3c4f26 No.16614632
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/platinum-boss-says-next-gen-consoles-more-of-the-same/
>Asked for his reaction to the platform holders’ plans, Inaba said: “It’s OK. And by that I mean, I’m sure that things will move faster, graphics will be better and maybe it will be easier with less wait times… that’s good for the consumer.
>“But it’s more of the same, quite frankly, compared to previous generations. It’s nothing that’s disruptive or super innovative, if you ask me.”
>He added: “Game hardware used to be about custom chips that you couldn’t do on PCs. Now you look at it and they’re just grabbing stuff that already exists.
>“The Switch, for example, is a Tegra which already existed and the other consoles are using very similar chips and graphics cards to what you see on PCs, but maybe slightly updated. None of it seems unique to that hardware anymore.”
Then he went on and praised stadia as example of something innovative.
How do you feel game devs are FINALLY realizing what we knew since ps3 and xbox 360 came out
ff297c No.16614645
Ok I guess.
Wasnt consoles about trying to find interesting ways around lower end hardware? That was it was cheaper for the consumer?
6ef7df No.16614648
>>16614632
>Then he went on and praised stadia as example of something innovative
d5911c No.16614651
>>16614632
but stadia is still the same hardware just moved to a datacenter.
why does it matter anyway, no custom chip will ever be as fast as a chip from intel, AMD or nvidia without spending literal billions in R&D.
821a61 No.16614652
>>16614632
>>16614648
Did he actually praise it, or just say Stadia is different from the usualy stuff and translator faggotry decided to add "praise" because of anti-Japan bullshit?
9d9b5d No.16614653
>praising stadia as an example of something innovative.
I guess they didn't have OnLive back in Japan or he wouldn't be saying that.
6ef7df No.16614657
>>16614645
For gen 6 it was about selling great hardware at a loss and making up for it attach rate. Today it's about selling lower-mid tier hardware at a huge profit and then having 1-2 great exclusives.
d5911c No.16614668
>>16614657
sony started the trend of selling hardware at a loss with the ps3 and continued with the ps4.
566a03 No.16614672
a3407d No.16614674
>>16614632
>How do you feel game devs are FINALLY realizing what we knew since ps3 and xbox 360 came out
Except the PS3 and 360 were the exact opposite of what he was saying, dipshit. Both of those ran Power Architecture based CPUs but the PS3's Cell processor was wholly different from the Xenon processor in the 360. Compare this to the current gen simply using x86 AMD Jaguar APUs which weren't that much different from AMDs desktop CPU and GPU offerings, and the next gen pretty much being pre-built gaming PCs with AMD Zen 2 APUs using Navi GPUs.
f7d410 No.16614689
>>16614632
>More of the same
While I agree, has solid state as ram in computers been done before? Because that did interest me, though its the only thing that microsoft has done that has truely interested me in a long long time.
7c2d22 No.16614695
>>16614645
Nintendo's typical practise was "lateral thinking with outdated technology" which relied more on innovation than tech horsepower. Other companies typically focused on simply shoving more tech in the machine to compete. That tech costs money, which means selling at a loss.
>>16614668
>>16614657
Selling at a loss to recoup money on software licensing is the norm in the industry, has been since nearly the start (except Nintendo who sells hardware at a profit, with very few exceptions).
d5911c No.16614711
>>16614695
was the ps2 really sold at a loss? it was a weak piece of shit so must not have been expensive to produce.
7c2d22 No.16614718
>>16614711
The Emotion Engine chip cost a hell of a lot of money in R&D and was expensive to manufacture early on. That's why companies do revisions as the years go on (PS2 Slim, etc) because the chipsets get reduced in size and complexity and are cheaper to manufacture than the original.
1aced8 No.16614758
>>16614668
At least the PS3 continued to have a custom chip. PS4 is literally a processor you can rip out of a tablet. They're bragging about Zen and Navi in the PS5. In 3 years, that's just gonna be some dude's PC. Consoles are just PCs with walled gardens, really makes you wonder why Microsoft insists on continuing the Xbox brand.
d5911c No.16614764
>>16614758
garbage CPU weaker than PC hardware at the time and harder to work on.
f7d410 No.16614769
>>16614758
Double walled garden.
