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Looks nothing like a tales game, his armor looks like lagiacrus' and the weapon is legitimately the rathalos katana.

I wonder if they will have figured out that making the player act on a 2D plane with cumbersome as fuck 3D movement, while enemies constantly run around without having to worry about losing almost all their combat options on a 3D plane, is a bad idea.

>>16555608

I think they're going for a full 3d movement battle system this time, or that's the feeling I'm getting at least.

Where are the tits?

>>16555738

Patty's outfit sucks though, she looks better in the anise costume.

>>16555759

Mein negger. The Tokunaga on top completes the set.

Speaking of which, at first I read the game's name in the leak articles as "Tales of Anise". that would've been fucking neat. More Haruko Momoi is always good

>>16555787

Yeah, as usual. They're crying that BUT MUH VESPERIA REMASTER IS ON SWITCH.

Bamco mentions it uses Unreal 4, did the Switch fully support that anyway?

I have a Switch (hacked with RCM) but I wouldn't dream of playing Tales on it, it's just meh hardware. And since Sony is gonna censor shit out, I'll just have to wait until its Denuvo is inevitably cracked.

I really haven't been able to enjoy this series ever since they actually gave the characters realistic, as far as anime JRPGs are concerned anyway, proportions and motion capture. Miss it when the cast looked and acted like little dolls in game with the emoticon bubbles and stuff.

>>16554636

So are they gonna take mainline FF's place considering the clusterfuck that was FF15?

>>16555787

Switch users have dethroned easily any other community when it comes to begging shit

>>16555910

>And since Sony is gonna censor shit out

Probably with the localized version but we also had instances of the western branch of Bamco censoring shit beforehand (Tales of Berseria where Velvet's little brother gets "killed" by magic in the western version instead of being impaled by a sword in the original game). It's far less certain in case for the japanese version, there are many proofs about that, especially with Bamco backing up as a publisher. Then again, I expect a large amount of money needed for the DLCs, so that would be a pirate for me in any case.

>the story is about an oppressed planet rising up to fight the evil planet oppressing them

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>16555910

Yes it supports it. Why wouldn't it? any relatively modern gpu can. It's just an engine.

>>16556089

Yeah, but that one at least wasn't Sony (yet). It was PEGI since Bamco wanted to avoid a 16 rating. But agreed, PC it is.

>>16556100

Figures. I probably was thinking about the Wii U since it caused Mighty No 9's one of many delays or something along those lines

>>16554636

>realistic graphix

fuck dat shit, just give cell shaded animu look, realism can go fuck itself, it the second worst thing to happen to vidya right after wokness

>>16556094

That would mean the American Revolutionary war is also ripe ground for woke propaganda by default.

>>16556187

Don't tell the French.

>>16556089

>Switch users have dethroned easily any other community when it comes to begging shit

I still think PC fags are the worst

>t. PCfag, myself

>>16556209

This might be a given, but don't look up any game announcement on twitter. It doesn't matter how obscure the game is they will get at least 10k tweets begging for a Switch port and if there's no answer within like an hour, or heaven forbid a denial, they go apeshit. I remember some fucking noname game getting downvoted to oblivion on youtube not because it's shit, not because the developers are asshole, no, because they didn't like Switch dashboard/homescreen/whatever icon and practically mobbed the developer to waste an update changing it. I have no idea where the fuck these people come from.

>>16556234

Just looking at it makes me think my glasses are broken.

>>16556231

Steamworld Dig 2 and Snake Pass come to mind. They obsess over stupid-ass shit like that instead of asking for something actually useful like folders (which the 3DS has, by the way…)

>>16556257

>Steamworld Dig 2

Yeah that looks like it was it.

>>16556273

How far did you get into Abyss?

>>16556273

I'd suggest giving Abyss another shot, Luke is a very unusual MC but has his development tied to the game's idea "Finding the meaning of your birth". He will pick up at the end of the 'act 1' of the game.

>>16556231

An icon is pretty easy to change at least.

>>16556209

It's less begging and more "haha we won again" shitposting when a port is revealed

>>16556273

Absolutely avoid playing Tales of Hearts R in english if you own a vita, nearly all dialogues were changed to the localizer's whim. It's one of the worst localizations among japanese games up to date.

>>16556330

He changes significantly after that exact part, though whether it's for the better is arguable. For reference, you were about a third or so through the game.

>>16556330

So you dropped the game right before he cuts his fag hair off and vows to redeem himself. Half the appeal of the game is his redemption arc from that point on. The other half is Tear.

>>16556330

Yeah, that's the end of Act 1 pretty much. After that Luke will start to finally think for himself instead of MASTERVANMASTERVANMASTERVAN

>>16556350

With the Vita blown open, I'd be down for a script rewrite ala Nep Rebirth, but first we need tools to extract and reinject the scripts…

And we can't count on the pathetic quitter of Absolute Zero this time

>>16556342

Yeah. Dragon Quest XI is getting ported to switch also.

>>16556351

Nobody can emote in Abyss' english dub so it makes Luke's arc more unbearable to listen to.

>>16556394

Bless Asmodean for the undub patch. You get the skit voices back with it as well.

