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>>16514850

Its not too bad for someone like me who is only really starting M&B. I can imagine the pain long time fans have though.

>7 hours for 22 guys

What? In game or irl? Because if it's the latter then you do know you can recruit peasant from villages, right? They're much cheaper to buy, train and maintain than mercs.

>can't be fucked to start over

I know that pain. Grind your teeth and get ready to farm peasants. Avoid battles unless you outnumber the enemy by a lot.

>>16514885

It hasn't really phased me, being that there are a good amount of mods.

I played Warband to death. Is the vikings expansion any good? What mods should I install if I'm looking for enhancing the vanilla experience?

Fight bandits constantly til you have 20 swadian knights then go fight sea raiders, take all the loot and sell it. Repeat til you've got like 15k and go invest in an enterprise. Repeat as much as you want then get into inter-country politics

>>16514948

Dickplomacy.

>>16514948

Viking Conquest is legitimately better than vanilla in every way possible. Just the quality of life improvements and diplomacy options alone are worth it. Problem is: it runs like ass compared to native and costs 25 bux. If you can't afford it and don't wanna brave the waters just download the brytenwalda mod. It's a poor man's version of VC, but it gets the job done.

>What mods

<Prophecy of Pendor

It's like the second arc of berzerk in that its centered around knighthoods and is brutal as fuck. Seriously, expect to get shitcanned for the first 50 hours because there are a lot of curve balls.

<Gekokujo

Warband: Weeb version. You can find the continued, newest version on moddb.

<Any GoT mod

They're all good, if not a bit retarded with the hobo phase.

<Custom troop trees

I believe it was diplomacy+ the ability to design your own troops.

<Dickplomacy

Diplomacy+the ability to fuck your followers.

>>16514821

BANNER LORD NEVER EVER

>>16514821

Are you fucking stupid? At game start hire as many peasants from villages as you can. Afterwards prioritize killing lesser or equal amounts of bandits. Not all bandits are equal, some are more geared out. Also level the trainer skill so you can pass on more daily xp to NPCs lower than your level.

>>16514948

>>16515026

>>Gekokujo

>>Yyyyooooooo

>>16515134

It at least makes somewhat sense since many nomadic groups could not take walled cities but could easily rape armies and unwalled towns.

>>16515141

I literally did that apart from maximizing my party. I had a bunch of them leveled up and trained so they cost too much but I didn't want to dismiss them because they were good.

>>16515171

Meant to say, they cost too much so didn't want to get new guys. In hindsight I should have done that but because I didn't I lost my party when I got taken prisoner.

>>16515173

You should of course try to earn cash by selling loot you get from bandits. There are also bandits lairs which might have some better loot if you manage to defeat the bandits in a single ambush.

Another method is to trade goods, just check the wiki to see which ones give you the most profit.

Finally you can wander around and do tournaments to win a few thousand, provided you bet the max amount on yourself.

>>16515370

You can and you should. It's a personal skill not a party skill so the bonus will accumulate

>>16515399

Everyone in the party provides the bonus, including the PC. It might not be too relevant early game to go for it, but I constantly rush it as combat is piss easy and it pays off as you replace peasants

So I got the boys back together, this time I even got some Swadian and Nordic guys as I was doing a caravan escort there. After a few more hours I don't know if I'm playing wrong or the game just isn't for me. Am I meant to just keep picking away at quests and tasks to improve my relations bit by bit? I had a chance to fight for a count but couldn't find the party in time. I thought I was finally going to be getting involved with the politics and hierarchy, even if it was the absolute bottom.

>>16515476

>I thought I was finally going to be getting involved with the politics and hierarchy, even if it was the absolute bottom.

That happens with tibe, eventually you will get hired as a merc.

>>16515479

Good to know. As I said I fucked up and couldn't find the guy so couldn't partake in the battle. Nice to know I'm close and I did do a tournament but didn't bet much because I thought I was going to lose. If they are all as easy as the one I swept then I will bet max.

>>16514948

Man do I wish Silverstag got finished, it was easily the best QoL mod, removing various tedium and improving battles significantly.