7ac34b No.16614931
>>16614668
Actually, every Sony console was sold at a loss until recently. (Do they still? Sony as a whole isn't doing well, with PlayStation being the only currently profitable division.)
I think Microsoft still does it because Xbox also couples as their R&D department. I don't remember where I read that, but seeing Windows adopt Xbox menu features makes it believable enough. Despite the money Xbox has made, it's usually only been a loss or small profit at best due to its high costs. (Also can't forget the RRoD fiasco with early 360s.)
Nintendo never sold at a loss until 3DS/WiiU to make up for poor initial sales. They always used lower end hardware to cut costs. SNES was a notable exception having better specs than the Genesis at everything except clock speed, but that was because it released later in its generation when the better hardware would have been cheaper. Arguably this could apply to Gamecube to an extent which was more powerful than DC and PS2, and released after them. However, it still wasn't as powerful as Xbox.
821a61 No.16614945
>>16614931
I though the Playstation division being their only profitable section was misinformation? Do their morgage and insurance branches not pull their own weight too?
7026a2 No.16614950
>>16614632
>gaming industry is stagnant and shitty
<but because of the hardware and not the out-of-control greed, lack of creativity, fear of risk taking, blind loyalty shills, culture-wars, anti-consumer practices, etc
Baka Platinum man. A custom chip on next-gen consoles wouldn't magically fix this festering, cancerous industry
bd4c7d No.16614965
>>16614632
Well that's unfortunate, I mean say what you will about the Wii, Dreamcast, PSX, or the DS, but I liked how they switched up the controller layout and tried different things. Like with the switch I love how it's two controllers with one layout, but I hate how there's no IR or motion control support for most games. Hopefully Switch Pro/Lite will change this.
485e2a No.16614968
>Stadia
>Innovative
It's strictly regressive. The last thing we need in modern games is MORE input lag and heavily compressed video output.
f0c2f5 No.16615060
>finally realizing
>pushes vidya streaming games-as-a-service
I'll drop my favorite hobby before I stream a video game
26fe65 No.16615084
>>16614711
PS1 and PS2 became cheaper to produce over time so its not really a loss after a certain point.
>>16615050
Nonsense, PC consistently outstrips consoles with nuXcom titles every time even though theoretically the console market should be larger. The reality is that different groups prefer different games outside a very small few which are universal to both.
10926d No.16615087
>>16615042
Countersage for contributing nothing.
b26dba No.16615095
This guy's mentality is the same problem "progressive people" have.
I do agree with him that the lack of innovation is boring. But something like streaming games shouldn't be confused as innovation, and just because it's different or new doesn't mean that it's better or beneficial to anyone at all. He goes the right way saying that consoles should have modified chips to justify having one and not just a PC that can do basically the same thing.
Want innovation? What about a console that is easier for developers to develop in? What about something that doesn't push for ultra-realistic graphics and instead tries a different kind of gimmick? Oh no, only nintendo do that. But hey? What about the same fucking thing as always, but this time in streaming!? That should do!
b97ec7 No.16615105
its DEDICATED hardware
should take maximum advantage of DEDICATED part
26fe65 No.16615164
>>16615103
This is directly related to what you claim, "nobody is gonna develop games for 3% of the market". Fact is nuXcom was specifically catered to consolefags, but it was the PC sales which were the highest at every count. Other nuXcom clones are also generally more popular on PC, not consoles. The two crowds just like different games.
f3aa6b No.16615182
>>16614968
You've gotta admit, not many people would think of adding input lag and video compression.
3745ca No.16615193
>>16614632
I still don't see why we have to have new consoles now. What ever happened to the 10 year promise from Sony? Just wait til you can natively include VR and Move without it costing a ludicrous amount of money and stay on your still-perfectly-fine console.
