/v/ - Video Games

something that bugs the shit out of me about gta 5, more than it probably should is the way you can rotate cars in mid air. i disliked the physics in general for all the shit 4 got I loved the more realistic approach to things.

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>>16622069

>5 has the better story.

Explain yourself.

>>16622107

>it was a tech demo

thats the same thing a lot of /v/ says about HL2 and it keeps being shit on too

>>16621981

What is THE most alive world in an open world video game?

>>16622225

skyrim

>>16622107

>You can kill other players in GTA 4 this easily

The fuck? Do they not give a shit about balance? This kind of thing is why GTA 4 never became a esport.

>>16621981

Because it didn't try to be a morally pretentious mouthpiece that only appeased Rockstar's critics at the expense of anything engaging or fun for the consumer.

For me V is the worst 3D GTA.

>>16622428

Grand theft auto 5 was neither engaging nor fun

>>16622531

GTA IV was fun and you will never prove me otherwise

>So why do you act as if it is a better game?

Who the fuck is doing that you stupid cunt

>>16622234

Driving in vanilla GTA4 is bad but GTA5 went to the opposite extreme and in the end it's even worse due to how bland and neutered it is, all cars feel exactly the same except some being slower and others faster, and they often feel as if they're on rails. At least in GTA4 all cars have very distinct handling.

Best driving is GTA4 with mods that make the driving physics a bit less floaty.

Why would anyone want to play a game about niggers and their stupid hoodrat shit?

>>16622880

You still haven't proven me otherwise :^)

>>16621981

GTA 5 has much better car handling which is a very important part of game based on driving getaway cars and outracing people.That being said the whole setting for GTA 5 I find to be much less interesting then Liberty city. The city feels less alive to me and the constant sunny weather gets boring. Switching from character to character never did anything for me and was mostly just annoying.

who cares? both are trash. go back to cuckchan stupid gta nigger

>>16621981

Gta IV was too serious, too in love with itself and its moral standing on the current issues. It picked sides. Immigrants sound awful, no offense, I am sure it is the same if it were the other way round. Audio was miles below the previous games in all regards. I have not played V because little /v/ said it is not worth it and I should be playing Hyperdimension Neptunia and nepping my nep like it owes me nep.

Los Santos and the surrounding country is much better than boring and drab Liberty City. West Coast > East Coast.

>>16622065

>for all the shit 4 got I loved the more realistic approach to things.

4 is just as unrealistic, just in a different way. GTA IV is so floaty it's stuck in permanent moon gravity. V tightened up the physics which it less floaty but arguably less interesting then IVs. Of course IVs implementation of Bullet was also quite buggy with shit like the Swing Set of death and payphones that explode when you touch them.

Why I like GTA5 more than GTA4:

>car upgrades

>offroad driving

>bicycles

>gun upgrades

>can go inside (admittedly very few) buildings

>>16622225

>most alive open world

runescape classic

>>16623238

>>can go inside (admittedly very few) buildings

I think GTA V might actually have more interiors overall then IV, even if you don't count the mission specific locations, between the 3 safe houses at any given time plus the various gas stations and liquor stores scattered around the game world (that you can actually rob)

The fact that it has a fleshed out online portion of the game thats constantly updated with more things to do is what makes gta V the better game. Regardless of how much better or worse the story is its still a linear story that will be the same every time so it will lack replay value because of that. I haven't once considered playing gta IV again in the decade since I finished it yet I still play gta V regularly and so I've gotten 10x the amount of enjoyment out of it in the last few years its been out on PC than the last 10 years gta IV has been out on PC.

Maybe I'm weird but I don't rate games in the same way I rate movies, I value the games I can spend hundreds of hours in more than I value the 2 hour walking simulator with brilliant storytelling. If I thought story was the most important part of a game I would just watch movies and not play games.

>>16623253

>If I thought story was the most important part of a game I would just watch movies [read books] and not play games.

>>16623360

wrong board m8

>>16623321

Books are just a more primitive form of storytelling just like sports are a more primitive form of games. Sure theres people that still enjoy them but movies and shows are a more popular form of storytelling now for a reason just like video games are a more popular form of game now for a reason.

>>16621981

>I'm too old for this shit

Michael was actually not too old for this shit. The whole point of his character is that he doesn't want to be too old, and is trying to relive his youth by doing crazy shit just for the heck of it.

>lol I'm so crazy and a randem psychopath!!

Trevor was the comic relief, what did you expect?

or

>nigga

Franklin is actually the opposite of that. You're thinking of Lamar who is supposed to be a total parody of the typical ghetto nigger.

He's constantly trying to stop being a nigger, and for that he's getting a lot of shit from literally every nigger he knows.

>>16622799

>GTA4 with mods

This is the correct answer. Fix the physics to be less floaty, improve the combat significantly, improve the graphics to remove the brown/blue filter, improve NPC AI, add the police missions from 3, VC, and SA back into the game, make the GF's and your cousin leave you the hell alone so your cell phone isn't constantly going off, etc. GTA4 is alright, but it needs some modding to be great. Kinda like STALKER.

>>16623405

Far better than console if you mod it up and throw some graphical enhancement shit on there.

>>16622065

> the way you can rotate cars in mid air.

Someone never got the San Fierro's driving school

>>16623428

Nigga~~ is the best part of V though.

does this game work on linux

>>16622081

>crowbshill

>>16621981

Everything Rockstar produces or has produced has always been and always will be overrated shallow trash that only braindead retards find worth their time.

>>16625759

>calling crowbcat a shill

hahahahahahaha

if you want a nice handling mod, I suggest this one. It's an old video, yes, but the handling is really nice.

4 was nothing but the writers jerking themselves off for how mature they thought they were by making a story about some Serb inmigrant that fought in the Bosnia Serbian War. Fucking full of woe is me shit, when the previous protagonists, not counting Vic, were just a bunch of career criminals trying to get revenge, start a drug empire, defend their boss to the end, or do a bunch of nigger shit.

Now here comes fucking Nico whining and crying about everything, reluctantly getting involved with all kinds of criminals, that being a psychopath outside of the main story feels like it doesn't belong. This shit started with Vice City Stories and Vic being a fucking baby about getting involved in the coke trade.

