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>want to play a game like Sonic Battle against other players with their own different personal move-sets

>mfw the only thing even slightly close to this is Combot mirror matches in TTT2, which nobody in the world does ever

Games that aren't RPGs are completely devoid of actual, in-depth customisation these days, and even RPGs are mostly surface-level cosmetic shit to please double-digit-IQ normalfaggoys so more costume parts can be sold as microtransactions.

>>16657497

>when you play again, you likely get a different set of drops

Cards in Sonic Battle aren't save-file dependent, once you unlock them you keep them no matter how many times you do story mode.

>>16652092

>How the fuck is anyone expected to get every skill Sonic Battle without sinking hundreds of hours into it? Grinding is one thing but it does not belong in a story-heavy game. What are some other games where the grind is so damn absurd that it isn't worth it?

But why would you need them when:

>1) The Default Air Shoot can be exploited to get OHKOs even against people who are defending against Shoot attacks

>2) SEGA already handed out the best skills with cheat codes you input in their in-game building

>3) You can already create loadouts that have bullshit good movesets

>>16652104

It's a rough-edged diamond. The combat system is satisfying beyond belief, especially for a handheld, a lot of the mechanics are super cool (props to whomever thought that jumping off the wall after being knocked into it should launch you at super sayan speeds), the campaign gets really challenging since you start from square 1 all the time if you're using that chapter's main character (though Emerl goes from nobody to a fucking nightmare to its enemies) and all the characters have movesets that fit their role, even with the occasional shitter like Chaos.

The music is awesome, all the sound effects are just right and it gets pretty intense in the last parts of the game, story-wise it's nothing special but it adds more to the Sonic Lore with Gerald Robotnik confirmed being a really good person and Eggman being right all along except when he isn't, Emerl is genuinely one of the best characters in the series not really because of character development, no one cares about that faggy stuff, but because having the ability to fully customize your own not Mokujin is fucking awesome, they force you to have 300 points tops and some of it is wasted on coloring Emerl, but if you use some cheating device to pump it to 999 you can get some really intense battles on multiplayer.

Graphically, other than the sprites it looks like shit, the level design is some uninspired shit, it's just a bunch of squares, the extra content is also really boring for such a good battle game. Multiplayer CAN be fun but you need to turn off special cards (there's some that are basically a OHKO undefendable), and really, nobody who wants to play multi fucking uses any of the main characters for a reason.

I cannot stress enough how fucking fun it is to customize Emerl, even though the cards drop at random this actually increases the fun factor since you need to adapt to what the game throws at you whenever you're forced to use him, shit gets really intense and you really grow your understanding of the game with the character itself. Any other game with similarly satisfying character enhancements?

>>16658340

I would worry about the game being balanced before I worried about muh e-sports ease of access.

>>16659407

>Even if those edited characters wouldn't all be identical, I'm sure that their playstyles would be.

Let's start with this question, then. What is it that makes a fighting game where you can't customise the movesets balanced? Almost every character in Tekken 7 has an i10 jab and an i15 launcher, but the top 8 players at Combo Breaker this year all used different characters with varying playstyles.

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>>16658320

I couldn't sleep too well tonight for how hot it was so I kind of came up with a solution to this.

Instead of having a fully customizable moveset, I think it would be best if it was done in "chunks", if that makes any sense. A competitive game with customizable movesets would theoretically star characters that are "moddable" themselves, so in my head I thought of various kinds of robots with parts coming from all ages of the sci-fi spectrum, from those ipod looking bastards from the 2000's to zeerust contraptions to more practical battlebots or scrap metal shit.

Basically, the robots would be divvied up in these parts:

>the head

>the torso (which also changes your stance to show it off)

>the arms

>the legs

>a secondary weapon that is fitted in either the back, the front or the shoulders

In a way, each of said objects will change your available movesets dramatically, but only as far as ONE particular kind of moves. For instance, changing your legs not only changes your hurtbox, but also changes all crouching attacks to those of that pair of legs' moveset, while the rest remain unchanged. Similarly for all the other parts, except the secondary weapon also adding more weight to the character, so you get extra health and options in exchange for speed and a tinier hurtbox/frame.

Each body part would be extremely distinctive, so that picking one over the other can be immediately relayed to the opponent (which is a big must, since if it wants to be competitive it has to at least appear as a fair battle where you can think ahead of time what your opponet's and your options are without thinking too much) with the only real customization option is selecting from a bunch of colors and textures for parts that don't really hinder your read of the enemy's parts. Balance could be handled by making sure that the movesets only pick one among pairs (tris if it goes for balanced moves) of options, like startup animation speed vs. damage output, range/space covered vs. follow up animation speed, gimmicks like puppet moves vs. damage taken etc.

>>16660815

How many moves would there even have to be to make a fulfilling game with a system like that? I imagine that if a game with a stances system like that did pick up steam, there would inevitably be a best combination for each "style" that would get played, but I'm much more okay with that than a single winning moveset. It might end up like TCGs where there are a few decks that dominate the meta, but casual players still get to have their fun and occasionally rogue decks come along and mix things up competitively.

The best way to make movesets immediately recognisable, at least with the base "roster" of options, would probably be to have a cast of fighting game staples to begin with. The all-rounder/shotoclone, the grappler, the Bruce Lee clone, rushdown, zoner, footsies, and then divide those characters up further, such as the grappler having a range of moves from pro-wrestling to lucha libre to CQC.

>>16666208

>How many moves would there even have to be to make a fulfilling game with a system like that?

I guess the standard fare of low, standing, grabs etc. maybe with some special move tied to the "weaker" movesets to rebalance them, like a command grab in exchange of pitiful crouching attacks or whatever.

>It might end up like TCGs where there are a few decks that dominate the meta, but casual players still get to have their fun and occasionally rogue decks come along and mix things up competitively.

Competitive games always turn up like that, that's why I'm saying it's best to start it as a casual game and rebalance with buffs rather than nerfs from there once a meta is established.

>The best way to make movesets immediately recognisable, at least with the base "roster" of options, would probably be to have a cast of fighting game staples to begin with

Yeah good point

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>>16660815

Ever played rengoku?

>>16667120

The only other problem I've had in formulating this kind of game in my head is how the single-player would work. For competitive to be completely balanced then everyone would need the same move pool, so having moves unlock through a story mode would put people off, but that's the easiest way of having progression that I can think of in the single-player. Selling moves in lootboxes would be the ultimate cancer, and only unlocking cosmetic stuff from the single-player would mean that everyone who only ever played it for the multiplayer would look too similar.

>>16667354

>play the first level

>equip the claw I'm given in one hand and the gun I'm given in the other as that seems like a given

>reach the first boss

>he has a gun for a head

>check the equip screen when I first get the chance

>you can equip the gun in the head slot

Fuck yeah motherfucker.