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Company of Heroes

Play Brits for maximum butthurt

>>16523223

>requires a camera fix mod to be even playable

That's because widescreen merely stretches the game, at 4:3 the camera is fine.

I dunno about best but Achron is the most mind-bending RTS I've played. In fact calling it a RTS feels wrong, because time-travel is such an integral part of the gameplay and you will find yourself keeping track of the various timestreams and looking back and forth to change the timeline so you win. Multiplayer is fucking insane.

It unfortunately looks ugly as hell, but that doesn't stop it from being fun to play.

I'm playing lots of Dawn of the Tiberium Age, pretty fun.

Mashes original C&Cs with an optimized Tiberian Sun engine.

>>16523234

COH is awful. At least play Men of War.

Unironically Halo Wars 1 is a great RTS game. Too bad Ensemble was shut down after making it by Kikerosoft.

>>16524303

>>16524303

>FOSS game

>Based on Total Annihilation

>5 months ago stable update

Neat

>>16523254

How does it compare to Supreme Commander? Haven't played either one.

>>16524640

TA is the predecessor of what games of it's kind would be referred to as RTS, SC is a spiritual successor of TA

>>16524645

I'm just wondering why someone would consider Total Annihilation the best if Supreme Commander is considered a successor to it.

>>16523223

Age of Empires 2 is one of the best RTS games out there. To this day it still has an active and generally good community behind it. Base game is Age of Kings, expansion is Age of Conquerors. Microsoft decided to keep developing for it when they made the HD edition, the version on Steam, and have since released 3 more expansions for it.

Red Alert 2 and its expansion

>>16524254

>COH is awful

>Recommends Halo Wars

You don't play RTS games

>>16524662

I played the expansions, including the kangz one. They're pretty good, but they go a bit overboard with the eye candy. I want them to fix the unit sprites and the game more flavor, because it makes no sense to have East Asians and arabs fielding knights, or Aztecs with chainmail.

>>16524859

Halo Wars 1 was a great RTS game considering it was made for a console. People that didn't even like Halo but were big RTS players thought so at the time. Company of Hero's is garbage. Pozzed garbage at that.

>>16523234

CoH has such great music, graphics and unit banter but it plays like fucking molasses. Takes multiple sittings to finish one mission perfectly (capping all areas, killing all enemies on the map, etc.) which my autism won't let me play without. It's slow as shit.

>>16533681

And the absolute kikes ahd the nerve to charge for titans as a seperate game after releasing the first one as full price early access. This is a dev you do not support.

>>16523223

Rise of Nations

Dune II

>>16524661

Planetary Annihilation is the successor to Supreme Commander and nobody considers it better.

>>16523223

Starcraft 2 is the best.

>great unit design

>greath visual design

>great level design

>core gameplay best

>best campaign

Tiberian Sun has the best atmosphere

Age of Mythology is alright but was the start of Age of Empires moving into story based campaigns over historically based ones

Age of Empires 2 is great, has a lot of campaigns, the level design is shit, the core gameplay systems are poorly handled, there's a lot of tedium and rng with the economic systems, sea units have extremely limited value

For the most part I think that lean nature of Starcraft and Command and Conquer make them the best kind of RTS, but I think that their campaigns are what set them apart from other titles, especially Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty though since it's level design is amazing, and extremely varied.

>>16523223

Growing up I played AoE2 and AoM interchangeably, and then AoE3 when it released. AoM was and remains my favorite of the three.

MP autists prefer AoE2 since civ differences are limited and so much easier to balance than four radically different civs with three different age tech trees and national bonuses each, but it's that differentiation and mythological flavor that made me love it as a kid. And the campaigns, of course, which were better than AoE3's despite all the resources they dropped on them (though those were pretty good themselves).

>>16534416

Can't really blame a fictional setting from having a historical story. The closest they could've come would've been a loosely adapted Trojan War, and I don't know what for the Egyptians and Norse.