Outside of that, lets talk about how there's less shit to do compared to the last portable game to come out before it, and the last console game that came out one generation prior. Fuck your talk of filler and empty maps, there was a lot of stupid shit you could do that made you stronger in a little way, and gave you some guns so you're not feeling completely weak after death. Why the fuck does the game on a stronger console have less shit to do compared to previous game on fucking weaker hardware? Why the fuck can I not fight the army?

I understand not being able to 9/11 a plane in the game like a filthy sandnigger, but why can I not fight the fucking army? Everytime this argument of 4 vs 5 comes up, I can't help but think about GTA4 represents everything wrong with the 7th generation of gaming as a whole. DLC up the ass, less content in games compared to the last generation, writers so far up their own fucking ass that they forgot that they're writing for video games, unnecessary realism where it doesn't fucking belong, and protagonists that are starring in the wrong fucking game.

To sum up, arguing about which game is better between 4 and 5 is like arguing whether a plate of shit tastes better than a bowl of diarrhea, either way you're arguing about shit.

>>16625762

True, GTA is pretty worthless as a series beyond going on a rampage for a few minutes before the awful combat and controls get too annoying.

MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH STOOOOOOOOOOOOOORY

This is why no oldschool gta player takes you and anyone who has touched HD era trash seriously.

>>16625825

>people like GTA IV for one sole single reason and that's the story

>nothing else about GTA IV stuck to people, it was only the story

ok

its worse in every way except gameplay polish and graphics

it actually has a theme unlike 5 thats basicly just modern LA or something, boring as fuck

>>16625829

They are all clearly man cyber-dressing for autismbux

>>16621981

>shit game made by a shit developer is even more shit then the last one

>>16625829

I don't get it.

>>16625829

but thats kawaii

>>16625763

>he doesn't know about the vr video

>>16626019

the 'CS' video or the reular vr one? What about them?

>>16623405

It's one of the worst PC ports in existence.

>>16625865

They're all girls, they just don't show their faces because they're ugly as sin.

>>16621981

>So why do you act as if it is a better game?

Who are you asking this to?

>>16621981

The problem with GTA 5 was that the characters were either weak or off. Trevor would have been one of the best GTA characters (and kinda is) but the liberal minded/flushing down severed legs in the toilet thing makes him more cartoony and just generally leaves a bad aftertaste. Michael was supposed to be a tribute/alternate Tommy Vercetti, except he's a whiney boomer cuck so he's nothing like him. Frank, or Bertrand or whatever his name was is just a simple nigger like CJ, nothing of interest there. There were barely any gang wars in the game also, so putting a nigger in was such a waste of time really. Rockstar probably did it just so they could grab the attention of the San Andreas audience. The previous GTA games all had characters that fit the atmosphere and felt more like actual people.

GTA 5 can be completed at least once if you play mostly as Trevor and ignore his bad qualities. Just throw back a few beers, turn up Channel X and rip Pedowood apart.

GTA4 was horrible so I never bothered to play GTA5. I don't know if it was better, I doubt it, but I've already written off the entire series.

The only problem with GTAV is the online community, it used to be tolerable but now RockStar keeps adding stupid shit that completely changes the game

>HEY EVERYONE CHECK OUT THIS MOTORCYCLE THAT FLYS AND SHOOTS HOMING MISSILES

<oh fug it changed the game too much

>HERE EVERYONE FREE ARMORED CARS INSTEAD OF US TAKING THIS PIECE OF SHIT OUT OF THE GAME

I don't care for the Casino update coming, I long have stopped playing this game but the flashbacks of losing $400k to a flying motorcycle while driving an extremely slow and beat up van still haunts me

They're both equally shitty as in there are some nice parts of IV that they turned to shit in V and there are some unbearable aspects in IV, like the driving that so many already mentioned, that cuckstar somewhat made better in V. As for the story and characters, I liked Niko because he was pretty much the first serious GTA character but I still thought the writers were trying too hard, and from V the only likeable character was Michael because his character arc reminded me of my late dad. Trevor could have been the quintessential GTA character turned up to 11 but the librul bent they gave him was tone deaf writing as is typical with modern writers, and Franklin was flat as a cardboard, Lamar would actually have been the better playable character if only because he's the most stereotypical nigger cuckstar has ever made. Never bothered to touch online since it's blatant P2W nonsense. V had the bigger world but most of it is comparatively empty and instead of adding meaningful side content they put more effort into the Bigfoot/Teen Wolf meme mission as autist bait. Needless to say I still 100%'d both games to see what the fuss is all about and they both left me wondering if I should have done something better with all that time afterwards.

>>16625759

>this video

<oh no gta iv doesn't make ur cloths wet when you go in water ;_;

>crowb's video

>gta V police don't fight back nearly enough and will go down just by shootin in a sholder where in gta iv they'll just be unable to use that limb

<but the glass doesn't break!

>gta V weapons will always default to wide swings even when it's a small knife

<this vehicles light shows up when you open the door!

>can run into a wall at full speed and not get thrown

<look i can drive a semi and hook up the trailer too!

>can't climb or scale buildings

Honestly, this is pathetic.

out of all nit picks the only thing gtaV gots better is a bunch of mostly pointless details. Where crowb's video was longer and showed differences in gameplay.

In gta iv you can walk around in the world like normal, no one would mind you until you start doing shit.

Where in gta V you'll get attacked randomly all the time.

The difference in clear, gta iv seems to point more to a gameplay level of substance then gta V, absolutely nothing in that video showed anything that could even be considered important.

>>16627133

In GTA 4 you can also stand around police officers as long as you want. In 5, they will arrest you if you stand next to them for more than a few seconds. Same thing with pedestrians, can't stand next to them at a crosswalk for example or they'll call the cops on you/try to beat you up.

The problem with GTA is that it's stale as fuck. It's literally the Madden of its genre - the same exact game with the same exact story with the same exact characters rehashing the same exact enlightened centrist tropes.

>>16625762

While I agree that Cuckstar is shit, I think Bully was pretty damn good. It's not perfect, but at least it tries to do something different. They'll iikely butcher the sequel with tons of money grubbing and GTA-esque "satire," but whatever.

>>16625791

>was nothing but the writers jerking themselves off for how mature they thought they were

That's GTA in a nutshell, anon. >>16625797 is right on the money. Say what you want about LA Noire, but at least the setting was interesting.

>writers so far up their own fucking ass that they forgot that they're writing for video games

Sums up Cuckstar to a T, but i think this is a problem across all forms of media these days, not just gayming.

>>16626800

I've written it off too; I personally stopped at Vice City and moved onto other games when I heard that San Andreas was basically Vice City with niggers.