79fbc5 No.16615194
isn't this just a reposted thread from 4um
bd4c7d No.16615223
4ae32e No.16615254
>>16614632
I see the redditor wandered out of his tard pen again. Warms my heart knowing normalfaggots like this are allowed to post here while Mark deletes dozens of posts every day.
79fbc5 No.16615260
>>16615254
isn't it an MDE quote
I could have sworn I've heard that for years
4ae32e No.16615267
>>16615260
I admit I'm not familiar with MDE, but I've only ever seen it posted by the retard in the fighting game thread. I (unfortunately) spend time with zoomers once or twice a week, and they usually indirectly tell me what brainfucking jargon is popular. I've never heard that line from any of them.
6276d4 No.16615268
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>>16614645
>Wasnt consoles about trying to find interesting ways around lower end hardware?
No, originally consoles were about trying to bring the arcade experience home. For Nintendo, this meant going the family computer route to make half-assed ports before giving up and throwing their full weight behind home consoles. For Sega, this often meant the hardware they developed for the arcades would get modified and pared down to a consumer pricepoint - or they developed their own unique hardware to provide a platform they could port arcade games to.
As a game playing medium, Arcade machines were usually much more powerful than PCs and were priced accordingly, such that unless you made a business using that machine to bilk quarters out of gullible kids - they weren't economical. Even consoles for the longest time were much more powerful than contemporary PCs - but this advantaged was tempered by being much more difficult to develop for, since each new hardware release meant you had to learn how to code for it all over again from scratch, and some of them were really complicated. So you'd see games at the end of the system's life that looked significantly better than launch titles. Whereas today, in modern consoles, launch titles still look good compared to new releases - and they all look like shit compared to PC games.
d5911c No.16615283
>>16615268
consoles were only more powerful than PCs during the 80s, mostly because PC hardware was more general purpose than the more specialized hardware found in consoles.
f1a30c No.16615288
>>16615283
Completely fucking wrong faggot. The Sega Saturn was more powerful than PCs of its time for example
6a1d9a No.16615299
>>16614632
>Game hardware used to be about custom chips that you couldn’t do on PCs. Now you look at it and they’re just grabbing stuff that already exists.
This is a good thing, and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. Thousands upon thousands of man hours were wasted trying to get games to run on The Cell™ in 256 MB of RAM. It is much easier to develop for standardized hardware, which should theoretically lead to higher quality games. But, of course the higher ups just see it as a faster time to market & we keep churning out garbage… I wonder who could be responsible for that?
4d6da5 No.16615303
>>16615223
http://archive.is/S9SPP
Well there's a thread about it there, but with a different OP pic. You be the judge since it's news.
6e5817 No.16615305
>>16614945
>>16614931
>PlayStation being the only currently profitable division
That's a lie that keeps being repeated. Check the digital camera industry, Sony basically did a massive turning point back in 2014 that made many companies downright rethink what will happen in the future.
They made an extremely capable professional camera at relatively low cost, along with changing the game at low-light (can produce low-noise photos at almost pitch black conditions). Problem is Sony shat their pants and made a crucial error that saved most cameras' neck: They made the thing too small to be usable in heavy duty/harsh environments, and the one they released was given less support than the Vita even when it was considered the best camera in its range that money can buy.
Look it up, the Sony Alpha series. Basically Sony has been giving giant steps in the field but keeps making absurd blunders or omissions that many photographers believe it's all a conspiracy to avoid a monopoly, either from ideaguy sabotage to all the companies being owned by the same group of friends.
d5911c No.16615313
>>16615288
that shit couldn't run quake, intels pentium was more powerful.
f440ae No.16615319
>>16614632
I agree with everything up to the Stadia. Preaching to the chior but this is a step back in many regards. Game streaming isn't innovative. It's as shit now as it was 5 yrs ago. The idea of playing games on your phone has been shit for a long time, even with out F2P bullshit. Also, and this might be just me, but i want to own my games, PHYSICALLY. Games being fully digital is a nightmare to me. Just look at how mismanaged it is. Look at PT and Scott Pilgrim. Look at the sheer retardation at Epic. The Stadia is not innovative.
