you launch the mouse software outside of the nested software is that you install the mouse then you should get a file named “mm520” or whatever it is that pops up.

You can then open this up and edit your mouse’s settings without opening the nested software.

>>16672916

That keyboard is membrane rubber dome, but not scissor-switch, you stupid nigger.

>>16681972

Zowie mice are about as overrated as Razer mice in my experience.

90% of the mouse is down to how it feels in the hand. But you can’t tell how it feels in the hand over the internet so you should just go to a store and ask them to open the box and try out the mouse in your hand.

I did that with the mm520 and realized my grip fit it better than all the mainstream mice.

You should also stay away from soft rubber as it degrades into a icky texture after a few months.

The sensors do make a difference, but whatever the sensor turns out to be you will adjust to it anyways. Laser sensors are generally worse than optical.

Another tip for mice is to buy ones that have the left and right mouse buttons separate from the frame.

Optical mouse wheels are better/more durable than membrane wheels.

Also make sure the software doesn’t suck.

So basically if the mm520 had an optical mouse wheel I’d have the perfect mouse right now, so I might look into modding it.

>>16683716

DM1 FPS

Takstar Pro 82 / Cooolermaster MH751

>>16683716

if you don't need sideways mousewheeling and a dozen buttons, the Logitech M100 is cheap, reliable, and has served me for years

>>16683727

All I need is a few buttons to remap to when I'm doing 3D work. Or when I need to use the mouse in my left hand. A few macros is good as well.

>>16683726

>Takstar

I'll pass on that, don't want chinese goods to BTFO my ears when they short circuit like my current ones are.

>Coolermaster MH751

Could be interesting, I might end up splurging on some sennheisers, forgot they existed until just now.

>>16683716

For headphones you want Cloud Alpha’s if you want a headset

Better speakers than 99% of headsets.

No RGB retardation. No retarded software unlike Logitech, frame is actually metal, unlike Logitech. Basically if you are getting a headset get anything other than Logitech.

The Cloud Alpha’s are durable and have good sound sill using them today with minimal wear.

For headphones with no mic, just get whatever the audio junkies are fapping over. I here Audio Technica has good headphones.

As far as mice go. You can get an older roccat kone. Very durable, no RGB. Good sensor. God tier mouse wheel.

Or you could get a different mouse with RGB and then turn it off in the software. I have a mm520 now and it seems durable enough.

I wouldn’t recommend Logitech mice because I have been burned by them twice now. Also their software sucks dick and is a performance hog.

>>16683727

M100 is great for its price range, only problem with it is the low dpi. I mean, anything above 4000 dpi is a meme that shouldn't factor in your choice of mice, but 1000 is also too low.

>>16683747

>I wouldn’t recommend Logitech mice because I have been burned by them twice now. Also their software sucks dick and is a performance hog.

You don't have to use the software unless you use meme features such as multiple button profiles or game specific profiles. The important settings such as dpi presets, RGB behavior and mouse acceleration on/off/levels are stored in the mouse's memory, so you can just uninstall the software after you configure them.

>>16683743

> I might end up splurging on some sennheisers, forgot they existed until just now.

A decent pair of Senn is way over $70 , in fact there really nothing but chifi (or grey imports of said chifi) worth the price in that range.

If you're gonna splurge on headphones there's better than Senn in the 150-250 range.

>>16683779

Except that’s not how their software works.

In order to fully use the mouse you need to not only have it installed but have it running in the background to have any reprogrammed buttons.

Fucking Cooler Master allows you to have reprogramed buttons stored on memory.

Logitech’s software sucks and it does lock you into using it.

>>16683817

>In order to fully use the mouse you need to not only have it installed but have it running in the background to have any reprogrammed buttons.

>Fucking Cooler Master allows you to have reprogramed buttons stored on memory.

That might depend on the mouse model, some do, some don't. I don't often reprogram buttons, but I know from experience that the Logitech G402 for example does store reprogrammed buttons in memory. When I used one, I swapped b4 and b5 with the dpi switch buttons, and it kept working without the software.

>>16683906

It's really gonna depend on what switches he had and how long you typed on it

But usually the more consistent key press response and lighter feel is what people like because it makes typing less fatiguing.

>>16683906

A big meme, if you're not going for the following:

>better and cheaper chink clones of cherry mx (gateron, kalih)

>literal light switches like flaretech switches (wooting one for example)

>super overpriced rubber dome with slider like topre

>ear-piercing but will give you immense finger gains buckling springs found in model Ms and Fs

>clickly alp clones with a 'standard' mounting for keycaps

>nuke-surviving MAGNETIC REED SWITCHES that you can only be found by some chink handmaking these super meme keyboards

you're ultra retarded

on a bonus side

>ignore clones of cherry mx that have retarded 'improvements', see romer g for better rgb for example.