>>16514974

Much easier way to make cash is to just know how to trade. Within a week you can have an enterprise if you're not retarded.

>>16515450

You can actually download it as a mod from the nexus, if you already have a cracked version you should be able to play as much as you like.

>>16515484

Participate in all the tournaments you can while betting max, that makes you gain fame, wich means more contracts and respect when you become a lord.

Is there any mod or submod that makes troops stay and fight in formation (ala Total War)? I remember seeing an AI mod that supposedly did that, but I'm surprised no bigger mod ever implemented something like it.

>7 hours for 22 guys

I hate new players that convince themselves their retarded ways on the first attempt is somehow optimal. They remind me of DSP, who does the same thing except he doesn't even wait until he succeeds marginally to cling to a terrible strategy.

You should take the XCOM approach to training soldiers, which means you go around every village recruiting until your party is totally full and then fight bandits until the strong distinguish themselves in a baptism of fire, then repeat in "generations" until you have a balanced stack of elite troops that have seen hundreds fall, drilled core troops and yet another wave of recruits ready to be culled.

I've completed Prophesy of Pendor and Native. What do I play next?

>>16515615

Gekokujo.

>>16515608

At what point does the OP act like the way he plays is optimal. You're acting like a dumb faggot who thinks everyone should know who to play a game they have never played before.

HOLY SHIT BONNERLORD IS OUT

>>16515633

> I don't know if I can be fucked to build myself back up or just start again

Implies he would pursue the exact same strategy instead of taking the common sense approach of "Well obviously I was a shitter that time, THIS time things will be different." If you are too lazy to build up an army, then this game is simply not for you because that's what you spend most of your time doing, especially when you are new.

>>16515643

With no autoblock on M&B you either play with a shield or never ever fight more than one enemy at a time. Or you just don't block and run something like a lance, heavy hammer or ranged build. Basically actually using the directional blocking is impossible in practice.

>>16515716

>>16515643

Also companions-only early game isn't so much a "challenge" as the obvious way to play. Training skill on multiple companions levels up troops super fast, so all you have to do is get your companions to be one level higher than the second-highest troop tier and from then on you can train infinite top-tier troops without actually having to fight.

>>16515716

I've played since beta .633 and I can't even imagine how you'd fight against multiple enemies with autoblock. How do you choose who to block against? Seems like a recipe for blocking the wrong attacker and getting shafted.

>>16515608

Raising an entire army is just a resource drain if there's nothing that needs an army to fight. All you need is just enough men (just you and your companions will do) to take out bandits until you're ready to fight actual armies. You don't need 40 Swadian knights to kill 30 forest bandits.

If you do travel with companions early on, you'll have enough trainer skill to raise an army quickly for when you do decide to take on lords and kingdoms.

>>16515800

I didn't mean a literal wartime army, I meant a cheap retinue of guys to go around hunting bandits or whatever. I can almost gaurentee you that OP is not good enough to take on forest or maybe steppe bandits with just himself and whatever companions he's managed to find if he is truly brand new to the game and not playing on super casual difficulty. I remember well my trials and struggles when I was new to the game.

>>16515834

That's fair. I discovered pretty early on that even Jeremus could snipe off heads with a crossbow without much investment, so I just gave each companion a crossbow and formed a firing squad. All I had to do was ride in a circle around the enemy while my companions did all the killing. But even that was after I had played for a bit. My fist experience with the game was forming a giant army, steamrolling everything and going broke due to weekly wages.

>>16515864

My first experience with the game was riding around Zendar, getting a feel for how many dudes I could kill by myself and immediately getting my shit pushed in by a wandering group of black knights because I figured I could cheese them. Repeat about 10 times for various seemingly less threatening groups of soldiers until I figured it out.

>>16514821

Congratulations, single player will be the same slog from here on out and it will take countless hours of grind to actually win. Multiplayer is was king before it died, RIP.

>>16515567

proper use of commands makes them do that, and most of the mods like diplomacy add some more granular control over your units.

>>16514821

Morale, party size, and % cavalry changes your travel speed. Get a big variety of food (food morale bonus doesn't stack with itself) and you'll move really quickly.

>>16516108

>that's why you stay in formation.

