/v/ - Video Games

>Caring about le lore of Sekiro

The game is too barebones and Miyahacki knows he can't make an action game that stands on its own two feet without convoluted L O R E for faggots like Vaati to make videos of.

good dlc is shit

>>16609196

Do you have a source?

>>16609253

>>16609248

There's nothing wrong with expansion pack style DLC.

>>16609261

>there's nothing wrong with expansion packs

>there's nothing wrong with dlc

>there's nothing wrong with patches

>there's nothing wrong with early access

Wrong

>>16609273

>>there's nothing wrong with expansion packs

Are you actually implying that expansion packs are bad?

>>16609277

Yes, imagine paying a full game and some fucking asshole decides that my game wasn't finished in the first place and tricked everyone into thinking they brought a full game only to be robbed of that idea and instead you have to buy a stupid fucking dobson-tier inflation pack for your videogame for it to be complete.

>>16609282

If you're happy with what you played and don't want anymore then you don't have to buy the expansion. Unless you are either an autist or a corporate whore.

Do you hate direct sequels too?

>>16609253

>Good, DLC is cancer

If done right DLC can legitimately add to a game.

>>16609290

>play videogame and finish it

<few months later, an expansion pack

<expansion pack is really short and gay, didn't reinvent the world, was just extra maps, if anything was made to have more gay PR to be made. (see: sims and cities skyline)

>compared to a fucking sequel, an actual game with actual additions or modifications, as much or even more content than the original videogame

You could argue that you could sell an expansion pack and just put a fucking number on top and get away with it but that would be a shit game instead.

>>16609290

>you don't have to buy the expansion

you don't have to buy lootboxes,microtransactions and cosmetic DLC either

Guess that makes them all OK

>>16609310

Once again, don't buy it then.

>see: sims and cities skyline)

Well there's you problem.

>>16609313

>you don't have to buy lootboxes,microtransactions and cosmetic DLC either

Are you honestly comparing those cancerous things to a fucking expansion pack? Summer is real.

>>16609317

Expansion packs were the cancer before internet was fast enough to download DLC

Summer is real and you're the living proof.

>>16609322

You're trying too hard to fit in.

>>16609196

Have you never played a FROM game? Most questions are never answered. Seems like you don't even have a source for this information.

>>16609327

and you're not even pretending to not be a bootlicking redditor

>>16609350

How is anything I've said reddit? I ask the probable infiltrator form ResetEra.

Once again I ask for the source to this news. OP doesn't include a single link or archive.

>its actually a new IP with George RR Martin helping write the story

Oh that actually seems cool. I was under the impression it was Gay of Thrones.

>>16609358

>How is anything I've said reddit

<corporate cocksucking

<literal shill arguments to defend cancerous practices

<"don't buy it if you don't like it"

<zero self awareness

neck yourself retard

>>16609370

>Expansion packs are fine

<Being young, innocent self wanting just wanting to play games

<Grandmother gifts copy of Age of Empires III: The Warchiefs

<Go to install game

<Computer not having any of it

<Look at box

>Base game required for installation

<Never get around to playing the game (This is before I found out about torrents)

<Give it away

<Find out later that there was another expansion pack

<Find out there was a "Gold" edition with all the content included

<Years later, looking around thift stores and antique shops for vintage shit (Because fuck modern shit and buying from game stores that jack up the prices on vintage games)

<Finding innumerable expansion packs for games available

<All of them require the base game

<Most recent one I noticed there was Age of Empires III: The Warchiefs

>>16609417

>corporate cocksucking

The other guy was doing the corporate cocksucking and I pointed it out.

>literal shill arguments to defend cancerous practices

I said that lootboxes, skins, and microtransactions WERE cancerous and that expansion packs and expansion pack type DLC is completely different.

>"don't buy it if you don't like it"

Yeah if an expansion pack or a sequels is inferior then DON'T BUY IT. Likewise if the base game has satisfied you and you don't want any more, then DON'T BUY THE EXPANSION.

Are you incapable of reading or are you just retarded?

>>16609423

>I once got bitten by a dog, so all dogs are shit

>>16609407

Is there any footage of gameplay anywhere?

>>16609516

Not really, but it's going to be more RPG based, probably the opposite of Sekiro in how they change up the formula.

>>16609531

From what I can tell it looks like it's going to be Epic Fantasy Souls. I'm not certain if I'm going to be all that interested in this. I'll have to wait and see.

>>16609476

>>16609576

Did you guys even read the second half?

