/v/ - Video Games

>fags can't even play with a keyboard.

Fucking lamer scrubs.

The whole one size fits all controller meme needs to die. You have multiple USB ports for a reason.

>>16617945

Can you finish dark souls with a keyboard?

Mouse + keyboard works on some cases.

>>16617935

yeah just use an arcade stick for your arcade emulation, then hop over to a keyboard and mouse for your point n click adventures.

>>16617953

Yes you can. I bet you can't even do fighting game commands and combos with arrow keys because you're too used to using your thumbs rather than your fingers.

for generic gamepad, 1st party or licensed console controllers. always. No chinkshit. they have deadzones that don't match analog stick ranges, wobbly buttons, d-pads which misfire and/or fail to register diagonals, etc.

For anything else (stick, joystick, etc.), you research.

>>16617957

fighting game inputs are actually braindead easy, 30s are actually more manageable since you can go super retarded and just hit everything in a panic, what kind of faggot uses a thumb, how do you use a thumb on a stick? your whole hand wraps around it :^)

>>16617953

i don't see the problem other than the camera, but there's a convenient lock on button you can press and you just forget about thinking or even better just one shot the bosses.

>>16617957

Thumbs are fingers too, moron.

>>16617941

Is it even actually good?

I have an adapter for my saturn controller. it's the best for 2d games

What about the new xbone elite series 2 controller? How was the first series as a litmus test to how series 2 is likely to come out?

>>16618039

>Being too retarded to understand a bluetooth controller can be used on a pc

>>16618050

It had an amazing failure rate, and outright design flaws while being absurdly expensive. Unless the second one improved dramatically, I'd steer clear.

I find the regular Xbone controller pretty comfy. It's what I use currently. Fuck sony and it's dildoshock 4

>>16618061

>>16618059

O fug I had them mixed up. I thought it was one of the regular xbone controllers that was a total disaster. Thanks.

>>16617945

Play original RE4 PC release with keyboard I encourage you to.

Get the Xbone controller, model 1708. It's the one that has Bluetooth built-in. The earlier models had some terrible problems because of course they do, it's Microsoft.

For arcade sticks I use a MadCatz SF4TE but they're hard to find now.

>>16618034

>I've been thinking about getting this, but I'm not convinced yet.

They're releasing a Pro+ model soon with PSX handles and better shoulder buttons.

>>16618059

>all those darky hands holding broken controllers

Xbox really is the console for niggers.

>>1661806

>I find the regular Xbone controller pretty comfy

I always hated 360 and XBoner because of their retarded bumpers.

>Fuck sony and it's dildoshock 4

What's so bad about it? d-pad is meh, and OPTIONS/SHARE buttons suck, but the battery-sucking light bar can be turned off. Assuming 2nd revision DS4 (CUH-ZCT2) as 1st (CUH-ZCT1) was bluetooth only.

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>>16617953

>using a mouse and not the keypad

Fucking casuals smh

I have first party controllers and USB adapters for NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1/2, Gamecube, and OGXbox. I'd recommend a Dualshock for general stuff and a second controller with a good dpad (I tend to lean towards my NES controller for that) for 2D emulation.

>>16617950

I don't think the average anon wants to store as many controllers as I do though

>>16618034

I got one recently its pretty gud

>>16618177

>I have first party controllers and USB adapters for NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1/2, Gamecube, and OGXbox. I'd recommend a Dualshock for general stuff and a second controller with a good dpad (I tend to lean towards my NES controller for that) for 2D emulation.

Is there input lag?

>Getting banned cause you made fun of consolebabies

lol talk about fragility

>>16618190

Not any that I've ever noticed. I think I might have tested it with a camera and a CRT somehow and it looked fine.

>>16618215

logitech controllers have the worst dpads ever, and even to this day they have deadzone issues.

they should stick to mice only tbh

amazon brand xbox one controller. the gamesir one you linked is shit. shitty buttons.

>>16618215

>F310

It's garbage. Same for the F710 (wireless version). Huge deadzones, horrible d-pad horrible shoulder buttons, especially the triggers' range. It's shit. Don't get it; you'll regret it.