>>16534416

Consider that Age of Empires always has taken considerable liberties with historical accuracy - the last Teutons mission having you entomb Barbarossa in Jerusalem, for instance, whereas in reality they sent him back home to the Holy Roman Empire.

IIRC the devs themselves said the used history books for kids to do the research for the campaigns, simply because this kept things easier both for them and for the players.

Starcraft or Starcraft 2 is the best rts. Could be better though or at least have more in it if Blizzard tried a little harder for the second game.

>>16525054

>Halo Wars 1 was a great RTS game considering it was made for a console.

No, it's macro heavy with few units and fucking trash controls and CoH is anything but propaganda, you obviously never played it.

Go back to your 360 you stupid nigger, you know nothing of the genre, Men of War isn't even an RTS you brainlews retard.

>>16534558

>Gooclicker

>Best anything

No

>>16533777

>Takes multiple sittings to finish one mission perfectly

On the hardest difficulty maybe, outside of that, it's pretty easy to attain all the objectives if you have half an idea of what you're doing.

>>16534416

>greath visual design

I disagree. I've been playing it for a bit recently and I feel it focuses too much on presentation and too little on utility. The units and buildings are so overly detailed that they're unmemorable and many of the designs (especially buildings) are kind of nonsensical piles of random shapes. You could just take half of the details straight out and it would probably look way better. The levels are full of useless clutter that just distract you and a lot of it is very tall so they end up covering a lot of the playing field. The whole UI and menus and campaign navigation is a total disaster as well.

>best campaign

Missions themselves seems good so far, but the unlock system is retarded, it's like I'm playing some shitty RPG. I feel there's too many missions with some kind of time restriction though, and it seems like the enemy factions don't need to collect resources to make things, but I could be wrong on that.

Mechanically the game is very solid and feels good to play.

Rise of nations always deserves an honorable mention.

>no mention of dawn of war

ILL HAVE SOMEONE'S HEAD FOR THIS!

>>16534658

But muh Soycraft

Empire Earth, especially EE2. It has so many different epochs to go through, all with unique features, and you can tune it to be as fast or as slow as you like it. It's similar to RoN, which is also a good RTS.

Earth 2150 trilogy is also worth playing. Fairly uniquely deep system of developing tech and designing custom units.

>>16523223

Both Warcraft 3 and Age of Mythology have great single player campaigns. I just re-played both of them, and dated graphics notwithstanding, they still hold up. The story in AoM is one of the best I've encountered in a RTS. Very well-crafted and imaginative. There was a sharp contrast between it and W3's story, which is beyond terrible. In Blizzard's game, all the characters behave like idiots, and very little makes any sense. The Prophet may be the dumbest character in any game. The missions make up for the lackluster story, though. In both games, they're varied, challenging and fun. In singleplayer, the gameplay is good. There are some rough missions on hard towards the end of the night elf and orc campaigns.

AoM: 8/10

W3: 7/10

By anon.

>>16534416

>greath visual design

You like the unrealistic, cutesy look of the units? You like how units like the Thor and Helion look? I think Blizzard did a terrible job with the visuals. I much prefer to look at BW.

>best campaign

It didn't respect the canon from BW. At end of that game, Kerrigan has killed most everyone and Raynor swears revenge. The most importat theme in the new game is his undying love for her. And when she isn't destroying planets full of innocents, she's portrayed as a Jesus-like figure. It's nu-Blizzard schlock.

>>16534909

Reminder Starcraft fans never played any other RTS and only played Starcraft 2 because Kiketivision/Blizzard shilled it to hell and back.

