/v/ - Video Games

>>16459761

Aren't MMOs doomed in the long run because those who played them like they use to play like have to much a life to grind?

>>16459781

>wow did kill MMOs

I can name for you 10 MMOs that aren't WoW that are running right now, how can WoW have killed a genre that's not dead? Just cause you don't look at your options doesn't mean you have none, shitface.

Are there any MUDs currently active or worth getting into? I never actually played one back in the day.

>>16459771

>It's just like the Quake III bots all over again.

If you're referring to the quake 3 bots that learnt not to kill each other, that's a confirmed fake.

MMOs are the most jewish games ever created

FF11 still getting updates gives me hope

Ill tell you what killed EQ1, having been there at its start and through its downfall. Its not as if the endless hand-over-fist grind gameplay which never existed before EQ in any game wasnt enough to put it down (it actually made evercrack addicts)….it wasnt having to chase down your corpse naked as if having all your armor helped prevent death in the first place, or that if you died again you lost EVERYTHING…..it was not the shitty censorship that would mean you would loose thousands of hours of investment bc some stupid faggot reported you for saying a bad word, or the shitty graphics upgrade which killed all the charm of the original game….

No it was the shit-tier mechanics which meant you had to be in a lame ass guild to get past level 40. It was that even at level 40 you would still be wearing lvl 10 armor because there was no fucking loot unless you sucked guild cock. IMO it was the luclin expansion that made the world so fucking big you no longer had enough people to occupy it across all the servers and they moved the fucking main market which was the commons tunnel for darkies or the (queynos?) woods for lighties, to some bullshit place called the nexus, so now this world which was occupied by thousands of people wherever you went now appeared fucking empty everywhere you went. Good luck finding a group.

By then WoW was already eating EQ's lunch with zoneless worlds and real loot and upgraded graphics for all the norm faggots who need to smooth polygons to feel immersed.

You can still find a 1000 people playing 1999 timemachine version of EQ1 on indy servers, complete with faggot censorship and pointless grinding.

>>16460184

Why was early WoW the only game that actually did the MMO genre right? It was the only MMO that actually felt like an organic living world.

>>16460191

Tell me in this day and age someone who has the free time for MMOs is going to spend it on themepark-levels of shitcontent rather than playing some PvP game instead for their multiplayer games. You can see this most clearly in current Runescape, even OSRS. Everyone's pretty much playing an offline RPG and no one even wants to interact with others anymore to the point that when you're forced to(that one quest in Varrock, Dungeoneering, minigames) it was easily one of the more fun parts of post wildy Runescape. Hell, a big reason why Albion Online was received so poorly is because it's a heavily PvP focused MMO and shits heavily on solo players. Albion Online is unfortunately a shit unfun grindfest and getting to the PvP is going to take you a decade of grinding.

Kike Overlord, just make a cyclical thread of

>Did WoW kill MMORPGs for the umpteenth time?

>>16459707

This >>16459761

The moment that anything becomes mainstream is the moment that it starts to die.

>tl;dw

Yes, since every mmo tried to copy wow, instead of being it's own unique game, and every journalist compared each mmo to how much they are like wow and how much they aren't like wow

>>16459783

Try naming 10, no, even 5 MMOs that are running right now but are NOT exactly like WoW.

>>16459761

>t. first console was a Playstation

>>16459799

>Are there any MUDs currently active or worth getting into

Revenge of the End of the Line has been online since 1989. It's a pk mud originally based on LPmud and since migrated to LDmud.

telnet eotl.org 2010

>>16460495

Fallen Earth

Eve Online

Runescape

Maple story

Guild wars

if you asked me to name good ones, I would’ve been fucked

>>16460617

>Fallen Earth

wait what, that's still running?

>>16460495

any mmo that's not a themepark with tab-targeting.

>>16460627

Could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure. I beta tested it. What a shit show.

Was MMORPG ever a good genre?

>>16460952

everquest and FFXI were probably the only good MMOs. and they weren't exactly quality games, they were novelty at the time but then you run out of content and you get bored. not sure about EVE though.

truth is, no matter the game, good or bad, you can't play it forever. you will eventually get bored. specially if its receiving constant updates. it only takes one bad update to ruin the game forever. look at runescape.