Or you spam overheads from a large hammer-type weapon that can crush through blocks, completely ignoring the mechanic on both sides. Or you use a bow/crossbow and never melee, or you use a shield and get automatic blocks anyway, or you just use a horse and lance.

There are so many much easier ways to play that I think automatic blocking should simply be standard because that way it stays roughly in line with every other option. Playing with directional blocking simply makes that method of combat shit compared to everything else.

>>16516065

Reminder that Butterlord will have playable lolis.

I actually know what the OP is talking about being a long time M&B player. The A.I. Also tweaks the townspeople to trust you less, so forming parties after you're a prisoner is harder. Weird and bogus.

>>16516119

But it's fun and in a 1v1 situation I can block attacks 98% of the time, those other options have downsides too. Bows are shit if you're slow and can't kill people very quickly, shields break, make you slower, and prevent you from using a two handed weapon which does more damage, and I was under the impression that you cannot crush through shield blocks and must be charging on horseback to do it in the first place.

>>16516131

I thought you could only raise kids, you're saying you can actually play and fight as them?

>>16515216

Hanging with a lord's war party can be useful early on, getting a bit of a name for yourself and leveling your main guy up some.

>>16516167

I think it's a system like Crusader Kings, where if you die your heir grows up and you get to take revenge.

Since there'll be actual models of the kids I would expect a playable kids mod at some point.

>>16516108

>>16516119

Just feint (ready attack, quickly cancel and ready another attack), it makes the bots stop blocking if they're focusing you and is much better than using a shitty 2h hammer that I am pretty sure suffers reduced damage when breaking through blocks.

>tfw no co-op mode

I just want a battle buddy.

>>16516493

>hammer

>shitty

What in the goddamn? You can knock a nigger down with it, and funnily enough its slow speed makes chamber blocking easy. It's great.

>>16516167

>>16516441

>I thought you could only raise kids, you're saying you can actually play and fight as them?

They confirmed you become the heir if the PC is killed. One of the newer dev blogs mentioned kids spawning in battle as a bug and only mentioned having to slaughter waves of children (instead of child models stretched to fit adult skeletons) as creepy, so if you can't do by default it's certainly within reach for mods.

>>16516609

It's slow and leaves no room for shield. Optimal performance is the strongest 1h blunt weapon (war hammer in native), a horse and the biggest cavalry-usable shield (huscarl shield in native). WIth that setup, you can become turbo meat grinder.

2h hammer is good on companions, though.

>>16515134

read up on how nomads toppled empires

i think the assyrians & others w/ mesopotamia

turks and the caliphate

the parni took all of persia

the huns

the mongols

the germans when rome was finally weak

their tactics is a combination of blitzkrieg and hit and run. When you can not do one or either, like with a wooden gate in a game that doesn't properly have destructible environments, all of that goes out the window

>>16516635

Now that you mentioned it, now that there's destruction in sieges I hope the wooden fences in villages can be destroyed.

>>16516630

It sounds like you have the fighting spirit of a Sword Sister.

>>16514850

Good, fuck roaches, M&B was always a shit boring game also

>>16516641

You can console yourself with some Gundar the barbarian

>>16516907

What's it called?

I got taken prisoner again lel. Was doing a dirty job for the king and got caught in enemy territory. Lost my party but I'm just going to bum around and do tournaments for lots of money and then raise a giant party at long last, safe with the knowledge that I have funds.

>>16517218

I like it just because the world and aesthetic is more fun to me than vanilla. The small fast knight parties are an absolute cancer in the early game though, they are not impossible to deal with by hiding in castles but actually fighting them seems nearly impossible early on.

>>16515716

>using directional blocking is impossible in practice

This is absolutely false and it's much more useful when fighting multiple enemies compared to autoblock, not to mention it's more fun since it takes a greater degree of skill and practice to master. Go with mouse oriented and train yourself to make sweeping motions prior to a block in the proper direction. Dueling against the autistic 50000+ hour vets in multiplayer helps as well. If you have more than three enemies attacking you within striking distance you are mostly fucked though.

I bet a lot of you guys don't even chamber your opponent.

>>16517930

are any of them in english?

