e14e29 No.16455531
I didn't keep up with the progress on it's development and thought the wait was gonna be longer but this is a nice surprise. apparently owning the original on steam gives you 10% off the game which can stack with the preorder discount.
749374 No.16455540
585bc6 No.16455552
>CY+3
>game looks good
What's the catch?
ef2d4e No.16455554
>>16455531
The original is one of my absolute favorite games, but like all games, pre-ordering is for fucking suckers. Don't fall for this meme.
e14e29 No.16455605
>>16455552
I guess the catch is that last I heard of the remake is that it's being worked on by the original devs, though I guess that phrase isn't usually comforting. Looking past the title, it's supposed to be a remake of the first one with a better translation. there was also a Kickstarter goal reached that said there's be 'lucid dream' sections, irrc. Not sure if they're still doing that, as per >>16455566
4ebbac No.16455636
I never kicked in for the KS so I got the edition with the artbook and soundtrack to compensate. I'm quite nervous to see how drastically they altered the game after the middling response to Classic HD, but still confident in my #1 studio to pull off their dream game. Haven't been posting in these threads at all since The Marble Nest to avoid spoilers.
>Similar to games you've played:
>2.4 hrs on record
You've beaten the original then, right OP? I can put it on the vola if anybody wants it.
>>16455566
Surely the other two episodes aren't going to be equally priced, though, that doesn't seem like an IPL move at all.
7dc286 No.16455805
>>16455636
I've been considering playing this for many years now but never got around to it. Can you explain what versions of the game there are? I thought there was the original, the original but with an unfucked translation, and a remake. Now after some posts in this thread I'm confused. Is that right? What is each version of the game called? Personally, I just want the original game, no new content and no remake bullshit, but if there's the original with a fixed translation that'd be best.
cec732 No.16455818
>>16455805
That would be Classic HD. Supposedly they just replaced some of the textures, retranslated the script, redid the voice acting, and made it run on anything newer than Vista.
4ebbac No.16455820
>>16455805
>Can you explain what versions of the game there are? I thought there was the original, the original but with an unfucked translation, and a remake. Now after some posts in this thread I'm confused. Is that right?
Yes, you're right. There's
>Pathologic (2005) - the original survival adventure arthouse masterpiece made by amateurs on a shoestring budget, English translation may as well have been done by machine (and probably was at the end), can run into some crashes on modern systems
>Pathologic Classic HD (2015) - an updated port of the 2005 game with a completely redone in-house translation, better stability on modern systems, support for higher resolutions and framerates, etc.
>Pathologic 2 (2019) - a full remake of the game with an entirely new script and reconsidered mechanics, supposedly faithful to the design principles of the original but who knows
Couldn't speak to any differences between the original release of Мор. Утопия and the one we got in the west, but I'm guessing it's miniscule since they were released so close to each other. You're probably best with Classic HD based on your post, there are a few niggles with the new translation but it's undoubtedly a net positive. If you really want that authentic experience, there used to be a mod for the 2005 version that updated the resolution and textures to be pretty close to the way Classic HD ended up.
7dc286 No.16455945
>>16455818
>>16455820
Thanks. I don't mind resolution or textures either way, so is the new translation worth it? I heard the old one was pretty cryptic, being machine translation tier. What are the "few niggles"? Anything important? Because it sounds like Classic HD would indeed be the way to go.
4ebbac No.16455983
>>16455945
>What are the "few niggles"?
The new translator changed the names of a few characters and locations in ways I didn't completely agree with (like Ospina becoming "Aspity", Mishka becoming "Murky", the adherents becoming the "bound"). I've read her translation notes and there were at least some well-considered reasons behind the changes, but still, I prefer the original in those cases, and there are at least two scenes I felt were more impactful in the original translation.
That said it's pretty hard to overstate how truly awful the original translation was, the new one at least seems like it was done by someone who was fluent in English. For years everyone was calling one character the Haruspicus instead of the Haruspex because they just spelled it phonetically, there are plenty of weird things like that.
cec732 No.16456033
>>16455945
There's some strange phrasing in places, and it can obscure in a completely different way than the game is supposed to be. However it's at least comprehensible once you start getting the bigger picture of what the story is and how it's playing out. The other one may as well have not been translated in parts for how bad it was. The game is absolutely worth at least checking out
f662b7 No.16456083
>>16455531
The sandbox plague is the stupidest fucking asspull ending I've ever seen after that long working towards something that wasn't a gay ass "gotcha" artsy fartsy faggot ending.