>>16609605

>it triggered my childhood memories

I actually find it rather hilarious (If I didn't make the clear) because here are all thes useless discs, that are "packed with content" that can never be used because it requires another program that is nowhere in site.

>>16609624

Like I said, at the used goods stores I frequent. They have tons of random stuff strewn about. And, I always find it a little funny how there are all these expansion packs and long dead MMOs that are sitting just there collecting dust since because of the fact that they're unplayable for one reason (Base game required) or another (Servers shut down).

>>16609547

None of the designs so far have really enticed me, that's for sure.

>>16609639

>I go to the dog shelter from time to time, and I always see dogs, that nobody will take in, either because they are too aggressive or too old. The last one I saw, was the same breed that bit me when I was a child

Anyway, regarding expansion packs at thift stores, maybe someone already has the base game, but doesn't have the expansion, so he goes there and buys the expansion for a buck. Regarding mmo discs, for dead mmos, what do you suggest, bury all the discs, destroy them? What do you propose?

Why did they even make Sekiro?

>>16609871

To spite everyone that wanted a Tenchu game.

>>16609871

To cash in on unused assets from bloodborne.

>>16609891

Would have been nice if they'd use those unused assets to finish Bloodborne.

Where's my fucking Armored Core 6

>>16609901

Sekiro is a souls.

>>16609919

Souls-game*.

I already said this a thousand times in other threads, I'm not going to do it again. Be in denial if you want.

Sekiro doesn't need any DLC. Sekiro needs a proper sequel with better mechanics and more interesting boss fights.

>>16609923

I would probably be in agreement with you if it weren't for From's shaky history when comes to direct sequels. Maybe a Sekiro spiritual successor would be better instead.

>>16609926

Yeah, that could work too.

Why is this board so obsessed with Fromshit? The only good things From makes are completely unrelated to soulsshit, so why does everybody prop this garbage up? Is it just soynyiggers trying to keep bloodborne relevant?

>>16609407

It looks like it will be fisting Souls.

>>16609253

>A shit game is great becaue the company has made three vastly superior games before

Just the kind of flawless argument I expect from a Sekiro apologist.

>>16609196

They could have done underworld DLC so easily and Tomoe as final boss. Then kingfisher, Emma's father and some super wierd undreworld boss as rest of bosses.

But sekiro. Happened because someone recommended blade of immortal (and that other samurai manga, one where dude whit arm and leg prosthetic fight monsters) to from. So like all ways they went on to steal everything from manga and made it to video game. Reason why age of deep didn't go anywhere was because berserk is still ongoing so they run out of plot.

>>16609261

The only good DLC is a free DLC.

Anyone who pays for DLC is a faggot and is responsible for the industry's current abhorrent state.

>>16609196

>no sekiro DLC

>no DLC in actvision game

i swear, there are times that this timeline freaks me out

>>16609348

This. If not the DLCs bring even more unanswered questions.

>>16610314

>revamp the Mortal Blade to make it a high risk/high reward weapon like unsheathing it will cost a resurrection node

How come they didn't think of that?

>unlockable alternate costume and/or alternate palettes

Would've been nice

Fucking grrm ruining video games for me now. Not enough that he shat up books and TV. Fuck you miyazaki too.

>>16609196

>The Monks of Sengoku are kept immortal via 'infestation' as large centipedes nest inside them and will not allow them to die even if they want to.

They consumed the waters from the pools where the undead ape nests. I understood the water became stale and infested with parasites.

You assholes saying DLC sucks in general don't understand that the best part of most of their games is the DLC. Fromsoft sequels suck ass, but their DLC is usually brilliant. Even DS2 got decent DLC and that game was a trash fire.

>>16609253

>try playing Kings Field, Tenchu or Otogi sometime

Good idea, I'll play 3 good games instead of one SHITTY game. Thanks anon

>>16611185

The fatass got a free trip to japan too, and the plot and themes of game just sound like every other From game. I don't see what he brings to it besides his name.

>>16610314

There is a laundry list of improvements you could add to Sekiro that damn near most other action games have already.

>>16609196

Good.

FromSoft has me sold on games with a heavy sense of exploration and character customization. Sekiro, for all of its boons, just doesn't fit the bill for me. The reason I have so many hours sunk into each of the Souls games is because I can play though it hundreds of times with hundreds of different builds.

>>16611268

DS2 At least got weapons right.

DS3 was almost a step backwards in comparison save for the anime animations on certain attacks.

>>16611381

Not at all? Sekiro survived Activision, after all, and it's probably the least casual friendly game they've ever done. They'll probably just slap GRRM's name on there to boost their new IP and maybe have him flesh out some of the connections between whatever themes they want to throw in so we don't end up with lorefag OPs like this one.