>>16524916

There are mods for the civ theme issue however there's a problem;

>A) For example; you get a Byzantine architecture mod so your byzantine civ won't look like an arab civ, but it also ended up making the Middle East Civs get the reskin as well (i.e. Persians and Saracens with Byzantine architecture)

>B) The IA architecture mod does almost what you wanted except you have to DL what is essentially GBs worth of data which is as large as the game itself, but even then some of the building/unit reskins are simply crap that doesn't even blend in or don't have the proper texture, 3d design and color palette to even look right

What everyone is hoping for in AOE4 and an AOE2 remaster is a complete overhaul on the civ themes along with their units, and some concepts that simply never made it to the final release like the gaia regen (deer/boar/trees/bushes replenish, trade workshop that's actually useful, etc.), gaia outlaws, and other stuff.

>>16535148

>Massive is stuck with Ubishit forever

>Massive is dead along with Monolith

>Sierra and THQ days will never come back

It hurts

>>16535284

*Forgive the Ubisoft Niggers that ruined

>>16535284

>>16535286

I really like how all those shit browser F2P garbage games made less long term profit than actual games despite them being made for long term monetization and higher margins without the need to hire staff to develop games.

Most have shut down now

All these retarded kike publishers needed to do was make their older games avaiable digitally and they would make bank.

>>16534416

I consider SC2 to be one of the worst RTS games ever made. It's the game I ultimately blame for killing the genre. Because then everyone made gook-clicker, e-sport RTS games that failed.

I get so fucking mad when anyone tries to make the argument that SC2 is the only game keeping the genre alive. It's the one game keeping the genre dead.

RTS charts are always gay, time for you guys to make your own :^)

https://tiermaker.com/create/rts-games-43628

>>16534604

>>16534668

So jealous

>>16536128

<B tier

Good games, but held back from A tier due to gimmicky bits or other smaller but not insignificant issues. They're worth playing, but missing a few games from here doesn't disqualify you from being into RTS.

>SOASE

It's more like a faster-paced Civilization game than an RTS, but it does run in real-time so it goes in the genre.

Solid balance, minimal micro for those of you who want maximum distance from korea, and a setting that really makes me want a campaign mode WHY IS THERE NO CAMPAIGN MODE

>Age of Myth

Though it is part of the series, AoM is not AoE2, and the god powers, myth units, and heroes will displease the AoE2 purists out there

>Empire Earth 2

I actually liked this one better than original EE, but I can see why EE is preferred.

Goddamn the AI is a cheating sonofabitch.

>C&C3

probably the C&C game with the best balance of infantry vs. vehicles, it's just too bad that EA got involved and threw in a ton of balance fiddling and story shittery.

The second-best C&C game under EA, only below Generals

>AoE3

Continuing from AoM, AoE3 introduced quite a few gimmicks, and a lot more civ differentiation in units rather than in modifiers.

I still liked it though, mostly because it's one of the few games that actually covers the colonial age.

That said, fuck the dutch

>AoE2 HD expansions

I may have exaggerated a bit in the AoE2 Conquerors note, but these expansions do add stuff that's mostly gimmicky or overly-niche.

>Battle for Middle Earth 2

it's a fucking LotR RTS. There's a good bit of balance issues that thankfully got a little resolution in the expansion, but the main draw remains and will always remain the fact that it's a fucking LotR RTS.

>Battle Realms

The game's defined by its gimmick of all your military units actually being promoted from your worker units.

It demands a chunk of micro to really git gud, but it's pretty playable if you're like me and just want to attack-move your army into the other guy

<C tier

the home of my questionable decisions and Empire at War. Not necessarily bad games, but it's feasible to think they are.

>TA:K

dammit cavedog, why can't i get any fucking intel without either microing around birds or playing the water faction and spamming lighthouses?

>DoW2

Last Stand was decently fun, and it's still a DoW game, albeit on a significantly smaller scale.

>RA3

Fuck you, I kind of liked it.

This is the last remotely playable C&C game

>Universe at War

Factional gameplay distinctions are my fetish.

