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情けない

>>16492828

この際だからハッキリ言っておくけれど、

私は方向音痴じゃないわ！

道が全て同じに見えて、覚えられないだけなのよ！

So, is she saying that she is not someone that get lost easily, but all the passages look the same and she didn't memorized it?

>>16492899

She's saying she's not a 方向音痴 but then describes herself as one. It's a joke, like saying "I'm not fat, I just eat too much"

>>16492681

>They say there's no cure for retardation, but maybe there's a cure for directional retardation…

Neato.

>>16492899

She says it's just that she can't remember the streets because they all look the same, not that she's directionally retarded.

>>16492899

No, it sounds like she's making excuses for her retardation and blaming it on the city planners.

>>16492828

That looks like Satoshi Urushihara's artwork. What game is it?

>>16493458

Growlanser

Does "kou miete" actually mean "kou mietemo"? I think I've seen this one or two times and had no idea what it meant if interpreted literally, but somehow I couldn't find it in the grammar guide. Plus I think there might be several other expressions have (mo) implied but missing, like any question word when it doesn't seem like a question. But I really know fuck all

Also what does de wa at the end of a sentence mean?

>>16495459

見える　＝ to be visible, to appear

こう = in this way, like this, in such a way

Thus こうみえて　"It appears in this way, and/but…"

No sentence ever ends in では

>>16495459

Pretty sure こう見えて is just こう見えても with the も being dropped the same way you sometimes drop a は or other particles for brevity/casualness.

>>16496015

It means sort of "what about/what if" the thing being asked about, in a "is this feasible/reasonable/something which can be assumed?" way, sometimes sort of rhetorically. In that sentence it would be "So, what if/could it be that the contents of the script were leaked to Chio-chan?"

>>16496015

I'll give it a shot.

>だから、チシオちゃんに

>台本の内容をもらしたのでは？

>What about the script that was leaked to

Tishio?

>>16496070

While I was typing the reply, yours appeared…

>>16496070

ah thank you!

>>16496125

>Nobody in Japan actually ever reads a チ as "ti"

Good to know, I'm used to both type and read ち as 'ti' because I learned that way.

Just to add something to the thread. I studied both the Tae Kim guide and the Manga Way book and neither explained WHY verbs fall in one of two categories, 一段 or 五段.

For verbs 一段 you have to only make a single alteration to conjugate it, removing る. Meanwhile, verbs 五段 change five times (four removing the dictionary form):

あ negative

一段：る→ない

五段：〜う→〜あない

い infinitive

一段：る→ます

五段：〜う→〜います

う dictionary

え conditional/imperative

一段：〜う→〜え／〜う→〜えば

五段：る→ろ／る→れば

する：すれば／しろ

くる：くれば／来い【こい】

お volitional

一段：〜う→〜おう

五段：る→よう

する→しよう

くる→こよう

source: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Beginner_Japanese/Godan_Verbs

>>16496171

はい！思ってる

>>16495459

>>16496070

itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojg/dojgpages/basicて.html

Check 3. in the notes. In essence there's no difference between the two, but it's not really a particle omission. Also for では in that context, just think ではない(のでしょう)か. As for the actual sentence, the meaning is more that she's supposing that for the reason stated prior, they leaked the details to Chishio. The other explanations were kind of neglecting that there's some reasoning behind the だから and it's part of that supposition.

>>16496015

it means that there is an elided verb that is either implied or cut off, and if you added that verb then the では would function normally.

>>16496125

>>16496223

ち is 'ti' because it represents the phoneme /t/ plus the phoneme /i/, i.e. the mora /ti/. It's pronounced [tɕi] as an allophone because of phonetic processes /i/ (also /j/) causes in preceding consonants. the fact that loan words introduced words where [tɕi] != [ti], that is チ != ティ, has been given multiple explanations, such as a new consonant /t˭/, but in any case, ち is probably still /ti/, and not something else.

also, technically, there is the same number of changes in both classes, it's just that in 五段 verbs it takes 5 different columns of the kana table to express the changes in writing.

>>16496856

>>16496223

eeh, I think I was misunderstanding what kinds of 'changes' you were referring to, so instead of phrasing it as a correction, I'll simply say that regular vowel classes in Japanese (both modern, classical, and historical) are named by

>looking at the six basic 'stems' of the 活用形 system for an example verb, namely: 未然形 Irrealis, 連用形 infinitive, 終止形 conclusive, 連体形 attributive, 已然形 realis, and 命令形 imperative, plus the newer "推量形 conjectural" for those that have it.

>ignoring "transparent endings" (e.g. る, よ, れ, and ろ with 一段 verbs)

>count how many different 段 the last morae of these forms come from, ignoring those endings.

e.g. If you ignore る, れ, ろ, and よ all of the last mora of 食べ come from one 段 (え段), as with 見 (from い段).

whereas for the 五段, they come from five 段:

>未然形 Irrealis, あ段

>連用形 infinitive, い段

>終止形 conclusive and 連体形 attributive, う段

>已然形 realis and 命令形 imperative, え段

>推量形 conjectural, お段

>it's a citizen's duty to work

f-f uck you vocab deck

>>16497970

>When should I start reading?

Yesterday.

What are your favorite live action films? Preferably recent ones, and with a torrent link if possible

>>16497763

They have that, 3 duties.

Education, Work, and uh, Idk the other one.

>>16498003

Does it become an issue when I find myself reading (or at least trying to; focusing on rough comprehension rather then translating whole lines in my head for the time being) so much that you nearly forget about your reps? Kinda happened to me yesterday. Wasn't even SoL. Yet I'm still collecting words.

>>16496015

It's short for のではない.

Think of it as a more polite form of んじゃない？

>>16496223

Maybe in some nonstandard dialect. I know じ and ぢ are distinguished as "di" and "zi" in certain dialects despite being merged as "ji" in the standard.

>>16498290

I would consider reading more important than reps, although they are still useful to keep up with.

>>16499868

I'd say they're about equally important and if you don't do both you're going to have a harder time in the long run.

Early on, both reading and reps introduce new words, and so I've seen some people just drop the 6/10k decks because they think they can just make their own. That's pretty shortsighted, though, because you're just making stuff you've already read easier to read, and moving onto something different will be a slog because of creating new cards for every other word you come across, which makes progressing to more challenging reading more discouraging when you're beginning or intermediate. The pre-made decks introduce a lot of words before you see them, and near the end you'll find yourself reading things you haven't read before easier. Then when you reach the end, you have to start making your own because 10k doesn't cover everything, especially more literary vocabulary you'd see in novels.

Reps on their own are bad too for the obvious reason being they don't really let you practice reading much, and has a similar problem that no reps has in that you'll only be good at reading example sentences.

>>16500069

>>16498290

Actual language experience is 100% most important. Beyond learning especially basic stuff, learning new words in a natural context is a lot better than some non-meaningful single short sentence on a flashcard. Among other things, it better demonstrates the intricate nuanced meaning of words, new or already-learned, and they'll also be more memorable when you've a more vested interest in what you're reading. Obviously you're going to come across words more than once, so it's not just making the stuff you've already read easier but future material as well. The more you read the more your vocabulary grows. If something's too intimidating you can read easier stuff until you've improved.

Creating your own cards can be a somewhat of a slog, but stuff like AnkiImport can really trivialize it. Either way, depending on your card format, it's likely mostly just whipping out a dictionary and copy-pasting. Little more than what you'll be doing regardless when coming across unknown words reading. It's not even necessary to make cards for all or even most words as you encounter them though. You can just choose to focus on the immediate task at hand and save card-making for something else, pick and choose the occasional word, quickly mark words for later card-making, or even learn entirely through exposure.

Once you can handle reading at a basic level, I say drop the core in favor of a mining deck. Flashcards are for review, not for initial learning. A supplemental tool, not a primary learning resource.