The game was 3/10 sorta interesting if not even vaguely fun and obtuse as shit only to become insanely easy once you actually understand the hobonomics mechanics but jesus christ the ending is the dumbest shit ever. After like an eternity of effort to get there you just get a "lol nerd who cares lol" ending.
120c62 No.16456904
Well, I will not be ashamed to say I backed the game to a significant degree, the first game deserved that much money so even if this one is complete trash, which is doubtful, I'll still be satisfied. I just hope I can find the motivation to tackle and be immersed in such a beast again.
>>16456083
t. Didn't get the true ending.
f02288 No.16456918
>>16455531
I spent $200 on backer shit, I wonder when I will get my stuff.
441868 No.16456932
>>16455636
>Surely the other two episodes aren't going to be equally priced, though, that doesn't seem like an IPL move at all.
They forced people to buy the fixed translation for the first game.
f02288 No.16456946
>>16455552
Well the game comes out in 2 weeks and I still haven't had any updates on when I'm getting my stuff.
There's no GOG version and no info about a DRM free version, possibly because they went with a meme publisher.
The games optimization is horrendous, even though art direction is legitimately good.
The game is being published by a meme publisher so Ice Pick Lodge will more than likely never achieve the success they deserve with Pathologic 2.
The game is buggy as all fuck.
3349ab No.16456964
>>16456904
Spoiler for ending: **The game's true ending isn't learning that the entire story was just some kids playing make-believe?
3349ab No.16456966
8a89ac No.16456984
>bought the first one almost right after release
>was surrealistic, but cool, the plot twists were kind of amazing, including the final one the sandbox
>for some reason, backed up P2 on the announcement day
>during the first few updates, remembered that I know the game's plot by heart
>gradually stopped caring about it
>5 years later, still not done
>no interest at this point
*shrug*
120c62 No.16457141
>>16456964
No, that's just the standard ending. True ending unlocks when you cure all the bound in Town, including your rivals'.
After the sandlot ending, you get transported to a theater and you have a conversation with an executioner. In essence it's commenting on the sandlot ending and all characters being puppets. Then he pulls a meta and adresses you directly as the player.
He asks why you made the choices you did in-game. For the hell of it, or because you really played as your character and chose on the basis of what would make sense and what would be the best option for the Town.
If you answer "Yes, I am the Bachelor/Haruspex/Changeling", then he says this entire theater business is all bullshit. If it was real to you, then it was real period. The two dorky kids can pretend it was all theirs, but their claim is meaningless.
I mean, sure, it qualifies as artsy-fartsy too, but it completely overturns the entire "gotcha" ending anon was complaining about, to the point of totally agreeing with him.
d88e52 No.16457156
>>16456964
the void's ending is a fucking poem and it's still a great game
b19fde No.16457179
>>16457156
The whole game is based on some obscure russian poem.
bc74dd No.16457205
>>16455552
>The developer went with a publisher whose most notable accomplishment beforehand was getting half the people who'd pre-ordered that publisher's initial flagship game to cancel their pre-orders. Pic related.
>The game we're talking about is a remake of a game from 2005, but said publisher has made the developers pretend that it's actually a sequel to said game from 2005. Everyone I've talked to in person about the game since then has said to me some variation of "it sounds interesting, but I can't play the sequel without playing the original first so I think I'm going to pass."
>The game is being released in Early Access.
>Once the game leaves Early Access, they're going to change publisher.
>The publisher they're going to change to is Gearbox.
Why, Ice Pick Lodge, why? All you had to do was look up the names of either of the publishers you've signed your contracts with and you would have seen that you were walking into a trap not just once but twice in a row.
4ebbac No.16457450
>>16456932
Right but there's a difference between charging $15 for a fresh translation a decade after the fact (and after a few fan projects tried and failed to fix it themselves) and charging $105+ for their new game.