>>16626797

The characters? WHAT characters? Michael? Oh, wow, a cuck with no personality or arc beyond, as one anon put it, I'm getting too old for this shit. Trevor, who's basically just a self-insert for the average GTA player, and Niggerlin who might as well have not even been there because he offers NOTHING to the storyline. Could've just as easily put Lamar in there and did some shitty comedy as opposed to him whining like a bitch about muh nobody understands lol. The "villains" are as cardboard as your average young adult villains - no real reason to be the villain, but are just because.

Saints Row 2/Sleeping Dogs/Yakuza blow GTA as a series IMHO out of the water because at least they try something other than "hey guys did y'know America, like, sucks and stuff? lol check out our overpriced shark cards."

>>16622126

GTA V's "story" was pretty much Male PMS: The Game, with some token niggers with some good, old fashioned niggerbabble in between.

>>16630827

What's there to know? I'm just posting my opinion on what I find to be an overrated series.

>>16630499

Yeah it feels way more fun than in 5, I probably would've finished 5 if there was a mod that brought the game's driving physics back to 4 levels. None of the cars felt different in 5, felt like they all had identical driving characteristics and glue on their wheels. But 5 was designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator Niggers. which is why it's worse in almost every way.

>>16626797

>simple niggers

Franklin was a smug nigger who dreamed of being white and rich, CJ was a dumb nigger who only knew how to kill people and was lucky enough to meet the right people (caesar is loyal and shares his ideals, woozie made him rich, mad dogg made him famous, toreno basically makes him untouchable etc), big difference.

>>16621981

VCS>SA>VC>LCS>III>IV>V Undisputable.

>>16630997

IV>III>LCS, agree with the rest.

>>16631093

The liberty city ones are hard to rate in any order. I like them all. 3 is just pure fun and sadistic difficulty in the final chapter. IV is a great example of the engine capabilities that were sadly put to waste after RDR really showcased it. And LCS was just polished and well done imo.

>>16631096

I was just sticking to 3d because the 2d games are in a league of their own. i havent played 2 or London yet

>>16631099

>>16631102

What about EFLC?

>>16631108

Oh shit you're right. Lost and damned was okay. Gay Tony was top tier in terms of fun and cheesy characters. Yusuf is best sandnigger. Weapon choices in Gay Tony were neat as well.

>>16623237

I would disagree there, personally. But it's all subjective taste. I found the gritty city thing got boring after a while, and there's nowhere to go to get away from it. Los Santos at least had some wilderness and desert to mix things up compared to the city.

>>16632427

I agree, stealing cars for shitty dealerships and busting into homes was the highlight of the game.

>>16632427

I actually liked Dmitri, a shame he sold Niko out to Bulgarin. I would have liked to do more missions with him.

>>16631502

saints row?

>>16626853

The instakilling flying super turbo robo mega cars is precisely what nobody fucking wanted. Were they trying to compete with Saints Row? fuck

>>16632466

Saints Row has going full retard randumb and "so wacky! xD".

>>16631502

It'd be a huge undertaking; most people who want to make "clones" or spiritual successors are indie studios, and it's hard to make something with the same amount of sheer content.

unless you use one-time procedural generation to make the basics of the world, then sculpt it from there

>you

Who the fuck are you that you get to pretend like we're any different from eacother? As if you are better or seperated from the rest of us, and that everyone else needs to work together to validate themselves specifically to you. Why do people make threads and posts with this idea that they aren't also someone who is an anon that browses 8ch?

>>16625929

they all said nyagga~

>>16632483

yeah i know but at the start they tried and filed (if we only count sales) to match rockstar. thats why they went the wacky way i think

>>16627287

this alone ruins the entire game and trumps all the other problems/improvements. not being able to STAND STILL in a game without getting in trouble is pretty fucking bad.

thats 2nd only to the fact that shooting kills pedestrians in 1 hit nomatter what. cant injure someones leg and watch them crawl away like you could in 4. no watching cops drag their friends to safety opening themselves up to you killing them as well…

gta5 is a shit game.

>>16632768

Their was an entire site for GTA 4 mods back in the day which sadly doesn't exist anymore. You could find some fairly nice skins their

>>16632761

That's no justification for spreading your eye cancer to innocent people.

Why do you act as if rockstar has released anything worthwhile after 2006?

>>16632798

People are too young to discuss those games, so it has to be IV vs V, despite both of them being downgrades in everything but graphics.

>>16632903

t. the phoneposting, gorilla nigger who doesn't proofread his shit.

>>16626853

I have everything in the game, I just launch missions to bait tryhards into messing with me, I love messing with those retards, all of them do the same shit and are easy as fuck to counter. They don't play the game enough to know how to play properly so it is easy to force them go ewo, they don't know the map so you can go anywhere that doesn't appear on it and confuse them, it's so obvious they have modded money because all they do is pullout the MKII and shoot when you are in a car, they fail horribly when they have to aim.

>>16633027

>the nigger who sperged about MUH RUSHINZ INVADING THE BOARD got banned

I guess the cake kike did something right for a change. Anyway, reported.

>>16632834

>>16633034

>Get banned for ban evading when you didn't even ban evade in the first place

>Crybaby slave niggers go whining to the mods because they're all want to shit up the board

fucking lol goddamn this board is dogshit

>>16633126

2 was exceptionally fun. Shit-ton of copying and pasting (which wasn't the best), but it handled like a dream, was fun to play, and the multiplayer took it to a new level. Now it's a fucking ghost town. 1500 people on a server is now 5 at best and 0 80% of the time.

I appreciate the mechanical improvements and additions of 3, but it just felt… wrong, you know? I like the wingsuit, I like the thrusters and adjustable grapple. But the game controlled differently.

Never played 4. My computer's too old. Seems like it came out a bit too quickly…

>>16633152

Never post here again then. Just leave. We clearly don't want you here.

>less interactive game world

True.

>less likable characters

Both games suffer from this honestly, the only people I could stand in 4 were Niko and Roman, everyone else was awful, especially that jamaican nigger and that thug niggress. Doesn't help they're some of the first people you start working with too.

>less actual story

5's story was retarded in many different ways, while 4 was completely forgetful.

>less atmosphere

I can't say I really liked that early 2000s feel of 4, but I agree it was still miles better than the Current Year stuff in 5.