>>16618003

Thumbs are clearly more similar to a toe than fingers you faggot.

360 pad is a universal but has a bad D pad.

PS3 has a good d pad but bad analogs (loose)

PPS4 has good everything but awkward start/select placement due to touch pad.

I got a wireless blue tooth dongle for 30 bucks off ebay and switch to whatever pad suits my needs at the time. Arcade sticks fun for playing mame games too but that's rarely used.

The original xbox controller is god tier

>>16618498

>PPS4 has good everything

>Hueg is God tier

>Using wireless shit for input lag

No

>>16618505

Modern wireless has no input lag you're going to actually notice. Unless you're using cheap chink shit you're just making shit up.

>Not liking the 2nd xbox controller. Good D pad, good analogs. Good everything you want.

Not reply faggot, neck yourself. Or keep giving me (you)s and making moe people read my post.

>>16617953

I did.

>>16618541

Is that the back of the controller feels weird and the shoulder buttons are pretty loud*

>>16617935

DS3 and WiiU Pro are the most cost-effective options unless you're one of those faggots who likes asymmetric sticks.

>>16617935

Switch Pro controller has a really nice DPad so a 360/Switch combo is really nice. 360 is great for anything not DPad-heavy, so just find a controller with a DPad you like and make it work. 360 + SNES w/ adapter would be really nice.

>>16618292

I wish there was a modern-day gamepad that has 6 face buttons like those fighting pads do, but with analog sticks.

I would even take an N64 controller but goddamn joysticks suck on OEM and on thirdparty sticks, unless you're willing to pay a billion dollars for a metal n64 joystick

>>16617945

Some things translate over to KB+M than others, I found the PSP emulator controls to be really janky on a keyboard so I used a controller instead and had a much better time.

xinput is the most widely supported though you'll need a ds3 for six axis and pressure sensitive face buttons

>>16619208

That pictured controller looks pretty much perfect. I hadn't heard about that, but unless it's obscenely expensive, I'm definitely getting it when it comes out.

>>16617970

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>>16617953

I have a problem with diagonals in legit controllers, specially eregious in Megaman where I slide instead of jumping, maybe my thumbs are too fat (despite not being fat myself.)

My problem with K+M in dark souls would be firing bows and crossbows because it doesn't follow the norm for shooter mechanics despite by design.

Emulation

>iBuffalo SNES USB controller or the controllers the PSClassic ships with. I got a PSC as a gift and the controllers aren't awful, everything else about it is.

<Alternatively, get adapters for actual hardware

General purpose

>Xbone controllers. Be careful about the ones you buy because some are marketed as XBone controllers when they're actually 360 controllers, which are garbage

>>16617935

Hori EDGE 301, with a bias towards emulation because better Dpad and no triggers, hard to break, easy to fix yourself.

Nacon Compact Wired, with a bias towards modern games because good triggers and sticks but the Dpad is worse, shell build quality outclasses anything I've seen elsewhere except for the glossy black plastic on the top.

Memes I fell for

>DS4

Shit sticks, edges around buttons and Dpad is really uncomfortable over long periods, squeaky triggers

>WiiU Pro

Solid choice if wireless is mandatory, not worth it otherwise, lack of triggers

>X360

No

>OG XBOX

Can't actually do anything properly in a lot of modern gamesand on the actual console itself for that matter because RB/LB are in retarded places on both the Duke and the S, good luck getting one that is beat to shit or from hyperkin.

>F310

Worse than the chinkshit in the OP for an usually higher price

>DS3

Falls apart the easiest of any controller I've owned (which includes dubious chinkshit), stick tension way too low, horrible mushy triggers, only worth is being used for PS2 emulation where analog buttons are needed

>OG pads with adapter

You're gonna spend a lot of money getting something that might already be beat to shit and need replacement or maintenance very quickly (and unless it's a NES/SNES pads it's probably never gonna feel as good as it should after that), usually lacks buttons which makes it unusable in anything but the console it came from, DS1/DS2 is solid if you can source one that's an early model and not half destroyed by the previous owner because the pads are fairly cheap even refurbs and the adapters are dirt cheap

Only time it's mandatory is if you want to emulate WM+ games in Dolphin which will also require you to get a special BT adapter if you want your experience to not be shit

Memes I'll end up falling for

>Switch Pro controller

>Modernized Saturn controller clones with two sticks

>Nacon Revolution / Unlimited PRO

>Custom DS4 with separated Dpad segments, adjusted stick tension and microswitches on the shoulders

Switch Pro Controller is the best one I've ever used, DS4 is good too but the triggers are terrible and it's fucking tiny, Xbox One has a nicer size but has a shit dpad and the shoulder buttons are awful however the triggers are really good. I think it's a matter of personal preference.