>>16556394

Half of the fun with any Tales game is laughing at the dub and guess how many takes they did before saying fuck it.

>>16556394

I was sold with Luke at least. That part in particular with the annoying mascot thing he had been treating like shit, but is the only one not to leave him and try to console him by saying they are pretty much the same and can sympathize and Luke breaks down crying in frustration and shame.

>>16556424

Luke is voiced by a jew so it makes him sound like more of a whiny faggot.

>>16555025

But Vesperia's combat was absolute dogshit.

>>16556616

The only reason PCfags finally shut up is because they won and now damn near everything gets a PC release. Which means bitching works and it is worth doing.

>>16556094

I feel like I've heard this same story in a previous Tales game from the original playstation but that could be due to how generic it sounds.

>>16556641

It's kinda what Eternia was about.

>>16554636

They turned Tales of into Star Ocean with more Phantasy Star / Rogue Galaxy aesthetics, moving on.

>>16555910

>More Haruko Momoi is always good

Mein negger

>>16554676

This isn't an actual screenshot, right?

>>16556616

Then ignore them? Not sure why wanting games on x platform would bother anyone.

>>16554636

TALES OF ARSE ?

>>16556187

A story about a bunch of smugglers taking over a country to avoid paying taxes would be a lot more fun.

>no switch version

Why tease Tales support with that Vesperia remaster for Switch and then just give no tales support to Switch.

I'm guessing a Tales of character will get into Smash then, it's par for the course at this point.

>>16556767

They're waiting for the rerelease.

>>16556616

They're all pretty similar. There was a recent nip-roguelike or something that was on PS4, and the Sequel (with a port of the first one included) was Switch-only because of Sony's censorship policies. Sonyfags freaked out, of course. Don't forget the shitshow about Bayonetta 2 as well.

>>16556811

>There was a recent nip-roguelike or something that was on PS4, and the Sequel (with a port of the first one included) was Switch-only because of Sony's censorship policies.

If you mean Omega Labyrinth, you're wrong in the chronological order of events, as the Switch-only title was an exclusive announced well before (a month and half, during early September) the Sony's policy was enabled and took jap devs in surprise (like the Ghost Inn's vidya adaptation).

>>16556831

No, it was something else, I think. There was a thread about it a month ago or so.

>>16556836

That might be Mary Skelter now that you mentioned a port of the first game is present with the sequel, but I recall the genre is more dungeon crawler-ish I heard that the sequel was garbage anyway, it improved nothing from the original title

>>16556867

Pretty sure that was it. the name sounds very familiar. I really should pay more attention to this shit.

Don't even respond to it.

>>16556690

>Not sure why wanting games on x platform would bother anyone

Normalfags are loyal whores to their electronic device's company. A gaystationfag will always suck sony's dick and bitch whenever an "exclusive" game gets ported to xbawx or PC. Similarly, a xbonefag will bitch whenever his exclusives get ported to PC or gaystation.

And PCfags will shit on each other based on what gay company they chose for their CPUs, GPUs, etc.

>>16556893

>/tv/ posters

enough already

>>16556690

Seeing switchfags beg for a port for the millionth time gets annoying. The desperation of people with that thing is on another level that I just can't understand.

I just want to know if they can out-best girl Magilou.

>>16556941

I have a Switch and wouldn't mind a port, but I'm not going to lose sleep or waste time bawwwwing about it. When the time comes, I can just pirate the PC version after the inevitable Denuvo crack is out. Multiplat games go where they go, a Switch version is merely icing if the game is something I'm interested in.

I'll judge the art style once they show the girls.

>>16556641

>>16556651

Not exactly. While the Inferians consider the Celestians to be barbarians and are superstitious towards them (as if they can cause earthquakes and shit a world away), there's really not that much in the form of any oppression of one planet against the other, and incursions of anyone but the party are a very minor part of the plot. Inferia lacks the tech to really make much of an assault on Celestia until the Bridge of Light gets known to the government, and while Celestia has better weapons and tech, the people are rather content to fight amongst themselves to determine who's dictator, rather than conquer the other planet in the binary pair comprising Eternia. Game's not so much about trying to make a case of co-existance (beyond the party's friendship, anyhow), and more finding a way to prevent both from colliding and annihilating both. By the end, both planets in the system are physically moving apart from each other in their binary orbit, which each people on their own world, and the Van Eltia is pretty much the only thing capable of crossing the gap of space. Or at least that's how I remember it; it's been a while.

Should also be noted that despite the name sounding like "inferior", it stems more from "infernus", making a heaven-and-hell comparison (which is kind of funny since Inferia has a warm, balmy climate while Celestia is dark, cold, and dreary with storms). And those are just the Inferian names for the planets in their own divergent tongue. In Melnics, Celestians call their world "Andin" ("Here") while to them Inferia is "Fuedi" ("Far").

>Eternia

H W E E L

Was Eternia the pinnacle of Tales?

im kidding, Eternia was just my first Tales and i always enjoy replaying it every few years

>>16556893

Hi Zach, and fuck off.