>>16460191

WoW did a good job of it's themepark, only by manipulating the draw distance or flying mounts would reveal how lifeless it is.

>>16459707

DDO is still running and they are even releasing a new expansion

Don't buy anything but the expansion and grind the content packs through ingame currency (not that hard)

>>16461877

also, the expansions go 85% off every six months or some shit

>>16460952

Well the appeal was basic escapism but the idea was that it was more personalized.

A lot of people, and I really mean a lot of people would use these games to kind of live a second life. It was kind of an equalizer in a certain way were if you were ugly or you lived a shit life you could have another one on an even playing field. Getting a promotion didn’t depend on nepotistim like being a boss’s Jewish son in law., it meant defeating a boss in the game.

There were also a surprising amount of girls would would enjoy role playing in a fantasy setting. Some people would also enjoy mundane tasks like fishing and such. As long as the presentation was pleasant enough.

It was ultimately about people traveling to another world and finding a new niche. I think WOW, back when professions still mattered, fulfilled that need. Has parts that are mundane but is still fantasy so it’s not completely boring. And then it had the challenging aspects for the players who wanted to invest more time in the game.

All along the way you could (sort of) make your character unique. Rogues would be rogue-like wizards would do wizard shit.

Everyone had their role, and if you worked hard enough you could become someone important.Maybe in a guild, maybe get some internet fame, or maybe you could just live the simple life.

Now everything is just a faggot tier skinner box fashion show. Blizzard might as well cut to the chase and make azeroth one big strip walk fashion show for mounts, just like Fortnite might as well turn their island into a giant strip walk fashion show. Just like TF2 might as well turn 2Fort into a giant strip walk fashion show.

It’s all faggots consumed by vanity who will pay hundreds to paint themselves in digital clown makeup.

>>16462137

>If the only definable game of an entire genre is World of Warcraft

>if something completely fucking retarded that only a brain damaged 12 year old would say

You're a retard.

>>16462242

yes but evreyone in WoW looked the same, just the same set of armor with a different pattern.

>>16462184

assmad cucks proving his point tbh, it's shit and you are also shit

how's that activision cock taste btw?

>>16462198

I think the closest thing to what you want is maple story or runescape. Neither of those are stellar games. Good I their own right I guess. The trouble with the whole winding down in a tavern thing is it basically relies on having people volunteer to waste their time and treat the game like a chat room. Unless you’re going for an RP thing or just game with friends casually. It’s just not the mentality the average MMO player has these days. They just play as hard as they can chasing that skinners box reward and don’t stop for a second at the theme park food court, except maybe to trade.

>>16461000

>Sad meatball on a fork talking to wiry pistachio.png

>>16462973

most of those are exactly like WoW you dummy

>>16463017

>games where you can create your own class

>exactly like WoW

>games that predated WoW

>"exactly like WoW"

Really pumping up the baka, aren't ya? If your definition of "game that's just like WoW" is "run here, then engage in combat" then sure, strip away all the fundamentals of the games and ignore them for the most simplistic comparison. But that's wrong.

Rift allows you to change classes, and has very different class dynamics.

City of Heroes lets you build your own superhero using combinations of powers, including extraneous powers you can select from power pools. It also predated WoW.

Everquest predated WoW, and WoW tried to replicate Everquest. However that's only the combat, and the faction system for Everquest is something unique that's never been replicated. You ought actually research this if you want to argue this point.

EVE Online and Elite Dangerous are both space games.

Final Fantasy XIV has level scaling, allows you to change classes on the fly, and allows you to mix and match skills and abilities from your classes. It also has a prestige class system, which WoW WANTED to implement but never managed to.

Guild Wars 2's mechanics are so different from WoW that only a retard would say they're "the same."

Anarchy Online is a cyberpunk dystopian first-person shooter that predates WoW.

Legend of Darkness is a player driven political and religion MMO with so many things that are unique to the game alone that I won't even try to explain it.

PokeMMO is literally Pokemon.

Champions Online has a freeform hero building system that lets you build your ideal character using virtually any combination of abilities and even playstyles.

Conquest Online is a Diablo-style MMO.

Path of Exiles is too.

Vanguard (which is what I meant to say) is a PvP focused MMO that concentrates on largescale field combat instead of raids and single target fighting. Can also be linked with Lineage 2.

