/v/ - Happy E3

>>16569297

I want most games to move past the HP system and have healing be far more engaging. Disease, coagulants, stimulants, depressants, antibiotics, surgeries and amputation, something that changes how the game is played and you can do nothing other than accelerate the process of healing.

>>16569445

DOS game called Robinson's Requiem and it's sequel sound right up your alley if you haven't already played them. Bit janky in the controls department since it's DOS, but I'm sure you can get over it.

Chording attacks together. Hard mode: non-magic attack chording.

While it might not be a mechanic, I think that simply by changing some conditions of the fight would make an enormous difference at reducing the sense of repetition even if the combat is about as complex as the Arkham series. Make a simple fight more interesting by making dodging less reliable in wet environments, or add a strobe element so you can only briefly gauge the situation. Little things like this can go a long way.

>>16569515

I actually was going to use that as an example, but I forgot the name. Thanks.

>>16569568

Chording attacks?

>>16569297

If you want to get technical/realistic instant-freezing is a no-no.

Even if you were to drop a man into liquid nytrogen, it would take several minutes AT LEAST for him to actually freeze the way you'd expect (solid, shattering)

>Have any of you ever been within 10' of a lightning strike? It's like a goddamn orbital bombardment. All of your senses are scrambled; the sound hits you so hard that your sense of direction momentarily panics, you're disoriented by the flash (or momentarily blind if you were looking right at it), and you can't hear anything over the ringing in your ears for several seconds, which may persist for minutes. And if you're really unlucky, you get the secondary damage AoE because whatever that lighting just hit exploded from instant thermal expansion, creating a flaming debris cloud. AND it can inflict immolation. The noise is so much louder than a gun, I can't even describe. The closest thing I can imagine manmade that imitates it would have to be artillery, maybe. Lightning magic so so damned underwhelming in videogames. My flirtation with instant death by lightning bolt in real life has left me contemptuous of the buzzing cloud-tasers that are lightning spells.

The game that comes close is Breath of the Wild only because the lightning posts a real danger in the game and can strike right next to you causing an explosion-like sound and a wildfire. Still not quite as impressive as your vid though

>>16570796

How long would it take to just freeze the surface skin to the point that it becomes brittle? Not all the way through so he breaks like a statue, just enough that any decent impact will break the skin. Of course I expect the frostbite will pretty much kill anything that touches the liquid nitrogen regardless of what happens afterward.

>>16569297

Lightning is also the most survivable of all of those. The old Diablo 2 style of "1 to insane" damage spread is pretty accurate, because lightning strikes can do anywhere from basically nothing to instantly killing you.

>>16569297

Basic movement in FPS games, such as first-person dodges, dodge-rolls, rolls, leaning, prone, reactions to getting shot, being able to stumble, fall and get up after getting shot, depending on the force of the shots, shooting while fully sprinting and so on.

Bonus points if said FPS doesn't have these ridiculous 0.001 second TTK and headshot focus encouraging abusing lag and latency. Give me a game where armor actually works, helmets actually block all damage and you can actually run at a realistic (fast) pace rather than a snail's pace to make life easier for long distance snipers and client-side hit detection inanity.

>>16569297

>Sympathetic Detonation

Didn't Crysis have that?

>tfw not dev and can't just test this shit out

>>16571603

>Didn't Crysis have that?

Nope, if you had several piece of explosive they would chain trigger but not simultaneously create a single larger explosion

FPS game but instead of using that floaty arm shit its just a camera strapped to a model, its kinda shit having lighting and shadows be different on your gun/arms than whats actually happening in the world, that and you usually cant see your legs or what space you take up within the level.

Maybe physics based animations and limb damage too

>>16569297

F2P games that actively discourage you from buying MTX and also have plausiible ways to get the stuff free or at a reduced cost meshed into the gameplay.

Nintendo did it

>>16570298

I think he means like how you combine notes on an instrument to make a chord. Combine two different type of attacks to make a new attack that is the sum of its parts but also unique.

>>16569297

1) Computers can’t process that.

2) Too much work, goy. Have a little zappy blast that means that archery is way better than anything magic.

>>16571697

Isn't chain triggering more interesting to watch anyway?