Looks terrible. The environs look pretty great and the designs aren't horrendous, but the realism-trash needs to go. Give me anime aesthetics or give me death.

>>16568364

I hate the way this looks. It's like the art team is playing tug of war between two diametrically opposed styles.

>>16554636

So boys, has any tales of series dropped the women are men too and everything is racist crap or should I just stick with Graces F and all that came before it.

Her tits are too small for there not to be a party member with way bigger ones. That's how tales games usually work, I'd hate for them to break tradition.

>>16556756

That's literally part of the Star Wars EU. The reason there are so many smugglers in the GFFA is that the Empire put high tariffs on legal goods to fund all the new government (standing army, stasi, various superweapons ect.). The conflict between those who actively sided with the rebellion and those who just kept raking in the cash from avoiding the taxman is actually part of the plot in Heir to the Empire.

>>16556384

It's getting a version with more content than any other release iirc.

>>16568364

I wonder how the Japanese reacted to this announcement. They weren't happy about Tifa, so I'm sure they aren't happy about this.

>>16555025

Who are these women and where can I meet more of them?

>>16556187

If they made a current year movie about american civil war, it would feature several niggers and stronk dykes (with some soyboys playing the founding fathers and stealing all the credit) and be about smashing the patriarchy, fighting bigots represented by a cartoon villain-tier absolutist monarchy, and acquiring democracy (especially for women and non-whites). Key part of the struggle would be volunteer spic divisions arriving from spanish colonies to help the rebels. Movie would end with founding father betraying everyone and estabilishing an opressive tyranny full of exploiting niggers and women, in order to fulfill their greed. They would also treacherously assassinate all the spics and lay down plans to conquering lands that rightfully belong to spics and injuns (which is everything outside the 13 colonies). Constitution would have been written by nigs and women, and rewriting it would be too unpopular, so the founding fathers would instead subvert it using amendments (it being implied that amendments should all be scrapped) and claiming the credit for it. Ending shot would have the british monarch laugh, explaining that his secret agent, George Washington (codename "Gemrget"), managed to fulfill his orders, and that Americans will now never be free, just as he had intended.

>>16594526

whoops, not civil war, revolution, sorry

>>16592675

>good

>after Zestira and "Tales Lightning" for 3 games

>>16569363

Arche is a cute and I want to make quarter elf babies with her

https://gematsu.com/2019/06/tales-of-arise-is-a-series-rebirth-that-aims-to-be-a-highly-immersive-experience

http://archive.fo/HBXc6

Famitsu posted an interview with Yuusuke Tomizawa, the producer.

>The Tales of Arise project started long before Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition, which was announced one year ago.

>As you might be able to tell from the video, this is a considerably challenging title, and when creating it we first had to take some time to rethink what the Tales Of series is and what it should be.

>Our goal was “succession and evolution” while also confronting the traditions of the series.

>As we were analyzing the main appeals of the Tales Of series, there were many parts that needed to evolve for the future. In order to maintain and expand the brand from here on out, we need to also attract the attention of young players. That being said, we are challenging ourselves to present something that dares to step back from the traditional conventions of the series in order to attract more players.

>There will probably be some fans who only watch the trailer and feel a sense of uneasiness, but we had discussions regarding fundamental appeal of the Tales Of series and the points to carry over, and decided and planned our points of evolution based upon that. We will explain the details for each element at some point in the future.

>With Tales of Arise, we cast away the dedicated engine we have used thus far. In order to realize rich lighting and atmosphere accompanied with unique, watercolor-like graphics and approachable character models, we based the game on Unreal Engine 4 while developing our own completely original shaders and the like.

>The theme is to hopefully offer “a highly immersive experience.” As one representation of that, we are further enhancing things such as the performance and actions of the characters in order to have players feel as if, “this character lives in this world.” With that approach, we’re combining fields and characters depicted in a watercolor style, as well as increasing the body size of characters to look more human. We’re putting a particular amount of effort into motions. Like even if you turn around, the character will not instantly rotate—it’s more realistic in that the character will first twist their body before turning around.

>Minoru Iwamoto, who works at Bandai Namco Studios, is the main character designer and head of art direction. This is the first mothership title in the series where both of those roles are filled by a single person. But because of that, there is a sense of unity in the game’s art in various respects. For example, by simultaneously working on both the world and costume designs, we can have a sense of unification even up to the cultural level. This is also part of the plan to offer “a highly immersive experience,” which is again the theme of this game.

>For areas related to performance, such as a character’s facial animations or the camera work, we’re aiming for a level of 3D anime comparable to television and theater.

>While it may appear that 2D anime is unnecessary with the upgrade to 3D anime, 2D anime is an important element of the Tales Of series, and plays a part in the great balance that is “succession and evolution.” While looking for a more effective utilization, we are designing the drama to be more exciting on both ends.

>Development is being handled entirely by Bandai Namco Studios. Among our ranks are staff from Tales of Berseria, and some of them even worked on Tales of Phantasia. We have staff both new and old who love the series and are working on the game while discussing the “succession and evolution of tradition.”

>The composer is still a secret, but will be introduced at a later time. We will have a theme song.