>>16617953

Are you kidding me? It's actually easier on keyboard and you can perfectly free aim spells with a mouse when you get good. There's also a software tool that doesn't interfere with the game process in any way to separate roll from sprint with extra hotkey, add a hotkey for jump attack, fix attack queueing and more. I have a hundred of hours played in DS2 and at least two hundred in DS3.

The only games I'd play with a gamepad are shit ports that are straight up broken without it, like DMC (literally doesn't have a Start button hotkey that skips videos) and some (or all) Ys games, though I prefer to not play consoleshit in the first place.

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>>16619454

>Not using a fucking dance pad.

You absolute scrubs.

>>16617957

fightan inputs are ez mode on keyboard, especially with a hitbox layout. the problem is ghosting.

>>16619366

>Falls apart the easiest of any controller I've owned (which includes dubious chinkshit), stick tension way too low, horrible mushy triggers

If you bought it new after 2015 then it's 200% guaranteed to be a Chinese knockoff. Real DS3s last basically forever.

>>16619563

I got one of mine packed in with a brand new console around the time the 160GB slim were a thing so I doubt it could be fake, fell apart after one single Bayonetta play through Yes Bayo on PS3, I didn't know any better, same thing with another one I got afterwards, replaced those with some chink made one (Snakebyte, not the retarded looking ones) never had that issue again.

Now I've got a refurb candy blue one that only ever gets used when I want to play something that requires analog controls on face buttons (so MGS3 and that's it), and it feels like it's gonna fall apart at any moment whenever I do.

The DS3 is a fucking atrocious piece of shit and I cannot fathom how anyone would pretend it's not a massive downgrade to the DS2.

>>16617935

Chinese bootlegs. Cheap and abundant.

>>16618937

Digital triggers kills it for me. Aren't there no stick buttons on that one as well?

>>16619985

>Digital triggers kills it for me.

Why? What the fuck would you be using faggy analog triggers for? There's no purpose. There's no value.

Steam controller is actually fairly OK for some of the games that weren't originally designed for controllers

>>16620453

i never installed that software. just install and run xinput and a regular xbox controller driver.

>>16620482

Not only do you not know what the fuck you are talking about, but you also didn't read the post you just replied to

>>16620490

you dont need ds4windows.

are you having an autism fit because you were wrong in the first sentence of your great wall of text?

>>16620453

can confirm, been doing this since they came out : no regret

>>16620453

FYI linux has DS4 support natively

>>16619988

Racing games, emulating GameCube games that require analog triggers.

>>16620502

You don't know what you are talking about. It would be appreciated if you didn't spread your ignorance.

>>16620559

>there is only 1 way to skin a cat.

>dont spread your ignorance by saying you did it a different way

are you ok? maybe you should learn alittle more about a topic before rambling on in a useless post? just a suggestion.

>>16620573

>did it a different way

You didn't skin the cat at all you fucking retard

Plugging an xinput controller into your PC and playing whatever xinput games you had on hand has nothing to do with this thread, which is about old PC games, you fucking cretin

>>16620594

i plugged in a ds4 and installed a program called xinput that lets me remap the controller and run tests on it. its what i use to figure out how bad the analog stick drift is which tells me how to set my dead zone.

with it running i can use the ds4 just as any other input device and map buttons any way i want. i use it with all of my emulators.

what im saying is right.

what youre saying is wrong.

you should apologize for being so new to the hobby as well as this site. maybe lurk for a few more years and learn a thing or two. can you do that?

>>16619985

But digital shoulder buttons are good. Why would you want the buttons most accessible for mashing to be analog? Stick buttons on the other hand have always been stupid faggotry.