Whatever happened to nama-sensei? I remember he crowdfunded a terrible cooking show, the tried to shill some home security product or something. Then he just did game streams for a while.

>>16500683

He grew up and longer lives in Japan and has a real job.

>>16500570

What's the story about her?

Source?

>>16500570

She's very cute.

>>16500715

It's easier to get back than it is to start. At the very least, try picking up where you left off and remembering what you forgot as you go.

おちんちんを増大法がある？

>>16501876

お豆腐を控えることだよ

>update my anki

>it's now displaying ugly simplified chink scribbles instead of proper Japanese kanji

What the fuck? Is this the ultimate troll?

>>16502447

Try restarting your PC

>>16500840

>>16500801

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMhKMbJTE0E

I want a Japanese gf to scream some crazy Jap shit when I fug her. :'(

CAN'T

>>16503345

Porn is good practice in the beginning since the vocabulary is fairly simple.

>>16503345

If it wasn't for porn I can't say for certain that I would have made it. Forget daily reps, daily faps are the secret to learning Japanese.

>>16502637

From what I've seen the most likely reason is your OS is guessing the locale wrong and using chink fonts. no idea how to fix it properly unfortunately.

>But if I browse the deck contents in the menu, it still displays everything in the nasty commie insectoid style.

you could work around it by specifying fonts for everything:

>fixing fonts in card list

1. in the browser, click "Cards…"

2. click "Options" on the top right of the window

3. in the menu, click "Browser Appearance…"

4. tick override font and select your font below

btw the Override front template and Override back template fields allow you to specify what is displayed on the Question and Answer fields in the browser (by default it's the text on a card's front and back respectively)

>fix fonts in each card's fields

1. in the browser click "Fields…", then select the field you want to edit

2. in Editing Font pick any font you life

3. rinse and repeat with all desired fields

KANJIDAMAGE

>>16503962

other things to try include trying to run Anki with Japanese locale using AppLocale (windows). you could also switch system locale to Japanese (windows, a tad extreme), or switching language to Japanese (android, but that seems too extreme).

Also from what I found the reason it happens is because some chink, nip, and gook characters share the same codepoints in Unicode and your device has to guess which variant to use. Most devices tend to default to chink fonts (or chink versions of glyphs if font supports multiple languages) when guessing.

>>16503535

The vocabulary might be simple by nature, but they hold nothing back on Kanji since it's intended for 18+. Meanwhile a CERO A or B rated game needs to be readable by the audience it's rated for, and they haven't finished learning all their kanji themselves. On the other hand, kanji can actually be easier to decipher than kana if you don't know the word to begin with, so this might be a point in favor of the porn anyway.

>>16503335

I love this meme, so I have to translate it just for shit and giggles

>えーマジ？三次元好んでんの？！キモーイ

Eh, really!? A tree dimensional woman?! How lame!

>人間失格のクソ童貞だけが３ＤＰＤを求めるよ～

Only a pathetic virgin looser would want a 3DPG.

>>16503167

本物のヤンデレ発見！

といっても恐ろしいよね

そもそもどうして一緒に自殺したいわけ

親に恋人関係のことが認められないかな

>>16504391

The hottest AA character. Too bad there aren't any straight shota doujins with her.

>>16505785

>varying quality

Funny, it's all shit because it's nonhuman on human cuck shit.

>>16505539

one guy who normally made the thread said HE was moving to /vg/ you super retard. Other people just make the thread now. I'm pretty sure that guy is the one who's still making the threads on /vg/

>>16505785

>Shaved her pubes into a womb

That's new to me.

>頁

この糞言語やっぱ嫌いだ

巫山戯んな

>>16510519

貴様こそが糞だ

>>16503345

>cuckshit

Can someone explain 2ch/5ch to me? I know Japanese at a decent level but I don't know how the hell to navigate it.

>>16510544

当字だってまだ許される領域だけど頁とか煙草みたいな漢字使いだけが…呆気しか覚えられないよ

>>16510626

Just use the search function, 5ch has way too fucking many boards for anyone to look through them manually for a thread on a certain thread or topic.

>>16510626

Here's the /v/ equivalent board.

http://anago.2ch.sc/ghard/

>>16510618

Last I checked, none of the Tabithas are officially paired with anyone in the game proper. Besides, from what I can tell from a quick and rough gleaning the black haired one is (or quickly becomes) the aggressor.

One Anon posted a pdf about some hentai and whatever onomatopoetic words a few threads back, did anyone save it?

>>16512372

Not a pdf but

http://www.animetric.com/Static/Extras/Yuribou-Hentai-Dictionary.html

>>16515065

>I also have american netflix

Fuck off normalnigger

>>16515091

Seething incel

>>16515097

Go back to reddit/cuckchan if you're going to post stupid shit like that.

>>16515393

Just use Jisho's radical search

>>16515065

check ou-

>>16515097

>seething incel

check out >>>/suicide/

>>16515402

Yeah that's more or less what I've been doing when I can't pick it up, that or the hand drawn but I haven't been able to get that to work lately (probably just me). Still, it would be nice if I could just mouse over it like I can with kanji anywhere else in the dialog.

>>16515393

Kanjitomo has small issues like that. Sell info on your weeb persona to Google or >>16515402

>>16515413

Well you could also just post a screenshot in the thread and someone will tell you.

I am planning on taking JLPT1 this December. What should I focus on? Kanji memorization? I know about 1200 kanji, mostly the 1-6 elementary school ones. How hard is lvl 1 and at which grade do I get to pass it?

I've seen the word "Nuke" or "Nuki" with the "Nu" written in katakana when reading hentai, I can't find what it means. Is it an abbreviation for something?

>>16518017

You need to know Japanese.

Jokes aside, learn all the 常用漢字 and read a lot. There's a bunch of mock tests online, including one in JLPT's own page, so try them out. You need a decent amount of vocab and pretty much all basic grammar under your belt to pass N1, it's not that hard but from your post I'm guessing you're kind of far from getting there, so good luck.

>>16519173

抜, as in 抜く. Pretty common stuff. First result when you search for "nuki" in jisho, too.

>>16519173

Command form 抜く. Basically "take it out"

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/requests#The_Command_Form

Should i bother with techniques to improve stroke order counting or stick to radical search from jisho?

>>16519266

I am watching LotGH unsubbed and I understand about 40%-60% of it, am I good for JLPT a bit? Since that anime is fucking hard with all its political terminology and shit.

>>16519728

Do you read anything?

>>16519173

"Nuki" is the plural form of "Nuke". For example,

>Two nuki weren't enough.

>>16519788

How many games have you finished though? You need a lot of practice for N1. I know over 2500 kani and I've probably played at least 20 or 30 games over the past few years and I barely failed it.

>>16519788

I don't understand why people suggest to learn kanji before radicals. Learning in a vacuum seems like such a waste of time and effort, especially when having references to link the different aspects of what you're trying to memorize so effective

>>16519788

What are you reading for Linguistics? I'm almost finished with A History of the Japanese Language myself.

>>16519781

>teh nuki

xd

>>16519728

>I am planning on taking JLPT1 this December.

If you're unsure about what sort of preparation you need to make, then you might want to try taking the NAT test this August or October. The questions in that test are strikingly similar to JLPT.

>I just finished Sekiro, and I am planning on playing Fatal Frame 2

Won't recommend playing that game, its grammar and diction in many of the ingame text is no longer in fashion with many texts present in JLPT. It is still a fun game, however.

繭姉ちゃんが勝手に暴走してる度に、なんとなく「お姉ちゃん！」と叫んでいた

>>16519890

I wish I could understand any of these pictures, you're great, anon.

What languages do you speak?

>>16519925

Arabic mother tongue, English and decent Japanese (at least they say I am 上手 but for the time I started studying it I should be way better, but practicing slowly).