>>16609407

>>16611381

He's writing the item descriptions. Other than that I don't think he's adding anything else.

>>16609916

Right up there with a new Tenchu. Which won't happen until one of these souls style games bomb.

>>16611404

>it's probably the least casual friendly game they've ever done

Not with that absolutely broken stealth which makes it easy to cheese the whole game, but on the other hand at least it forces people to actually learn the game since they can't get by with just stats and grinding anymore

>>16611408

So it's just going to be Dark Souls but with much more incest?

>>16611408

Can't wait to read the description on the dung pies.

>This game is NOT going to have assloads of DLC

>What the fuck Japs?

The absolute state of Soulshitters in 2019

>>16611509

Stealth only works on trash and minibosses. If you can't play the combat game you can't beat Genichiro, Lady Butterfly or any of the other skillcheck bosses.

Besides, it's supposed to be a stealth game. It's Tenchu combined with Souls, you aren't cheesing the game with stealth, you're taking advantage of a toolset provided to you.

>>16611677

If it's supposed to be a stealth game then it's even worse. When I play a stealth game, I expect difficulty and challenge, not brain dead, immensely abusable AI that can't threaten me half the time, and I certainly don't expect bosses that don't utilize stealth for shit. All in all the stealth is tacked on, and that's a very generous way to describe it.

>upset over a lost opportunity to spend money

The fuck is wrong with you

>>16609253

King's Field is absolutely nothing like this game, what are you smoking?

> crying that a game doesn't have DLC

literally neo-/v/

>>16609273

There's nothing inherently wrong with expansion packs. The problem is when companies label 30 minutes' worth of content as an "expansion pack" and charge almost as much as a full game for it. D2: LoD, SC:BW, NWN2:MotB, BG2: ToB; all of these are great example of expansions.

>>16611932

>people like a game

>people want to play more of it

Unthinkable

>>16613553

Are you genuinely this stupid or just pretending to annoy people? Your dishonest portrayal of the situation could be due to either.

>DLC and all sorts of microtransactions are a disease on the industry

>the value of the content never matches the price, especially if it's taken into account that creating DLC is much cheaper because you don't have to build an engine or program game mechanics, and can just reuse large amounts of content like textures

>people notice the extremely predatory and greedy problems with DLC and how the average cattle not just support it but even defend it

<hurrr y u complaning

The reason people with functioning brains are averse to DLC is because they can see how poorly DLC is used. And here you, with your either dysfunctional or dishonest mind, are trying to portray the sane people as being in the wrong.

I mean, if you really wanted more Sekiro you could just say that you want a sequel. That'd give you much more Sekiro, at a better content to price ration, as well as an opportunity for the developers to improve weak parts of the game while further polishing the strong parts. But no, what you want is DLC, and you're complaining that you aren't getting it. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>16613577

Not all DLC is the same, FS DLC tends to be quite substantial, also i'd pirate it anyway, hence i have zero problem with it unlike say Paradox's DLCs.

A sequel would take years to make and it's not clear it'd the same. I want more content for a game i liked already why is that hard to understand?

>improve weak parts of the game while further polishing the strong parts

Only a sequel can do that?

>>16613595

>Not all DLC is the same

It's all similar in that it's unacceptably bad, but here you are literally begging for DLC. I know it's been over a decade now, but I miss the times when faggots like you would have been laughed out of the room.

>>16613923

>Trying to rationalise with retards that think Oblivion's horse armour and Hollow Knight's free DLC/mode updates are the exact same thing because ever conceding a point on an anonymous imageboard is unfathomable

>>16609253

I adore both the verdite trilogy and the Acquire and K2 Tenchu's, never played Otogi but those first two are definitely better than Sekiro

about as close as I'll get to a dork souls thread.

If I pirate Dark souls 3 with all the DLC unlocked will my DLCless steam save work with it?

>>16617988

Can't see why not. Make a backup save just in case it does something funny to it or prepare to start a fresh game for the DLC.

>a thread that is actually complaining about not having DLCs

>it is this studio that I like so the 30 dollars are definitely justified

How reprogrammed are you?

>>16618146

Doesn't work, it just soft locks the pirated version when you put the save files in.

I really don't see so bad if it has an expansions or two.

Yeah, expansion.

>>16609196

>that went fuck all nowhere

This could describe every single Souls game and Bloodborne. Futility and unresolved mystery are a staple of these types of games. Remember the Archstone of the Giants?