7c35ef No.16457492
>>16457205
>gearbox
Please be joking.
cec732 No.16457525
>>16457492
Unfortunately not. They're just handling the physical release, but it's almost exciting to see how they'll manage to fuck it up.
http://archive.fo/IXgLC
7c35ef No.16457529
>>16457525
>pathologic
>on consoles
>specifically on xbox
I honestly wonder who made the decision and thought it was a good idea. I'm thinking it's Randy so the game tanks and they can buy out the devs.
bcc878 No.16457537
>>16455945
I always felt the original screwed up translation added to the game's atmosphere.
b19fde No.16457541
>>16457525
Tuck me in. Let me die.
120c62 No.16457542
>>16457493
If you genuinely think Pathologic is a big release you don't belong anywhere near here.
120c62 No.16458674
>>16457941
It's not a manner of quoting, your post only makes sense if you think this game is a major release worth multiple marketing agencies go to a near-blacklisted imageboard to shill. Or if you are fucking retarded, that works too.
a4be4c No.16458693
>>16458674
Most of the people here don't even know what the word shill means.
936c1b No.16460679
>>16455531
Is it a remake or a sequel? was confusing when they revealed it was a remake then they said it was now a sequel.
f37b6f No.16460731
>>16455531
Hold the fuck up
>Parthologic 2
2
I thought they were making a remaster, not a fucking sequel?
26aa1d No.16460733
I tried the first game a few months back; I wandered about for like 2 hours read all the dialogues and was bored from start to end so I quit and uninstalled. There was no fucking action whatsoever, the town looked and felt flat as shit, and I didn't know what to do for the most part aside from "go here, talk to guy; go there, talk to other guy". Morrowind is 10 times better.
f37b6f No.16460743
>>16460733
This is a pretty good shitpost, anon
4ebbac No.16460761
>>16460679
>>16460731
It's still a remake, it's called 2 because of a misguided marketing attempt by the publisher and IPL's general weirdness not perfectly translating to that marketing. Get a room full of those guys going on about how this game is meant to be like a restaged play and this is apparently the result.
>>16460733
You and practically everyone else with enough morbid curiosity to give it a try but not quite enough to play the second day. The real tragedy is that this remake was specifically made for people like you and it's still probably going to turn off 85% of the people who try it.
b796a7 No.16460763
>>16460744
That said, I wouldn't compare Pathologic to Morrowind. I haven't even played it that much myself but I'd say it's closer to E.Y.E. if it were a point & click adventure (but with less clicking)
f37b6f No.16460786
>>16460761
>You and practically everyone else with enough morbid curiosity to give it a try but not quite enough to play the second day.
To be fair, I did the same thing the first time I tried Pathologic (I later returned and played it properly). The game starts really shittily – go from A to B several times, chat with an assload of NPCs who you won't remember the names of anyway until like the fifth day, all the while having no real obstacles thrown at you and wondering what the actual fuck the game even is about. Add to it that when you play it the first time, you don't know what the fuck is going on and don't understand like 70% of the shit people tell you about, are puzzled over the impossible ruins all over the place and their purpose, and the fact that a day lasts a pretty damn long time in this game. A first time player is bound to be confused as fuck by it all and the game does a really bad job explaining any of it. Then food price hike comes like a further kick in the balls the next day since it's something a first time player couldn't have known about and thus wouldn't have bought shitload of food on day 1.
The game's great once you understand the way it's meant to be played, but I can see why a lot of people get turned off on their first time.
f35c6a No.16460832
>>16460792
'Course, with that decision you can pin it on tinyBuild rather than on Ice-Pick Lodge.
ba1442 No.16460835
Should I play Classic HD and then this remake, or just the remake?
6491d7 No.16460858
>>16460835
If the demo is any indication, the remake is going to be quite different, sort of a different take on the same story and setting. So you can enjoy Classic HD just fine.
4ebbac No.16460862
>>16460786
Same, but it's not like everyone HAS to choose the Bachelor's route for their first playthrough, and the Haruspex is thrown into the action straight away. Even if the mysteries of the Bachelor's first day aren't enticing enough to push further, you only have to make it a little ways into Day 2 to see the Silent House, which should make the thematic potential of the game clear to anyone. IPL probably deserves a slap on the wrist for some early-game design stumbles, but I don't think that exonerates the gaming public's ADD-tier need for immediate gratification.