>>16683926

>no hall effect switch

casual

>>16683906

I'm gonna give you an unironic answer. I bought one for the following

>durability

By far the main reason (assuming you research a good one). Today's cheap rubber dome membrane keyboards are shit (shitty spacebar, keys get stuck, 2KRO, fading letters, mushy feeling, etc.) unless you spend some money ($30+).

At that point why the fuck not spend some more and get a better keyboard for $50-90?

>repairability

chatter? switch breaks? spend 1 dollar, unsolder old one, solder a new one. done.

broken or lost keycaps? keycap shine? buy new ones (ease depends on whether bottom row is standard and what type of switches (Cherry MX-compatible, Topre, Alps, etc.) you have)

>NKRO

cheap shitty keyboards are 2KRO which is absolutely unacceptable (e.g. can't press down+left+Space).

Only downside is when a keyboard employs ugly hacks to achieve NKRO (like emulating many keyboards), yielding some problems (for example holding CTRL+Backspace results in CTRL,Backspace,CTRL,Backspace), instead of doing things the right way. Thankfully plenty of keyboards let you switch between 6KRO and NKRO.

>>16683926

>>16684449

>>16683921

Thanks, which mechanical keyboards would you recommend for a budget choice? It's about time I got an upgrade.

>>16685157

>Thanks, which mechanical keyboards would you recommend for a budget choice

No idea what the CURRENT good budget boards are. I can give you some well known keyboards as a starting point. They're all full keyboards with Cherry MX or clones that don't require any shitty vendor software in the background. TKL keyboards are cheaper (~$10 less), but I prefer having a numpad. Prices listed are what I found through online searches, you can find them cheaper if you get them on sale.

>Magicforce 108 (around $70)

100% layout. USB. NKRO/6KRO toggle. Gateron switches. Double shot (i.e. won't fade ever) ABS keycaps. No vendor software required.

>Plugable mechanical keyboard (MSRP $75-85)

USB. NKRO only (no idea about issues). Outemu switches. Double shot ABS keycaps. No vendor software required.

>Rosewill RK-9000v2 (around $80)

6KRO via USB, NKRO only via PS/2. Cherry MX switches. ABS laser printed keycaps (very resistant to fading). No vendor software required. Has no Menu key (replaced by Fn key)

>Ducky Zero (around $80; likely discontinued, not shown on ducky's page anymore)

USB. 6KRO/NKRO toggle. Cherry MX switches. double shot keycaps (ABS and PBT available). No vendor software required

>Ducky One and One Two (newer) (around $85 for cheapest versions)

USB. 6KRO/NKRO toggle. has bells and whistles like programmable macros. Cherry MX switches. double shot keycaps (ABS and PBT available). No vendor software required

>Kingston HyperX Alloy FPS (around $80)

USB. 6KRO/NKRO toggle. Cherry MX switches. thin ABS laser-etched keycaps. No vendor software required.

Note: there's plenty of shit I left out (e.g. ISO vs ANSI layout, stabilizers (e.g. costar, cherry), switch types (actuation force, clicky vs linear etc.), standard bottom row (easier to find replacement keycaps)), especially the more autistic stuff (keycap profiles, plate vs PCB mount, chassis vs exposed plate, switch top removal support, yadda yadda)

Remember to DO YOUR RESEARCH:

I remember being really pissed when a Thermaltake Poseidon Z I had bought on a recomendation developed chatter in 6 months (common issue for that keyboard). I was also appalled when I found it had those fragile wire stabilizers from shitty keyboards (unacceptable for an $80 keyboard), and thanks to the lack of NKRO toggle and its shitty NKRO implementation, certain keys would register alternatingly when held down (e.g. \ and a yielded \a\a\a\a or \\aa\\aa\\aa), making it impossible to switch TTYs or use REISUB on Lunix (CTRL/ALT, function keys, and letters were on separate 'keyboards').

>>16683865

Why are you fucking lying?

I’ve dealt with and still have to deal with Logitech’s software because I use macros on my keyboard.

Macros don’t fucking work without the software running in the background.

Without Logitech’s software you basically just have an overpriced office mouse with no customization.

And this is just mice. Not counting the dozens of other bullshit things they do for other products, all nested with their bloated software.

Are you a shill?

>>16667809

I have 2 of those monitors but I dont really see the greatness of them. I mean they are good but its not like the games I play require it so much. I think im gonna get the SHP9500 or the 6XX, since I really always heard Sennheisers are that great.

>>16685157

gmmk reddit keyboard

>>16684376

good meme too

>>16686253

Actually I take the thing about the monitors back, I just checked, and I was sitting at 60hz and yeah I miss 144hz. Gonna switch to that.