>The planet on which the protagonist lives is Dahna, and the planet that floats in the sky above it is Rena. Dahna is a naturally rich planet, but is equivalent to the Middle Ages in cultural leve. Rena, on the other hand, is developed in science and magical arts, and invaded Dahna 300 years before the events of this game. With its overwhelming difference in power, Rena defeated and enslaved the people of Dahna. That has continued for 300 years, which is where our story begins.

>The protagonist is from Dahna. How to over turn his people’s state of oppression is one direction the story takes. The protagonist’s armor and helmet are equipped due to his physical features. It should be noted that he has more than just his armor outfit, and will change to various costumes according to the situation.

>The heroine is from Rena, and is a confident and attractive woman. With the power relationship between Dahna and Rena, she and the protagonist are not very good friends from the start. Their relationship begins in a setting where the people of Rena discriminate against the people of Dahna, and eventually leads to a great drama.

>>16596760

>Battles are Tales-esque action battles against enemies and encounters. The theme here is to give new users the feeling of “an exhilarating battle.” We’re going for battles with more intuitive and speedier action that makes you think “this seems fun” just by looking at it.

>In battle, you can unleash various actions according to the situation. There are also elements that raise skill level through long time use.

>We’re upping the intimidation of enemy designs. This comes from the idea that “you should get a greater feeling of accomplishment from defeating an enemy.” While there is also the idea that some female players might not like it if we make the enemies too scary, it is nevertheless important for RPG battles to evoke a sense of accomplishment when defeating an enemy.

>That’s not to say that there won’t be cute-type enemies. It’s still a secret, but there is something like a mascot in this game.

>The Tales Of series has many traditional elements, and the same can be said for action battles, but there are also dialogue scenes called skit and chat. Regarding those, we’re making each element while constantly having detailed discussions such as, “Why is that popular?” and “What kind of evolution do players want to see?”

>We thought it was necessary to report on the team’s hard work and launched a blog to bring the series together. From here on we will communicate in detail via social media. https://blog.tales-ch.jp/

>I can’t make any promises, but I would like to offer more opportunities to go hands-on with the game before release than we have before.

>(Why did you choose the name Tales of Arise, when the “TOA” abbreviation is already attributed to Tales of the Abyss?) The code-name for this project was “Arise.” It is a word that came from the strong desire to revitalize to the series during development. After that, we discussed title ideas with our worldwide development and marketing staff, but everyone was in general agreement that “Arise,” the code-name that held our convictions, was the most appropriate title. So we decided that we should go with it to convey our enthusiasm for the series’ rebirth, even if we had to change the unspoken rule of the series’ abbreviation. Of course, it is also linked to the themes expressed in the story, and the word “Arise” adds to the sentiments of the protagonist and company who rise up to overturn their suppressive environment.

>We want the abbreviation for this game to be “Arise” or “ToArise.”

>I can’t say anything regarding the release date yet. While things are complete to a certain extent, there are still things that need to be brushed up, and there are many sections such as battles and drama parts that still need to be built.

>>16596760

>and when creating it we first had to take some time to rethink what the Tales Of series is and what it should be

I have zero faith in this.

>>16596760

>>16596762

I'm gonna wait and see, and there are red flags in this PR fluff piece interview, but we'll see.

>>16596762

>>16596760

These are near the same PR stuff he spun when he was making God Eater 2 back after the original director left after God Eater Burst. The jump from an old reliable engine that allowed for stylish combat to a slower, more anime-looking, graphically intense and far more animation dependent style is a repeat of all that.

Tl;dr : Tales of Arise is God Eater 2 and in 5 years time, assuming Tommy over here produces the equivalent of GE2RB and GE Res, we can get a proper good game again.

>>16554636

Berseria was a total disappointment, boring and tedious combat, this any better?

>>16597120

Considering this series' quality trajectory since Xilia, probably not.

BRUH

ANOTHER FAGGOT JRPG?

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>16597404

Funny how 40 years ago when Namco wanted to get more women playing games they actually made a new fucking game instead of trying to rolling pin Galaxian into some one size fits all affair.

Why can't idiot nips into good titles for their games?

>>16598043

At least it's an actual word for the first time in over a decade.

>>16598064

Not when it gets mangled by Engrish.

>Teys oof alisu

>>16596760

>we're appealing to a wider audience

>Unreal Engine

>muh graffix Though to be fair Tales does need improvements there, most noticeably better animations

>turning around has to be realistic! read: turning around is going to be slow and you'll feel like you're wading in syrup like in a Rockstar abomination

>muh oppression It could work, but all the Tales I've played have been very heavy handed with it and I expect evil nazis vs. noble savages

>"the heroine […] is a confident […] woman" In the current year, this almost certainly means that she's going be act like a cunt for no reason and talk down to the player, and never or barely ever get called out on it.

Yeah, lots of red flags in there. I will not get my hopes up. If it somehow turns out to be good, then that's a nice surprise.

>>16596760

>>16596762

>>16598230

This fucking game is going to make TLOU2 look like Mein Kampf is it? Nothing but fucking poz

>>16598290

No way in fuck will it be that bad but it'll definitely be a turn for the worse. Berseria was already getting a bit too much with every fucking character being a grating sarcastic edgelord but this might go straight into no fun allowed territory.