>Empire at War

The bits are all there, but it's just badly balanced all around

>bombers are the only winning move in unmodded versions

>everything about ground combat

>the Zann consortium's hilariously broken abilities

It's still fun, but it's definitely not something you can enjoy with random people on the internet

<D tier

These games are pretty bad, but they're not the worst

>Tooth and Tail

As much as I like attack-moving and being done with it, these guys pared down on the micro a bit too hard, and the end result is a strategy game where you're hardly making any decisions in the game.

Also, fucking furfags.

>Planetary Annihilation

Competent enough I suppose, but the balance is a fucking mess, there's only one faction, and the devs put all the fixes that make it playable in a second game.

Fuck you, PA team

>Starcraft 2

ESPORTS ESPORTS ESPORTS

and a bunch of story shittery on the side

>Halo Wars

It's a fucking console RTS, why would you try to put an RTS on a console?

>Supcom 2

NIGGER NO ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS FA BUT WITH BETTER PATHFINDING AND NOT CPU-RAPING

<F tier

It's shit

>>16524916

They went very overboard as the expansions went on. Conquerors is amazing and an absolute classic, Forgotten Empires is still pretty great, then they pretended the Indians were an empire, and finally dribbled out an expansion in which they pretended the Africans ever left the Dark Age. Other than that, most of their decisions were just game balance things, and AOE2 has exceptionally well balanced civs and gameplay. I'm willing to forgive Brittons not getting canon, Aztec having metallurgy, etc. as its purpose was to balance the civilizations rather than to be completely loyal to historical accuracy, otherwise the Europeans, Turks, and Chinese would be the only viable civilizations for the historical period.

>>16535118

I'm just hoping they don't poz the shit out of the 4th game. They ruined Civilization 6 with shitty mobile graphics, political bullshittery, and stronk womynz. I just want a good game man.

>>16537095

But Portugal was an Empire anon

we wuz kangz

>>16537095

I think the dev team making 4 also remade 1 and is remaking 2. If there is poz coming in the 4th game, it might be easier to spot through the remakes.

None. RTS is a shit system.

>>16536129

>Fuck you, I kind of liked it.

Why? It's fucking cancer. The artstyle is gay and cartoonish. And most units have been nerfed. You were complaining about e-sports earlier, but RA3 is all about esports. Every unit has been designed with esports in mind. Every unit has a ability that makes them good, and an enemy that totally counters them. It has these weird ass micromanagement abilities too. Instead of just sending a unit in you have to pick them and switch modes. You don't want games with micromanagement, that's what asians like.

>>16533681

I enjoy playing it, but they need to work on their character design.

>>16533828

And if you have never bought the first one you don't need to pay for it twice.

The RTS genre is dead, and we killed it.

Dune II with the mod for multiplayer and click and drag to select units is my personal all time fav.

>>16550365

>waaah muh micro

Git gud.

Ground Control II was my favorite. It's bullshit that the Terrans aren't playable though.

>>16550611

I'll say this, it also had a really fun campaign. I remember dicking around for an hour in federation mission 4 I think just building up enough ships to destroy the defensive stations on the neutral zone and fuck the romulans up

>>16536128

Why isn't Stronghold Crusader on there?

>>16553126

>>16553135

I've seen this long ago. I don't think the cutesy, simplistic artsyle goes well with SC, but SC2's story is cutery shit anyway so I guess it goes along well. Did they finally finish it?

>>16553397

It was displayed at the finals for KSL today. It's going to be on sale soon, I gather.

>>16537095

>AOE2 has exceptionally well balanced civs and gameplay

How many other games do balance like AoE2? I mean, by giving everybody the exact same mechanics, more or less, and then defining roles through a package of passive bonuses. It seems like a simple idea that's very useful for streamlining balance through modular design, and I wonder if it works for other genres.

>>16523223

>I heard Gray Goo is shit and Planetary Annihilation is buggy and meh. Is either one of them worth playing?

Yup, don't play them. They are garbage.

World in Conflict is still a good one.

What's the best though?