Next I'll learn Hebrew since it will help me a lot in my graduate studies.

>>16519854

It really depends on who you are. I personally think everyone should learn radicals eventually but I only really bothered about a year in just because it would make looking up unknown kanji easier, and was having some trouble memorizing kanji with a large number of strokes in them.

Plus, you naturally do memorize all radicals by just writing down kanji a few times a day, even if you don't realize it. Learning them in a vaccum seems like just as much, if not an even worse a waste of time, at least in the beginning when sheer memorization through flashcards and constant input gets the job done.

>>16519890

>those papers

Are you the same guy who posted about nanosyntax in a previous thread?

>>16519969

Yes.

>>16519456

Knowing stroke count can help a lot in searching sometimes. I find it worth the effort to know how things are written, even if you don't plan to write by hand much. After you write out enough it gets easy to know stroke count for pretty much any character you find.

>>16519942

>Those spoilered languages

>plus Japanese

I can figure out the first spoiler through >>16519819, but I'm still impressed.

>(at least they say I am 上手

だれ？

他人がそんなことを言ったら、ただの社交辞令とかお世辞だろう

>>16519986

>だれ

日本人達、だが私がいつも文法なら大丈夫、けれど実験に話すは難しいと言う。また日本に行きたいな、そしてもっと練習したい。

>>16520002

That means your Japanese is terrible. If they act afraid of you and ask how the hell you learned their language, that's why you know you're actually proficient.

>>16520006

It is too hard to know when they are actually complementing or impressed by their ええええええs like some TV show.

>>16520002

ボクもまだ日本語に下手な時期（JLPT N3くらい）であんなこと言われたんだ、日本人観客に

>>16520006 のような酷い返事が想像すら出来ないんだが、一理あるかもしれない

>>16520002

The Japanese say that about everyone. They're disingenuous about this kind of stuff and it's especially funny because Americans tend to take it seriously.

>>16520018

Their television is annoying too because they'll all act amazed at fuck-all and it's just ノリ.

>>16520028

そうだな、酷と酔の漢字を混じる俺には、まだまだ長い道があるようです。

>>16520018

>>16520002

I should clarify that I'm not trying to be a dick directly to you, but rather you reminded me of something that bugs me so I took the opportunity to sperg out. Sage for spergposting.

>>16520046

It's fine, anon. I learned something new, that I should take the japs' complements with a grain of salt.

>>16520043

>まだまだ長い道があるようです

ゆっくりしていってね

>>16520050

It's worth considering that they're not trying to be dishonest or misinforming necessarily, but they tend to be easily impressed is my impression. I don't think the majority are aware of the enthusiasm some people abroad have for their culture, so it can be surprising/flattering when someone is studying the language.

>>16519963

>Plus, you naturally do memorize all radicals by just writing down kanji a few times a day, even if you don't realize it

>at least in the beginning when sheer memorization through flashcards and constant input gets the job done

seconding this. I had trouble with characters involving 戈, 羊, and 里. if you keep practicing, after a certain point it starts feeling natural and you notice you can reasonably guess an unknown character's stroke order, barring a couple exceptions like 必.

>>16520077

to be honest I'd be pretty damn impressed if I saw someone speaking my language taco without mistakes (e.g. wrong conjugations, wrong tense) or a hint of accent, and idiomatically. You know, instead of the shitheap of stiff, canned crap they teach at language courses that makes you stand out like a sore thumb. Hell, just speaking idiomatically and without major mistakes is enough.

>>16520077

>>16520186

>but they tend to be easily impressed is my impression.

>to be honest I'd be pretty damn impressed if I saw someone speaking my language

As a SE Asian I can say that it happens to many nationals, especially to ones whose culture hasn't gained much coverage in the world. It kind of feels like discovering someone enjoying the same hobbies as you do, but it also comes with a realization that they put real effort in it.

>>16520077

Yeah that could be the case sometimes. Filipinos at work have commended me with admiration just for eating rice as though it were some little known secret and light up if I mention that I tried some food of theirs. Can't imagine how they'd react if I spoke to them in their language. But yeah, it's still super annoying to hear 美味い for the billionth time reading/watching something about cooking and other such cliched reactions.

>>16519819

Tales of Symphonia 2 has dope battle music, but the rest of it is pretty lackluster.

>>16528008

Doesn't Jewgle already have a thing like that?

>>16527817

They're lines from French poetry. Here are several English translations. Pick your favorite.

https://fleursdumal.org/poem/116

How can I tell when a jap verb doesn't imply a specific agent in particular (as in one does, you do)? This fucking sucks I feel like there are a million times when this happens but I have no idea whether it could still refer to a specific subject or not, and I have no way of figuring it out.

That's not to mention that I have no way of correctly interpreting the subjects 100% of the time either anyway and it makes me want to mcfucking kill myself

>>16528063

Fucking hell, that's why I couldn't make any sense to it. Thanks anon.

>>16528449

Context.

>>16520043

This is incorrect. You're looking for a word like 混同する or 取り違える

混じる means blend or mix in.

>>16519788

Does learning by radicals help with pulling out the meaning and pronunciation of new kanji, or is just for memorization?

I don't have much trouble memorizing things, but trying to read something and having half the kanji be new is killing my drive to try.

>>16531944

>Does learning by radicals help with pulling out the meaning and pronunciation of new kanji, or is just for memorization?

No, only in some cases, but most of the time not, there is no general rule to follow.

It only helps recognizing stuff, when you know word x is made out of lets say the the radical for moon + the radical for bamboo etc. instead of just recognizing the pattern of some random scribbles.

If you are interested in these rare occasions where the radical gives you a hint of how to read something, then I can recommend you the Kodansha Kanji learners course.

Not the same anon btw.

>>16528049

Probably but no one wants to have a google botnet open

>>16531944

It does to a very, very little extent that it isn't worth it to learn it for that. As this anon said >>16531994 it helps a lot in recognition and personally this is helping me greatly in memorization. An anon just posted the name I guess of a character from fatal frame and her name is 繭 まゆ　cocoon. Now that I have studied and memorized all the radicals, it is very easy for me to dissect this kanji and thus memorize it. Back before I memorized radicals, I was having a hard time putting together kanji. Yes I knew that大、女etc were radicals, but memorizing the rest of them will help you and make the big one that seem tough very easy, like 爺.

Same anon, for some reason 8ch resets my ID.

>>16528008

Because the neural net is programmed by the same kind of people we are trying to avoid by learning Japanese.

>>16531944

Kanji with the same main radical often have the same onyomi.

各格閣 = かく

低底邸 = てい

侵寝浸 = しん

etc.

It's not an ironclad rule, but it does help to remember readings once you recognize the patterns.

>>16533995

>>16534003

>gamuu

>stopped learning

So you admitted being a retard. Not even niggers could fail to learn Weebspeak.

>>>/facebook/

>>16535718

>It feels like she is speaking in a militaristic way

Well yeah, 隊員 is a military term for a member of a 小隊 or whatever.

>learning about し (the clause final particle)

>Genki, Wiktionary, Jisho, and Tae Kim all only mention its use for marking non-exhaustive reasons

>Maggie sensei, and apparently only maggie sensei, says that it can also be used for making a non-exhaustive list of any predicates, like たり but not limited to action verbs

> the examples that she gives (like "マギーはかわいいし、性格もいい。" and "東京では秋葉原に行ったし、原宿にも行った。") don't look like they can be explained any other way

what's up with this? Is she making this up or is it just so colloquial that nobody bothers to teach it?

>>16536974

One of the reasons it's good to use multiple resources for grammar.

>>16535718

Just soldier would be fairly apt while not necessarily referring to particular rank like 二等兵.

Is it proper to practice on multiple reading materials at once or focus on one at a time up to a certain point?

>>16537638

Doesn't matter, reading is reading.