>>>/v/16598306

>a single game series that hasn't been good in 10 years is all of Japan

The fuck kind of retardation is this?

>succession and evolution

>Unreal Engine 4

>Muh 3D anime

>More human-like proportions

Zero faith in this. "Evolution" of the series is how they got into this predicament in the first place. Every fucking time they try to reinvent the wheel and they miss far more than they hit.

Bring back the anime. Bring back the supreme scrumpy combat from Graces. Remove all traces of Baba's influence. That's all it takes.

I just need to ask, are there any good Tales of games besides Vesperia and Phantasia?

>>16599061

Abyss, Vesperia, Graces, Xillia 1/2 aren't terrible. I've heard good things about the nip only 2D games, but never played them myself.

>>16599061

The only good ones are the Destiny ps2 games and Rebirth, Hearts R as well but the english translation is utter garbage. Everything else is a rollercoaster of mediocrity, most of these games are really samey.

>>16599086

Graces f, it's an important distinction. Also : Destiny Director's Ct for the PS2, Rebirth, Symphonia, Tales of Twin Brave, Tales of the World Radiant Mythology 2 or 3, depending on how you want to grind and attain classes.

>>16601773

So did you go out of your way to list things over a decade old just to embarrass yourself or what?

>>16601189

It's not bad, but definitely outdated. I consider Abyss and Vesperia to be pretty clear upgrades from Symphonia.

>>16601831

Symphonia still has the funniest script if you ask me. It's great fun to play it with friends and just shit all over the plot.

>>16601773

Wait, Xillia is a word? I thought it was just Tales of "XIII" -ia since it was the thirteenth (mothership) title, and funnily enough, just like certain other "XIII" game, it got a sequel. additionally, Milla is pretty much a Lightning equivalent

>>16601863

Co-op makes Tales so damn fun. Shame that Zestiria fucked it up (and Xillia 1-2 slightly as well, considering how linking works)

>>16602367

>additionally, Milla is pretty much a Lightning equivalent

Not true, once she loses the maxwell powers she becomes useless, literally can't even bathe or change clothes by herself, and her naivety gets her killed in the second game

>>16601863

Symphonia's plot is straight up fucking stupid whether in japanese or english, it feels like a subverted parody of ffx.

>>16602389

They've been slowly phasing out coop over the years so it wouldn't surprise me at this point.

>>16602367

It is. Unlike Symphonia and Phantasia that do fit their games thmes since they mean "agreement, (musical) symphony" and "Fantasy", Xilia means "woodwork". I'm sure it's partly accidental but given how wooden the story a lot of the main characters are, like a certain other "XIII" game is, I wouldn't be surprised if the nips were snickering due to those interlingual puns they love so much.

>>16602389

You have at least one partner with you so there's that. Dunno if you'll have all four at the same time though.

>>16602340

>>16605476

I can already tell from the mmo-styled dark souls combat paired with the ugly anime aesthetic that this game is going to bomb.

>>16605476

Giving realistic lighting and shading to anything even remotely cartoony looking, anime or otherwise, was a fucking mistake. Just compare to how Budokai/Tenkaichi 3 or FighterZ looks to all the fucking other DBZ games.

>>16559205

>i always enjoy replaying it every few years

Helps that it holds up the best of the original three in most aspects aside from the English dub and lack of skits. Probably also part of why it's so horrifically expensive these days, the other being that it sold like shit, NA never saw the PSP port, and while PAL did get the port and thus import friendly (if one was against yarrharring), Ubisoft botched the early prints anyhow.

>>16601773

Eternia and Vesperia at least work out properly as nouns within their games' own context. Inferia and Celestia comprise the binary planet system called Eternia, while Vesperia can be seen as drawing it's meaning from either the actual "vesper", a word meaning evening in Latin and to which Venus was sometimes related as the "evening star" (and thus the title referring to the in-game legend of the Children of the Full Moon, wherein Brave Vesperia is the brightest "star" in the sky, as Venus is to Earth), or the game's chronicling the events around the founding and early exploits of Brave Vesperia as a guild, thus being "Tales of (Brave) Vesperia." Or both, really.

>>16604103

Baba outright stated though that they were deriving "Xillia" from "Xillion", as a play on English "Zillion", with the word meaning "countless" and the X to signify an "unknown" or "crossing". Moonrune archive; having trouble find a surviving English article of the statement.

http://archive.fo/8E8HP

>>16569363

Well from what I've seen in Xillia onwards. All the wamen are stronk and everything is sexist including male handwriting for being effiminate. Other examples include saying women shouldn't be in a tournament fight and the lengths it goes through to say that certain items like beards are unisex obviously. It just seemed like they were shoe horning in all of this shit that I'd never noticed or seen before in Tales of before.

I don't remember all of the things but it just kept getting shoved in Xillia and I never noticed it prior. I'm currently playing the Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition and like I expected from that period of Tales the bullshit isn't in there.

