/v/ - Video Games

>>16531778

>where will the IP wheel stop?

Passable to meh, just like every other Warhammer game, both Fantasy and 40k.

Played a few hours of this.

Its ok. Looks ugly as sin, brown on grey on green on more brown.

Go play a good diablo clone like grim dawn or poe instead.

>>16531991

The error in your thinking is that they care about video games.

The models were always their primary market. Even Dawn of War only served as an entertaining commercial for the tabletop. Between 40k, Fantasy/Age of Sigmar, 30k (which now we’re getting into Forge World, a.k.a the suit wearing cocaine dealer compared to the mainstream plastic crack that GW peddles.) and the specialist games (Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Kill Team) they have multiple vectors for making a profit. Not even getting into things like Citadel paints and the like.

>>16531991

But they don't spend any money on vidya they just sell licenses.

It's fucking nothing. Console Diablo but even less customization. Can't even wield different weapons for each class.

>>16531989

>difficulty

I never found TQ hard, just kind of tedious. If you liked TQ try out Grim Dawn, it's made by the same people and it's considered a straight upgrade in terms of gameplay.

>>16532018

I really wouldn't mind a battlefleet gothic game by the rebel galaxy devs. Rebel Galaxy was far from perfect but that gameplay style would really fit the space-cruiser battles RG had going for it, and with a few difficulty improvements and a simple modular damage system for every ship it would be just right. as simple as modular damage models can be, nodev here

>>16534490

>set in a sector at the borders of the Imperium so you can't rely on the navy

>play as an inquisitor with his own ship tasked with hunting down chaos pirate fleet and maybe bringing the sector to firm imperial rule

>interact with various factions and xenos on your quest

>do a few exterminatuses along the way

>get a qt eldar gf

I could see it working.

>>16531991

It's hard to imagine that there is a company like GW, who refuse to grow to meet their business potential and instead obstinately plant their ass on their established vertical slice of a tabletop wargame, all while making it steadily more terrible by catering to literally one faction. But they exist and I have no idea why.

>>16534847

I imagine it's because they have no competition.

I guarentee you the second a better sci-fi tabletop IP starts expanding big time, with vidya and everything, GW will have no options but to git gud or git dead. Or at least I hope so.

Same thing with Wargaming and Digital Extremes.

>>16534878

They did for a while, which was why they weren't quite so shit. Funnily enough most of the people I've talked to that play wargames don't play it with Warhammer. Last guy I talked to said he plays Flames of War.

>>16531991

>I sincerely doubt that the miniature sales are going THAT well to sustain them.

You'd be wrong.

GW is a toy maker not a game company, as long as they make those insane margins selling molded plastic spess muhreens they can live forever.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Masters-of-Ruin-2019?_requestid=2659995

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Join-the-Black-Legion-EN-2019?_requestid=2660649

1 HQ (5 figs): $85

1 starter pack (10 CSM + 1 Boss + 1 book): $160

Typical tabletop gamer has hundreds if not thousands of figs.

Do the fucking maths. And of course you need vehicles, paint, accessories, etc…

>>16531991

GeeDubs licenses their games, they don't give a shit if they are successful or not as long as they get their cut, you can make any type of shitty game but you gotta keep it lore-friendly bullshit.

>>16534976

Then I wish they'd whore out to someone with some actual talent that wants to make something actually fun, instead of another isometric, turn based strategy in close quarters or another diablo clone or fucking card games.

>>16535024

I mean, at least the game isn't set during the End Times or AoS. That's about the best I can say about it.

>>16531991

GW does not make these games, they just sell licence.

>>16535024

They sell it even to freemium mobile reskinned games. They dont give a single fuck.

>>16531778

Why play this when you can play path of exile?

>>16531991

You forgot the greatest:

>X40k: Rogue Trader

That being said, the WHFB setting is begging for a proper RPG, be it isometric or Daggerfall-clone. The setting is really well-developed and would lend itself well to it.

Instead we get this.

It's also not sales numbers that keep them going, it's markup. Modern miniatures are plastic, and they don't cost them more than a couple cents to make. Meanwhile, you have the honor of paying them over 30 dollars for a hero and 40 dollars for a 10 men squad of normal infantry.

Keeping in mind that you're supposed to choose wargear options when assembling miniatures so if you occasionally want them to have a flamer instead of a plasma gun, you get to buy two packs (or get to work with a knife to glue a magnet into them)

>>16535081

What's the closest vidya to the actual tabletop? I'm thinking the tabletop has to be so absurdly fun if people are willing to dump thousands into it.

>>16535081

Would 3D printing them be more cost-effective? You could have them printed pre-painted, too.

>>16535127

It's been tried and the verdict is that it doesn't work because details don't work, yet. It's probably what will end up killing GW eventually though, what with their Luddite ways.

>>16535081

>Instead we get this.