Sorry for the autistic wall of text, but i had to get this retardation off my chest. Christ, Platinum.
b7294f No.16615321
>>16615299
Standardized hardware leads to stagnation.
33cd83 No.16615324
When is the console meme going to die? Even normalfags will wake up to this shit eventually, right?
6276d4 No.16615332
>>16615299
No, completely unique architecture that was difficult to develop for created a barrier to entry that kept hacks the fuck out of the market. It made ports more difficult to create economically, since each game had to be basically rewritten from scratch for each new piece of hardware. This meant that each hardware platform had their own unique and worthwhile library of games and increased the level of competition between companies while also providing a significantly imposing hurdle for success that would completely fuck you if you couldn't compete. Now companies like Sony and MS don't even have to really try. The platforms are pretty much identical outside of a handful of first party exclusives that really just boil down to Zombie/Millennial Indy Jones/Norse/Feminist Apocalypse/etc flavored TLoU cinematic experiences - or low-effort online multiplayer GaS shit.
And even THOSE are starting to go multiplatform. For all the ease of use of these new systems - almost never is it put to use in actually making games better. It just goes into making games LOOK better - and then fucking it up with cutting edge garbage filters that make games look like movies shot with a broken camera some indie film autist could afford at a pawn shop. Oversaturated, filled with bloom, and smeared to shit with over-aggressive DoF and Motion Blur.
b7294f No.16615334
>>16615324
There will always be room for dedicated vidya machines, especially handhelds. Normalfags want something to hook up to their TV and play splitscreen on when their buddies come over.
f440ae No.16615340
>>16615319
Other than that, yeah the jump from gen to gen is adding less and less. Soyny and Microshaft consoles are just adding more storage and less loading times and higher resolution. I'd say we plateued around the PS2 era, but that's me. Overall I'm 50/50. I'm glad he called out the lack of innovation, but he has to realize the Stadia is not innovative.
1f15ea No.16615392
>>16615319
Plus someone can straight up steal your account on PS4 and make it so that you have to log in every time through the "primary PS4" system if you want to play a game that has DLC on it.
You have to wait a literal 6 months to change your PS4 back and customer service is so used to this shit that they literally hand password resets out in a minute.
It's an unsecure service and the quality control is literally non-existant on every side except Nintendo which makes the physical console the key and they've been exceedingly protective by way of simply not having social features.
Game streaming, if implemented majorly is GOING to be mismanaged and fucking hard for the whole duration of it's existance. Don't buy into it, tech companies acquire data, they don't secure it.
f1a30c No.16615420
>>16615313
A few ported games running better on native platforms doesn't mean the native platforms are more powerful. What's more, the Saturn sold for much cheaper. Its RAM advantage alone would've costed more than an entire Saturn to achieve on PC (16 MB when 8 was only achieving adoption among PCs and for high cost as well)
https://www.relativelyinteresting.com/comparing-todays-computers-to-1995s/
f4147d No.16615428
>>16615095
There's nothing about Nintendo's hardware that makes it different from its competitors.
23547d No.16615436
>>16615324
>normalfags
>waking up
If they haven't by now they won't realize something is afoot until they're working 60 hours a week to live in a tent, eat insect paste, and play smartphone games.
fa4700 No.16615442
>>16615428
Don't you know? You can play it on your TV, or on the go!
4106df No.16615466
6276d4 No.16615467
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>>16615442
>Don't you know? You can play it on your TV, or on the go!
Really? Tell me more about this amazing innovation which is surely the first time it has ever been tried, because Nintendo is so innovative and original that nobody else can even keep up with them.
I actually own a Sega Nomad. It's pretty sweet, except the battery life and the screen is shit. I don't really want to modify it though. Feels like sacrilege.
8e02c9 No.16615524
>>16614632
>“Game hardware used to be about custom chips that you couldn’t do on PCs. Now you look at it and they’re just grabbing stuff that already exists.
Why can't they still do this if they wanted? Why are the console makers being such faggots now days?
3748ec No.16615532
>>16615467
I don't know anybody who has claimed that this is the first time a hybrid handheld/TV console has been done. It's convenient whether it's novel or not.
