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Because EVERYBODY that was interested in it only wanted a movie adaptation of FFVII (which was the obvious and smart thing to do). When they realised it had absolutely nothing to do with FFVII aside from the FF brand they stopped giving a fuck immediately and the movie flopped fucking HARD. Then Square became Enixes bitch as punishment for their extreme stupidity.

Why the fuck would you dump all your companies money into a risk like this when the safe and obvious option would have easily made you hundreds of millions of dollars?

I quite liked it as the sci-fi apocalyptic film it was, and all the friends I showed it to said it was decent at worst. Most expected a by-the-numbers Advent Children type flick, but at the end of the day SW was better than that tripe.

> This movie wasn't terrible

If that's all you can say for it, then right from the start, you're condemning it with mediocrity.

It wasn't a fun movie for parents to take their kids to like a Pixar film, nor did it push any boundaries of cinema to try and draw in an adult crowd. It didn't draw on its Final Fantasy brand in a meaningful way to appeal to existing fans like Advent Children would later, yet the future of Square's film division depended upon it being a huge hit. I agree that it's an interesting film, but it had no audience.

>>16541513

>Squaresoft getting cocky not knowing how fucking tough it was to break into Pedowood

>Sakaguchi's writing skills didn't translate well into the big picture

>Sci-Fi-nal Fantasy instead of what people wanted

>They bet all their cookies on this movie without a back-up plan when it all went south

A thousand reasons and those are some of them

>>16541513

The only thing it had to do with final fantasy was the name.

>>16541513

>This movie wasn't terrible,

And that's the best thing that can be said about it.

>>16541513

>mediocre, uncanny valley cg

>shit plot

>shit writing

>final fantasy in name only

<why did it fail?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>16541551

Isn't the usual complaint that companies don't take enough risks?

>>16541567

This, it's a decent film, pretty interesting setting too.

>>16541551

>When they realised it had absolutely nothing to do with FFVII aside from the FF brand

It has nothing to do with FF in any fucking way, any FF that came out during that time, and I was really confused myself because of it, which prevented me from enjoying it.

In the end, Advent Children was made a few years after anyway.

>>16541567

True, but AC was what people expected, which is why it did better. I mean, how hard was to adapt any of the FF released till then?

>>16541713

>Isn't the usual complaint that companies don't take enough risks?

There's a difference between a company attempting to take a creative risk to mix things up, and then there's taking the risk of attempting jump the fucking Grand Canyon.

I had the DVD and there was an extra where the team crashes and they ask one of the guys if he's okay. He pops up with a stop sign embedded in his head and says" yeah, I'm fine". There was a Thriller dance scene too.

>>16541513

because it wasnt an epic adventure of a group of friends going against the big bad using swords and magic

>>16541792

Nah, as others have said it was the difference in tone and style from every other previous FF game. Hell, it wasn't even sci-fi with magic, but pure sci-fi. To this day I have no idea why they even attached the Final Fantasy name to the project.

>>16541551

I was expecting elements of the games, creatures, weapons, etc., in my case I was actually more on the FF8 wagon but still knew about the earlier ones and not even a damn chocobo, if anything I expected an original story because the games weren't exactly connected from the beginning but shared a lot of elements like magic, creatures and sometimes names.

The writing was just pretentious "2derp4u" stuff.

>>16541737

B-b-b-b-but muh Dr. Sid and Bahamut cannon!

>>16541551

has the right of it, it was a big bait and switch.

sadly this movie could have stood on it's own as it's own shit. or even loosely based on the deadspace franchise, but hollywood doesnt trust the audience to take in an unknown film without brand recognition, so they fuck us and themselves with their inability to take a risk.

>>16541610

>if that's all you can say

im sure he has more to say

also the movie was enjoyable. i liked her, i liked the feel of it, as well as the mystery. The comedy wasnt bad and the music was excellent (especially the ending theme)

Because it was a boring movie with a video game-tier plot.

>>16542062

There was also a Hein reference of all things.

>>16541551

> (which was the obvious and smart thing to do)

No, that would have made a even worse movie. Sure, braindead fans would eat it up, but FF in general is SHIT and makes ZERO sense.

>>16541513

>why did it fail?

They shoved way too much money into it than they got back because they actually thought they could create an artificial actress that they then could pimp out to other companies.