>>16686260

>buy HFR monitor

>run it at 60Hz

It's more likely than you think

>>16685832

>Poseidon Z

Poseidon Z Illuminated*. Plain Poseidon Z didn't have NKRO.

What makes a good mousepad?

The one I'm using now is a Steelseries pad that came with WoW Cataclysm, which means it's now coming on nine years old, and is by a couple years the oldest component in my entire setup. It's done a fine enough job that I haven't had to think about it, but the bottom is starting to crumble and it'll need to be replaced soon. What should I be looking for in a replacement?

>>16692093

find one on sale, buy a few to swap out and clean when it gets dirty

https://vidoza.net/embed-bjqei8t1erio.html

>>16686088

Love the g600 personally since I need all of its features for productivity. But unfortunately I'm having double click issues with it. Too retarded and lazy to get another switch and attempt to solder it. And it's REALLY fucking annoying that you can't access the screws without destroying the skates. Had to order another pair of skates for like $4 and I'm hoping once I take it apart and drown it in alcohol the double clicking problem will go away. Also going to take out the retarded fucking weights that are inside of it. Still, it's a pretty cheap and very feature rich mouse that I absolutely could not live without.

>>16683906

I've considered this myself. I've been thinking about buying this

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Keycool-84-mini-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-clear-switch-brown-PBT-keycap-mini84-compact-game-keyboard/32876634360.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.99999999.259.76e63c00EWwjIG

for awhile now. It's the only keyboard that meets my autistic standards and I could only find it on this chink site. I'm going to head to the shop to test out some mechanical keyboards to see if it's really worth it first though.

Where can I go to try out keyboards before I buy one? I've got an old ancient monstrosity that is clunky, but I've never used anything mechanical or with color-coordinated switches or anything, and some of the types are loud as fuck which would drive me up the wall. RadioShack and BestBuy are glorified cell phone carriers now.

>>16668098

After having a G500 for 5 or so years, I can say its a great mouse. Just recently had problems with it. Double left clicks and sometimes the sensors bug out and only displaces in a diagonal fashion. It only lasts a few seconds but then it normalizes.

>keyboard

Had the Genius SlimStar 110 for a very long time. One day I switched to SteelSeries APEX 300. Great keyboard until it wasn't. One day, I spilled some jew sugared nectar on it. No biggie. I cleaned it and then some keys started to act funny. Cleaned it again and again, double dryed it, and still keys would act funny. That week BullyHunters shit happened. I used it as target practice.

I got a Genius KB130. Worst keyboard ever. Keys would jam, or not respond at all. I stabbed it repeatedly one night after a tipsy gayming session.

Bottom line, this week I got desperate looking for a used Genius SlimStar 110. Best budget keyboard ever.

>>16692321

YEET

>>16694052

I just read in this thread that some anon can resolder switches. Ill try this.

What can I do about the diagonal displacement lockage?

>>16693866

The source of the clicking problem are the tiny springs inside the microswitches. You can open them up and re-tension them so they work again.

https://www.instructables.com/id/Repair-mouse-with-double-click-problem/

I did this with a Naga that had the double click thing and it stopped.

But yeah the glider skates thing is a pain.

>>16694139

No, if you are needing more keys on your keyboard to hotkey simply moving your hand over from WASD to ESDF can do a lot.

>>16664023

>GameSir

>shitty

Yeah fuck you.

Just out of curiosity, which one of you fags is actually browsing here with a CRT?

>>16695096

How is this with android phones compared to the gamesir controllers that are wired and connect to computer?

Android phones (and iphones I don't fuckin' know) have massive input delay.

>>16694851

Eh I think I watched a video on fixing the switches and it looked a little too involved for me. The problem is intermittent so I'm hoping its something alcohol can fix. I saw some guy who cut out holes in his skates for the screws, so I might try that since I think my order comes with a spare, then if it all works out I can just pop it open for a cleaning or even attempt to fix the switch down the road. Fucking nigger mouse companies always jewing us, should be illegal to make a product this annoying to pop open.

>>16695260

>Xim

How does it feel compared to using a kb+m on pc? Also how many times have you been flamed for using it? Any time I see the Xim being used is see salty fags everywhere claiming it's cheating cause they are primitive cavemen who still use a stick to aim.

>>16695339

Dunno, it arrives tomorrow. I can't imagine it'd be 1:1, but everything I've heard is that it's pretty damned close to playing with M&KB on PC once you spend some time tweaking and dialing it in. You gotta set up for each game individually, but I think there are community profiles you can download as well.