>But Sekiro isn't-

You know what I meant.

>>16609196

>No DLC

Good, DLC is cancer. Not everything has to be explained or spelled out to you. Sometimes mentioning something in the background of a narrative is good just to spark your imagination. The author doesn't need to, nor should they, spoon feed you every last little morsel of explanation and exposition. The closure you get for playing a video game is the game over screen. Anything else is faggotry.

>>16611992

In a perfect world there is nothing wrong with expansion packs. I na perfect world there is also nothing wrong with millions of normalfags entering an enthusiast hobby. But we do not live in a perfect world.

Do not tolerate DLC as it is a stepping stone on the greed trail to microtransactions and lootboxes. It can be done well, but nine times out of ten it wont be. And the one time it is done well will be used to excuse the other nine times.

>>16613923

It literally is supporting the whole concept. You are giving money towards the continuation of that concept. Money which will be pooled into a container called "excuse" to be applied liberally the next time EA or Bethesda want to put their hand into your wallet.

>>16613577

There's nothing wrong with wanting more longevity out of a game, the problem with how it's done nowadays is they tack on a lot of shit that should have been patched through to the base game as some carrot on a stick faggotry.

>>16620580

>Do not tolerate DLC as it is a stepping stone on the greed trail to microtransactions and lootboxes.

I'll do you one better. Dont tolerate videogames altogether as they're a stepping stone to cancer and autism.

Same for imageboards. Help the community by not posting anymore. Thank you and goodbye.

>>16620675

I still don't understand what's wrong with expansions?

>>16620710

He didn't even bother replying to any argument in particular. All he did was a "sending a shoutout to all my anti-DLC homies for the upboats LOL XD"-style post. Why do you think he's going to give you a coherent and reasonable reply?

>>16620633

If you want to convince people of the soundness of your ideals you have to be willing to live by them yourself. I do not buy DLC. You obviously post on image boards. Thank you and fuck off.

>>16620774

If you want to convince people of the soundness of your logic, apply it on other areas where applicable as well. Otherwise you're a hypocrite, or your logic isn't as sound as you thought.

I see you're still here so maybe you don't buy so much into this "stepping stone" meme and you're just triggered by the mere mention of "DLC" like a feminist is triggered by a male stranger complimenting her on her clothes.

>>16620797

I see you argue like a feminist. Logical fallacies and ad hominems. You cherry picked a single metaphor from my entire post and built a strawman out if it as if you were making a point. Now you want to talk to me about sound logic…

Suffice to say that you do not have to apply logic to arbitrary other areas in order for it to be sound. Logically you should eat and breathe. But you cannot apply that to breathing mustard gas and eating arsenic. This doesn't mean that the logical statement is wrong.

It's not worth its own topic and since this is the closest to it, Miyazaki shared some new info for Elden Ring from an interview with IGN.

“Elden Ring is a third-person action RPG with a fantasy setting. The gameplay is not so far from Dark Souls. That doesn’t mean that the gameplay will be identical, but you could say that Elden Ring belongs to the same genre.”

According to Miyazaki, Elden Ring goes beyond simple changes to the game systems. By adding larger and more open environments, he believes that the game will evolve on a greater scale.

“With a larger world, new systems and action mechanics inevitably become necessary. In that sense, I think that Elden Ring is a more natural evolution of Dark Souls.”

“While the narrow and complex dungeons of our previous games were indeed interconnected, Elden Ring’s environments will be much more open and vast. The more extensive world will form the base of Elden Ring’s gameplay, and its mechanics are designed with that type of environment in mind.”

The dungeons of Miyazaki’s previous games were interconnected in the style of a Metroidvania game, but this time there is a vast field between them. According to Miyazaki, the inclusion of such an environment was decided for the sake of showing the story and world on a larger scale, to increase the freedom and depth of exploration, and to create more variation for battles.

You can get around the world on a horse, and you can fight enemies while riding.

Miyazaki wants to offer depth to exploration in Elden Ring in a way that Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice did not.

Do not expect vibrant villages and towns. According to Miyazaki, “Villages will be the dark dungeon-like ruins that you have come to expect from us. Creating a more open game is a big challenge for us. If we were to add towns on top of that, it would become a bit too much, so we decided to create an open-world-style game focused on what we are best at.”

Miyazaki studied various open-world games as reference for Elden Ring‘s world, while at the same time not being too heavily influenced by a specific work, to make a game that is true to the DNA of a From Software game.

