/v/ - Video Games

I've heard Factorio is pretty good

>>16470718

OpenTTD and Railroad Tycoon 2.

>>16470718

The one thing that always upsets me is that these types of games rarely justify the need for industrialization.

The whole point of having an automated solution that easily takes raw components and makes something more complex, sending it somewhere for storage automatically is that you can scale it massively or let it run 24/7 and end up with a metric fuckton of whatever you are producing. This means not just bigger supply to meet demand but also cheaper products all around.

However in most of these games there's no decent sink for these resources. You can end up with a warehouse or equivalent full of everything you might need, replenished in a manner of seconds if you ever withdraw anything, but you're still the only guy using that.

There's no large population that needs all those products and uses them automatically in a smart manner to evolve their side, there is no market to game and try to outproduce the competition, with a lower cost per piece than they offer, etc.

Factorio kinda solves this with the science kits, weapons and ammo, but the first is not a satisfying way to do it while the weapons and ammo are not that important or require such a massive factory either.

Outworld Trading Company does the whole mercantile aspect of it very well, but there's no production development or optimization of industry there at all.

Even most Minecraft mods that can assist with automation rarely make it necessary to do so except by including obtuse blocks and items that cost a ridiculous amount of time and resources to produce for the express purpose of justifying it all.

Victoria 2

Endless Legend

>>16474754

Crashing the economy shouldn't be this fucking funny in Victoria II but you can literally crush most of the AI nations by hoarding the world supplies of beer

>>16473601

Multiplayer OpenTTD tickles my autism in a nice and satisfying way, even though I know jack shit about optimization.

>make random transport connection between 2 random places

>money starts rolling in

What's the point of OpenTTD? On a scale of 1 to 10, how autistic do I need to be to find this interesting?

>>16474274

The thing is, any singleplayer game is going to be only creating items for you: the single player. There's never a real-world reason to be creating things on an industrial scale for a very small population, especially a population of one. In a video game, this is going to be the same thing. Your Factorio example is excellent, because you end up doing shit like compressing literal TONS of iron and copper into itself over and over again to produce a single electronic component. It's simply avoiding the issue.

At least in multiplayer Minecraft on a populated server, this can be solved because there are many different people that require those resources, several of whom need industrial-scale amounts because they are using them to build their own industrial-scale things. It's a self-perpetrating system. But to give an example of why this doesn't work for singleplayer: in my last Minecraft world, I built a mob farm based on an Ilmango design. Had no idea how well it would perform, so ran a test AFKing it for an hour. Well, I found out that it had produced so many drops (for example, over a double-chest of gunpowder and I only need it for firework rockets for the elytra) that I will probably never have to run the farm again. I spent all this time essentially building a giant factory, only to use it once and then shut it down forever. I may as well demolish it to get those building resources back.

You're basically asking why one dude living alone in a world needs to build a factory farm with tractors and combines and industrial grain processing plants and shopping centers to sell cornmeal, and the answer is: he doesn't. He never will. He can just till a small garden and that's enough to feed him for his lifetime.

I not only cannot think of a game where it makes sense to have an absurd level of production for a singleplayer experience; I can't even really imagine one. It just makes no realistic sense.

>>16490991

>On a scale of 1 to 10, how autistic do I need to be to find this interesting?

9. It's a spreadsheet simulator with a minimal GUI over it.

>>16491025

You misunderstood what I said.

I'm well aware of the problem, that in single-player you often have no need for mass production of whatever you're making a factory for. That is indeed the problem I was pointing to.

What I was hoping for was that eventually an extra gameplay element is added where you can actually sink all those resources you're producing industrial amounts of.

Factorio with it's science kits is the most simple example, but I've seen Minecraft mods where you have to feed an NPC village and keep it stocked as well, or export your goods to gain credit so you can import something else you can't produce.

All I'm saying is, we have the supply, now we just need games that implement the demand as well.

>>16491067

There are some new far more advanced skyblock modpacks for minecraft that do this. You still start on the ole tree and mudball in the sky but there are tons of variants like "start with one chicken and a alchemy tablet to EMC your way to everything" but some of the more interesting ones have terraforming and chunk building machines so you are literally building a world and as you do you build towns that require food sources and stuff. Its not gods gift to videogames but in terms of satisfying supply and demand its great and not another top down god cam game but you get to walk around and tinker yourself which i prefer.

>>16491188

didn't the author of this add trans elves or something to virtue signal?

>>16491379

There are gay animals too

>>16491379

>>16491188

>>16492157

He added sexual orientation, and instead of having it model real world numbers like 2% of 2% he had it model clown world numbers something like 1 in 10, or more. As a consequence, you'd often need migrants to prop up your breeding population so it didn't stagnate so much early on (which is kind of ironic given the current year). And yeah, it applied to animals, too. He toned the amount down slightly so it's not as intrusive, but it's still not completely accurate. I have no desire to play DF given that it's aged poorly and Toady has done little to optimize and clean up the game, and even time I go to play it, I remember what a slog it becomes at >20 Dwarves. I'd rather just play Factorio

>>16492191

>(which is kind of ironic given the current year)

Coincidental

>>16491379

It might be packaged into the Villains update, which is the final free DF update you can expect then the Big Wait which is essentially toady deing a new overhaul with the Magic Update the most coveted feature his fans want.

>>16492233

I wouldn't blame Toady, but I would still blame him.

It's not like he's part of a grand conspiracy to undermine Israel's host nation. However, given the number of goons that play DF, it's absolutely their fault for influencing him. I think he's just an idiot that went along for the ride, for the worst

>>16492270

He's autistic and naturally vulnerable to their exact MO of pretending to be a huge group and applying social pressure. On the other hand though, he should know better.

>>16492258

As an ex-gay, I can confirm this. I got memed into being a faggot. Thank God I got out of it.

>>16493552

>Ex-gay

No such thing. You can't unsuck that dick.

>>16493554

But I have gf. And she doesn't even have a penis!

>>16470877

Factorio is pretty good, and with mods you can add an amazing amount of complexity (though the basic game is still really good, my first save took me 60 hours or so to launch my first rocket, and then you can go crazy into megabase territory)

>>16470911

Just started playing this. It's amazing, I'm honestly shocked it isn't discussed more considering how much support it still has. Is there a /v/ server?

>>16493647

OpenTTD interest comes and goes on a span of years.

I used to host games all the time and have been thinking of getting them going again lately, but I'd frankly never do it for this board in its current state, and /vg/ is nearly just as disappointing.