>>16573063

Why wouldn't computers be able to process that? When the first thing detonates, count the amount of explodey things in the area, find their explosive potential that the dev would have to put in a table somewhere or something, do the math, presto, big dick explosion

>>16573124

True, but both could be interesting in hteir own way, in a game like Red Faction it would be interesting to have multiple stacked explosives cause a larger explosion

>>16569445

Something like a wounds system married to a more streamlined version of injury-treating from MGS3? I'd be down for that.

>>16570796

Fair enough for the most part. My main complaint is that "ice magic" usually translates to "bludgeoning damage magic that uses ice crystals as weapons". I'd still want some kind of instant flash-freeze option late-game, though.

>>16570826

Yeah, that was the best example I can think of as well.

>>16570848

Inconsistent damage could actually be a decent balancing mechanic on what should otherwise be an overpowered as fuck ability.

>>16572913

I kind of figured so too, but wanted more detail. Combo attacks are really satisfying when the system built around them is done well.

>>16573123

You might enjoy tabletop gaming. The classic example is the spell Wall of Iron in D&D. Designed to put up an instant and difficult to breach barrier, but more commonly used to collapse the local mining economy by devaluation through saturation. I got into it entirely because of open-ended gameplay like that.

>>16573124

>>16573199

Chain triggerings are cool, but there has to be a sort of… texture to it. Clumps of big to stretches of small. Sympathetic detonations setting off smaller explosions that lead to larger explosions are aesthetic as fuck. Anime, particularly Studio Trigger, makes really good use of setting explosions to unheard rhythms, which is why Giga Drill Breakers are so satisfying when the target blows up for no reason. For a video game though, you'd either have to procedurally generate the explosions and let rhythm happen by luck, or build a rhythm system into the explosion mechanics which then assigns the detonations to certain timeframes to space them dramatically.

The other problem is how you visually stack explosions. If you've got a good fireball going, there are two main pitfalls. The first is that each dissipates too quickly and the flame looks wispy and weak. The other is the opposite direction, where the separate explosions just kind of blend into one. Which is what they tend to do in real life, but at that point you need to make a decision between realism and stylization.

>>16573155

>do the math

Yeah, that’s the problem here. You’re talking about calculating the energy (which we can simplify to “the speed at which something should fly and the direction in which it should fly, based on its distance from the “surface” of the explosion”) of the explosion in a 3D space (or a “dome” if we’re considering a land-based FPS and applying that OVER TIME (so energy falling off with respect to distance) to [X] number of physics objects around the explosion, including calculating any explosions caused by said physics objects coming into contact with one another or the environment at a preset in-game speed that is supposed to damage them enough to set them off. Consumer-grade computers can’t do that.

>>16573993

Considering it's already been done at-least once I don't see why it couldn't be done again.

>>16574016

> computers couldn't handle this incredibly simple explosion iteration algorithm

Stop talking out of your ass

t. actual programmer

>>16574067

Now this is pasta I never thought I would see again.

>>16569297

>Sympathetic Detonation

Brutal Doom has this in the latest version. If you put enough explosive barrels next to each other, you can create a single large blast that can ohk a cyberdemon and anybody in the same room.

>>16574155

Larper jump off a cliff. The problem isn't whether you could code a solution but the amount of hardware resources this would require in conjunction with the rest of the game. Cost - benefit.

Not to mention all you fucking larpers always forget that doing this sort of thing costs money and such a small feature would eat considerable dev time for little added value.

>>16574928

I am /tg/ vet

Multiple bosses at once is all I ask for.

>>16574852

>The classic example is the spell Wall of Iron in D&D. Designed to put up an instant and difficult to breach barrier, but more commonly used to collapse the local mining economy by devaluation through saturation

I actually looked through both my PF and 2e books and it's fucking permanent and has virtually no cost. What the fuck.

Anyone have any experiences with laser weapons? Are lasers naturally boring yet neat and clean like in video games or is there more to them?

>>16569297

>Sympathetic Detonation

Crackdown has it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaWqseH2A60

I, the OP, was just banned for "trying to derail my own thread" by inviting >>16574852 to where he could find what he wanted.

Fuck this kike board and its mods. It deserves the existence of every single discontent startup alternative board.