>>16460835
Considering Classic HD would take about 70 hours to complete, no, I'd just choose one or the other.
The part of the remake coming out on the 23rd is just the Haruspex's route (the middle character) for the moment, which is not the character most people are familiar with, so you could try the Bachelor's route in the original and then decide after the fact if you want to try the remake.
273ff1 No.16461044
>>16457205
>multiple anons pre-ordered this
Paypigs never learn.
a552ac No.16461323
>>16457205
I knew about the retarded publisher already, but I hadn't heard about the change to Gearbox
ea6431 No.16461364
>>16457205
Oh god, I remember this bullshit and it pissed me off so fucking much that the devs/pubs whatever was holding the game off from release because they wanted to pull some publicity stunt even though the game was fucking finished. Christ, what a bunch of twats.
f35c6a No.16463430
>>16461044
Ice-Pick Lodge are the biggest paypigs of all in this, keep in mind. The Pathologic remake could be their big break - if their publishers don't fuck it up for them. Which those publishers might have already done.
cb7ed0 No.16480153
>>16460835
the original is boring as shit because your just walking 90% of the time, see if the remake fixes it first
4ebbac No.16487370
>>16487207
Keep in mind that MandaloreGaming recently put up a review of Pathologic on Youtube, which now has upwards of 500,000+ views, which is about a hundred times as many people as actually finished the game. I didn't watch the whole thing, but from bits and pieces I know that the travel time was a major point of contention. I hoped it wouldn't infect the threads too much but there you go.
39e5c5 No.16487380
>>16455531
Daily reminder that you are borderline retarded if you pre-ordered this. They will not run out of copies of it, it is a digital "good".
d93b3b No.16487411
>>16487370
>tfw I did the original bachelor rip and tear and got an actually skilled drawfag to improve my shitty attempt at haruspex
The threads around the release of classic HD were the best I tell you what
4ebbac No.16487431
>>16487411
Here's hoping the new ones will bring everyone back together, although I doubt I'll be posting at all until I complete it.
5c0d21 No.16487442
>>16457205
>gearbox
yarr harr it is then
d93b3b No.16487504
>>16487431
I really am looking forward to post with anons about the game, but my main concern is that I might just not be motivated to tackle Pathologic again. I want to be, but I know I can't count on myself.
Regardless, have some archives.
https://archive.is/oUgsa
https://archive.is/cnkRN
8a89ac No.16488800
>The physical rewards will become available later this year, after the release. They’ve all been designed—we’re just waiting for the funds to actually produce and ship the items. So stay tuned!
>>>>>>>>we’re just waiting for the funds to actually produce and ship the item
LMAO THEY HAVEN'T EVEN PRODUCED THEM, AS THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY
DYBOVSKI PROBABLY SPENT IT ON KETAMINE AND MALNOURISHED HOOKERS
4a4a8b No.16491409
>playing Haruspex after a Bachelor run
>learn you can sleep in any bound's bed
Is the demo worth playing?
146553 No.16491463
>>16488800
>a crowdfunded game has shit planning
>a crowdfunded artsy fartsy faggot navel gazing "game" that's like 9 tenths walking simulator has shit planning
COLOR ME SHOCKED, BETTER PREORDER AND DONATE TO THEIR KIKESTARTER
t. neo/v/
a27a3e No.16491756
>>16457205
>game is released once twitch completes it
Holy fucking shit that is retarded. Ten years ago an act this ludicrous would probably have made the news. Now it's just another retarded occurrence among the myriad number of other retarded occurrences. Life isn't a tragedy, it's a comedy.
8a89ac No.16491997
>>16491463
I don't care, I pledged my pocket change 5 years ago.
5 years ago I had 1 less kid, lived in different country and had radically different political views, I don't give a shit about my 10 bucks from 2015, I spend more on random mobile gacha shit once in a while
6906ff No.16492014
>>16491997
Get the fuck off this board.
22c439 No.16492100
>>16491997
i feel bad for your kids
8a89ac No.16492105
>>16492014
>(1)
>le sage is a downboat
Kill yourself for 2 years before posting.
