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IIRC you could complete ff8 at 2nd level somehow and bosses power scaled with your level a bit so everything was very easy once you knew how to pull that run off.

I love the hobo phase as well but to me the appeal has always been the struggle of rising from dirt where everyone is able to overpower you but you still overcome it your challenges with guile and skill.

Then when you start improving your character every little bit is very noticeable and your choices truly matter.

I don't find enjoyment out of purposefully gimping myself unless for a in-game benefit. Like playing through Gothic 2 and doing all the entry quests as a guildless before joining one and killing every single monster in chapter 1/2 before going to the mines to increase respawns.

Or playing through Souls games at a low SL for twinking purposes.

>>16481048

>I love the hobo phase

Do you think this would translate well to reality if you ever became a hobo? Would you be able to overcome being a hobo?

>>16480928

>Hard mode: something other than Dark Souls.

Souls games are the only ones I can think of where the game is balanced around being able to be completed at SL1 with stats existing to allow players to modulate the difficulty to fit their level of proficiency.

>>16480999

That just sounds like shitty oblivion-tier level scaling to me, where any levels spent in non-combat stats are directly gimping you as everything continually scales with the player, eventually necessitating things like abusing the debuff stacking enchant mechanic being the only way you can deal decent damage to disgusting damage sponges.

>>16481018

Random encounters in 8 scaled to your level and also rewarded XP (unlike boss fights), so fighting them would be making you proportionately weaker with how stat junctions worked. You'd play enough triple triad at the start and convert the cards into 99x stacks of strong spells like tornado, junction them to your health/strength, get encounter-none for no random encounters, and just blow through the game. So it's less a case of the player being punished for allocating stats, and more that you were punished for obtaining experience, so it's in your best interest to go out of your way to make sure that never happens.

>>16481048

I guess you need context to explain why your stat points are left unspent. Nowadays it would be linked to an achievement, but one can always come up with a special ending requirement.

>>16481170

'Benefit' as in games becoming more fun, not necessarily making you more proficient - like a low level twink gai ing 99% dodge.

>>16481176

I think any rpg where the game becomes less fun if you engage in the core mechanic of player progression is probably a shit game.

>>16481147

Being a hobo ain't so bad if you're not a lazy ass motherfucker. Find an abandoned building/sewer/mine/metro/hole in the ground and settle. You can scavenge junk-yards and dumping grounds for furniture and other useful things. Sucker-punch drug dealers and take their stuff. Buy seeds and start a small farm. Eat in soup kitchens and social gatherings, buy clothes from fleamarkets and thrift stores. Film yourself doing mundane things and get patreon bux for it.

>>16481170

>level scaling

I should've been more clear; the game plays like a normal dungeon crawler where the deeper you go the harder the enemies become no matter what powerlevel the player is. Everything is fixed when you enter a level. It's only when the player becomes unreasonably strong does the game decide to throw powerhouse enemies and legendary monsters. But you would only trigger this by cheating or cheesing, which is really easy to do. But all of this doesn't matter since your problem will be the RNG. Get the latest build from github and try it out for an hour.

>damage sponges

I hate this in games too. It's annoying in genres that shouldn't have this like FPS, but it really becomes an issue in RPGs. IVAN doesn't have this tho. You will cleave most monsters apart in one hit, until you get to the Ennerbeast.****

>>16481213

Not necessarily, you probably never considered it because you're still in the normalfag mindset that bigger numbers equals gratification.

A qualitative change in the amount of skills you can use, and their combined effect, makes for a more complex and enjoyable progression than simply raising stats. Case in point: ultimately even SMT can be facerolled with minmaxing strength builds, or outright fastforwarding fights because your basic attack has become that powerful.

>>16481278

Feel free to post some examples.

In the last remnant, you don't level up from experience, the enemies do. Stat gains are only really obtained from long, hard won fights. Therefore, grinding is punished, but hunting down bosses that are much more powerful than you and will probably kill you is rewarded.

The last boss also increases in rank depending on how many sidequests you feel like completing during your run.

It's not exactly what you're looking for but it's a good game, and also an extremely autistic one. Squenix stopped selling the PC version because, you know, they're squenix, but you can still pirate it probably.

>>16481480

>Squenix stopped selling the PC version because, you know, they're squenix

Because they announced a remaster. That's the "in" thing to do these days. Disable sales of a game and then announce a remaster you intend on selling for full price. Dark Souls 1, Warcraft 3, The Last Remnant. Expect to see this behavior to become exceedingly popular when next gen consoles hit.

Sekiro

Neverwinter Nights actually becomes fun if you just stick with a solo rogue. Forces you to actually think a little bit.

>Yakuza suffer a lot from overleveling

You're completely missing the point. The whole idea is that you start out as a low level pleb and slowly work your way up to become the Dragon of Dojima.

Heh, I remember how in some HOMM3 campaigns you were actually forced to fight your hero from the previous missions that you painstakingly leveled up and ensured he has got the best skills and spells.

>>16481533

>Because they announced a remaster. That's the "in" thing to do these days.

It's one of the least risky gambles in the modern market. As the economy continues to collapse for everyone who isn't rich, AAA game companies will become even more risk averse and more unwilling to experiment with new kinds of games. They'll keep showing interesting tech demos, but then massively under-deliver on all the innovative stuff, sticking with the same old proven formulas for everything.

>>16481170

To FF8's credit, while monsters had stat scaling, the amounts would change at level 20 and 30, and they could gain additional techniques, too.

>>16481216

There really ought to be a hobo sim game, like a survival simulator

>>16481541

Don't rationalize overleveling for fine storycrafting.