GTAs in the modern day end up feelin pretty miserable because we are living in miserable times, I feel they should just stick to 90s stuff at most. Overall I'd agree that 4 is better than 5 but both are bad compared to the older ones.

>>16633161

How about no you slavnigger, go back to your fucking rathole wherever you fucking homos came from cause all you've done since you camr here is shit the place up

>>16630499

How's the PC port for 4?

>>16633540

Not great, but not as bad as people say. Having hardware made in the last decade helps, I have an i5 4670 and a GTX 950 and consistently get 50+ fps with everything except shadows (which is set to medium) set to very high.

>>16633541

You know why they removed this? This is something you never see while playing, unless you really look into it you'll never see these animations, it's a game where you are shooting groups of people most of the time, running away from cops as fast as you can. You want realism play RDR.

>>16633985

Limb damage is insanely useful in firefights, IV cops/thugs will reel in pain if you shoot them anywhere but in the chest, and being able to disarm the ones with shotguns is a godsend whereas V cops/thugs won't flinch or stop shooting until you kill them and a cop with a shotgun will instakill you 100% of the time, your only option against them is hurling grenades from cover.

>>16622225

Tbh they all feel empty and shallow after a while

Game devs don't put nearly enough effort into variable weather

>>16623197

americans are not a pleasant sounding people

immigrants mispronouncing english is far more forgivable than what you people do to the language

GTA is peak normalfaggotry

Literally the COD of the open world meme.

It’s why when they went multiplayer they opened up a Pandora’s Box of infinite money that Valve could only dream of.

Eventually they’ll run it into the ground like all the other blockbuster vidya.

LA Noire was the best GTA

Kys OP

>>16634890

>cyka blyat I'm an immigrant

Niko isn't Russian, retard.

>>16634904

arr rook saem

>>16634869

>Eventually they’ll run it into the ground like all the other blockbuster vidya.

>eventually

Hi newfag.

>>16634919

What i mean by “run it into the ground” is financially speaking. Where it becomes so god aweful that normalfags don’t even like it anymore. Like what happened to COD and Mass Effect.

Right now GTA is in the Normalfag Honeymoon phase of franchises. Basically where COD was with Modern Warfare 2. Overtime GTA will just get worse and worse until it finally dives off a cliff like COD did with advanced warfare.

Of course the series has been dead in spirit for years. Kys faggot.

GTA 4 was the first GTA game to bore me to qutting, Everything about it was a slog to play and it is not even worth playing.

>>16621981

GTA 5 offered more theme park attractions, more 'intended' ways to have fun. GTA 4, with its parkour mechanics, wackier physics, picking up objects and generaly more freedom, let you more freely create your own fun.

All I can say is, I loved exploring the city, climbing on rooftops, doing dumb shit and wrecking havoc in GTA4 long after finishing it. In GTA5, I completed the story, felt like I had nothing fun to do and uninstalled it. The 'activities' felt like just chores or jobs to grind money. I tried online a few times, did a few heists, other than those, it's pretty crap unless you're into the roleplaying part.

>>16634031

>>16634221

Wrong, they flinch but they don't drop their weapons, and "looking cool" does not add to the gameplay at all, neither it makes it a better game. I'll never undedstand why people keep posting these videos, thinking they somehow invalidate the rest of the gameplay.

I played a lot of IV, but I played V about 50 times more, V is faster and allows you to do different things, and I'm sure Rockstar removed all of this after realizing it would help differentiate both games, it focuses more on vehicles and more firepower, there's no need for these exact animations when you are being ganked by a dozen of cops while you are mowing them down with huge weapons. And of course it has way more content, after a few hours there's really nothing to do in IV besides toying with the AI and physics, and it's all the same, same cops, same pedestrians, same cars, that's when you start noticing these animations but it's just that, animations.

>>16635027

>and "looking cool" does not add to the gameplay at all

Are you saying you never walk around before shooting or stabbing a random ped sitting on a park bench/standing at a crosswalk/getting off a train before running away? You never roleplay? How do people even play games past the completion of the singleplayer story if they're incapable of making their own fun?

>>16635027

If by 'content' you mean hunting animals or racing, newsflash, but that's not what I play GTA for. I'd rather toy with the AI and blow shit up. And GTA4 gives me better visual spectacle when doing so.

>>16635034

>you never roleplay

No, I don't, when I start doing those tame things it is a clear sign the game has nothing to offer me, that I have to start making up ridiculous scenarios to create my own fun, I like digging inside a game and finding things you don't rarely notice, but again, that clearly doesn't add up to the normal gameplay, specially not GTA, again, it is a fast game, going fast, shooting down helicopters from a Jet, quickly destroying groups of NPCs with a minigun is more "fun" than wandering aimlessly pretending I'm a robber or shit like that.

>>16635050

>quickly destroying groups of NPCs with a minigun is more "fun" than wandering aimlessly pretending I'm a robber or shit like that.

If you have no imagination, I guess. It must be sad being you, needing to constantly "win".

>>16635050

It makes perfect sense that you would prefer Grand Theft Auto 5 to 4. You are Cockstar's new target audience.

>>16635039

>more spectacle

I doubt that

>>16635056

>>16635060

>personal attacks

Come on, you are better than this.

>>16635064

>personal attacks

I'm just saying it must be sad to have no imagination left as an adult, to be completely dead inside and need to be pandered to in order to be entertained. I sincerely pity you.

>>16635027

Its actually not "just animations" but physically simulated movement of the body.

Vid related.

They completely gutted this for GTA V and the way you try to paint that as an advantage makes me understand why people insult you. You are an apologist for corporate laziness.

Also they drop their weapons if you shoot their weapons. Said dropped weapons can even fire when they hit the ground.

>>16635132

Because I don't waste my time "role playing"? In a single player game? With the same NPCs, doing the same thing for years?

>>16635068

Who am I apologizing? Because it doesn't have animations you never see in normal gameplay? If anything, IV is incomplete without all the customization, lack of variety, no planes, no jets, no experimental vehicles, lack of many weapons. I'm sorry you feel the need to protect a 10 year old game.

>>16635146

>no planes, no jets, no experimental vehicles

There doesn't need to be a San Andreas 2. If you want wacky shit go play Saints Row.

>>16635157

And if you want pointless animations play IV.

>>16635159

>pointless animations

Did you even read >>16635132?