I can't imagine Beseria not being the same. It just seems like post Graces F women can't be effiminate anymore and all the bullshit that implies comes along with that. I can't speak for Xillia 2 or Zesteria but because of Xillia I'm reluctant to try any of the new ones.

>>16611209

Yes, the newer games have a bad habit of making the women act like massive cunts for no particular reason with Berseria taking it to the logical extreme of writing the entire plot around it. It's one thing to be a borderline blank slate like Mint but when characters can't go two dialogue boxes without brooding or being obnoxiously sarcastic it gets really grating.

>>16611430

It's even worse in motion, with all the artes giving of that fireworks like effect you see in every game now where particles linger and keep shining. The whole thing almost looks like a FF15 mod.

predicting it now it'll be epic store exclusive which means

>PIRATE

>PIRATE

>PIRATE

>>16616383

I suppose that should have been expected with the day one PC release tbh

>>16616383

This shouldn't be a surprise to people who've kept track of the resale value on these games. They've been getting ridiculously cheap barely even a month after release and if anything that's a sign people aren't buying them over there like they used to.

>>16616383

Interesting.

What few Tales games I did play did not have pants on head or Nomura-tier retarded designs, so I'm not sure if this will even be noticeable.

>>16616481

>Trying to be something your not in order to appeal to an audience that never liked your product in the first place is just a recipe for disaster.

Unfortunately this isn't always true. Just look at Monster Hunter World. That shit sold record numbers while changing a bunch of shit to appease the casual faggots who didn't like the games before or wouldn't if they had known about them. These companies just want to constantly show growth, so they have no problems pissing off a lot of long time fans if they can potentially reach more new people to brag about at investor meetings. Just keeping on the same path and producing similar products for a niche but loyal audience isn't acceptable, you have to always reach new people and break into new territory even if it rips out the heart and soul of what made your shit good in the first place. It's all so tiring.

>>16616538

Just take solace in the fact that the series will soon enough not be sustainable and they have nobody to blame but themselves. It might not be the next game but sooner or later we'll get an "oy vey 10 million isn't enough goy" situation and shareholders replace literally everyone at Capcom with even more incompetent morons.

>>16606515

I'm not arguing wether they fit or not thematically, I know they do. The argument was if the words were completely made up or not. Which also blew in my face because Baba did indeed use that convoluted thinking for Xillia, only to land on an actual word.

>>16616626

Yeah, I should have said

>"social"

instead to make it clearer. But keep this in mind : when I say PCfags, I don't mean it in the affectionate way of "oh, anon is a PCfag / hey I'm a consolefag even though anon over here is a PCfag". I mean it in the actual, vile way. You know the ones I'm talking about as well, the ones that don't joke about PC master race but actually vehemently believe it and do everything to prove it while ruining everyone else's day.

>>16616383

>he is in armour for the first time in the series

Cless? Regardless, armour makes for boring designs. It's either simple and practical, or overdesigned harsh and edgy angles.

My hate for this entry is already reaching peak and only increases furthermore every time I hear the "evolve" buzzword and Western pandering. Now with increased focus on what faggot Westerners like, they are directly taking away the cute and unique appeal of characters. I am mad. I am ultra turbo final giga supreme mad.

>>16617484

Cless, Stahn and Veigue say hello to Tommy over there, not counting all the side characters that do have armour, like motherfucking Flynn or Yuri, originally. What's worse is that the this armour they gave not-Xero is copy pasted from the Chosen Undead of Ash or whatever other gay edgy bullshit they did with Dark Souls beyond the first one. Doesn't help that the way the fire stick glows on the armour and the lighting that is present, makes it look even more like they straight up used Dark Souls assets just because Bandai Namco owns the IP and series. I mean it's either that or they copied Haseo's Tri-Edgy armour and the only thing missing is the tail.

>>16617484

> armour makes for boring designs. It's either simple and practical, or overdesigned harsh and edgy angles.

Only in the hands of bad designers. You can make heroes stand out with embellishments that don't impede function. Surcoats, stuff painted on the armor and the stuff under the armor can all be used to make characters more interesting.

>>16618005

What is it with blackpill retards and shitty strawman MSPaint comics?

>>16618010

>retards

It's just a singular turbo autist, all his posts are the same.

>>16618010

Like lefty shills with the gay, they need to convince you that their line of thought is the norm so you don't think "hey that's bullshit"

>>16618010

It's literally one faggot who IP-hops and spams his shit. You can tell because every single one of his posts sound the same.

>>16617670

You can slap two different coats of paint on a pair of Toyota Yarises and give them different rims, but at the end of the day they're still the same damn model and plain as all hell. Give me the "impractical" cars that look like fucking spaceships and other crazy aesthetics, and you can keep your cookie cutter "real" designs all to yourself.

New interview's been translated

https://www.frontlinejp.net/2019/06/24/tales-of-arise-producer-interview-june-2019/

>>16633908

>Arise seeks to not simply carry on series traditions, but also “inherit and evolve”, saying that when carrying out a breakdown of the series’ elements to figure out its charm, they found that due to its history of over 20 years, there are many parts of it that they felt need to evolve in order for the brand to carry on or expand, or attract new and younger players.