And honestly, I'll probably be using it mostly for co-op shit. It really is a comfort issue with me, and I'm not really into competitive play, but I imagine I'll probably get dragged into a few matches by my friends who want to use me as an advantage. So far as I'm concerned, it's not cheating. You'll still operating within the parameters of the game as set by the developers, just using a non-standard interface. Nobody complains about people who use flight sticks for aviation, or arcade sticks for fighters, or steering wheels for racers. Hell, they don't even bitch about the "pro" controllers with extra buttons for custom macros. So why is it a problem with M&KB? There is no such thing as competitive play on living-room TVs with a controller on shooters anyhow.

>>16695363

If you're using a mouse for a console shooter it's basically cheating. It's not comparable to other games because the leap from stick aim is so huge that it's insane. Not that I'm opposed to it, I think cheating is hilarious.

>>16665902

what has the same fun suond like the dt 770's but has bigger cans ?

>>16696347

Probably the Fostex TR-X00 / TH-X00

>>16694996

I mean really, it's all you need

>>16698565

people get really hung up on peripherals. any keyboard is fine, but get a quiet mechanical one if you want something nice. i like brown switches. but its completely optional and does nothing to make you any more/less effective in a game over a $5 membrane keyboard. you can spend $10 and get one that'll outlast the lettering on the keys.

a regular 2 button mouse is fine, but i guess i can see one with more buttons for certain commands and hotkeys, . finding one that you find more comfortable is more important if you find a basic mouse uncomfortable, but after that, who cares?

nothing wrong with buying a reliable product, but often basic products are just as reliable if not more reliable than premium products.

PS2 > USB

>>16698663

>a regular 2 button mouse is fine

Not really, even for basic usage the back / forward button are pretty much mandatory.

>>16698814

Hitting Ctrl to crouch is the gayest shit. Binding it to a side mouse button is superior

Hey member that time mark got a stick up his ass and kept deleting these threads saying take it to /tech/ and then banned people? Good times

>>16698789

Get ready for the buttons to wear rapidly. You'll lose middle click and you'll get double clicking on M1/2 within a year. I've gone through three of those mice and while I love the layout I couldn't put up with the piss poor manufacturing any longer.

>>16698747

>for basic usage the back / forward button are pretty much mandatory.

the scroll wheel?

>>16663791

bought the new mx518 after loving the old one back in the day

most comfortable mouse i've ever owned

>>16698818

i use C to crouch. because crouch starts with C.

>>16698839

melee should be F.

grenade is G

reload is R

the rest you mentioned can easily just be mapped to any key on the keyboard.

i dont really play MMOs though, but its not because i dont like them, its because im just not a huge casual faggot.

>>16698861

great mouse. i just never got the pattern. looks like metallic obesity and pockmarks.

>>16698916

>A casual player

what game are you playing thats so hard that you cant slide your index finger slightly to tap a button?

>>16698931

>can't even grasp the concept of seeking better setups to have a better experiences

>think's it's for making stuff easier out of necessity

Just keep playing any way you want if you're fine with it. Just accept that some people don't settle for less when they have the option for more.

In my case, I'm a guy that always changes the key mappings to be the more intuitive and comfortable to use. Also making macros to cut out unecessary and repetitive actions, like entering menus and having to select the same option every time to do some simple shit you do way too often.

A mouse with many buttons is fucking paradise to me. Specially in games or apps where you need to press a hotkey or combo of sorts and then click something to apply the command to or vice versa. A macro on the mouse cuts that action to just clicking the damn thing with the assignated button without even having to touch the keyboard.

It's all about the convenience. Also, only after trying and playing with a setup like this for a while, that you realize how worse the usual setups are when trying to return to them. It's kinda like trying to play an older game with default tank turning controls but that has fully working strafing functionality, it's just mapped retardly because casuals didn't realize how mouselook was vastly superior than turning keys and how strafing keys were much more useful when used with it.

>>16698842

>>16698789

I had that mouse too, it's absolute garbage. Wore down after a year. Should have gotten the g402. I've had it for 3 years and it hasn't presented a single issue and I've played all kinds of games with it.

>>16699016

kek

>>16698931

>>16699001

They can be beneficial no doubt, but there are downsides to having mice with buttons as well, at least at the highly competitive end of things for FPS games and games that required incredibly specific and controlled mouse movements. It's likely better to switch weapons in an AFPS with your keyboard rather than your mouse since the action of pressing your mouse button can arguably impact your aim. But even as an avid AFPS player I still use the g600 because I've gotten so incredibly used to the buttons.

Really "mmo gaymin" mice shine most importantly in giving you the ability do maneuver in your general computing tasks and gaymin while still being able to fondle your testicles and twirl your taint hairs. And so it's an essential piece of equipment to me to maximize my comfy levels.

>>16695096

I found out something interesting with that particular model. It recalibrates every time you restart it. If you hold the stick in any direction on startup, it fucks the whole thing up. Haven't ever had that problem with the other model I have that they no longer produce.