>>16635161

How is that relevant to a game where you are shooting at people from a car? GTA is not a game where you fight people head on, yes, it is bad it doesn't have more animations, but they are not necessary for the kind of gameplay V offers, I'll say it again just one more time, these are things you don't notice on normal gameplay, maybe in RDR where things are slower and more personal this might hurt the gameplay, but in a fast paced action game?

>>16635176

>How is that relevant to a game where you are shooting at people from a car? GTA is not a game where you fight people head on, yes

Just because you never bothered with it doesn't mean it's not there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCJ2Q8L2OVQ

>fast paced action game

What exactly do you mean by that? Is Grand Theft Auto about k/d ratios to you?

>>16633152

If you hate /v/ and/or mark so much why don't you go post on one of the alternatives or make your own vidya board? Oh right, literally every attempt has flopped because surprise surprise only a tiny vocal minority of faggots are responsible for the entirety of meta whining but claim to speak for everyone else.

>>16635170

tl;dr

Sorry, I'm not taking advice from a weebfag.

>>16635176

Really, I'm very interested in knowing what exactly you do while playing a grand theft auto game. Do you just constantly drive around the map as fast as you can while shooting every pedestrian? Do you blast through all the story missions as fast as possible?

>>16635180

Have you ever played V? Or you just like shitting on it? Because it seems all your arguments come from videos someone else posts, and "muh realism".

>>16635184

>weebfag

Back to >>>/reddit/

>>16635188

No, but I don't spend my time roleplaying as a robber.

>>16635190

I bought Grand Theft Auto 5 when it released on 360 and played it for hours with a couple online friends after finishing the story mode.

>>16635195

Cool post, I liked the part where you didn't answer my question.

>>16621981

While there was far less to do there is more variety in the geography of the GTA5 game world. Not just a city that all looks the same.

Thats why San Andreas is loved so much as well I think.

>>16635202

>there is more variety in the geography

What value do empty hills and forests have?

>>16635200

I already told you I don't play how you think I play, I go for headshots, enviromental hazards, or straight up blow the fuck out of npcs, V lends itself for that kind of gameplay, it is more action focused than IV.

>>16634782

americans speak a truer form of english than the english. prior to the 1700s england sounded alot more like america today. england started changing after america was already established and stopped pronouncing their Rs properly. today america kept speaking english as england devolved into a homosexual muslim enclave that celebrates their own destruction while speaking a bastardized modernized version of english.

>>16635027

>I played a lot of IV, but I played V about 50 times more

is that why youre defending it? its objectively worse. you were fooled by better graphics

>GTA4 gives me better visual spectacle when doing so.

absolutely. i love how something as simple as swerving into a trashcan in GTA4 will startle surrounding NPCs that will react by yelling at you "are you drunk?", acting scared, etc. in GTA5 people just run away screaming.

>>16635176

>>16635195

shooting at people that react realistically isnt immersive for you? you'd rather people that drop dead as soon as their health hits 0? i like how i can shoot the swat team with body armor and make them trip over their dead/injured friends or debris from the chaos. did you not notice any of the obvious details like the fact that in V a grenade either does nothing or insta-kills you? in GTA4 depending on your proximity, it will make you stumble or lose balance, and as you get closer to the blast range it'll knock you on your ass, send you airborne, and when youre within the kill range it'll kill you and send you flying. GTAV if youre too close you drop dead… and if youre 1ft further from where you would drop dead youre completely unphased.

did you not notice standing next to a police officer or ANY NPC aggros them? did you not notice that police just try to kill you instead of trying to arrest you? did you notice shooting a pedestrian in the foot causes them to drop dead instantly instead of them being crippled and beg for help like in 4?

>>16635261

>graphics

No, gameplay variety.

>>16635176

>>16635195

"Larping as a bankrobber" is about 75% of the story of GTA V though.

I mean the whole story is focused around doing heists and preparing heists. Mostly on foot as well.

Just go and play the game again and tell me how missions like the intro or that one failed drug deal factory shoot-out or most missions involving the FIB or most of the heists at some point are not "fighting people head on".

I just dont see how you can say that A) you are all about the fighting and action but B) you dont care if shooting people is less satisfying because they ruined hit feedback by cheaping out on the animation system.

It does not ruin the game completely, but its a clear step backwards despite a fucking huge budget and all the time they needed. V has bigger fights with tons of explosions but they are somehow less entertaining because they are repetitive as fuck after half of the game.

>>16635268

>larping

I don't roleplay IRL, and I haven't played SP in years, I prefer human interaction.

>>16635265

no, you were fooled by the graphics anon. im telling you because youre not smart enough to pick that up on your own.

GTAV has considerably less variables that effect any situation including action sequences. the variations in AI/environmental/weapon reactions are considerably less in V compared to 4.

unless youre talking about shitty side missions like hunting and triathlons.

>>16635280

>you think you are having fun but you actually aren't

Ah, ok.

>>16635207

It makes the game feel bigger and makes it easier to navigate because every area doesnt look the same.

GTA4 seems claustrophobic. Although you often cross long bridges between areas you end up in an area that is thematically identical to the one you left.

>>16635278

>dodging the point of the post by focusing on a single word.

What are you even trying to prove here ?

Multiplayer is the same shit, they even proudly announced the heists as a feature when they bothered implementing them. What activity does not involve shooting at people ? The shit-tier racing ?

>>16635295

Why do you care so much about knowing my experience with the games if you just respond with "but you are wrong because IV had this and it is better"? They are different games, I prefer V for everything it offers, that's it.

>>16623405

Ancient video but

>>16635301

>you are a casual

OK, nothing wrong with not obsessing over a videogame.

>>16635312

>obsessing

is obsessing noticing when newer a newer game lacks basic features of an older game of the same franchise?

pretty sure thats just having basic awareness

go back to reddit or neogaf with the rest of the shit eaters, retard

>>16635339

Why are you so mad that I don't give a shit about pointless animations or silly ragdolls?

>>16635302

I wonder how you play the game because you act like GTA is not about shooting people "head on" >>16635176 and use that as a reason why the entire animation system is not relevant.

>>16635351

It's just an animation, they don't limp, they don't drop their weapons, that's it, that doesn't change anything, when they start limping they are dead, no longer a threat, why should I care about seeing the same animation over and over again when it has no impact over the gameplay?

>>16635345

its not just animations, its the radius of the explosions and how they effect the environment including NPCs, vehicles, and the player.

im not angry, im just dumbfounded at how shit eaters like yourself dont notice basic shit in spite of dumping endless hours into a game, then shilling for it online.