>One such “evolved” element is the change in characters’ body proportions to look more realistic.

Nothing new, but I will never miss an opportunity to let it be known that everyone involved in this can eat shit.

>>16633939

>One such “evolved” element is the change in characters’ body proportions to look more realistic.

And just like that I've lost all interest. Nothing will convince me to even pirate this. Not even the cameo battle being Ludger.

>>16633939

This will surely not alienate our core audience. Fucking Jap boomers seem to be the most clueless motherfuckers.

>>16633939

>>16633960

This is what happens when you meme crap like "flat is justice".

>>16633970

What in the hell? Where did this out of nowhere retardation come from? Shut up, retard get out of the thread.

>>16633974

If you raise an entire generation on flat chested lolies, they will demand small boobed women.

>>16633960

>This will surely not alienate our core audience.

monster hunter world is proof that you can alienate you core fans nowadays without any repercussion because the amount of shitters out there wanting "gamer cred" is higher than ever and they would love to jump on series oldschool fags being praising since forever but can't because the game is either too hard, too complicated or too "problematic".

Right now for japanese devs, ditching their core base is most profitable thing to do ever.

Of course in 10 or so years they will realise these idiots never stay fans of any franchise and will see all those 30~40 year old series die because neither these geekfags or the actual fans of the series will want to touch it with 10 meter pole.

But these idiotic devs/publishers can't see anything else that is not short term profit, so fuck having fun or good games.

>>16634910

> Resident Evil 4 is one of more earlier notable examples

Gettin a bit sick of this blatant historical revisionism. News flash, the western TPS craze came from this, not the other way around.

>>16635172

>the western TPS craze came from this, not the other way around.

No shit sherlock, that still doesn't change the fact that they betrayed the base for a wider audience, who just wanted to shoot zombies in the fucking face without dealing with fixed camera angles.

>>16635191

Mikami himself felt the series was stagnant and wanted the change in direction mid development. It was purely a creative decision.

>>16635223

So fucking what? Other M being causal fest was creative decision as well.

>>16634910

>profound

what part of what i said is profound anon? Unless saying the truth is profound now.

>>16636958

None of it is, that's why I said acting profound and calling it basic bitch shit, numbnuts. Annoying me enough I felt like I need to get it off my chest but not enough that it's worth fighting over, hence the reation pic. That being said I am more interested of finding how a audience shift can be successful or not. We already know when devs backstab the hand that feeds them their game is going to be shit, the real question is wither or not they get away with it and how.

>Realistic proportions

Hold on a minute, does this mean the obligatory loli/shota of the title is going to either be eliminated entirely or look closer to a real child? Neither is acceptable, but I can think of nothing else.

>>16637438

>That being said I am more interested of finding how a audience shift can be successful or not.

On the short term, is most often than not successful, but i don't remember ever seeing a franchise survive it, 2 or 3 games later they either go back to the roots or kill the franchise for good

Also, i was not trying to act profound, i don't even know how you do that, stop projecting.

>>16637594

It means small breasts and ugly women, for all the outrage the lolis get, most people don't really care how children are portrayed in games, gotta remind you that these shits that keep whailing at everyone about how political everything is are almost always pedos, so it's in their best interest to keep the childlike characters being cute and adorable so they can fap to porn of them later.

>>16637693

>>16634011

You won't get lolis. You'll get neither delicious cowtits or flat lolis. You'll get stale and average models like nuLaura. Neither F cups or Flat Chests. Only pathetic b cups with characters with no attractive qualities as to offend no one, by pisses off everyone and solves nothing.

>>16637693

>2 or 3 games later they either go back to the roots or kill the franchise for good

Does sounds about right. Resident 4, to resident evil 7, 3 games. Faith in besthseda has been damaged after FO:76, 3rd fallout they did. Paper mario is dead two games after super paper mario. It doesn't explain something like castlevania though.

>Also, i was not trying to act profound, i don't even know how you do that, stop projecting.

I think you over elaborated on something that everyone who's been here long enough knows why devs do it. People usually don't do that unless they are acting/thinking what they're saying is insightful, hence acting profound. Whatever i'll just drop it.

>>16638043

>didn't really feel betrayed by the change because both can co-exist without problem.

That's thing though, there hasn't been a classic castlevania was dead after SotN. It's practically dead at this point, that's why I mentioned it in the first place. But I think I understand what your point, that fans saw it as not betrayal because all it did was change sub genres and even then the game could stand on it's own merits.

What's the point in complaining about the aesthetic when it's a Tales game? You already know it's 40 hours of pointless button mashing, awkward, stilted conversation, and puzzles lifted from a preschool book. That seems to be the bigger issue.

>>16638043

SOTN wasn't even the first game in the series with that style either so it's not like people actually assumed it would kill the classic games. Hell, Castelvania 64 came out just a year or 2 later and there was that Gameboy game and both of those were classic style. The belief that the classic games were dead didn't pop up until Lament of Innocence.

>>16638004

What gaem?

>>16641193

From what I've seen of 5 it just looks like a mulligan of 3. Hell, 2 or 3 of the characters were blatant clones of ones from 3 as well.

