/v/ - Happy E3

Yeah, basically that. If the game is bullshit, or has a lot of punishing segments for no reason, I'll do it

If you didn't beat Ninja Gaiden or Castlevanias without continuing you're dead to me.

>>16570391

i never played either of them at all

I have yet to play a game where I used save states and felt bad. Not that I'd want them in every game outside of emulators, but they're just another tool for having fun, not some deadly sin.

No, because if I wanted a challenge I would git gud at real life instead of children's electronic entertainment toys.

Only time I use save states is when I'm too lazy to sit through menus. Saving at the start of a level and reloading that save state on death instead of sitting through the game over and reload and loading screens, etc.

ITT: zoomer scum.

When you're a kid grinding out a game with a friend is fun, and making it through that tricky level when you've used up all your continues is exhilarating. When you're an adult drinking alone in a darkened room, save states aren't that big of a sin.

>>16570739

Well put anon.

I would also add that time is a factor. When I was a kid it wasn't any big deal for me to start a game over, especially since I didn't have a backlog and games were expensive. Nowadays I COULD play through an entire segment again just to get to the part where I made a misstep, but I ain't got time for that.

>>16570351

>there's so much bullshit you have to travel through

each palace, except the final palace, is about two-three minutes tops away from the north palace

>and so many enemies where you're basically required to take some amount of mandatory damage.

>mandatory damage

it's an overused meme but holy fuck, gitgud

even thunderbird can be done without damage

>>16570351

>are there any games you've used save states on and didn't feel bad?

All of them

I mostly use save states in games like saga frontier where learning a skill or getting a item is complete rng with a very low chance of success. Even with save states it takes forever but it just takes a little less time between each attempt since you dont have to constnatly fucking reset the game. Its a godsend especially for learning monster moves

Quit being a bitch.

Final SA-X chase in Metroid Fusion. Specifically since you can just plain land on it's head dropping into the room and eat an assload of damage before the chase even starts. And while you can hear it pacing beforehand, you don't exactly get to use it as an indication of which way it's moving (or so I recall). Die, and it's either another jaunt through wasp hell: reactor edition, or another trek back from your ship if you backtracked to save somewhere safer after Yakuza.

If it helps, I have beaten the game on an actual cartridge before, and thus without access to save states. I just don't like that slog on emulated replays.

>>16570351

>>16570351

>are there any games you've used save states on and didn't feel bad?

Fire emblem Florina wont stop dieing.

I use savestates to save a game in the moment I finished before going to sleep or doing something else.

I use savestates to learn confusing game mechanics and check out things like falling into an obvious death hole to check wether or not there is a secret down there.

I also use savestates to skip unnecessary screens, like an unskipable cutscene before a boss, or put them at the beginning of the stage to use instead killing myself to continue the stage with full lives.

I think those are fair.

>>16571025

who's the white guy next to X? i recognize axel

>>16571041

>who's the white guy

Over-1

>>16571052

>mobile game

ahh that explains why i've never heard of him before

Only time i really use save states these days is when i'm experimenting with Glitches or shit like that.

The problem with save states every game becomes an interactive film. You can't lose. Take a step, shoot, save state,next step, shoot, save state. I don't think it's fun

>>16571279

It really depends on how much of a save-scum you are. If you're using to to save progress for big chunks or to skip cutscenes and menus, I guess it's fine, but if you're using it for every action you do I cannot see the appeal.

No, fuck savestates and fuck you, i look up ways to get infinite lives or the continue from last level trick.

>>16571279

I once used save states to play through resident evil 3. I only used them in safe rooms because it served the exact same function as using ink ribbons, but was faster. I fucked up when I was in the clock tower and accidentally saved the state instead of loading, right after dying, and I'd only been using one save slot like a retard instead of cycling through several. It pissed me off so much that to this day I've still never completed the game.

Ghosts & Goblins, because fuck that game.

>>16571325

You can knock out RE3 in <6 hours in a blind playthrough. It's really good, go play it nigger.

Yeah I put a save state on top of the load screen so resetting was faster

>>16570967

If you wiggle side to side and manage to grab the ledge just before you drop down, you can see the SA-X's head. Wait for it to be in the middle of the room, drop down, ice missile it, run past and hold your gun diagonally upwards as you go through the door, shoot like a motherfuck to hit the beacons to open the gates, don't suck at the small platforming, get into the next room, SA-X dealt with.

>>16570351

I mostly only use save states for the ability to show off special things.