4ebbac No.16495297
One bump to remind everyone that it's releasing tomorrow, in 22 hours and 35 minutes, OP's timeframe was a little off. I'm not sure about the DRM situation, but since it's only releasing on Steam at first it may take a bit for the crack. It apparently already won a few awards at a Moscow thing called DevGAMM, and Alphyna's speaking highly of it. Don't know how much stock you can put in an industry awards gig and the opinion of someone who worked on the game, but there you go.
Cross-referencing a few quotes across the years has me hopeful that IPL have managed to design the sort of open, emergent gameplay they always envisioned (more along the lines of Turgor), instead of the railroaded questline checklist they had to slap on the original for the sake of functionality. It's honestly a low-risk release for my own selfish reasons, since Pathologic's already my favorite game even in its original state, but I hope P2 lets everyone else see what the fans loved all along. One third of it, anyway.
124a4a No.16495357
>>16495297
Fug, that's too late in the night to have a chance at downloading it before the morning for me. May have to go radio silence. Again, I hope I find the motivation to tackle it anew, having just Bachelor may be a blessing in disguise in that regard. I fully expect to at least enjoy it based on the demo though.
I also predict the first one or two threads to be full of shitposters.
8a89ac No.16495558
>>16488800
…and no one has checked that sweet full house. Shame.
>>16495297
>4ebbac
>for Ebba, see?
Brenton, is that you?
Goddamnit, I will only play it in a week or so. Really hope for some depth. The shallowness of vidya I played last 5 years is fucking astounding.
124a4a No.16498006
>Turns out they gave the full game on steam for alpha backers 24h before release but it was just mentioned in a news post so I missed it
Oh well, still a 4-5 hours headstart I guess.
a27a3e No.16498124
I know this probably isn't a good thread for it because this is a dev that I actually like but can we get a magnet for the game up so we can do some try b4 you buy ops? Really looking forward to this game but I don't wanna commit any moniez just yet
4ebbac No.16498151
>>16498124
>I know this probably isn't a good thread for it because this is a dev that I actually like but can we get a magnet for the game up
IPL has historically been A-OK with piracy as far as I'm aware, so I wouldn't sweat it too much.
Shouldn't be as long for the magnet as I predicted earlier. The GOG store page isn't showing it, but it's supposedly releasing on Steam and GOG simultaneously, although I already got the Steam version before I knew that so I can't help there.
https://ice-pick.com/en/pathologic-2-demo/
There's a demo for the game to maybe tide you over, and I can get the artbook and soundtrack up on the vola as soon as they're available as well.
4a4a8b No.16498475
Anyone know what the system requirements are?
6f6b21 No.16498482
>>16498475
Nigger check the fucking Steam page
4a4a8b No.16498503
>>16498482
Hopefully the release is optimized, I could barely play the demo with a recommended rig
4ebbac No.16498530
Alright, looks like it's live, see you on the other side, lads. And be sure to post the magnet as soon as it's possible, I haven't seen one pop up yet.
On a side note, it may be too early to call, but it sounds like they didn't ruin it.
424c2d No.16498549
>>16498503
Yeah I played it and it's not. I did play the demo fine but that release chugs severely.
Also you play at Haruspex? I didn't follow the development news much because I never to on principle, but that seems like an odd choice to me considering he's the most complex of the three.
It's too bad because some of the scenes in there were pretty much what I envisioned for a "Pathologic instead fully realized". It's realized alright, just not really accessible at the moment.
Also fuck off with that autosave only bullshit.
4a4a8b No.16498580
4a4a8b No.16498594
>>16498549
Based on the steam forums it's more optimized but I don't think there's a direct translation for optimization in Russian.
424c2d No.16498604
>>16498594
I'll have to try with lesser settings and all, but fact is it fucking tanked my rig and it can play new releases just fine. Sure, I only have 8gb ram, but that ought to be enough for anything these days.
a27a3e No.16498612
>>16498530
>modern game reviewers hate it
Even more reason to check it out now I suppose. I think he missed the entire point of the game too. What an utter and total faggot.
>>16498151
>>16498580
All right, I suppose I'll check the codex. Thanks anons.