9d698e No.16615546
>>16615095
Stadia effectively has no system requirements and that is innovation for the console space. Is it a new chip? Nope.
b26dba No.16615553
>>16615546
>Stadia effectively has no system requirements
How would you call a ridiculously high band width?
9d698e No.16615558
>>16615553
For the developer on the server moron.
1a358e No.16615623
>>16614652
>The Platinum boss said he’s more excited about the “innovation” presented by cloud platforms such as Google’s Stadia.
>“It’s hard to get excited about stuff that kind of already exists, but has been repurposed to a certain degree,” he said.
>“That’s why for me, things like cloud platforms represent innovation and something very, very different – they’re platforms that excite me and where I feel there is a lot more innovation happening.”
Take that for what you will.
d5911c No.16615647
>>16615420
1. consoles needed that much RAM because cds are were slow and didn't have a main storage unlike PCs.
2. you're basically agreeing with >>16614645 by saying it was cheaper to buy a saturn than a high end PC.
82da84 No.16615652
>>16615623
>Take that for what you will.
We all took it for what it was. Another higher up regurgitating PR nonsense so he doesn't stick out like a sore thumb or conflict with other business partners.
bfb866 No.16615801
Anyone praising Stadia is a cuck who deserves to be put down.
Online "streaming" game is basically "YOU DON'T OWN SHIT GOYIM".
2972a7 No.16615832
>>16615420
You're confusing Mbits and MB. The Saturn had 16 Mbits (2 MB) of ram standard, or a max of 6 MB with the ram expansion cart which only a few Capcom and SNK games took advantage of.
Meanwhile, by the time the Saturn was released 8 MB wasn't "achieving adoption" on PCs, in mid 1995 8 MB ram was already standard with 16 MB not being rare among enthusiasts, gamers and workstations. 4 MB was toaster tier already.
t. had a 16 MB 486 when the Saturn came out
NeoGeo CD actually had 8 MB of ram though.
0e5ea2 No.16615869
Sounds like a doctor who can't help but be happy and excited about discovering a new disease. "I mean, sure my patient is going to die a horrible agonizing death, but I'm just so excited that I'll get to name the new type of tumor and get my name in a medical textbook!"
9e496d No.16615893
>>16614632
As long as games can't even run in 4K with a stable 60 FPS, we're getting nowhere.
c41eb5 No.16615963
>>16615893
Native or upscaled?
a58f1c No.16615986
>>16615623
They're Jap devs, the Jap market has become increasingly dominated by portable games because of how much time people spend on trains. If game streaming can get to the point where real-ass games can reliably streamed to handheld devices that'd be a big break for real devs in Japan.
5a3c49 No.16616004
>>16615986
Platinum is staffed by retarded higher-ups that thought it'd be smart to divert resources to making shovelware for Activision and Microsoft, this is not a hard concept to understand.
a58f1c No.16616010
>>16616004
Making shovelware is a time-honored tradition for independent devs.
c41eb5 No.16616066
>>16616004
>retarded higher-ups that thought it'd be smart to divert resources to making shovelware for Activision and Microsoft
As I understand it, Platinum wanted to make the Transformers game, and Activision gave them a blank check as long as they developed two other games.
As for Scalebound, that had to do with how the people in charge of Microsoft's gaming division were severely retarded. Look up how, when Darkside was making the Phantom Dust remake, M$ kept changing the deal after every meeting (Like what happened with Platinum and Scalebound), M$ refused to increase the budget needed for the game to accommodate all the new demands being made, and then left the studio twisting in the wind with no support after cancelling the entire project out of the blue. Then, there was Fable Legends and Project Spark which had beta releases, ran for a good year, and then were shut down without any warning. And, that's also leaving out how Halo 5 and Crackdown 3 restarted development several times before being kicked out the door because M$ didn't like the direction the game was going, the main staff kept leaving because "Fuck this shit", and/or they needed a "big" release to fill their schedule.
f86ca9 No.16616079
>>16614632
>How do you feel game devs are FINALLY realizing what we knew since ps3 and xbox 360 came out
Jessica Chobot of IGN said the 360 was much of the same in 2005. J Allard responded by saying "We could have designed it to be used in the bathtub."