>>16519338

>If you are melee from horseback you need lance.

Unless you're playing a mod that heavily changes AI behavior, this is completely untrue. Doing horse-bys on crowds of enemies not focusing you is very easy and possible with short 1h weapons, and even if they are focusing you, it's still very possible by abusing feints, avoiding early attacks the AI does because they're dumb, blocking with your shield and riding in for the strike. If they are all using pikes then it won't be easy, but neither will lances really. It's not something easy to describe since I don't have a video of it and haven't played this game for long, it just takes practice.

A rundown on why 1h hammer is better than lances on horseback:

>much faster attack speed, more killing power

>lances are only deadly when going at speed, 1h is deadly at any speed on horseback

>blunt means you can take prisoners and greatly aids your economy

>lances are shit if you lose your horse, 1h is just as effective on foot

>actually does more damage than lance and is better against armor, not counting couched lances which are very slow anyway

>>16517277

You're meant to become a merc and join a war. If you're lucky you can fill your entire retinue with rescued prisoners by the end of the week. You're sure as hell not supposed to get peasants.

Why can't I loot villages without be allied to a faction and in enemy territory? Why can't I be a bastard bandit?

>>16515370

trainer skill is a must in vanilla like games where the PC is most likely always going to be the highest level, usually i go about 4 points for every single hero. It's nice to train up an elite group in like 3 days late game when you are trying to fill your cities with defense and also trying to have a strong offense.

>>16515476

buy a enterprise in every city that you can manage, that coin every week will eventually pay off.

>>16515800

actually you absolutely want an elite army, but not too many, the smaller your army against an enemy the higher your fame will grow.

>>16514821

I remember I bought a "physical copy" and it was just a Steam code so I took it back for a refund then pirated it when I got home. Lost sale

>>16524624

>PoP

>fun

<We are the Jatu! We salute you!

<I'll rip out your goddamn spine!

<For glory!

<I was hoping for a fight, but I guess you'll do

<[random elven noises]

>>16524933

GitGUD faggot.

I'm running around murdering anyone who dares oppose me and carving my kingdom in blood (screenshots very much related).

I especially love murdering the Jatu.

>>16524982

What version and what level?

>>16515399

Are you actually retarded?

What else are you even going to spend your points on? If you're avoiding party skills you're going to have redundant points anyways. Not to mention the bonus is humongous when you're high level with high trainer. It let's you basically pull an army out of your ass at any time and let's your companions in the backlines you're using as skill dumps still gain experience without risking them in battle. There's almost no reason not to drop every spare point you have into it and have as much of it on as many people as you can.

>>16526084

How is the magic update?

>>16526130

Pretty janky but fun when it works.

Magic is disabled during sieges for balance reasons though, so thats a bit of a bummer, hopefully they can get that dealt with.

>>16526001

>Reddit picture

Confirmed retard

>leadership

Pointless when renown does the same thing. It's a trap to convince you that charisma isn't worthless.

>trade

Genuinely the most worthless skill. The returns are pitiful, like less than 1% price difference per level. You may as well have thrown that skill point away.

>surgery

>taking party skills on your dude.

Besides a couple points in prisoner management, there is no justifiable reason to prioritize putting points into charisma or charisma based skills.

Also unless all of your companions are combat companions, most of them are not going to be higher level than your mid range troops until very late severely limiting the skill's effectiveness. Get whatever strength and agility skills you need and any overflow stick into trainer.

>>16525582

Peasants don't know how to fight cavalry, my fellow warlord.

They do not understand that hilly terrain, rivers and tight formations exist to rape horse-fuckers.

>>16525005

>What version and what level?

Have to check. I have the big update from last year.

>>16526259

>Do you even understand what this means?

Qualis gem shortage!

>>16526521

No, it means that with enough metashittery you can theoretically get your runed weapon before Wolfbode even spawns.

>>16526527

>runed weapons

A bit overrated, if I'm being honest. The only one that's worth it is the bow ullfir or something.

>>16514850

Its all one great, big, long running money laundering scheme

>>16526716

Are we talking about Star Citizen now?