Warhammer 40k is 40K.

Final Fantasy XI predates WoW, has many classes including prestige classes, and is the very first console MMO. Is the first MMO to offer full controller support, and focuses on Final Fantasy boss fight combat, which means that it focuses on group combat and long play encounters. Comparable to a Persona game.

DaoC might be a valid comparison to WoW.

Runescape .. need I say more?

Ultima Online is one of the oldest MMOs mentioned on the list, and is most definitely not "exactly like WoW"

DC Universe Online and Black Desert (which I had considered mentioning) both have skill-based combat which doesn't rely on auto attacks, players can't just set the game to battle mode and walk away, every fight is controlled by the player using the mouse buttons and their skills using the numeral keys. Not like WoW at all.

>>16463058

PoE isnt even an MMO. thats like saying diablo 2 is an MMO.

>>16463080

Alright, sure, we'll strike PoE out. So that's 19 games.

>>16463083

19 games that are either dead or WoW with slight alteration, wow great job.

>inb4 cherrypicking the one or two games that are actually different and claiming they're all different

>>16462137

>>16462381

Are you both actually retards? He's not defending wow or blizzard. He's defending the early days of the MMO genre. Which were glorious. You're defining the genre by using the most basic, sterile, soulless game to ever enter the market, while he's defining it with games that had character, that had life. He's calling you underage because your dumb asses only ever heard of world of warcraft and are too ignorant and uninterested to actually do any research.

>>16460184

dude what if we just made a game about having a lot of people wasting their time watching numbers go up

and we make them pay monthly for it

>>16463558

>EvErY GaMe Is LiKe WoW, EvEn GaMeS ThAt pReDaTe iT!

Whatever you say, retard.

>>16460649

dunno, felt like a typical non-aaa mmo trying sth different but was released 6 months too early.

so basically the story of most MMOs…

With the death of MMO's does this mean virtual game isekai futures have been safely averted?

>>16463550

I never actually realized those two images were related until now

MMOs are addictive waste of time. Been playing FF14 for 2 years and I'm addicted and my brain is so used to the braindead content that playing actual singleplayer games and having to use my brain makes me tired. Should have never started playing an mmo.

>>16466527

>Think GW is anything like WoW

Did your mother drink a lot?

>>16459761

Every hobby will get ruined by megacorps

Our jewish overlords cant stand us actually having fun

Someone pick for me which race/class for Everquest/p99. These are the race-class combinations I'm interested in:

>dark elf shadow knight

>iksar shadow knight

>high elf paladin

>wood elf ranger

Also considered halfling rogue since they get an xp leveling boost but they're not very appealing to me lore-wise or aesthetically.

>>16468990

https://wiki.project1999.com/Loraen's_Class_Selection_Guide

this is a good chart

pick something with high numbers in either solo or duo/trio

raid value isn't relevant because you probably won't get that far and if you do you won't want to be a part of the raiding scene

>>16469875

>if you do you won't want to be a part of the raiding scene

is the barrier for entry too high for noobs?

>>16469882

all the largest guilds camp every spawn that has decent drops, and if you want to be in one of those guilds you need like 90% raid attendance and to be able to camp with them for hours on end

unless you're a neet it isn't worth it

raids not being instanced is a cool idea but it doesn't work in P99 and they've done nothing to try and fix it

>>16469856

Do not play rogue if you ever plan on soloing, it will be the most painful experience of your life

forgot my P99 login info and the SMS pass recovery system doesn't seem to work

anyone wanna level a new character with me?

>>16466032

If you don't like raiding, don't fucking raid. Raiding never should've become the goal of an mmo, it should've been left alone for the retards who are willing to shit in their socks. This is why you don't get the early MMOs. Raiding meant nothing. The people doing them in EQ and prior were complete fuck ups.

And then they fucking retards who were into EQ raiding got their hands on the next generation of MMOs and fucked the entire genre. MMOs weren't about racing to endgame for better loot. They were worlds, with real people to fuck with.

>>16468990

tried hard to get back into EQ with P99 but it was too true to how EQ was; bards killing entire fucking zones at a time in twink gear.

>>16477215

Yeah I've given up on playing Everquest until p99 green server comes out. Never played FFXI before but it looks fun.

>>16466032

UO>EQ