Read up on your gaming history fag.
f86ca9 No.16616085
>>16616066
Platinum was funneling money and resources from Scalebound to Nier: Automata. The fact that Kamiya took blame for the failure of the game admits as much.
MS did a 180 on wanting a Phantom Dust game. Instead of just stopping the checks and breaking the contract risking lawsuits, they just did what corporations do to people to fire them: make up bullshit, demand contradictory or impossible things then fire the person for not meeting standards.
e77a1a No.16616089
All the "innovation" in the world ain't gonna help the fact that game design hasn't gone anywhere genuinely since 2001 and games are literally 100x bloated.
Hell you could make the argument that games are worse than 2001 because of the endless cancer that is THE DEVELOPER'S VISION and THE COMPETITIVE COMMUNITY leading everything on a never ending downward spiral of restricted gameplay.
c41eb5 No.16616090
>>16616085
>Platinum was funneling money and resources from Scalebound to Nier: Automata
Got a source to that?
f86ca9 No.16616092
>>16615299
Agreed, and millions and millions of dollars were wasted on developing exotic ways to render 3d like Saturn's quads, Nvidia's first chip using quadratic formulas before going to polygons and much more.
f86ca9 No.16616100
>>16616090
It was the first time a japanese studio canned by MS admitted fault. Level 5 made their game which was too esoteric and japaneesy, MS didnt like it and cancelled it and Level 5 has yet to touch a Xbox dev kit again.
0ab865 No.16616108
>>16615986
japan is also maybe the only country with internet that's even close to be viable for streaming vidya
c41eb5 No.16616109
>>16616100
Do you have a source on detailing that Platinum funneled money?
e0ef2a No.16616615
>>16615164
I'm talking about the high end market, most pc gamers out there barely have specs better than consoles, if at all. I don't care about how a pc franchise sold well on pc.
f0675e No.16617140
>>16614645
>Wasnt consoles about trying to find interesting ways around lower end hardware? That was it was cheaper for the consumer?
Now this niche is conquered by smartphones. Zero price.
dc3911 No.16617190
>>16614632
>Then he went on and praised stadia as example of something innovative.
Fuck.
350d63 No.16617203
>>16616109
where's the gameplay for scalebound, what is so unique about it in that time? it was just generic cgi with a generic hack and slash we've seen a million times but the gimmick was drakengard with donte with nero's demon arm, very original to a T.
and to answer your question ask them yourself, I've be surprises if it true.
d6b3f8 No.16617233
I fucking hope so. I always hated Nintendo gimmicks. The PS5 needs to be just a more powerful PS4. Traditional console: no streaming, no VR, no always online, no motion controls.
Oh and From you can fuck off with your smug attitude all you have been doing the last 10 years is Dark Souls.
acea47 No.16617373
>>16615313
The PS1 took a shit all over PCs because it could do 3D graphics. It was the PS1 which pushed the 3d accelator hardware into PCs.
>>16617203
So no, you're just making shit up.
ed9a73 No.16617475
The only positive the switch has over the over downgrade pc consoles is its portable. Thats literally the only reason I can think of buying it
70cd56 No.16617989
>>16617373
>It was the PS1 which pushed the 3d accelator hardware into PCs.
Is this what zoomers actually believe?
c15db6 No.16618284
>>16617373
>The PS1 took a shit all over PCs
Is your head up your ass for the warmth? Thats a completely bullshit and fabricated lie.
e2e92a No.16618354
>>16614648
She's getting a big fat dick stuffed in her loli butthole in that pic, you know.
6f69df No.16618392
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>>16617373
a pentium II PC in 96 could do audio and graphics on the CPU with the same quality as a playstation. (look at tomb raider on MSDOS).
add a voodoo and you're almost into dreamcast territory.
87c01b No.16618428
>>16617373
PS1's are shite in hardware power. A PC beat them easily. The things that were done with so little, though, are a testament against anti-bloat.