>>16640591

>Pointless button mashing

Berseria and Zestiria come to my mind immediately, but I'd say mindless than pointless, since in those games the characters' move sets are lot more homogenized and combo game relies way too heavily on hit stun. Older titles–like Vesperia–you could button mash, but by the time you get to the first proper boss in the game you'll get your shit kicked or have a hard time dealing with it if you don't understand how to cancel the end lag on your moves.

There are somethings I do wish would die in these Tales game. Like, ridiculous requirements for completing side quests.

>>16644540

>There are somethings I do wish would die in these Tales game. Like, ridiculous requirements for completing side quests.

And not getting a full party until like 5 hours in. Jesus they already solved that with Symphonia and it seems like they never even tried to do it again.

>>16641261

At least Neptunia has cute girls, most Tales games are just higher budgeted shovelware with va merchandise whoring.

>>16644713

Vesperia requires more input from you to master the combo game than most of the newer entries in the series. There's a lot to digest here and I can understand if you got frustrated with the game since, aside from Manual Cancel and basic movement/attacking, the game doesn't bother to properly explain anything to you.

That being said, you should learn how to Manual Cancel (set Control Mode to Manual, hold down Free Run button, and the direction of where your character is facing) which cancels the end lag of Artes/Normal Attacks. Also, Manual Cancel resets your Arte/Normal Chain if you stop in place and wait half a second after you do it, so you can immediately go back on the offense or defensive if you Cancel into a Guard. Normal Attacks can help reposition yourself so you don't drift away from the enemy when you're close to them and some Artes do this too (Yuri's Azure Edge/Storm for example). Plus, Control Switching will also help you do this (switch from Manual to Semi-Auto), but this is more valuable for characters like Flynn since he has a few moves that can drift away from the enemy.

Another thing to learn is to know which of your Artes and Normals can Knockdown or Re-Stand your enemy. IIRC, Overlimit Level 2 and up makes all of your Artes/Normals Re-Stand your enemy. Learning this can help you keep pressure on bosses. Speaking of bosses, you're just gonna have to learn how punish bosses then they get in a Tech State. Here's a vid that explains what I mean: https://youtu.be/WnNKnC35wYw

Last thing I'll mention is that you'll need to make sure you have all of the Ability/Super Chain Skills for all your character (or only the ones you care to learn how to use) to make certain combos accessible. There are also character specific Skills, like Judith's Aerial Artes 1-3 or Aerial Jump 1 and 2, to make 'em more valuable for their combo game. Use a guide to find the weapons that have these Skills or, if you have the game on PC, download 100% save file.

>>16644602

I want to enjoy Nep games but the gameplay could be much better in those. With Tales at least the combat is fun.

>>16644713

I think Graces F has the best combat in the series but I wouldn't call Vesperia's combat shit.

>>16644713

It's the last game in the series that isn't style over substance so no surprise people tend to hate it, especially CC babies who want to spam.

>>16554636

so which tales games are the good ones?

>>16646301

I'll be the first to admit that Vesperia being an incredible slow burn is one its major flaws. I can understand if people feel like they're jumping through hoops to get to the more fun parts of Vesperia and just give up learning what it has to offer midway. Hell, I think some Skills in the game break the game in small ways that I wish it balanced them more carefully. Regardless, I still like Vesperia for its depth it provides since I have more immediate control of my character, so I feel like I can pull off mini Mystic Artes by chaining Base/Arcane/Altered Artes myself in creative ways without having to just rely on hold down a button to everything for me.

Newer Tales, Berseria especially, tend to give all the necessary tools you need to get into the combat quick (not having to waste time to learn skills like Back/Quickstepping) and having movement be fast and snappy to control is nice, but with Berseria they sacrificed a lot of the substance of older games by homogenizing a lot of character's move sets to give you the same utility with slight damage modifiers which just leads me to use Velvet's Break Soul constantly since it gives me abusable I-Frames. The only downside to Velvet's Break Soul is that it drains HP, but moves can be executed so quickly that it renders HP drain moot. And with most moves having little no end/start up lag there's no real need to understand a character's moveset. Long gone is the fun of learning or incentive to learn how to use and a varied cast's move set for a more engaging combo game.

>>16646432

From what I've seen, people enjoy Phantasia (PS1), Destiny (PS2 but JP only), Eternia (PS1), Symphonia (PS3/PC), Abyss (mixed reviews), Vesperia (PC/PS4/Xbone), Rebirth (PS2 but only translated on GameFAQs) Graces F (PS3), Hearts R (Vita, but the translation is shit), and maybe Xillia. The games people talk about the most are Eternia, Abyss, Vesperia, and Graces F.

My favorites are Eternia and Graces F, but Graces F is a love it or hate it game. Because the gameplay is very good, but everything else is pretty mediocre/bad. Characters are only interesting in skits, story starts interesting and quickly turns into a generic friendship adventure with nothing interesting to tell, and boring as hell world, and a subpar OST. Yet the gameplay carried me through all of that because I think it's one of the best in the series. Meanwhile Eternia is just a solid package overall. I would say the same for Symphonia but I find the combat more boring than Eternia. The OST is fantastic though.