>>16635372

>shilling

How? Because I'm not shitting on it for lacking certain animations? I'm not the one claiming " MUH GAME IS BETTER AND YOU ARE A SHIT EATER", How do you even reach that point? This is sad really.

>>16635389

Like 9 years ago, tried to come back to play it but some animations are not enough to make up for the lack of gameplay variety, it gets old after just being able to choose compact car, landboat car, fast car and on a rare ocassion helicopter. Oh and I was talking about V anon, pay attention.

>>16635371

Its not "just an animation", its pretty much the opposite of that in fact.

I already explained it earlier, they changed the entire way the characters work in gta v.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphoria_(software)

Here, a kikepedia link that explains it in perfect detail. Takes two minutes to read and completely disproves your entire post about this being a simple animation that got removed.

Rockstar gutted this animation system when they implemented it in gta v.

>>16635412

They are animations that do not affect gameplay.

>>16635417

I just dont get how you can say that the entire way the characters move and react to their environment does not affect the gameplay.

This is like saying that IVs animation system is not a gameplay improvement over III because its "just better animations".

>>16635425

Because no one plays the way you say you do, in normal gameplay normal people don't throw grenades in front of them, or try to disarm cops. In normal gameplay you have to juggle many cops, many enemies, disarming all of them is counter productive. Sure, it looks better, you like it more, I like it more, but it doesn't affect gameplay.

>>16635411

>gameplay variety

wtf does this mean? the minigames? how does that make up for the fact that the action itself has infinitely less variables?

>>16635417

yes the animations affect gameplay, as do the other differences that were mentioned.

less varied outcomes means less varied gameplay.

but dont worry, they added minigames to make up for it, right?

>>16635434

he thinks NPCs being injured and not dying, or living ones attempting to rescue those injured ones dont affect gameplay.

>>16635435

>you wont notice anyone getting blown away by a grenade during combat.

>you wont notice debris hitting and NPC and knocking them on the ground.

>you wont notice your car crushing and becoming unsable after hitting a wall during a chase at 100mph

imagine being this much of a brainless drone.

>>16635444

But most of what you said is present in V, it just works differently.

>>16635472

>crowbcat

>yet again

Pathetic, but whatever, yes, it works differently, why is that so difficult to understand?

>>16635514

>using crowbcats uncommentated examples is somehow pathetic

whats pathetic is you doing mental gymnastics saying that missing features that were not replaced to any degree are "there but work differently". yea,in the same way if i chop off your foot, you now have a "new" foot: nothing.

the reality of it is they just removed the features to make the game easier/cheaper to make and the dumbass shit eaters like yourself would never be smart enough to notice.

and its not just in 1 or 2 places. every single aspect of the game was made predictable compared to 4. the variety, the chaos, and the surprises that made the game stand out are all severely reduced in driving, shooting, fighting, and movement in general.

>>16635576

Nice opinions, they are not yours but it's alright.

>>16635614

>using someone elses video to showcase a point means that the point your making is not your own

is that how your mind works you simpleton?

gtav has been complained about here for these very reasons since it launched.

even some of the consolefags pointed that shit out. when it was released on PC it got nonstop shat on for these problems.

but you, you keep eating that shit with the rest of the retards. what amazes me is you seem to have played GTAV alot. most of the retards that just play for the first few weeks then got tired of it and move on to the next flavor of the month game.

how did you manage to chew on a turd for that long without even noticing the flavor? or moving on to the next meme game?

im genuinely curious how you "people" operate.

Are gta iv babbies still salty no one likes their game

>>16635686

Are gta v babies still salty no one likes their game

>>16635686

>>16635695

The only good ones were the first two with the top down view.

>>16635680

>since it launched

LOL this shit started with retards parroting crowbcrap, besides, lack of some pointless animations and silly ragdolls don't make the game bad, you and the rest of the herd dislikes it Because "old good new bad" crap.

>>16635778

>pointless animations and silly ragdolls

wew, thats an interesting way to say "lack of actions, causes, and effects/variables" did you learn those fancy mental gymnastics on a specific subreddit?

>crowbcat was the 1st to criticize gtav

no, the game was shat on from the start. crowbcat just made a video about what people were complaining about. youre just a shit eating retard with no standards. mindlessly consuming the next new thing.

>>16635836

>muh reddit

>mub consumerism

Get your head out of your ass sperg, and funny you bring variables, again, to the conversation, if V has something is variety, it has an abundance of vehicles and things to do, some silly animations and ragdolls don't make up for that.

>>16635865

>(28)

>calls me a sperg

look, retard. variables is a measure of what can happen based on the user's input. because of the large amount of possibilities a single action can cause, there can be a huge chain reaction of events that lead to a completely different outcome.

V removed more than half of those variables and did nothing to replace them. adding vehicles that look different and adding shitty minigames doesnt make up for the core game being more simple and predictable.

on the contrary, adding in pointless new cars that feel the same as all the other cars and adding disconnected minigames doesnt make up for the core gameplay being severely streamlined.

>>16635886

>variables is a measure of what can happen based on the user's input

>you can disarm npcs

>you can make them stumble

>muh silly ragdolls

That's all, there's nothing else in this thread, I feel pity for people that shit on games, you are not forced to play them, they are not retroactively changing your favorite game, you just don't like them for the most stupid reasons and shit on everyone that enjoys them.

Also

>(28)

what is that, your age? How does that not make you a sperg?

>>16635899

>That's all

i guess if you ignore the entire thread, yea. "thats all". forget about how cops dont always shoot, forget about tripping them with debris, forget about the many ways NPCs walking/driving react to your actions… its "just how the objects move in a 3d space" which is somehow not significant either.

also

>(29)

>age

>being this new

go back to leddit

>>16635915

Oh, so you are counting replies, having a conversation with retards that keep pointing out the same shit makes me a sperg? LOL

And really, how are those "variables", Oh npc reacted differently, that will surely affect gameplay and its outcome. But what's the outcome sperg? Going from a to b to kill a guy? You keep talking as if IV was a real life simulator, when it's just a game about a guy killing people that can't stop bitching about wanting to change his violent ways. Seriously anon, you come up with the most stupid shit to complain.

>>16635923

>counting replies

kek

>how are how 3d objects moving around in a 3d space affect gameplay?

>the story wasnt as good!