87c01b No.16618429
bfb866 No.16618565
>>16617233
It's fucking Platinum, not From.
350d63 No.16618976
>>16617373
and you took the bait shill
d42d7b No.16619368
>>16614632
>That’s why for me, things like cloud platforms represent innovation and something very, very different – they’re platforms that excite me and where I feel there is a lot more innovation happening.
>The Switch, for example, is a Tegra which already existed and the other consoles are using very similar chips and graphics cards to what you see on PCs, but maybe slightly updated. None of it seems unique to that hardware anymore.
Switch has loads of good hardware design decisions though
Stock hardware is great though, it's what you do with it that counts, and Switch is the only console that isn't just a PC with limited software compatibility.
>>16615095
The key "innovation" from streaming platforms is that they bypass the initial buy in which is the big barrier to entry for video games, it really is progressive mentality, they are putting ahead gains in power over peoples rights.
>>16617475
It's also the only console that is a console where you can just pop in a game and play it, there's still a bunch of retarded faults though
>paid online
>no games
>build problems
>no support from third parties
It's a depressing return to form for video game platforms.
d43403 No.16619413
>>16614695
>Nintendo's typical practise was "lateral thinking with outdated technology"
That only started with the Wii in regards to home consoles. The GameCube had superior hardware to PS2 (it was limited by minidiscs just like N64 was with cartridges, though).
024aff No.16619438
>>16614632
>Then he went on and praised stadia
b7707d No.16619538
>>16619368
>bypass the initial buy in which is the big barrier to entry for video games
Personally I think if you can't afford a console you have bigger problems in your life than videogames. But lets not forget that subscriptions don't necessarily save you money. If you subscribe to Stadia for 2 years you're $200 down.
b7707d No.16619541
>>16618565
Platinum is even more shit than From so whatever. Hardcore gamer darlings though.
Now that I think about it why should anyone in the industry care what Platinum says?
65f8b1 No.16619543
>>16619368
>It's also the only console that is a console where you can just pop in a game and play it,
If you complain about the matter of patches/updates, the Switch is also affected by this on the same level as the PS4 and Vita. Add also the fact where certain publishers like Capcom or Bethesda force you to download the rest of the game because they were cheap bastards on the switch cartridges.
>no support from third parties
Most of its library are vidya I already have on PS4 and Vita so it feels quite redundant, and the Switch doesnt have the extra firepower to handle certain franchises like EDF for example (which already chugs on a non-pro PS4) so it's more a downgrade personally. If Nintendo actually tried to bring back N64 and Gamecube games on the Switch (instead of NES/SNES shit that you can emulate on everything), I could reconsider it however.
fef485 No.16619691
I have a prophecy for you.
Just like nowadays you have retarded newfags believe that PC gaming is free because they don't factor in the hardware (paid by mom and dad), so tomorrow you will have kids who believe gaming as a whole is free.
Because they will be playing on google consoles which are subscription based, with no initial deposit, and are tied to your social credit system.
000000 No.16619731
>>16614632
Reminder that to everyone in the modern industry, "innovative" means "new ways to scam the consumer" and "how to take away consumer's control and ownership over any product".
11a272 No.16619750
>>16617233
>Planning to buy a PS5
AHAHAHAHAHAH AND YET I KEEP SEEING FAGGOTS PRETENDING LIKE THE PS5 WON'T DO WELL BECAUSE OF WESTERNIZATION DESPITE THE BRAND BEING FILLED WITH COCKSUCKING DRONES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD
c7508e No.16619781
>>16614632
>He added: “Game hardware used to be about custom chips that you couldn’t do on PCs. Now you look at it and they’re just grabbing stuff that already exists.
Who cares, ALL VIDEOGAMES are born of a PC
>He added: “Game hardware used to be about custom chips that you couldn’t do on PCs. Now you look at it and they’re just grabbing stuff that already exists.
Another step to not owning games. FUCK OFF!
>>16617233
>fucking hope so. I always hated Nintendo gimmicks. The PS5 needs to be just a more powerful PS4. Traditional console: no streaming, no VR, no always online, no motion controls.