I can understand why people do it. Because its fucking easy to make compared to proper RPG.

>>16535088

Tabletop sim/bloodbowl 2/fumbbl. And its fun, but not as fun as to spend thousands on it. Its more of a collector thing, really. And its designed with shit like free drugs in mind.

>awesome new game, it cost only 50$ to start playing!

>you want to be competitive? well, you just have to buy 50 expansions for it, its only 500$ for all!

>but hey you can use your minis in every other our game! So you might want to spend 100$ for a single miniature in the box with 20 other minis. But hey, usually you have to pay 100$ for 15 similar minis! Its a steal!

>hey, but you are getting valuable stuff here!

Funniest thing is people saying that GW losing money by selling some stuff for 50$,while similar stuff(they sell) usually cost 80$.

The only good thing is that they dont sell random packs yet, like magic the gathering.

>>16535127

3D printing is not cost effective in any way, its just cheaper than buying from regular jews and quality is lower.

>>16535088

A large part of the appeal is building and painting the figures as well, but yes the game is pretty fun. I can't think of any vidya that comes close to it though and that's certainly on purpose.

>>16535127

You wouldn't download a space marine.

>>16535141

>The only good thing is that they dont sell random packs yet, like magic the gathering.

>buy a random 40k miniature pack

>get 4 different shoulder pads and 12 of the same left leg

>"Just buy 400 more to put together your Space Marine army!"

>>16534948

>Starter set = $160

GW fucks everyone, but it seems Australians really get the shaft. I’m assuming that you are Australian, seeing as these prices are consistent with the batshit prices I’ve seen charged to Australia in the past

>>16535428

I want to believe he is lying. It wouldn’t be unheard of for an SJW to lie

>>16535428

>>16535458

>Games Workshop Group PLC (often abbreviated as GW) is a British miniature wargaming manufacturing company based in Nottingham, England.

They are brits, you ever saw a non cucked brit? Pretty sure that faggot is not lying at all.

simple clicker. i still like it. art is great. runs fluid.

nice timesink.

>>16535667

You can't really argue that the "art is good" because it's easy as fuck to make good art with Warhammer. Every model already exists in physical form. GW probably has stringent guidelines how the environment for various races has to look as well.

The thing that dissapoints me the most is that they didnt use teclis's VA from total wawa, would have beeen neat.

>>16535667

I don't want a timesink.

>>16531962

Hes a big guy.

Why isn't there a 'nid/jeanstealer game? Sneaking about and getting new toys to play with depending on who you kill seems like a perfect vidya.

Have any of the primarchs been known to have boned anyone? With Fulgrim being a slaaneshi cunt you'd think he was a lecherous playable pre heresy. Or did they go all in with the "muh daemon sword make instant baddie"?

Good lord what a pile of festering shit this is

>4 acts - all the maps in each act look alike for the entire act

>uninspired loot drops that look the same and can't be traded since they're tied to 1 specific character

>virtually no economy

>repetitive gameplay

>enemies that represent 1 chaos god in each act and they're all the same for the entire act.

>shit voice acting

>bland, forgettable artwork

Diablo 3 for all its faults was still a million times better than this. Hell, Torchlight 2 was better than this.

>>16540292

None of the Primarchs were really sexually actively just like none of the Space Marines are sexually active.

In his Primarch book it hints that Perturabo might have had the hots for his adopted sister, but that’s all I can think of.

>>16540292

Leman Russ most likely boned a lot.That fucking furry bastard.

>>16540529

>Early GW art and lore

>Compared to HH/End Times era GW

>>16540562

Why are furries most often gay and bara/hypermuscle fags too?

>>16535458

>>16535428

This is pretty standard for the industry. It's full of failed authors and soy boys. Their latest idea is to pander to children and make paints you slap on which "paint themselves". The game is now 4 dumbing downs tier and utterly unplayable to any one who wants a game.

GW are also scared of video games and have been since the late 90s. Once gaming became a real threat to the tabletop hobby they started to avoid it thinking it would steal their market share. But the hobby is dying as a hobby either way. Their core market is straight white men, who are being pushed out of having the income to buy the shit they make. So now you're left with no core market and a desperate attempt to pander to people who aren't fucking interested. I could go into more details but you already get the picture. It's a dying/dead industry built on the "XD I'm a NERD!" bubble we have going on, which will burst and cause a crash like the dot com bubble did.

>>16540875

Apparently some of us are ZOGGIN' GITS too.

>>16531991

>40kfags

speak for yourself

I want a fantasy TBS or TB CRPG

>>16535371

>Australian.

Where have you been? Those are $US prices.