>>16526620

Ullr Vetr is not a runed weapon, its a temporary god gift thats just a strange bow renamed. Ruby Rune weapons all deal piercing damage ignoring all armor, and regardless of which you take its usually a one hit on any enemy. RR Axe cuts down a horse and destroys a shield in one hit. They may be overrated but they are still the best bet at murdering a unique spawn, and remember, you can only get one after killing a unique spawn with conventional means right now. Not to mention with an RR weapon you can get the money train going earlier because you have a reliable way to remove knife ear cavalry. Fuck, get an RR Glaive, go into jatu country with a bunch of meatshield infantry, put them all in a hug formation, wait for the horsefuckers to charge and then cut them down together with their horses in one hit one by one while your shieldwall stops the charge.

>>16515965

But then when they release it, will it be reason to love Turks?

>>16526527

>He doesn't know abut the one qualis gem hidden in a chest in the not-viking port town

My Lord. It is almost soul harvesting season!

>>16526834

I'm a fan of the speed rune. Combined with a two-handed sword, you run into the thick of it and chop heads off like a lawnmower cuts grass

>>16526865

The notvikings dont have one.

You get one gem from Rane, and you get one gem from the Red Brotherhood hideout.

>>16525582

Which Faction has the best/Great Infantry?Is Upkeep Manageable or its Devs bullshit "Balancing", since i might try this mod out and never played it before

>>16535433

fierdsvein and empire are the designated infantry factions. they both have overpowered high tier troops (berserkers and gladiators, they usualy one shot everything), as well as having easy acces to some of the most powerfull infantry based knightly orders (kraken raideri when it comes to sieges and immortals when it comes to field battles.)

upkeep is managable. since almost everything has been scaled up, it isnt all that hard to get tens of thousands, especially if you whore yourself out as a mercenery. only thing that gives vanilla amounts of money is quests

>>16535433

Fierds have best infantry but shit everything else.

Empire great infantry and good everything else.

Dshar and Sarleon both got a mixture of specialized anti-cav and anti-inf troops which suck donkey dick in some situations while shine in others.

Ravenstern has passable infantry and the best commoner archers in the game, with empire armored crossbowmen in a not so close second.

Also upkeep is negligible if you merc for a faction, which you should do for a long while anyway. Grab the most expensive troops you can get, theyre ALL worth all the money you pay to hire them, and shave off whatever you get on top of your salary for dyeries. If you got a really beefy stack going you can get a good 5k on top of your troops wages in salary.

Also as a protip:

remove lord escape chance entirely for balance reasons and up XP rates for you and your companions from the get go if you want to avoid a lifetime of anal pain, and definitely cheese together the 7 looting start, its the metashitters choice and youre gimping yourself without it

>>16535630

>Fierds have best infantry but shit everything else.

i would argue that their heavy skirmishers are breddy gud hybrid troop. i mean fuck they are heavilly armored spearchuckers, they are at least decent

most of the time I just play the skirmishes because I get raided too often

>>16538131

The alpha the skirmishers can deliver does not really outweigh the range of a bow, and despite their supposed faction melee specialization, they suck at sieges. Vanskerry tree has all that alpha without locking you into a specific faction.

>>16545246

Vansks do have some of the best units for melee and close ranged. The spear chuckers and berserkers can hold against a siege. They suck balls in everything else tho. They eat dirt on flat terrain when up against D'Shar and Knights in general. Their strongest infantry gets mowed down by Sarleon longbowmen. They can hold their own when fighting Ravenstern, but somehow lose most fights. Can't take and keep fiefs. Bar none the worst map position out of any warband mod

>spread out thin

>bordering 3 kingdoms

>2 of said kingdoms have geographic advantages and plenty of castles to hide behind

>only 1 choke-point that can be circled within a day

>only 3 towns

>only few castles are positioned to defend

They always get spitroasted.

>>16545286

No amount of troop rebalancing can save the Not-Vikings from being gobbled up by everyone else because everyone got claim on their shit and all they have claim on is one ravenstern town and a whole load of asswhoopin. The only game I remember them not getting their asses kicked was when they had two lucky shots at Singal and Ethos in the same war, and they steamrolled the Dshar as a result.