>>16574650

even SS13 can simulate this, it takes fuckall processing time as its simple addition of the explosions calculated radius and the radius of the other explosive,(which is actually the most resource intense part, the initial explosive power calculation for each explosive) but instead of the SS13 way your objects could simply have a set explosive radius or "power" with nothing else to factor in aside from collisions. consider LARPing your suicide.

>>16575506

>Fighters are fundamentally weak and only get better if the DM decides to let them have a magic sword; otherwise they just get extra attacks and damage every now and then

>Wizards start to break the fucking game as soon as they get level 3 spells, with their 0-2 level spells acting as cheese until then

The compensation is to give fighters magical energy attacks or some bullshit that makes the setting questionable, or else, weaken the wizards to the point where they're just archers that shoot colored beams instead of arrows. I guess fighters are "consistent" and wizards need you to think, but it's still flawed to me

>>16575719

I wish Mark would sell me the board already. I'd pay him $5k for it.

>>16574650

>>16574016

> talk shit

> get btfo

< reee you're larpers!

Dude just shut the fuck up. You clearly have no god damn idea what you're talking about

>>16575843

Wishful thinking. Check the ban log. It's the hook-nosed confectivore himself that banned me.

If I can chime in, the reason you don't see massive explosions and destructible terrain in games is simply because of incompetence, lack of passion, and being forced to push an incomplete title out the door. Games do it. Games have done it. But you won't see it in AAA games.

How many assets and resources would it take to model every building to make sure it falls about "correctly"? You could do it programmatically - even using something like a vertex shader for physics for optimization - but designing and implementing such a system is time taken away from the narrative. Again, AAA games will never do it.

>>16575754

>SS13

>a 2d game with basic sprite graphics

The rest of your statement lets me know you've never implemented anything in any engine, definitely not your own.

I challenge you to grab a godot demo and just add that bit of logic yourself. Note this is as easy as one could make it. Bullet is included. If you're too much of a fag for that write me some pseudo-code. Do it larper. Do my bidding. It's real simple after all.

Not to mention you totally missed the point faggot like all you larpers because again this isn't part of your reality. Money exists. Things cost money. It's not the difficulty in implementing it. It's that it's not worth the dev time.

>>16575985

One poor reply to my post and I'm btfo'd

Right….

>>16575801

Nothing precludes developers from taking inspiration from ancient mythology, where figures like Hercules weren't explicitly magical the way a D&D wizard is, but still performed superhuman feats and weren't overtly bound by the limits of the human body. Unfortunately, developers seem insistent on the idea that fighters must adhere to realistic human standards, while every other class gets to laugh at them all the way to high levels.

>>16569297

Lightning magic should go through almost all forms of metal armor unless it's specifically insulated, which you rarely see in games.

>>16579743

It's fake

>>16580148

>Lightning magic should go through almost all forms of metal armor unless it's specifically insulated

Wouldn't full body chainmail disperse it though

>>16581656

>Pokemon (in non-trainer battles) is a huge offender in particular.

Pokemon Colosseum is actually the worst specific offender

>Shadow Pokemon are introduced and are said to attack their trainers and opposing trainers in battle sometimes

>this does happen in battle but it amounts to nothing but losing a turn with that Pokemon, which is mitigated by the fact all battles are double battles and you have two non-Shadow Pokemon to start with

Makes me wonder if Genius Sonority wanted to implement some sort of trainer health gimmick, considering the overall tone of the game and everything, but cut it out early.

>>16575474

>when the bell strikes

Bullshit, the coolest duels happen when someone draws first. It's a tense staredown while you're trying to keep aim steady, plus watching your opponent for hand/finger movement, plus handling your own movements. All of that needs great animation (which NV definitely doesn't have) and complex normal gameplay which makes dueling not be a minigame.

Call of Juarez: Gunslinger had a duel minigame which was kinda neat, but it only happened a few times so it turned out underwhelming.

>>16581656

Ni No Kuni 1 (not sure about 2) sort of does this.

>moves are literal orders to your familiar

>can switch to battling with the PC or familiars during battle

>PC and familiars share a health bar, so you can't just swap them out for free health

>main character is ass at fighting but has good spells

I don't think you ever fight other trainers, though.