>i much prefer my diverse cast of characters and literal homosexuality and cuckoldry!

are you seriously taking this stance now reddit?

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>>16635938

Do they not move or react in V? Prove they don't. And why do you keep counting? lol, stop grasping at straws.

>>16635945

>why do you keep counting

kek, (31)

i sent you 3 videos that show the difference. the grenade literally does not move the player unless he dies from it. same rule applies to enemies. shooting enemies causes the enemies to stop shooting momentarily. they do not move or react otherwise.

but aside from "silly ragdolling", the lack of variety also manifests as something like if you aim a gun at a cop. they will always open fire. in 4 you get a variety of possible outcomes. they may open fire, they may aim back and talk you out of it. they may run and get backup, they may attempt an arrest. if you shoot in the air, they may fire on you… they may not.. if you turn tail and run, they may give chase immediately, or just open fire… or run to their vehicles.

thats what i mean by variety. GTAV lacks this in every single aspect making the game predictable and boring. no amount of hunting minigames will make up for this.

>>16635977

>some shit that doesn't affect gameplay at all

Ah, ok

>>16636016

So they act differently, does that affect gameplay? No, does it make it different, yes, you keep bitching about the most pointless shit.

>>16636019

>how the police behave doesnt affect gameplay

>(33)

keep going you retard.

serious question, are you a nigger? i find it hard to believe a white person can be this dumb.

>>1663602

>NPCs acting different is not different

>also more assumptions

lol

>>16636045

huh? its not the "npcs react" that was removed from the game. it was the alternate reactions that were removed; the variables.

they didnt change. they were removed.

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>>16636045

Why are you paid to defend GTAV?

>>16623428

just gonna remind everyone of this post, redditfags can leave now

>>16636053

So they changed them, what's the problem?

>>16636055

Defending?

>>16636086

>So they changed them

yes, by removing all alternate possibilities which makes the game predictable and boring.

GTA 4 was forgettable trash.

>>>/v/16636086

If I were to replace your leg with a wooden peg, would you say that your walking hasn't changed?

(35)

>ITT One bait fag and his pea brain newfag orbiters.

Great job 6da6f2, you’ve had your fun.

Now invite them into your discuck and blackmail them into taking tranny hormones so never use this site again.

>>16636097

>>16636121

Reread my posts, it wasn't a good call, maybe it was laziness, R* being greedy, they changed something, but they also added a shitton of things(hat you don't like), it is boring for (You), but it is not a bad game, just a different one.

>>16636190

> but they also added a shitton of things

they removed advanced features of the AI and replaced them with pay-to-win online.

its shit, ano— i mean redditor.

>>16636310

>pay to win

>free Nightshark can make MKIIshitters disconnect

Nah

>>16635695

The gta v babbies didn’t start a thread

>>16625759

You don't know what the word shill means do you retard?

>>16638393

it mean bad thing and me no like crowbcat so crowbcat shill

>>16623427

>floaty driving

I like the "floaty" driving, i'm far more skilled driving with GTA IV's engine that GTA V, or…hell, 3D universe games. The driving in GTA IV is perfect for me

>Combat

It's good as well, i don't like how in GTA V you can kill somebody in three punches to the stomach, that makes no fucking sense

It would take a lot more to kill somebody in real life than three fucking punches to the stomach

>Brown/blue filter

I like filters, fuck off

>AI

Yeah, the AI is a little stupid

>>16638393

>waa don't insult my favorite youtube cancer

He shilled for a VR game a year ago, then deleted the vid when people called him out.

>>16640112

>vid didn't post

fug

>>16636019

Yes, it does

It's bullshit how in GTA V people will start fucking attacking the player and cops with just start to shoot you for no reason at all when you stand near them long enough

At least in GTA IV you can fuck with NPC's and they don't try to kill you on sight

>>16640121

I preferred GTA 4 to 5 before I knew crowbcat existed. Not everyone is as easily swayed by "ecelebs" as you are.

>>16635899

>what is that, your age?

Why are you here? Just return to where you came from or better yet kill yourself.

I say comparing GTA games is like comparing Rap Music.

Every game is it's own taste. Either you love it or hate it: old, new, East or West Coast.

I loved both GTA IV and V (finished 100%) based on the different mindless appeal they both provided.

GTA IV aimed for being more oriented towards being realistic and interactive to the tiniest detail with a lot of things (cars included, I mastered the driving mechanics), a world that's so small, yet so big you could have endless fun with the smallest of things you find. The problem here is that they could've done a lot of things better as to not make the game feel like they didn't put in any effort to make it accessible to everyone. Unlike the other games in the series, it feels the most stiff out of all of them because they were trying something new without properly putting it through the wringer.

GTA V appeals to the mindless arcade-like days of San Andreas of exploring a large world and finding fun things to do. You just want the high score with whatever you're doing. I say the problem here was that they could've done so much more with a GTA game, like when you finish the game, there's nothing really to go back to other than a few mini-games that feel empty without a sense of accomplishment. The one thing I really hated about V was the TBoGT Mission Ranking thing where you have to replay every single one of them to earn Gold (which I did). Replay Value was a problem with all of the games in the series, but GTA V made it feel the most shallow because when you've done literally everything, it feels like the fullest extent to where all of that effort went into giving the game anything worth coming back to in Single Player. The only reason I still like it is because it at least has no paid DLC.

>>16621981

why are generalizing people based off of your pre-concieved notions of what you think is right? its lame when people come on here and just throw out "why do all of you think x" how the fuck do you know what people think? fuck off.

>>16640333

>I say comparing GTA games is like comparing Rap Music

Exactly, it's all shit and always was

>>16640333

>I say comparing GTA games is like comparing Rap Music.

it's for niggers and real white men enjoy better entertainment?

>>16640177

His video's solid either way.

>>16641869

Sure, but faggots act like no one preferred 4 to 5 before that video was uploaded.

>>16634872

>you picked Kate over Roman on your first playthru and you dont want to admit it

What choice was this supposed to be? I despised 4, enough to never play it again after beating it once, and the only choices I can remember are when the young rapper wanted you to kill the old rapper, and when you can choose whether or not to kill the one guy you spent the whole game trying to find.

both GTA IV and V are shit games, what's your point?

>>16634872

i mean of course san andreas is best, but the discussion was about 4 being way better than 5, which many people deny like they are some kind of lunatics

Speaking of hating IV…

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>>16644124

Voice acting is a dead art. People are to cool to go full sperg over the mic these days.