Might be easier if you get used to the writing style of one author and the grammar he mainly uses though.

Also helps when he repeats certain phrases all the time as they are easier to remember.

But like I said, reading a different doujin everyday is also fine so go for it if you want.

>>16536974

You can't expect any English source to be reliable. 国語辞典 list 4-5 different usages.

I hope you guys can read kanji better than this ponkotsu AI

>>16539707

She passed all quizzes on online 漢字検定 2級 last year, by the way.

Not a good means of measurement.

Does anyone know how to turn the whole contents of Imabi into a PDF file? The last Imabi PDF file was last updated like 2 years ago and only has around 350 article, compared to the current site which has 410.

I almost completely learn hiragana bros, wish me luck for katakana

>>16542044

Quit while you still can.

How do I change the font on ankidroid? The kanji are all wrong.

>>16542290

put a font into the font folder and select it

>>16542329

>>16542290

I uploaded the font I use to volafile from the share thread.

volafile.org/r/HF33Go

The name is NotoSansJP-Regular.otf just put it into the font folder or if it doesn't exist create it.

>>16542395

>>16542329

ok, thanks for the help.

Do I need a Japanese phone number and mail address in order to get a MyJLPT ID? I am trying to sign up but isn't there an option for people outside of Japan?

>>16542290

If you have a non-ancient version of android, go to settings->system->languages and add japanese to the end of the list). With older androids you can use Kanji fix if you have root. This way it'll fix the kanji in all apps, not just ankidroid

>>16542691

Thanks, I'll try this first.

>>16542682

you're following these instructions right? You have to register with the administrator first, apparently

https://www.jlpt.jp/e/application/overseas_index.html

>>16543296

I don't want to take the test overseas, I want to take it in Japan. But in order to sign on the mylpt, they require infos like Japanese mail and phone.

>>16542044

The pain has yet to start.

>>16543441

>I want to take it in Japan

Why? It's the same test either way.

>>16543543

My country doesn't hold it so I'll need to travel anyways. At the same time I can enjoy Japan.

>>16544065

いかされた is the past causative passive form of いく, the verb for cumming. So he basically made her cum violently.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/causepass#Causative-Passive_Forms

need to re learn how to nihongo again

i went to japan and i didnt know how to respond properly due to lack of practice

caused by company hiring translators and no longer expecting me improve on nip

>>16531713

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for

>>16557437

Too bad. I've played it in english a few years ago, but my memory is shit so I probably already forgot most of it to be any help.

Anyway, I've recently finished reading からかい上手の高木さん (the manga), it was pretty simple. I've been eyeballing つきツキ！ for some time, but I'm not sure I'm advanced enough to read through it. I've looked at the first few pages, it looked a bit more advanced, plus it's an LN. (There's a manga for the first few books, but I'd rather read the original. And hope they'll release the 13th book in this life.)

>>16557824

I'm not looking for any help. It's a good challenge to help me improve, since I hardly have to look up words anymore for most other games. I already played it before in English too.

>>16557824

In my experience it's not too uncommon that stuff can seem to start off a bit more difficult than what the bulk of the actual content is while it introduces the primary setting and all. If you haven't read any light novels before then it will probably be a bit intimidating at first no matter what though. Don't be too hesitant to give it a proper go, it might go more smoothly that you thought and if not you can always come back to it later and can even get a gauge your progress based on that experience and how much easier it goes the second time.

So I just finished my second game in Japanese. Atelier Rorona (plus) took about 4 months, Atelier Totori took about 6 weeks. True end, so I don't need to do NG+ this time, I've seen enough of the content to move on. On the other hand I didn't get to finish the bonus dungeon, just not enough time. I also probably didn't put nearly as much attention to detail as I think I should have on the reading so I could still learn a thing or two if I spent time re-reading it all. Two more games in the series before I have to look for something else to do, so taking a bit more time with this one might be good.

That detail/skimming thing is looking like a problem. I read enough to understand what's going on. I usually know the situation, what they are talking about, reacting to, emotions etc. The combination of everything, context/visuals/voices etc on top of the words themselves makes it pretty easy especially after looking up any obvious key words. But then there's still a lot of bits that I don't translate or really understand at all. It's like building some ikea furniture and having a ton of screws and shit leftover at the end, I've got the shape but clearly something isn't right.

>>16558709

Since I'm going through stuff pretty fast now I'd like to at least build a little more backlog. Anyone have any recommendations for games to practice on in a similar vein to Atelier? Specifically looking for RPG games with voiced dialog and manual dialog progression. I'll probably end up with Neptunia if I can't find anything else, but I'd really rather not.

>>16559215

>Mistook ツワ with ツウ

Fucking Katakana. Now what is tsuu? 痛？ So does it mean that a tongue that enjoys bitterness is an aching/hurting tongue?

>>16559215

Translation of the description text:

イワシを生のまま切り、盛り付けた料理。

Sardines sliced while raw and plated.

しょうゆなどの調味料につけて食べる。

It can be eaten with seasoning like soy sauce.

独特な苦味を楽しむのが、ツウの舌。

Connisseurs can enjoy the peculiar, bitter flavors.

>>16564128

oh cool, is that arabic

>>16564195

Yes

>>16564128

And that one is 架け橋. You don't even have to be able to perfectly see kanji if you can deduce it from context. It'll come to you with practice.

It probably doesn't help that your emulator resolution seems wrong.

>>16564128

No problem. Things get easier as you persist through the endless small difficulties. You'll get to where you want to be!

>>16564289

post your skin color

>Try Ar Tonelico.

Not a bad idea as long as it has full voices for major dialog, it's already something I had in my general backlog. I wouldn't have expected full voices from a PS2 game though.

>>16564467

Not everything is voiced, but I don't think everything is voiced in Atelier either.

>>16564508

All major character dialog is. Minor NPCs like the often unnamed people you can talk to around town for 1-2 lines aren't voiced, but when I'm playing the game in Japanese I just ignore them completely. If a minor character appears in an actual story scene they'll be voiced there too.

>>16558769

A lot of your average eroge usually won't be too difficult, so they can make for decent practice. You may not always find fully voiced, often times female characters only. Try browsing something like vndb or dlsite (pro section will likely have higher ratio of voiced games than doujin) with the RPG tag and any other preferred tags. Just make sure the page lists seiyuu names somewhere on it or in the character information so you know it's voiced. Kamidori Alchemy Meister is an entry-level title a lot of people like, might have some similarity to Atelier in that it's got an alchemy system. Not really a fan personally though and can't speak to it's difficulty.

>>16565720

Already played that in english. Also I wasn't asking for similarity to atelier in terms of crafting or anything, I meant similar in terms of the kind of japanese practice. As long as it's an RPG of some form I'll probably be able to tolerate it. I might have to consider VNs but that will be much harder to motivate for.

So to break that down, I need Japanese RPGs playable on PC with manual-advance, non-eye-raping text (see >>16564128) and full voices. The need for voice acting prevents me from simply diving into my older emulator backlog, and manual-advance text limits what newer games I can play. My next goal is to be able to play an automatic-text game, but right now I'm still early in my second year and simply not ready for that. The next step after that (estimate around year 5-6) is to understand voices alone, so keeping the voice acting all the way is a high priority

>>16567099

>prevents me from simply diving into my older emulator backlog

Why don't you want to do that?

Translate lyrics

>>16570928

Because I'd eventually like to be able to understand spoken Japanese without subtitles and I think that if I always hear what I'm translating being spoken then I will gradually get used to it and be able to pick it up from the audio. Of course at some point I will practice with the audio alone, but only after spending years passively improving my voice recognition.

I do intend to play older untranslated games eventually, but the older the game the less voiceacting it tends to have (mainly due to filesize constraints), so the less useful it is to me and my current goals. Once I've already learned what I intend to I can go back and play those without issue.