$AU is this:

1 HQ (5 figs): $140

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Masters-of-Ruin-2019?_requestid=3627739

1 starter pack: $273

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Join-the-Black-Legion-EN-2019?_requestid=3638494

>>16540914

So someone explain to me why Fantasy went from normal heroes fighting against all manner of filth and demons to THE BESTEST OF THE BEST GETTING THE BESTEST POWERS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE BESTEST HEROES AND EVERYONE ELSE CAN SUCK A DICK?

>>16540928

change of management, I believe

>>16540834

Not to mention there’s still a stigma against tabletop games, as if it’s something only “basement dwelling nerds” do. At my old college, there was a tabletop gaming club and I always used to hear the clever remarks of normalfags walking past it or into it thinking it was a ‘video’ gaming club where they could play mario kart or something.

I always felt bad for the people who I knew heard such remarks and played the game, It couldn’t have been healthy.

>>16541028

People in the hobby are already the weird outcast types. They're used to that shit. It used to be full of metal heads and actual nerds. These days it's mostly full of submissive father types. It's their excuse to "get away from the wife and kids" with the other old men.

There isn't a stigma on tabletop any more persay. Board games have become more popular but it's dumbed down chips and dip board games not actual board games. People take Munchkin to the pub or use it as an excuse to get drunk. The same way hipsters use indie devving as an excuse to get drunk, normal fags now use deck building games.

Well i've never had a game soft lock on me while telling me to use a potion before. Not a single button could shit the pop up. Brilliant.

>>16540834

GW cant start making games because they have absolutely no gamemakers.

>>16541912

But what if someone is too retarded to use potion and than he will refund game immediately? Imagine how horrible games would be if they were not designed for retards.

>>16540292

>Sneaking about and getting new toys to play with depending on who you kill seems like a perfect vidya.

There's a chinese isaac clone called "fresh body" where you cannibalize your enemies for attack modifiers and stat boosts.

>>16542866

Most would effectively be met with oblivion in the warp. If they were a psyker then they might have more left of themselves when they finally die but I don't think that would be a blessing.

>>16542897

>"god" emperor might do with these souls after he gets them

They get to join the starchild and ocassionally get shat out as imperial saints/legion of the damned, maybe.

>>16542866

Everyone goes to the warp after death with the exception of Eldar and their spirit stones so yes, the Chaos Gods will probably eat them anyway. Maybe warp God-Emperor can defend the souls of those who believed in him, but if he had big enough of a presence in the warp to do such stuff, why didn't Chaos Gods just kill or eat him when he'd be just taking away their food? Maybe he's too small and insignificant, but something's off here. If I remember well, a god killing a god takes over their "domain", so Slaanesh is technically the Eldar god of whatever gods he ate were gods of, so if Khorne ate warp-entity God-Emperor, he'd become the god of whoever worships the Emperor. Still, with how hungry the chaos entities always are, that belief-made warp Emperor would just eat you anyway.

Theoretically with how fickle they are, Chaos Gods and their daemons might not even want to eat you, though, even if you were fucking them over in your life. Unlikely, but possible. You might also end up in the nicer parts of the warp. Most likely after death you effectively die and feed a warp entity unless you were some sort of a big guy.

How sole was the emperor? Was he primarch/space marine swole or regular physically fit dude swole?

>>16542953

The Emperor could look however he wished pretty much, so you can't say if he was swole or if he just used psyker fuckery to appear so. I think the form one can usually see of him is not actually real and he often appeared to look different.

>>16542953

Conan the barbarian tier atleast, he fought primarchs with his fists.

>>16542968

>Emperor

>sentimental

>when he was an asshole to all his kids nearly 100% of the time

>when he only gave a fuck about humanity as a whole, not about individuals

>when he almost never gave a shit about whatever happens to any Primarch beyond seeing them as tools for uniting his imperium

That shit might be canon but it never made any sense, it just doesn't fit with his personality. It'd make more sense for the Chaos Gods stopped helping Horus mid-fight because they realized him winning would actually fuck them over and end their great game, just like the Cabal wanted, while ensuring Horus just fucks Emprah's body over makes their game go on for much longer.

>>16543037

The Emperor doesn't really have a defined character though.

It's like, one book he's a super caring, swell dude, and another he's completely pragmatic and sees the primarchs as nothing but tools

>>16543037

Unlike the other primarchs, the emperor actually raised horus as a son, he also got sentimental over malcador's death and all the bloodshed in the unification wars.

>>16542897

>>16542930

Wasn't there a bit in one of the Horus heresy books where the Emperor summons the spirits of dead soldiers, including one of the primarchs to help push back the demons that are flooding into his webway after Magus fucks everything up?

>>16543219

There’s a bit in Master of Mankind where he summons “fiery apparitions of Space Marines and Custodes” to help him hold back the daemons in the human webway, they are being led by a “silver armed giant wielding a hammer”, so most people interpret this as Emps summoning proto-Legion of the Damned along with Ferrous Manus’s ghost to help him fight.