I noticed that I didn't play any RTSs lately… Sad days

>>16550611

>Get into fight with Borg as Fed.

>Fight them off with the more advance starships.

>Spend the next 30 minutes teleporting replacement crew from nearby star stations because autism demands full crew.

>>16536128

Thanks to the Enhanced 4X Mod I'd put Sins of a Solar Empire a tier higher to A-tier myself. Other good mods also elevate it.

>>16534722

Glad to see someone else mention Earth 2150, definitely good stuff.

>>16534603

CoH 2 is absolutely propaganda. At least 1 told specific stories from a limited viewpoint rather than shoving evil nahtzees and their holocoasters in your face.

>>16553369

Zero-K needs to be moved down to B. Having it above age of mythology is totally nuts.

>>16600924

and zero-k is upgrade of total anihilation and supreme commander

Any good RTS' where you need to micro unit abilities?

>>16602629

Warlords Battlecry II

>>16602662

How does it compare to III? I tried playing III a bit, but the unit's snail-pace movespeed really turned me off. Especially since the campaign makes you wander around a ton, at least in the first few levels.

>>16602769

>II a little better for online and hero variety.

Weird. The thing that attracted me to III was that there was suppose to be a ton of variety since they doubled the amount of races or something.

>>16602666

> but the unit's snail-pace movespeed really turned me off

Forgot to say - move speed and can be busted by morale and upgrades. Move speed is to vital because most range attack are projectiles and can be dodged with good micro.

>>16602771

>they doubled the amount of races or something.

They removed Human and add as 2 different races with shity Titans and units. Ants and Dino is cool but i preffer stick to II because what the did to Towers making them stronger then Titan after you gain 15-20 lvl so all games tied to how much army you speand on killing one tower and make average fight last 1-2 hours. You can try both games and will see this bullshit.

>>16602775

>>16602780

I'll check it out then. That game actually wasn't even on my radar after 3, since everyone made 3 sound like an upgrade in every single way which I didn't even finish. I could've sworn that they added way more races than 2 in 3, but that could just be miss-information.

>>16523223

SupCom: FA

Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion

Battlefleet Gothic

Red Alert

>>16534262

I played Empire at War recently.

Went vanilla with the rebels campaign.

Space was okay, I guess.

Terrain battles were boring.

I enjoyed giving orders to move troops across planets the most.

>>16602891

>Battlefleet Gothic

>RTS

??????

>>16602629

Warcraft 3 has a lot of that

There are so many RTS & RTT series that I really can't hand down on my most favorite ones.

>>16589649

Isn't CoH2 famous for being pro-Natzee and against the Soviet?

Is there a WW1 rts out there?

>>16534722

EE2 is underrated

The only reason people actually play RTS games is because they've confused their desire to play simcity with the RTS genre.

>>16553369

>EE2

>C

What a load of shit, get the fucking overhaul mod and it becomes way fucking better then 1

What about Sudden Strike 2?

>>16610846

>t. apmlet

MOBA's are boring, simplistic, shallow games.

>>16553369

original age of empires did not have proper unit queues till the rise of Rome expansion is a good old example

>>16523223

>no mention of sudden strike in this thread

>>16614708

RTS not RTT. Blitzkrieg and its sequel are also great, but they don't fit the thread.

>>16553369

>Yuri's Revenge above the original despite being vastly inferior in both soundtrack and gameplay.

>Zero Hour at A but no Generals at B

>Frozen Throne at all in A when it's a B game at most considering it's blizzardshit with garbage multiplayer filled with bots for replay value, with RoC being C at best.

>Infact, no Warcraft 2 at all in the list, despite that it would fit neatly into the B category as well.

At least you got the D rank correct. Maybe make an extra rank for ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT below F because nothing is truly as fucking terrible as C&C4, it's so bad everyone universally refuse to believe it exists, unlike other games in the F list.

>no OpenRA Remastered at F preemtively