>>16643562

I can't believe that I used to think stuff like this was funny.

>>16623246

You can rob stores in IV

>>16621981

Jewstar never made a good game in their entire existence. GTA was never good.

>>16622107

Did she just bleed out her ass there? LMAO

>>16643312

>i mean of course san andreas is best

San Andreas sucked, vice city was leagues better

>>16647940

Nice thumbnail, faggot.

>>16647940

>buzzwords

>>16627133

Crowb's video is filled with nitpicky shit. Probably the biggest criticism to have about it is how it overlooks the more major stuff and focuses on nitpicks. Complaining about a counter-video also being nitpicky reeks of hypocrisy.

>>16652632

>triggered by words

>attempts to word police

This ain't 4chan or Reddit, nigger.

>>16647940

>buzzwords

Wrong, both terms explain a very specific group of people.

Children are anyone under the age of 18. Soyboys are emasculated males, left-wing, and many times also feminist.

>>16653329

You don't know what buzzword means.

>>16653333

Undeserved quads

The complete lack of actual dedicated game modes ruined it for me.

Cops and Crooks was the funnest thing in IV.

>>16633541

man you need to get a weapon sound mod

>>16653328

>reeeee I don't know how to express myself but I'm happy that way

ok retard

>>16653459

Which one would you recommend? I've never really modded GTA 4 beyond a trainer to fuck around with.

>>16635239

>it is more action focused than IV.

Call of Duty ruined an entire generation.

>>16654102

i use a battlefield 3 one, as simple as just replacing one file thankfully.

>>16654106

Where the fuck were you when the popular opinion was that GTA IV was too obsessed with its story and forgot that people who play GTA games just want to fuck around?

>>16654279

Wow I fucked up making that .webm

>>16654279

no bother, there's other ones that sound good too but they're a bit of the top

>>16654334

over*

>>16654106

I only played CoD zombies for like 2 hours, never touched CoD again.

>>16654415

yeah i wore that, most of the clothes options were so shit, especially the first two stores

i again stick mods on for that, add in adidas trackies, jackets and shit

>>16654422

>i again stick mods on for that

I just wish you didn't have to roll back updates and lose all your progress to use most mods.

>>16654373

>weebfag complaining about bad taste

Oh the irony

>>16654426

i know, that's why i just stick to skin/sound mods, i can only seem to get 1.0.8 to work

Seeing how this generally seems to be turning into a GTA in general thread. Anons, what's a good selection of mods to revive SA? I'm talking content wise for the most part, as my PC is a faggot and sometimes even tanks with SA, and would certainly with graphics mods. I've heard of that 101 things to do in San Andreas thing but I've heard it's pretty shitty.

>>16654410

I really liked this, if you got into a different car, the cops wouldnt care about you unless they were close enough to see you driving it. This difference of heat on the player and heat on the car really made the massive police chases much more fun

>>16654852

Good shit, another thing I really like about IV is sometimes you can decide when to execute people, fucking mint

>>16654736

Yeah it adds a couple of neat things like pizza delivery and some ambiance things but overall it suffers from feature creep and adding some things from beta that were obviously cut because they weren't fun. Also there's a slight chance that the entire thing will CTD during the last mission if you have it and there' no way to know if it will or won't until you're actually in it, so that's a bitch. As for mods to revive it they're mostly replacers and meme ones at that, if you're okay with that this guy showcases some of what you can expect to get. You could also look into MTASA, don't know how's the community nowadays but it seems to still have a high number of players.

>>16654888

>you cant beat up rabbis in 5

wtf I liked doing that. I assume the models arent there in 5 anymore?

>>16654913

> I assume the models arent there in 5 anymore?

I never saw any. Pre-6 Rockstar was pretty based, the rabbis even dropped more cash than regular peds when killed.

>>16654919

>Pre-6

*Pre-5

>>16654888

There are Jewish ped models in GTA 5

>>16654913

You actually can, that guy is retarded

>>16654933

>yyyou are new

lol seething weebfag

>>16654888

No but you can blowup numales. Oh and ironically, the most important character from both SP and Online is a huge weeb with a waifu, is ugly, a basement dweller and bitter.

;)

>>16654876

>MTASA

I've tried that and SAMP, though I've found SAMP to be more fun in my experience. Perhaps it's because SAMP has more single player stuff to do. Aka just me getting in a car, going to one of those wacky stunt places and boosting the ever loving shit and laughing at the speed i get. Seeing how I never had friends that had or wanted to play SA. Though I've heard the steam version is DRM free, or at least was for a time so I might just be able to send the rar over mediafire or something.

GTA 5's "story" mode is boring as fuck, especially the meme missions with Trevor's fake heist. At least in GTA 4 is was more straight to the point with assassinating guys. The heists themselves honestly weren't even that great and just very on rails. There was more emphasis on stealth but stealth just feels somewhat lacking.

>>16655455

Can anyone recommend realistic weapon sounds mod for IV?

>>16655455

This was the first sign, along with the driving, that told me gta 5 is going to be worse than 4.

Shooting people in 4 was so good and fun it made 5 look like shit.

The weapons also kinda look like plastic in 5 but they at least included proper animations in 5, such as changing clips and all.

>>16653313

>Crowb's video is filled with nitpicky shit

Not really. Gunplay, driving and interactions have been a big part of GTA since it went 3D.

>>16653313

>nitpicks

He's thorough in how the series has degraded between iterations. It's the same thing for dead rising 1 compared to 4. All those little "nitpicks" amount up into a big difference between games.

>>16655520

I realized R* didn't give a shit about 5's story mode when Franklin's whole deal is about being broke and wanting to move from notGroveSt, but if you preordered the PC edition he gets one and a half million dollars the moment you start his first mission (since the money it's supposed to be added the moment the prologue ends and he's the first character you end up playing). It's a small thing but really shows how they didn't care at all, since it would make way more sense for the money to go to Michael.

>>16623405

>How is the PC version?

A broken mess with Games for Windows Live cancer attached and patches that mostly fucked it up. Have fun trying to get it to run well.

>>16622268

Can't tell if pretending to be retarded or not

>>16655026

>, the most important character from both SP and Online is a huge weeb with a waifu, is ugly, a basement dweller and bitter.

Who? Michael's son?

>>16657678

>Michael's son?

>5's story is so forgettable, anon can't even remember his name

>>16626090

Can't be worse than deadly premonition