>>16620718

>there is only one way to skin a cat

<i did it this way

>no you didnt!

<yes, i did it like this

>y-youre wrong! im not explaining myself!

living with aspergers must be an everyday struggle. just admit you were wrong. this isnt neogaf like you're used to, its anonymous here.

If you know what you're doing

An arduino controller made to fit your preferences

Otherwise: Probably the wii u pro controller.even with digital shoulder buttons 80 hours of power is good shit.

>>16619366

>no triggers

I fucking hate it. I like hori overall except that one thing.

>>16620739

you didn't skin the fucking cat. you downloaded an xinput wrapper. you don't know shit about full/half axis triggers, squared sticks, axis assignments or button bindings because you're a fucking retard who didn't read the very first post

now go and fucking kill yourself

>>16620792

>irrelevant shit

Yep, that's what I thought. Go kill yourself you double nigger

All y'all niggas arguing over how to get a DS4 to work when I just plugged that shit into a fresh Windows 7 install and played games.

>>16618526

>Modern wireless has no input lag you're going to actually notice.

It doesn't matter if we can visually notice it. 10ms latency can be the difference between bing bing wahoo, or falling in a pit

Got a DS3 and been playing with it comfortably, using an Xinput wrapper.

But it doesn't work on games that demand Dinput controllers. How to make the DS3 work on those games?

>>16620911

Place one of these where the dinput.dll file is located in the game directory, it worked for me with NFS Most Wanted (2005):

https://www.dll-files.com/xinput1_3.dll.html

>>16620911

https://inputmapper.com/

i believe this lets you do either input or dinputs.

>>16618019

Yes

I frees up your fingers that would otherwise be on WASD

>>16619242

It's because d-pads are shit, either use four buttons or use a stick. If you still want thumb action, get a Neo Geo controller.

>>16620856

10ms would be a very bad implementation

Wireless signals travel as fast as wired signals

There's no technical reason for wireless to add latency

>>16620930

>>16620933

Thanks anons!

>>16620946

>There's no technical reason for wireless to add latency

Wireless adds at least two trandsducers and one controller. That will almost always be slower than a straight electrical signal over copper.

Electrons move faster than radio waves. Only photons are faster. Last I checked most wireless gamepads use radio waves, not light

>>16621072

forgive typo, im phoneposting at work rn

>>16620946

>10ms is bad implementation

Same concept applies even if you choose 1ms as your figure. If two fortnite redditors click on each other at the same time, the one with .5ms lag will kill the one with 1ms lag

>>16621096

I've never been a fan of wireless gamepads anyway.

You have to either charge them every 6 hours, or replace/switch the AA batteries on the older ones.

I guess that's the one advantage DS3 had, from the start they knew using rechargeable batteries was a waste of resources.

>>16621115

have you considered getting two sets of rechargeable AA's? Then you'd never have down time

>>16621115

It's great until the charging port starts getting fucked up or the internal battery dies.

>>16621072

Radio waves are photons. Radio, micro, light, infrared, uv, xray, and gamma rays all all light. They are all photons. The only difference is their wavelengths.

>>16620835

Sure, it "just works" if you're too retarded to notice that

>L2 and R2 are bound to the Z axis with L2 pushing it left and R2 pushing it right, meaning you can't press both at once

>The analog sticks don't reach the far corners

>Input curves are not tweakable nor are deadzones

>L2 and R2 are axes and therefore not bindable if the game doesn't allow binding axes to actions i.e. Tony Hawk

Using an Xinput wrapper or plugging in a 360 controller "just works" in the same way that using a chromebook as your main PC "just works". It's only passable if you're a fucking retard who doesn't know how to work a computer.

>>16621187

Hmm TIL, thanks

>>16618505

>>16618498

I was top 10 on PC in Tekken 7 for the first couple months. PS4's Dpad is perfect and theres no noticeable input lag. you're just input bad

>>16620930

>>https://www.dll-files.com/xinput1_3.dll.html

>downloading dlls from shady websites

are you an african american?