92db61 No.16498648
>>16498530
>rock paper shotgun
>"soulsian"
>meter-watching
>"budget skyrim"
He wants it to be a walking sim so badly but is juuuuuuuust dancing on the edge of outright saying it.
I hope it's good guys, I really do
05384e No.16498759
>It's out
>I can stream it for my brazilian friend and have a comfy Thursday night
Thank you slavs
8af33a No.16498799
>>16498530
>the most boring species of meter management
Just use 'type' like a normal person, you pretentious faggot.
02756f No.16498821
So is this actually a sequel or just a glorified HD remake?
4a4a8b No.16498837
d88e52 No.16498870
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9816a9ce9f96e9caeaef9e20020e503c50985761&dn=Pathologic.2-CODEX
203722 No.16498877
>>16498799
>rinko
>loli
What
02756f No.16498880
>>16498837
What a shame. Looks pretty though, I guess.
22c439 No.16498891
scene faggots take a steam crack version before a gog release even though they were released at the same time scene fags confuse me
4a4a8b No.16498897
>>16498891
Kickstarter backers got the game on Steam a few hours before the actual release
424c2d No.16498902
>>16498897
>Kickstarter
Most of the backing was done on IPL's own site.
33481e No.16498905
>>16498897
>steam's effective monopoly on PC games still runs high even on games like this
Bombing of Valves HQ when?
4a4a8b No.16498918
424c2d No.16498944
>>16498918
I reread your post and I still don't see why you would primarily call backers kickstarter-related when most of the funding had nothing to do with kickstarter. There are only backers for this game. Kikestarter is an outlier at best.
34b0b1 No.16498966
>>16498905
I blame personally blame Microsoft and GFWL
If it wasn't for them shoehorning that service on every single PC release people wouldn't have even looked at Steam.
4a4a8b No.16499360
>>16498944
Don't know how much ice pick raised on their website but it couldn't be more than this
pathologic 2 is one of the few games that actually deserves a kickstarter, didn't mean to disparage it by associating it with other kickstart games even if it took them this long to deliver, the weight was worth it
e73d76 No.16499404
>>16498905
>steam's effective monopoly on PC games still runs high
It wouldn't if somebody would fucking step up and make a better service. Christ everyone and their fucking dog is making their own digital store these days and not fucking one of them even tries to be better than steam.
99a08c No.16499412
>have wanted to play Pathologic for years
>finally buy Classic HD
>it's one of the few games that doesn't like Proton very well
>Void Linux doesn't keep Wine very up to date so I'll probably have to compile that myself
One of these days.
>>16499404
In an ideal world, developers could just sell their games on their own websites and either offer plain downloads or have some package management system to make updates less painful.
622f15 No.16499421
>>16499404
It's kind of like the same problem with youtube. Both of the services have had years of development to this point which means it prohibitively expensive for another service to pop up and give as good or better service. That being said in terms of a game sales platform, I can't really think of anybody actually trying, but I imagine it would run into the same problems as youtube competitors.
e73d76 No.16499422
>>16499412
>In an ideal world, developers could just sell their games on their own websites
That would be great but they would probably all die in obscurity since it's expensive to advertise. Even e-celebs are pulling million dollar checks to play dog shit AAA games now.
99a08c No.16499437
>>16499421
Given what a fucking huge moneypit Youtube is, I'm sure its replacement will either be partially P2P or a search engine for finding webms on IPFS.
419f0e No.16499688
d88e52 No.16500937
Anyone have the code for the 55$ tier game event?
I have the one for the item it's somethingold
fd8214 No.16500960
>>16499437
IPFS is a stepping stone and will likely give way to a successor with more permanence
Bitchute comes to my mind foremost as a youtube replacement but theres countless other projects
92db61 No.16501238
>>16499688
>heiled
yeah I'm waiting for feedback before getting into it but I have a feeling the lack of comments indicates people are actually playing it and enjoying it rather than shitting on it.
I just want to know if it's playable or if I need to wait for some patching
71f697 No.16501254
>graphics are good
>still feels like the old game
>more things to do means more rushing around
>trading is still good
>sprinting but the stamina bar runs out in less than 10 seconds
>save points at important locations rather than menu
>fast travel by boat that requires special coins you can trade for
They took everything good about the old game and removed some of the tedium, its a bit heavy on the symbolism and meta stuff in the beginning though. Two CTDs in 5 hours.