Maybe will be the most powerful console of the earth but I can asure that IT WILL HAVE THE MOST CENSORED GAMES OF THE EARTH.
c7508e No.16619783
>>16619781
point two is for Stadia
6fa25d No.16619818
>>16615268
>So you'd see games at the end of the system's life that looked significantly better than launch titles
Fuck you for reminding me man, that was all a part of the magic of consoles that were actually consoles.
65f8b1 No.16619862
>>16619781
>but I can assure that IT WILL HAVE THE MOST CENSORED GAMES OF THE EARTH.
Nevermind most modern ecchi vidya are rather mediocre when they solely rely on "muh dick culture" bait while shoving tons of DLCs into your throat as a legal consumer. While I still had fun with those games, I wont cry for their disappearance either. And I heavily doubt japanese fanservice as a whole will be wiped out within Sony Japan, probably more back to how things were during the PS1-PS2 days at worst unlike what some autistic retarded anons are wildly imagining. I do expect the PS5 shoving more online features (since everything has to be connected to Internet these days) while it will have nogaems for a long time
fd0121 No.16619917
>>16615334
>Normalfags want something to hook up to their TV and play splitscreen
Not been able to do that for years anon, Its all online play now.
d42d7b No.16621214
>>16619538
I never implied that it was a good thing but it's more the point, the lower barrier to entry is what's made phone games the juggernaut they are now, both in terms of the platform that people consider a necessity these days, and the free to play nature of the games that become big on that platform. For a console it's a bit of a gamble, consumers aren't really going to be sure that that $399 - $499 will even be worthwhile, especially relevant to early adoption, but if it's only $10 a month with no strings attached, it's a much easier sell.
Hopefully streaming services don't become the standard.
>>16619543
>If you complain about the matter of patches/updates, the Switch is also affected by this on the same level as the PS4 and Vita
It's nowhere near the ps4 though, you don't need to install all games before playing because the medium they are stored on isn't just a drm system. a lot of games, especially Nintendo ones can be popped in and played, no day 1 mandatory patch, no online check, just play the game, even the ui is simple. Obviously this isn't always the cost since a lot of developers are extremely lazy and want to gain any edge they can. Rayman Legends comes standard on a 4GB cartridge, even though publishing the game to an 8GB cart was price competitive with publishing a game to a PS4/Xbox One, Ubisoft actively chose a cheaper option to extract additional income from consumers at the cost of the games quality.
Switch is definitely the most console like console of the bunch now, it's the only one where any game not published lazily can be popped in and played straight away.
>and the Switch doesnt have the extra firepower to handle certain franchises like EDF for example
Switch can't make a lazy developer apply effort
>If Nintendo actually tried to bring back N64 and Gamecube games on the Switch (instead of NES/SNES shit that you can emulate on everything), I could reconsider it however.
That's never going to happen, you're never going to own one, don't worry, you aren't missing out on much.
6276d4 No.16621989
>>16618392
>a pentium II PC in 96
There were no such things as Pentium II PC's in 96, since the Pentium II didn't launch until early 1997, and the video card in that embed (Voodoo 3) didn't come out until 1999.
The Playstation came out in 1994/5.
And I never claimed that consoles lead PCs in power throughout their lifespans, but upon initial release - were more powerful, being designed specifically to play games - not just being spreadsheet machines with a 3D card slapped on. The first Voodoo cards were absolute trash at 2D, and could barely keep up with consoles in 3D space. And it's not exactly like there were a lot of graphics APIs around either. You had.. what… OpenGL and Glide? DirectX didn't come along until 96 either, and it's still largely garbage to this day.
Point being, modern consoles are already a year out of date before they're even launched - whereas they used to have about a year or year and a half lead on PC gaming.
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d62645 No.16622204
>>16621989
where does this meme that PCs in the 90s where slow comes from? P5 and P6 pentiums were faster than all consoles, you didn't need a 3D accelerator card back then.
d4b602 No.16622541
>>16615324
Normalfags already woke, that's why they killed PC gaming.