>>16579262

Well yeah practicing with voices will help your listening skills, but on the downside it doesn't help your reading skills at much since you are relying on the voices. You are going to have to learn both skills eventually, so it doesn't really matter which order you learn them in.

>>16579367

The current strategy is "both at once", and voices seem harder so the next stage is "voices without text". I doubt I will ever need to study text without voice deliberately. If I ever do, there's plenty of material. Otherwise I'll save that material for when it isn't diverting time away from my current goals.

>>16579452

Text is probably harder because of kanji.

>>16579493

I disagree, Kanji make text easier. Understanding speech is like understanding text written in hiragana only, which is a fucking nightmare.

>>16579596

I think listening is much harder too. Japanese people talk fast as fuck, but with reading typically you can go as slow as you need to.

>>16580504

Speed is part of it, as is picking up the difference between どう and ど, or ばか and ばっか. But really, even if you hear and understand the sound there are so many homophones in Japanese that that's pretty much why they invented Kanji in the first place. That and their lack of a space. Kanji serve as a way to separate individual words. When everything is written in Hiragana it all runs together into one giant word that's nearly impossible to break down. Speech does have short rests but because of the speed and laziness people talk with they don't tend to be enough.

>>16579596

On the other hand, even native Japanese people have problem with reading kanji sometimes. See >>16539707

>>16583060

Hi NISA.

>>16583217

I gotta be honest i dropped that at season 2, is it worth restarting?

>>16583231

Super slow but if you get into it the story is enjoyable.

Just pirated my Vita, and found that I can just download any goddamn game straight from the PS store in any region. Only problem is it'll be annoying to check up unknown words on jisho since it's not PC.

Any Japanese games on Vita you recommend? Been meaning to check out Dungeon Travelers 2-2 since I enjoyed the previous one.

Figured that this'd be relevant to this thread's interests

https://www.frontlinejp.net/2019/06/11/japanese-games-at-e3-a-roundup/

>>16583245

>Been meaning to check out Dungeon Travelers 2-2 since I enjoyed the previous one.

You could try the first one, To Heart 2: Dungeon Travelers. Not sure if the stories are related.

>>16586688

It's kind of difficult to give an especially good answer. Sometimes there's practical reasons for writing a word one way or the other, but sometimes it's just a matter of choice or otherwise just which manner is commonplace. 顎 is one of numerous words that a lot of people will write in kana often times. Probably in part because it wasn't a jouyou character until the most recent revision. They could write 強じん for the sake of ease where furigana isn't practical but such jukugo look much better in their kanji than they do mixed. Maybe there's some additional factor I'm not aware of, but unless it's something aimed especially towards younger kids or that otherwise has reason to stick solely to jouyou characters, I think you'll probably see the kanji rather than a mix the majority of the time for words like that. A word with okurigana like 噛み砕く, however, you'll be more likely to see with a single less common or difficult to read character swapped for kana.

>>16586688

First I thought there's something very wrong with your settings, but I just started desmume, and it looks like I've just forgotten how awful the font of this game was.

I remember the first time I didn't understand what the hell is the 日ボタン. It was B button…

Anyway, I recommend setting the view to horizontal, that way it fills the screen better, and you'll get a bit bigger text. Not that it will help with this font…

>>16587672

No there is definitely something wrong with his settings. The pixels are all different sizes.

>>16580687

>there are so many homophones in Japanese that that's pretty much why they invented Kanji in the first place

>japs invented chinese characters

>>16587731

It's just how nearest interpolation works when you don't zoom to an integer multiply of the original size. That anti-aliasing-like thing on the font is way more annoying.

>>16587768

>It's just how nearest interpolation works when you don't zoom to an integer multiply of the original size.

I know, that's why you should always use the highest multiple your screen can handle, and nothing else.

>>16587867

To be fair, replacing あたし with あたち like like is supposed to indicate a childish/babylike way of speaking.

>>16587896

like that*

>>16587898

It's more the random replacement of letters to be cutesy that sounds like OwO tier baby talk. Also wight is an actual word that could apply to the world in a reasonable manner.

>>16587867

I take it they decided to be not so literal here? I'm seeing words and grammar in the Japanese screencap that don't match up to the English one. Unless たいへん and あぶない are interchangeable, which I doubt.

>>16588112

Yeah the Japanese is more like "If it's dangerous Heath could be in trouble, I have to protect him!"

>>16588125

>>16588112

You forgot ひかり？, which is where the "wight" (light) comes from.

あたち and the ちゃ！ ending are both childish substitutions. The translator is trying to use a similar substitution with the Ws to express the same thing, it just comes off as very stupid. I'm not entirely sure what they SHOULD do here, if they simply translated it as clear text though it would be even more inaccurate.

I'd consider the rest of the sentence to be close enough. It's adjusted more for English speech patterns, not to change the meaning. The only real problem with this whole thing is the W substitutions but like I said I'm not sure what the translator should actually do instead.

>>16588152

The ちゃ isn't really childish, it's a normal casual contraction. You did neglect to mention でち though. I don't necessarily think it's a terrible way to express their lisp-like speech myself, judging solely from the pictures posted. It can certainly be difficult to accurately bring the precise impressions stuff like that leaves across languages though.

>>16588152

>You forgot ひかり？, which is where the "wight" (light) comes from.

I was focusing on the part that was different.

>>16588489

I guess でち is supposed to be です, though I normally see it as でちゅ for that kind of character.

ganoo surashu rinakusu de nihongo nyuryoku wo suru houhou no osusume arimasuka?

Good Japanese input method for Linux?

>>16589157

The way I see it you have to switch your thinking processes to the one of the language

knowing many languages fucked up my brain

>>16588853

instructions are distribution dependent. Some have 1-click installation in the GUI language settings, others have thing setup so you install the 3 things yourself (through package manager or whatever):

>japanese fonts (IPA fonts are breddy gud)

>japanese input engine (e.g. anthy, mozc)

>input method framework (e.g. uim, fcitx, ibus)

>>16589177

>The way I see it you have to switch your thinking processes to the one of the language

I've had best results exploiting the languages I already know. I always get a good chuckle when I find something in a language that works similarly in another one (e.g. composite tense auxiliaries changing depending on verb transitivity in frogspeak and Italian). Of course it's more 50-50 since languages aren't carbon copies of each other, nor do they follow hard patterns (see sixteen, fifteen, fourteen, thirteen, twelve). And conventions and mnemonics will only get you so far. But it beats rote learning by far.

It's not for everybody though so I get you.

>>16589203

>"remaining/leftover feelings/thoughts"

I guess it makes sense from that angle. I was more picturing "what a pity" and "how regrettable" in my mind.

>>16589157

Many kanji aren't limited to a single meaning although some resources for learning them will just give you a single keyword to attach to it. Check a Japanese kanji dictionary if you want an idea of the meanings they associate with different characters. On occasion they even primarily or entirely associate certain meanings to certain readings of characters, such as with 率. リツ used to mean ratio and ソツ command, "as is," or sudden. The only dictionary I've come across that really notes that though is goo which seems to be 大辞泉.

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/kanji/率/

>>16587867

Japanese children take longer to aquire /t/-/s/ distinction and have a tendency to replace them with [tɕ]; English sneaking children take longer to acquire /l/-/w/-/r/ distinction and tend to replace them all as [w]. These are literally exactly the same phenomenon as realized in the different languages; you just don't like or because you've heard baby fetishists in English and not Japanese.

>>16589559

its actually being remade?

Is it worth learning if I won't get much use out of it? I hardly play videogames, I watch some cartoons and I have no japanese friends. Maybe I could post on Japanese imageboards and a trip to Japan would make it worthwhile I guess.

>>16591953

Learning is never a bad thing, but it's hard to learn and retain a language that you don't use.