>>16541713

I was a huge FF fan back when that movie was released. You have to remember that for the most part FF was still a Fantasy game with very mild science fiction and ostentatious battles. Where as the movie was Science fiction with mild fantasy and not very much action. IIRC people thought the movie was good but they where all dumbfounded because it wasn't what anyone associated with the brand. The move marked a shift in Squaresoft's priories. I was also around this time I started to hate final fantasy in general.

It*

It was boring and depresing.

I like depressing movies like Alien 3 but this one was depressing in a depresive way.

>>16542398

>>16542448

It actually did pretty okay at the box office, but it never had a chance of making its money back. It had to literally be something like the second or third highest selling movie of all time to even match the budget or some equally ridiculous number. It had to do as well as fucking Star Wars.

>>16541513

Too many Japanisms and it was a final fantasy story without the game part. FF7 didn't work without pulling some tricks that could only be done through a game.

>>16542062

Sakaguchi et al was basically inspired by Tezuka's Star System in regards to the recurring characters such as the summons, the chocobos, the moogles, the dudes named Cid etc. The games themselves have always had almost no relation to each other outside of this self-referencing gimmick.

>>16541729

Are you mathematically challenged or something?

This movie bored me to fucking tears. I cannot for the life of me remember what the hell it was even about.

>>16541551

>Why the fuck would you dump all your companies money

Did this actually happen?

>>16543028

Soul eating alien ghost invasion, something something visions, something about plants? That's all I remember.

>>16543028

>>16543048

I seem to remember ghost suicide bombers too.

Jews.

>>16541667

There was a Cid too.

The only thing I liked about it was the DVD had some source material on it.

It almost killed Square, so it couldn't be all bad. Shame it had to come along at a time when Square was still potentially redeemable rather than today where it would have brained them with the shovel and threw them in the grave. Then again, their doom was pretty much sealed when Final Fantasy 7 blew up in popularity and everybody was buying their games just because they had "jaw dropping" FMVs - so TSW was the logical end-road conclusion of that. Once they tried to sell it to people who just wanted to watch a decent movie instead of shitting on each other in the console wars over hardware power - their magic evaporated and it lost it's appeal.

I still watch it occasionally, not because it's a good movie (it's mediocre - so still better than 90% of the Hollywood trash that comes out these days), but because it's steeped in early 2000's anime aesthetic and a nice little nostalgia trip.

If anyone has the DVD, it's all quite well explained in the commentary and other features.

When Rick Baker shows up, you know you have a job.

>>16541513

>This movie wasn't terrible

Yes, it was.

>and I like it

That means that you like shit. Not that the movie is good.

>why did it fail?

Because it was terrible.

>>16542398

Interestingly enough the concept was kind of used in the past by Osamu Tezuka and Reigi Matsumoto.

>>16543303

A compelling argument put forth by luciano.

>>16542524

Sadly they didn't even used all those common elements except like two or three names.

>>16543028

You could look for "everything wrong about…" and still get a pretty accurate summary.

>>16543082

Actually it was "Sid" yes, they didn't even get that one right.

Some of you faggots are acting like making a FF movie based on actual FF would make a for a good movie.

FF lore and universe is trash. Trashiest trash that ever filled a garbage can.

The smartest thing the people making this movie did was to make something new.

And it wasn't a bad movie. Certainly better than most Hollywood trash. Granted, it's not a very high bar to set.

>>16542015

you forgot the part where enix made shitloads of money off the DVD sales afterwards

>>16542372

>>16541551

>No, that would have made a even worse movie.

not necessarily worse but would've probably bombed even harder. that was fucking 2001, long before the whole "nerdshit selling simply for being nerdshit". they had to make a "western" movie broad enough to attract people that didn't play FF or even know what it is. and even then it's still a gamble, there are shit movies making bank and good movies flopping, just like every other entertainment medium.

>>16542472

>it actually did pretty okay at the box office, but it never had a chance of making its money back.

from what I remember the real shame was that a big part of the money went into the tech, not actually making a movie. another movie based on the same tech would've probably been much cheaper to the point they could've at least made their money back over time

>>16541513

It's a shit movie, and you have shit taste. You only like for the visuals.

>why did it fail?

Because it was a bloated over written pile of sci-fi nonsense that appealed to no one. The movie is way too talky for normalfags and way too sci-fi heavy to appeal to FF fags. Square basically made the video game equivalent to Heaven's Gate; it's a big expensive movie that appealed to almost no one while nearly bankrupting themselves in the process, so much so that Enix held off on the eventual merger after seeing what a flop it was.