>>16620554

>Racing games

No, that's what you're using your wheel for. You like racing games, so you have a wheel like a normal human being. If not, that's something else you should be spending your money on instead of another xbox controller.

> emulating GameCube games that require analog triggers

This is the only thing resembling a correct answer, and you could have just said F-Zero GX from the start. Honestly, if your post was just "F-Zero GX" I'd be inclined to say you're right. Even then, the argument could be made that you're better off with a real gamecube controller for that.

>>16621234

Your first point is still on point though. Just because the raw wireless signal is faster than the electric signal, does not mean that the addition processing won't introduce more input lag. The differences in time or arrival between a wireless signal or electric signal from controller to hardware would be in the nano and micro seconds, completely insignificant to the milli-second scale of the input lag from everything else.

>>16621331

>time or arrival

time of arrival

>>16621096

>the one with .5ms lag will kill the one with 1ms lag

Only under very rare circumstances

Games usually process input per frame, rather than immediately

And the netcode usually uses snapshots/frames as well

Not to mention fluctuating ping times and people not being robots playing mirrored game maps

0.5ms advantage maybe gets you the kill over the other guy in like 1 out of 1000+ cases

I just use an Xbox One wireless controller on PC and an 8Bitdo on tablet/phone for emulation.

>>16621609

>>16621819

>>Wireless

Holy shit, they've actually done it. They've actually managed to make the logitech gamepad worse. I would have never believed it if I didn't see it.

>>16621609

>wireless

you…you are not even human anymore!!

>>16617935

I've been using a DS3 for a few years. Have to use something to trick (((windows))) into thinking it's a 360 controller, but it works great for me.

>>16619208

One issue with Saturn reproduction pads is their shoulder buttons - the original used microswitches on those and that's what playSEGA USB pads used, knockoffs tend to have simple membrane buttons instead. It's garbage. The d-pad is more brittle too (the circle is just elevated disc connected with a plastic prong to a cross-shaped plastic "leg", this pushes actual membranes but with cheap shit it breaks a lot)

I use Playstation 1 and 2 controllers with an adapter. A 360 one when I rarely need the triggers. There used to be an anon here who got a bad adapter and insisted they had shit latency, but my own experience is: native = adapter > wireless.

>>16631821

By which I mean wired native/adapter has better (lower) latency compared to wireless. Not greater latency.

I use an xbox one controller and it works just fine.

>>16631798

Don't those enumerate as HID joypad devices anyway? Shit should be driverless.

I'll say this in defense of logitrash controllers: I really like that you can swap the inputs between the "dpad" and left stick. It makes a lot of 3d games a lot more comfortable to play, KH1 and San Andreas in particular.

>>16629987

>bought my wireless adapter

stopped reading there. see >>16622032

>>16631021

Why would you buy inferior garbage that doesn't last when for just $10 more you can get something that will actually work?

>>16631021

Don't come back crying like a fag when your F310's shitty floaty dpad stops registering directions.

Anyone who uses gamepads on a fucking PC is a retard and shouldn't be playing vidya

>>16621267

If you have Nights Into Dreams on Steam (You fucking should, it was free several times), you have a clean copy of it.

Alternatively you can probably just copy the one from the system32 folder of Windows 7.

>>16619208

I have the blue shell retrobit usb genesis controller and it really feels like it's made out of cheap plastic when compared to an original. I do not know what crack these people are smoking when they say they can't tell retrobit's one apart from an original.

I would suggest the Xbox One controller. It has a way better D-pad than the Xbox 360 controller and I love the one I have for my PC.

>>16618937

good post the mayflash is 19 on 'zon and 18 on 'bay and I think one of my buddies has one lying around.

>>16620453

great post also, get out the fucking popcorn lads

>>16620453

I have both 360 and DS4. The DS4 isn't bad but I prefer the 360 simply because I find its shape and layout more ergonomic and comfortable to use, and the analog sticks are more precise.

>but muh dpad

The dpad on DS4 is almost as shit as the 360, just a different flavor of shit.

>Xbox 360 controller is good for pc gaming but sucks for emulation.

The fuck does that even mean? Are you implying that Xinput can't be used with emulators, or that 360 pads can't be used with Dinput, both of which are false?