>>16590976

Looks like we'll be getting more Lise doujins, nice. it's all gone be rape guro and tentacles anyways fuck my life

>>16591964

That's what I'm afraid of. I would never move to Japan simply because I'll never belong and I have zero right to live there. I would love to learn Japanese and just meme on normalfags and post on Nihon imageboards. Should I just learn my native language?

>>16590746

Thanks, I've never played ANYTHING on psp, so that might be a good place to look. I wouldn't have expected much if any voiced dialog on a handheld, especially one pre-7th gen.

>>16591953

You probably aren't going to be ABLE to learn it without doing at least one of those things regularly. You need to play so many games, or read so much manga, or talk to so many japanese people just to practice the language enough to lean it. What, do you expect to play Japanese video games for 4-8 hours a day for the first 5 years, and then suddenly never play them again but maybe one game a year after that?

Having trouble understanding the structure of this sentence. I more or less get what it means though. Can anyone help?

>王の偏執的なまでの征服欲の犠牲となった人々は、彼をこう呼んだ

In my mind, it translates to something like

>The people victimized by the king's obstinate lust for conquest called him like this.

The bit that confuses me is the なまで in 偏執的なまでの征服欲

Could someone break it up for me?

>>16596196

Basically it's just more emphatic than had they simply wrote 偏執的な征服欲. The まで expresses an extent or degree to which something is. In this case, his 征服欲, and it is to a degree where it's befitting to call it 偏執的.

>>16596821

Obstinate doesn't really seem to fit the sentence, especially if it's supposed to be extreme like that. Other words including 偏執 are 偏執病 (paranoia) and 偏執狂 (monomania). Take away 狂 (insane) from monomania which is an insane obsession over a single thing, and what you have left is just an extreme obsession. "The kings obsessive lust for conquest" makes sense.

>>16597413

>tfw i read that a few weeks after abandoning chinese and i felt better

also thanks anon.

When i was studying chinese i would draw (or write?) rows upon rows of the same character to memorize and draw it. Would you say that this would help me with japanese aswell?

how have you learned?

>>16597373

Chinese is useless. Nobody wants to go to China or talk to chinks, and they don't make any culture of value anymore.

>>16597436

well thanks, that's why i abandoned it

>>16597433

I say it's meaningless, unless you want to write a lot of text with hand. Yes, it could help memorization to write it down a few times, but writing rows upon rows is overkill. Primarily you want to recognize them, not produce.

>>16597490

>>16597490

>Primarily you want to recognize them, not produce.

so,anki?

>>16597504

Sure. Just make sure you're better than me

>>16597613

Oh, right.

I forgot a few points on learning language learning. Immersion and conversation.

>Immersion

The most effective way of learning a language, and one of the most extreme, are total immersion programs, which are basically controlled environments in which students are only allowed to speak the language. To illustrate how extreme it can be, in one program if the lunch workers were to ask if you want fries with that, and you accidentally said yes, you wouldn't be allowed to eat your meal at all.

Needless to say, these programs are not really applicable for anyone here, but even minor immersion into the language can do wonders.

As Arnold Schwarzenegger of all people put

>You’ve got to turn off the Spanish television set. You’re just forced to speak English, and that just makes you learn the language faster.

The inverse it also true.

Start watching/playing Japanese t.v./films/shows/games without subtitles.

>Conversation

Make certain to talk with other people. I have run out of time to expands upon this point, but I'm shocked that these threads don't have a moon rune Monday, where everyone ITT attempts to only communicate in Japanese.

https://www.ft.com/content/29d594fa-5cf2-11e9-9dde-7aedca0a081a

Japan’s population decline accelerates despite record immigration

>>16597373

>How hard would it be to start studying japanese?

I think it's good that you already "forgot" a lot of chinese, I guess you'll be able to recognize some characters and their meaning this way, while still being able to memorize the new reading.

I have a friend that learns chink and especially beginner kanji are pretty similar or the same as in Japanese.

>or i better go back to study chinese?

You did the right decision, fuck the chinks.

>>16597676

>I'm shocked that these threads don't have a moon rune Monday, where everyone ITT attempts to only communicate in Japanese.

I think that would be counter productive among non-native speakers.

>>16597676

That rigor of immersion is severely counter productive to language acquisition. Not using the learners' L1 to help achieve L2 proficiency is a really big disadvantage. Tis is because the mechanisms for learning your mother tongue and any other subsequent languages are completely different. Of course you'd see results, but you wouldn't get an optimal rate of development. At least that's what I remember from linguistics and language acquisition.

>>16599700

>The few things that have been found to consistently work are distributed practice, interleaved practice, and practice testing [with immediate feedback].

So flashcards aren't a waste of time after all, huh? 毎日はトランプが学ぶです。

>>16599626

I still have trouble with listening comprehension with speech at normal native speaker speed. If it's slower then it's not too hard.

>>16599738

トランプ means exclusively Western playing cards, as in jack queen king 2-10 ace. 学ぶ is transitive, so you can't use が like that. が marks the subject of transitive verbs.

>>16601095

this single comment already made me rethink the decision of learning japanese, sounds like a boring grammar shit

>https://itazuraneko.neocities.org

The site has Japanese games now btw, not sure when they added this.

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/game.html

>>16601127

>I can't believe I have to learn how the language works and what its words mean in order to use it. this is outrageous.

>>16601095

Ok so then it would be something like

毎日はカードを学ぶです

right?

>>16601847

学びます, not 学ぶです. Adding a plain 〜です to the end only forms the polite form of i-adjectives, and 〜です is the polite infected form of na-adjectives and the polite form of the copula.

>>16601951

Give examples cause I don't get it.

>Adding a plain 〜です to the end only forms the polite form of i-adjectives, and 〜です is the polite infected form of na-adjectives

学ぶ is a verb, not an adjective, so why couldn't です be appended to the end? It could even be omitted entirely, right? Isn't 学びます more polite and formal than the plain form?

>>16601993

Because です is a verb too.

>>16602046

Oh, right, I get it. You're saying that it's technically grammatically incorrect to follow up a standard verb with the copula because that would be superfluous, since they're both verbs. So, if you want to be polite, you have to conjugate the verb with ます.

>>16601993

です can't follow 学ぶ because 学ぶ is a verb. any instance of です is one of three things:

> the polite infection of the copula だ for nouns

> the polite infection of na-adjectives

> a non-inflecting suffix added to i-adjectives, forming their polite infection

です isn't a generic sentence final particle that can be added to the end of any sentence; it is either a verb(al) in it's own right or part of the polite inflection of another predicate. Verbs do not use です to turn their polite form, they use [infinitive] + ます. verb + です is incorrect but if it weren't then there would be no difference in formality between it and 〜ます

>>16601847

I might suggest 単語カード although it kind of limits the meaning to vocabulary cards. You can drop the は unless you specifically want to stress 毎日 as opposed to something else and you'd want to use で rather than を. を marks a direct object, a direct recipient of the action being carried out. You're not learning cards, you're learning Japanese through cards and で is a particle you can use here to express cards as being the means by which you're performing the action. So if you wanted to verbalize that full sentiment you could say (単語)カードで日本語を学ぶ. If your intent was to say that you learn daily through flashcards, by the way, you'll also want to go with 学んでいる・でいます to indicate the action as being in a continuing state.

>>16599626

If the audio quality is poor like a bad mic or it's noisy, multiple people are talking at once or something I can have a pretty difficult time. Especially if the people speaking are fast-talkers to boot. Some speedy talkers can lose me even with okay quality audio. On occasion I'll have a difficult time making out some words which I don't know, misinterpreting certain syllables and as a beginner certainly struggled with that a bit. Honestly like 75% of my language use goes to plain reading so any troubles there are my own fault.