>Super Godzilla

>somehow did the final mission so fast, I turned into super godzilla, beat mecha king ghidorah, and was able to start the battle with Bagan as super godzilla

>King of the monsters 2: SNES

>show off king famardy who is at the end of one of the most relentless boss gauntlets ever, but the fight vs him is pretty fun

And some other assorted things.

The only game I used save states to "cheat" was in the special worlds of Super Mario World. While I passed the rest of the game legitimately, those worlds are a nightmare

>>16571353

>he can't 1cc ghosts and goblins

it's hard but it's not that bad, it just takes time to know where you can stand and not die

>>16570351

>are there any games you've used save states on and didn't feel bad?

every vidya i have ever played.

I really want to avoid using save states, but old games were hard because they had little content. If they were much easier or at least allowed saving, they would have been immensely shorter so people would feel ripped off.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter either way. No one gives a shit one way or the other.

I always make up rules for when I'm allowed to use save states since I'll save scum like crazy if I don't which ultimately makes the game less enjoyable to me. Works pretty well.

>>16570351

Tactics Ogre: LUCT

>don't know what kind of dragoon to bring

>enter battle

<reload

>try to craft coonwhipper +1

<reload, leave and enter shop again

<reload, leave and enter shop again

>>16571871

>>16571463

>old games were hard because they had little content

Other way around. They didn't need a lot of content because many most of them followed arcade design philosophy. Unfortunately, that arcade philosophy was based entirely on how hard you could bullshit kids out of their quarters without them fucking off and never touching your machine again. In that way they were proto-p2w microtransaction vehicles. Of course, you can't put quarters into your console, so much like a P2W game with the microtransactions ripped out, you're probably going to be left with a pretty rough game, and that's exactly what many of those gen 3-4 platformers were.

Some anons get really upset when this comparison is brought up.

>>16570351

I'm a stupid pathetic fuck insecure about cheating to beat a videogame. I should make a thread seeking validation for my cheating and smugly insult anyone that doesn't pamper my ass because it's the closest thing to power I will ever achieve.

>>16570351

>there's so much bullshit you have to travel through

If I had a game that did this (never played Zelda so I don't know if it fits), I would probably just dump it. IMO, the only proper use of save states is to explore the game (see different endings, etc…)

It's a game, play it in whatever way is fun.

That said, I only use save states to not have to fuck with password systems like in Metroid or Mega Man or to suspend my game in games without save or password systems.

>>16571991

Same with Morrowind before the stability/crashes started getting fixed. You saved before and after every loading screen.

>>16570351

I beat Kaizo Mario with save states, but I almost feel like that's essential if you ever want to attempt the game without them

>>16570351

>dying in a game that gives you a spell that fills your life up

>dying in a game where 99% of the attacks are deflectable with sword or shield and the other 1% you can just jump around

>justifying save states with "artificial difficulty" to not make yourself feel like shit

Even if your feelings were legitimate, this is still pathetic

>>16572931

/v/ isn't this faggot

This is probably a cuckchan rapefugee anyways

>>16570351

I abuse save state to do Bogo-RNG-manipulation.

No shame whatsoever. If I invested infinite time I would get the same results, but without investing infinite time

>>16574225

>Roguelikes. I don't want to spend 4 to 20 hours depending on the game, only to lose all the progress

The point of permadeath in a rouge like is that your actions have consequences and not in a le karma meter or game ending type of way.

>>16575218

You're a funny guy, and technically correct

I use save states all the time to investigate the deeper mechanics of games and help me master them. If you use save states to beat something and consider that legitimately winning the game in any way then you're a total bitch.

>>16570351

>are there any games you've used save states on and didn't feel bad?

Yep, my motto is "pay bullshit unto bullshit". If I judge something to be utter bullshit then I will subvert or break it.

>>16570351

Yes,i use it as often as i can and i never feel bad. Why should i?

I use them in Metroid games to avoid having to reset a room via leaving and reentering if I fuck up some of the harder jumps. Don't really care at all about this since it just saves me like 10 seconds of reset and reposition. Sometimes before bosses but that's rarely. I should stop this though. Otherwise I don't use them, though if I ever need to quit suddenly and am not near a save point I'd be willing to do it then, just hasn't been a problem for me.

>>16574225

>removing one of the core parts of a game

Pathetic.

Corruptions

Trying an exploit

People like you are why SMB2 got remade into a licensed game and then turned back into smb2

>>16570351

I used it in Abe's Odyssey and got myself trapped in a situation I couldn't get out of without starting the whole game over. Haven't used it since.

>>16583577

get good faggot

>>16583577

That Cloud 9 one was the worst.

>>16570351

Kill yourself, niggerchild. I've beaten that shit on hardware.