>>16617945

>he doesn't play action platformers that require assloads of inputs

Pretty sure the scrub here is you. My fingers were aching by the time I got halfway through Cave Story. Switched to a controller and was fine afterwards.

I've an Xbox 360 controller for modern games, an 8bitdo SF30 for 8/16 bits consoles emulation and a Gamecube controller adapter for PS and N64 emulation.

>>16658982

>>but muh dpad

>The dpad on DS4 is almost as shit as the 360, just a different flavor of shit.

Don't say things you know that aren't true, anon. The fact that the DS4 dpad isn't a wobbly see-saw alone makes it miles better than the 360 pad or any aftermarket knockoff garbage.

For PC it's the ds4, for emulation the correct controller for each console.

DS3

>>16620453

The dpad isn't precise enough on the DS4. It's a real fucker when you're trying to stay in a diagonal.

>>16659062

That is the only thing I dislike about DS4 dpad, but I hate see-saw dpads as well. Life is hell.

>>16659062

>>16659068

Get bigger thumbs you fucking children.

>>16659194

It's not about size, you idiot. A good d-pad should be able to be rocked from the center.

>>16659194

What does the size of my thumb have to do with returning to neutral?

>>16659244

How hard is it for your little baby thumbs to hold two dpad buttons to stay in a diagonal?

>>16659008

>The fact that the DS4 dpad isn't a wobbly see-saw alone makes it miles better than the 360 pad or any aftermarket knockoff garbage.

But the DS4 dpad also feels like a wobbly see-saw, only it's below a case with the dpad corners sticking out. The wobbly feeling isn't as strong as the 360, but it's still bad. It's a specific problem with the DS4 since the dpads on DS3 and previous iterations are much better.

However, I've also never been a fan of Sony's dpad shape with the hollow center since I don't have a gorilla thumb. Sadly if a good dpad is important to you a Nintendo controller is the only way, but I don't emulate or play games that require dpads often enough to justify buying yet another controller, so I just put up with the shitty dpads on 360 and DS4.

I agree with you that all aftermarket gamepads are complete trash, though I haven't even tested any in over 7 years, before the current retro-style gamepad craze with brands like 8bitdo. So maybe there are a few good ones now, I wouldn't know.

>>16659194

>>16659226

My thumbs are actually massive. I can use the Duke comfortably and never complained about it other than those shitty white and black buttons. It's just not a dpad that feels great diagonally. I don't get any feedback and am left hoping that I didn't accidentally move my thumb too far in one direction. Xbox dpads solve this by having a between area you can press diagonally, but I also don't like the way it feels like a big flat disc.

>>16659271

I actually never use the center indentation on DS4, I always put my thumbs on the outside of the 4 dpad sections. That may be a reflection of how long my thumbs are or how retarded I am.

>>>/v/16660777

>>anime loli pic

>>16659271

I've broken the dpad mesh on my ds4 twice from arc sys fighters, not really impressed

usb snes controller.

>>16617935

A saturn pad for 2d games and a switch pro controller for 3d games.

>Xbox 360 controller is good

Get the fuck out.

What's the most convenient/least laggy way to hook up Switch Pro to PC via USB? Bluetooth and Steam controller support feel completely unplayable.

>>16666144

stop shilling that specific stick

>>16666200

He has to justify his purchase somehow.

I'm looking into getting a new controller for emulation and general purpose games. I don't even own a PS4 but honestly it's the only controller that seems decent for everything since I don't really feel like swapping around controllers depending on what game I'm playing and the 8bitdo design is made for tiny little subhuman jap hands and their pro design isn't out any time soon. Problem is the PS4 controller is pretty expensive. I would just go with the PS3 controller but it's impossible to find genuine ones these days and there's counter-fit chink clones everywhere trying to be sold as the real thing so I'd rather not get scammed.

Anyone have cheaper suggestions for maybe a reputable 3rd party controller with thumbsticks and a solid d-pad? Besides the no handles 8bitdo of course.

>>16618034

I heard that the analogue stick regularly get stuck on those controllers. Have they fixed this problem yet?

I have one of those shitty logictech F310 I got on sale for 10. Shit dpad but it works.