>>16602079

>>16602469

はい、分かった。　ありがとう、　アノンさん。

>>16587867

That's completely fair, charlotte talks like a stupid baby in japanese too, the only thing to criticize is that charlotte talks like a stupid baby when she's supposed to be fucking 15 YEARS OLD,

>>16602795

She just has brain problems.

デッドスレッド。。。

Some games have 日本語(1), 日本語(2) and 英語 in their language options. What's the difference between the 2 japanese options?

>>16605251

How is anybody supposed to answer that without any context? What game are you talking about, and what are the descriptions of the options?

>>16605251

Try it and see? Then tell us.

>>16605267

Dunno, I thought it was the norm for old games.It's a Wizardry port

>>16605345

Didn't notice any difference.

Is being an English teacher still viable? Search results vary. I'm desperate for income and leaving my country at this point.

>>16606952

>tfw no (((college degree)))

>>16606952

そのことは一度も良くなかった。

>>16606952

/a/の日本旅行スレに聞いてみろ

確かに奴らの中に最低一人が日本に働いて住んでるんだ

>>16607780

/a/のスレッドは死都だ。

3DS games to play in japanese? Anyone? I'm fine with any level at this point, I just want a good game that I can play.

>>16608517

The Dai Gyakuten Saiban games.

>>16605251

Kana only/Furigana/Normal?

>>16609155

Holy shit I've read a hundred rules about wa/ga and still see something new every time someone posts pics like that.

I personally just follow the easiest rule I've found, where it says just use ha unless it is important to let people know that YOU are the one that is american or whatever.

Is it 100% accurate? don't think so, but it works well enough on tests and you'll learn that shit passively sooner or later any imo.

Don't break a sweat anon.

>>16609303

>realistically though, they are used interchangeably

Not always. Like in (something)が好き I don't think you can use は in place of が

>>16609457

You are not going to learn grammar just from reading textbooks. You have to practice reading/listening/speaking.

>>16609457

Where do you plan on going?

Despite what some people say, you get by with English just fine.

>>16609391

Just like in the second DoJG example they posted, you can. Replace 美味しい with 好き and it's just I like the steak (this other shit on the other hand…). The two particles most certainly are not used interchangeably though, as the posted images makes clear. が好き would just mean you like (the) steak and there's no implication about there being something you don't like, unlike with は.

>>16609457

As said, it comes with experience; it will click more and more as you see it in use over time in a variety of contexts and you've looked it up for the nth time. Just focus on getting to where you can start to read even at a lower-level and then go to town.

>>16609589

I'm hoping to learn enough from textbooks/reading to hold basic conversations and pick up some experience while I'm there.

>>16609620

Tokyo -> Takayama -> Kyoto/Osaka. Going to try and work a day in for Kawaguchiko and Oarai as well.

>Despite what some people say, you get by with English just fine.

I'm sure I could make it with just English, but I'd like to avoid using it if possible.

Is there a way to rip jisho.org's kanji drawings as a gif or something for anki cards?

>>16609155

Here's the way I see it (please correct me if I'm wrong)

>私はアメリカン人です

sounds like you're saying something like "I'm American" sort of as in a 'just letting you know' sort of way.

>私がアメリカン人です

sounds like you're saying somethling like "I'm the American" (say, in response to the question "Alright so who's the American?")

As for the steak case, が implies that the stake is delicious (possibly more than other foods). は implies it's delicious (as opposed to other foods).

I think in practice rules are not 100% clear cut. I'd consider getting the gist of things as more important and avoid getting bogged down by particular cases.

I'd advise you to not look too deeply into things and rely on example sentences you know are correct as a reference. You will eventually reach a point where you'll immediately feel something's off when there's a mistake (you know, like when a foreigner mistakenly says "Did you ever go to Europe?" and you know they obviously meant "Have you ever been to Europe?").

>>16609720

>Is there a way to rip jisho.org's kanji drawings as a gif

Do you really need animated stroke orders?

Have you tried the colorized stroke order diagram add-on for Anki? https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1964372878

There's also a stroke order true type font. you can find it on https://www.nihilist.org.uk/

>>16610118

>that the stake

that steak

>>16609155

が is always a part of the sentence. It marks the subject, but sometimes the subject is already known from context. In that case, が is dropped out of the sentence but don't forget that it's still there. It's just being implicitly used.

Here is an example sentence with every part explicitly stated:

「私は」（私が）アメリカ人だ

Literally: [As for me / Speaking of me] (I) am American.

「私は」is optional. A Japanese sentence doesn't need it to function properly.

「私が」is mandatory. It is a vital part of the sentence, because without it, there is no subject.

What about this then?:

アメリカ人だ

Literally: Is American.

Depending on the context (such as someone asking what nationality you are), you are able to drop 「私は」and 「私が」from the sentence.

You drop 「私は」from the sentence since it's not really needed and is optional, and you drop 「私が」because it was already implied you were the subject from the last sentence ("What nationality are you?").

>>16610937

Watch Cure Dolly's Japanese from scratch playlist for more detail on this. She covers pretty much everything you need to know to start reading.

Stroke order really isnt that important.

Not in the digital age.

But you should still learn it.

>>16609391

I think you can, it's just not very common that you would. I know the first noun can be either は or が. I don't know about the second noun but I would be surprised if it couldn't. The important thing with that kind of construction is that the nouns are in a specific order (usually something like [thing experiencing a feeling][thing causing a feeling][adjective]). As long as you maintain that, I think either one or neither of them can be the topic, and the ones that aren't topics use が.

>>16610937

I think you're right to say that a subject is (usually) a mandatory part of a sentence (though Japanese does have a few impersonal verbs that I don't believe take any syntactic subject), but I think it's wrong to say that the ~は clause and the ~が clause are different. The usual way to analyze this is that the noun is both the subject and the topic, and would be marked as ~がは (the same as what happens with ~には, ~では, etc), but then the が is omitted/elided/'covered up by the topic particle' if it is combined with any topic particle (the same thing is also said to happen with ~を). This way of thinking about it is preferred because it would be weird if a noun could be both an indirect object and a topic (~には) but not a topic at the same time as a subject or direct object, especially since subjects are almost always the default topic cross-linguistically.

>>16610118

>Do you really need animated stroke orders?

No. But I like the way it looks much more than the colorized stroke orders and the font.

>>16592451

Right, good points. For the time being I'll leave it as a thought.

Now playing Bloodstained as my new Japanese Learning game. Atelier Mururu is MUCH harder to read than Rorona and Totori, plus I wanted to do something else for a bit anyway. Bloodstained has all the criteria I need, full voices and manual-advance dialog. Jury is still out whether or not the game itself is good, but it's good enough to use as a study tool.

To the が/は discussion: I don´t know how much this helps other people, but I found helpful to think that が always marks the answer to either an open or just an implied question, while は just marks the generell topic of a conversation. Also が places more empasize on the subject, while は emphasizes the rest of the sentence.

>>16615038

Don't come back.

>>16615038

Leave

Are there any games that show a lot of Kanji even if you play them in English? The only game I know that did that was Yakuza 3.

>>16617364

Ar Tonelico series and FF7

>>16610952

>Stroke order really isnt that important.

>Not in the digital age.

Fuck off, caligraphy should be mandatory because it allows you not only to write clearly, but also builds discipline.

does anyone have the letter reply anon got back from Ted Kaczynski?

what's "x mo nanimo"? I only know of "x demo nandemo", and I didn't find the former in the grammar guide with a quick search

>>16618072

mo (も) is the inclusive particle.

nanimo (何も) could mean [nothing].

Without any context, it's hard to say what [nothing] means. Look at the previous sentence, maybe it's something like this:

[W is talking with X and Y]

W: What are you going to buy Y?

Y: nanimo

W: X mo nanimo?

In this context, W is asking X is he/she too will buy nothing. At least that's how I understand it.