Regarding the collaboration with George R.R. Martin, Miyazaki said, “It all started with me being a fan of Mr. Martin’s works. A Song of Ice and Fire and its drama adaptation Game of Thrones are both masterpieces. I am also very fond of Fevre Dream and Tuf Voyaging.”

Miyazaki got in touch with Martin for a meeting, which he found to be surprisingly easy to do. From there, the two clicked and Martin was all in for Miyazaki’s idea of making a game together.

According to Miyazaki, Martin did not write the main story of Elden Ring. Rather, he wrote the events that happened long before the era the player explores—in other words, the “mythology” of the world. Miyazaki said that there were two reasons he had Martin write the mythology rather than the main story.

“Storytelling in video games—at least the way we do it at From Software—comes with a lot of restrictions for the writer. I didn’t think it was a good idea to have Martin write within those restrictions. By having him write about a time the player isn’t directly involved in, he is free to unleash his creativity in the way he likes. Furthermore, as From Software we didn’t want to create a more linear and story-driven experience for Elden Ring. Both issues could be solved by having Martin write about the world’s history instead.”

According to Miyazaki, the excitement, drama, and depth in the mythology written by Martin had a major impact on From Software’s creation of the world for Elden Ring.

Miyazaki compared Martin’s mythology to the dungeon master’s handbook in a tabletop RPG.

“The player will be able to learn about Martin’s mythology through exploration. We are known for letting the player explore the game’s lore through fragments of environmental storytelling, and this time around Martin’s story is what you will be trying to unravel. The period the player actually explores is still connected to the old times, so as you slowly discover why the world has become the way it is, you will learn more about Martin’s mythology as well.”

“There is no fixed main character in Elden Ring. We mostly leave it up to the player to decide the characteristics and personality of the character they create.”

Miyazaki believes that Elden Ring‘s NPC characters will be more compelling than his previous works thanks to Martin’s mythology as a source of inspiration.

Dark Souls but Patches will now kick you into a literal shithole.

>>16620859

>But you cannot apply that to breathing mustard gas and eating arsenic.

Because we breath air and eat food, not mustard gas and arsenic. Same logic can be applied to many other animals because we have similar systems.

Much like videogames and imageboards altogether being a stepping stone into cancerous social behavior.

My point is almost everything is a stepping stone into something negative if used incorrectly. Including eating and breathing if you decide to breath mustard gas and eat arsenic. Which is why your point is utterly retarded and why we decided to classify a commonly used fallacy that we were sick of hearing and called it "slippery slope".

You're arguing against the one correct usage for DLCs, which is the practice that used to be called "expansion packs". In practical terms, the money going to expansion DLCs is going to have nothing to do with money spent on cancerous DLCs because we're talking about a developer that doesn't make those.

You might as well argue against even playing videogames because bad practices in the industry being affected by your consumption is as much of a stretch as your glue snorting logic.

>>16620863

>Its another Souls game

>Its another dark fantasy

>Miyahacki thinks GRRM is a good writer and Game of Thrones was great

>Open world, but no towns or cities of NPCs, so even more barren than usual open world games

>Tacked on horse combat

I'm sick of this shit. They could do something new, but they keep going back to Souls. This faggot has been making the same damn game for a decade now.

>>16621463

> This faggot has been making the same damn game for a decade now.

From Software literally did just that with King's Field and Armored Core.

>>16620863

>The dungeons of Miyazaki’s previous games were interconnected in the style of a Metroidvania game,

>but this time there is a vast field between them.

So it's Dark Souls but with unnecessary padding. Great.

I never thought I'd see the day of /v/ advocating for DLC.

>>16624041

They're not advocating anything, they're just being contrarian for the sake of it. The board has developed a culture that being against anything popular is by itself a virtue. Fromsoft is popular at the moment so they waste hours bitching about it. If there was DLC they would bitch, if there isn't they bitch.

Nioh is better anyway

>>16609196

Shitty game with shitty combat and shitty sales numbers doesn't get a sequel.

How suprising.

>>16624176

>shitty sales numbers

It sold over 2 million copies within 10 days.

>>16621720

Sekiro desperately needs more everything. The gameplay is incredibly fucking shallow, and doesn't change from the second you pick up mikiri counter.

>>16621479

The The Armored Core games on the PS2 were pretty good, and then went downhill pretty fast when they tried different things without thinking them through. They went with the multiplayer meme in 5 and VD, and that was not the primary audience of Armored Core. It was the primary audience for Chromehounds though and that game is dead!

>>16624167

It is.

>>16624167

Absolutely. More than weapon for starters, but it also has far better combat.