>>16618331

ah sorry I should have elaborated.

I'm pretty sure it's some kind of fixed expression/grammar, and not just normal/core grammar

but I didn't save an example, so I'll have to post it the next time

>>16618072

>>16619262

Daijisen has どんなものでも as synonym, Daijirin 何もかも. Progressive JE has an example highlighting "and everything else" (positive) and Wisdom JE "(no X, no Y,) no nothing" (negative).

Weblio and Eijiro (ALC) have more examples, but you have to be careful with those. For example the one listing "or anything" is overly literal. That gives a very different impression in English, like you're using filler to avoid sounding exhaustive/specific, instead of in Japanese where that's trying to sound pretty certain about things.

I came upon something weird while browsing Nipnet.

「…ではかと」

Does that even make sense? How would you translate that into English?

Here's the full paragraph:

安定性を重視しているのでシステムを構成するパッケージは全体的に古めです。また、最近は日本語が扱えるディストロが増加したために、Vineを選択する必要性は減ってきており、ユーザーも減少傾向にあります。一方、バグ報告や質問、要望を日本語で開発陣に直接伝えられるというのは国産ディストロならではかと思います。

Source is http://note.kurodigi.com/linux-distro-2016/, scroll down to Vine Linux.

>>16628744

Eh, I split that wrong. It should've been 「ならでは　かと　思います。」

No such thing as 「ではかと」

Ignore that post.

>>16628744

ならでは is used to mean that something is applicable only to something. The かと思う in this sentence is pretty much just a somewhat less direct/firm と思う. He thinks that the prior statement is really only possible with a Japanese-made distro. Probably that otherwise they won't have to capacity to handle Japanese language feedback and such.

>>16619385

It's a lot like どころじゃない here. Nevermind our luck going sour, we've already hit luck's rock bottom, have we not? Whether it's the luck going rotten or anything else, it matters not because it already can't get any worse. For future reference, by the way, had you tried searching just 何も and you would have found information for it. Try variations of what might be something of a set expression, especially with these basic types of words, because sometimes dictionaries and stuff will give you a (…も何も…の形で) sort of entry.

>>16630086

Let me share the last lookup that actually fucked me up for the first time in years. The phrase: こんなのってないよ

I mean, web search got me the answer I needed (it's like "this is a no [from me]" or "this should not be" but that's too formal; and can be naturally interpreted as "no fair" or "this is awful/wrong/嫌!" depending on what's being complained about and how whiny the person is being; I went with something wordier that I kinda regret now, but OTOH it made it sad, which fit the mood).

But I didn't run across this usage in my usual references until later when I found similar meanings under それ and それは, and even then, not under the kokugo dictionaries, but in JE dictionaries (and databases).

I mean, I'd gone as far as checking こういう, そういう, and そんな the first time, but . So I hope this will save at least one of you some trouble. You never know how something is going to slip through the cracks, but do take the shotgun approach anyway.

>>16630954

That's not a set expression or anything, but I could see having some trouble ascertaining that meaning of ない from the entries of the dictionaries I usually use, although in all likelihood I would think the context should be pretty helpful in making up for that usually. On occasion I do find a word I wish they were a little more in-depth with. Japanese Wiktionary actually has some perfectly fine entries for it though. If you want to see ある used in mirror-fashion watch Lucky Star, あるある was practically something of a minor catchphrase of (anime) Tsukasa's as I remember and probably my first experience of ある・ない being used like that.

>>16617721

but jap strokes are autistic

Finished Hotel Dusk/Wish Room that anon recommended in a previous thread, it was bretty good. Melissa and Mila a cute.

>>16654477

The 常用漢字 are kanji are basically around 2100 common or useful characters that kids learn up through high-school (coupled with an extra few hundred 人名用漢字) that one is mostly expected to know for basic adult literacy. As such I don't believe you'll see something like government documents and such use anything more than that without the inclusion of furigana. Newspapers also follow that standard to my knowledge. It's not that they only use 2500 characters; they'll use any characters they deem necessary or otherwise, but will add furigana to non-jouyou characters to assist readability for the common man and that /2500 is just a frequency gauge. Note that it's not some standard character set for publishing or anything though, you will see plenty of 表外漢字 be used without any sort of reading aid in entertainment and more unless the demographic is younger people or something and they aim to make it more readable to them.

萌えゲとアニメに飽きちゃった

Ｊ-ドラマに挑戦したい

日本語字幕をどこにダウン出来るの？

>>16656726

>どこに

どこで*

分かった

直してもらって感謝する

ともかく、字幕をでこでダウン出来るの？

>>16656773

さあな

goddamn I can't get the crack version of zero escape: the nonary games to switch to jp subtitles, and I don't want to play the inferior (ds) version, and haven't found anything else that I'd like and I haven't read shit for 3-4 days so I need to get started soon. What do?

Can't someone pls just tell me they got it to work (in Japanese) on pc and if so, how?

What's the point of learning moonspeak if you don't use it to meme on Japanese imgboards to further immunize them against diversity.

They're already tearing down the gates and weakening the resistance Japan has with its natural xenophobia.

Japan will eventually be destroyed like everywhere else that had been poz'd and Japanese will likely be abandoned by the invaders.

Remember the goal of these people is to destroy all the nice places in the world until we're all living in 3rd world squalor.

>>16657762

Just buy it? How is the DS version inferior?

>>16657766

dubdubs is correct, but then again muh delicious brown waifus.

>>16657766

>What's the point of learning moonspeak if you don't use it to meme on Japanese imgboards to further immunize them against diversity.

You must be an illiterate dumbass weeb to actually believe this. Anyone who has spent more than 10 minutes in Futaba or even 5ch knows that the Japs hates filthy gaijin with passion but won't do shit about it. They'd just post pictures of people they accuse of being mixed race and race traitors in their politics generals thread and start shrieking チョン en masse.

切腹しろ

>>16667266

>Japs

*Anonymous Japs

>>16668406

Is it 雛壇? The context is the same, I am on a doll stage, but fuck is that kanji blurry as fuck and I thought it contained radicals like 金

>>16668545

Looks like it, then the other word would be 雛人形 which also seems to make sense. Kanji + small text is a nightmare.

>儀式を行わざる時は。。。

What does the -azaru morpheme mean? Does it mean negation? Like 行かぬ・行かず？I get confused by these classical Japanese morphemes.

>でもってー、隙あらば秘密工作しちゃうもんねー

There's this line from Neptune where my non-existing japanese skills completely fall apart (look at the embed around 8:38 for context).

The end of the sentence means something like "secret operation let's do", but what is that 隙あらば piece supposed to mean?

>>16668909

Just think 隙があれば. If there's an opportunity; if they present an opening. Neptune is saying sabotaging their efforts to build a new factory, given the chance.

>>16668880

Yeah, it means to not do the verb. You see it with ～ざるを得ない sometimes to mean the action can't be helped/must be done.

I know you guys hate people talking about it but is the djt thread on 4/int/ being shoah'd right now? I got banned for "replying to off-topic shit" after replying to it, and it seems to constantly be down.

>>16515065

Use a vpn on Netflix and set it to Japan works for me

>>16668938

The 隙 word has readings すき、げき、ひま、すきけ according to jisho (and according to rikaicake 隙があれば is すきがあれば), yet all I can hear is きやらば.

Does this mean that 秘密工作 can also mean sabotage? Because I thought it means something like "secret work". But 工作員 is spy, so who knows what this combination means.

>>16669097

It's すき you're just hearing it wrong. 99% of the time you see that character used alone, it's すき. 工作 itself can be used essentially to refer to taking some sort of preliminary action in order to accomplish a goal, typically (not always) in a crafty, manipulative fashion. Note the similarity of how "craft" is used across the two languages. You can also look at (II.) here for a slightly better idea maybe.

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/en/工作/#je-24111