92db61 No.16501266
>>16501254
there we go. Thanks anon. Does it feel polished minus the crashes? Is it worth playing right away or should I wait for some fixes?
71f697 No.16501274
>>16501266
The crashes were from entering buildings, probably only happens in 1/50 cases. Get it if you liked the previous games as its a straight improvement mechanically, graphically and atmospherically.
f37b6f No.16501426
>>16501254
That does sound pretty good, but what about the music? Pathologic's soundtrack was one of the best I've come across, did they keep it in the second game?
c10bbd No.16501451
>>16461364
Keep in mind: The game was an early access game too. Not only did they refuse to release the game for the sake of their publicity stunt, they actually took away the copies of the game that people already had for the sake of the publicity stunt.
So, yeah, now that Pathologic is actually out, fingers crossed that the reason why I'm hearing nothing about it is because I'm out of touch and not because the publisher really has completely botched it.
>>16498530
>Rock Paper Shotgun went from being the only people in videogame journalism who actually cared enough about videogaming to recognise what was going on in Pathologic to being the modern walking parody of a journalist that would look at Pathologic and think "it's like Skyrim"
It's like pottery.
b65d71 No.16501480
>>16501426
No the music is completely different. Nothing like the first game except for the broken heart bar music. It's a completely different style too which sucks.
The voices aren't the original actors, I really only hoped for Haruspex to have the same voice because his was amazing the first. Also all the voices in the games sound like they used a shit microphone or uploaded the wrong file. You can hear static.
f37b6f No.16501487
>>16501480
ONE FUCKING JOB
4a4a8b No.16501511
df5951 No.16501853
Is this just a remake with the same exact story and the shitty endings or is it different enough to warrant a playthrough?
71f697 No.16501903
>>16501853
Some old characters and some new ones. I'm on day 3 and the steppe people are planning a violent revolution which might be fun.
0b8441 No.16501933
>>16455531
>owning the original on steam gives you 10% off the game
i love this, why don't more devs do this?
ce9279 No.16502563
I have a theory that this game is unplayable without SSD, can anyone prove me wrong?
2c87f8 No.16502580
>>16501511
At least you got dubs
ce9279 No.16503087
Anyway, already asked for a refund. I'll never preorder anything ever again.
99f0d7 No.16503337
>>16501933
Because the people most likely to buy it are the ones who owned the original.
a27a3e No.16503756
Played this all day the day just gone, very satisfying, completely lost track of time. Main drawbacks
>Combat is a vast improvement over the first game, and everything feels more fluid. It's not zeno clash or mordhau, but it's a definite improvement. You can no longer abuse the AI, but now the tables are turned. They can abuse YOU quite happily.
<Fighting one on one with some pleb
<4 guys come out of fucking nowhere
<Guards watch and eat popcorn
<Try to run away
<can't because Artemy has iron soles to his boots and can't sprint longer than 8 seconds straight
<Enemies catch you anyway because catching speed is slightly higher than your non sprint
<Enemies can Catch AND hit you
In a game that penalizes you for dying, I found myself save scumming a fuckton simply because of some of the shit this game throws at you that is essentially inescapable.
<Another scenario
<Guy pulls a knife out of his boot
<all right, lets see how this goes
<punch him 10 times over the course of 20 seconds, he's fine
<Turns into knife ninja pro
<Stabs me three/4 times in roughly 2 seconds
<Ded
>Hunger is a FUCKING JOKE.
I don't know if it's just because I'm trying to be extremely time efficient by sprinting everwhere, but Hunger in this game, is well.. Excessive. Seems like every 3/4 hours my hunger bar fills up again, and I have to eat. Thirst is also kinda bad, but since you're sprinting around so much at least this makes sense given the context.
Other than those glaring faults, everything seems to be a vast improvement. Hell, even the way the story is managed is vastly improved upon.
>Commoners often run to you in town with messages of whats going on
>Talk to pretty much anyone about general shit if they have something to say
>'Character sense' means that you can see what objects/characters you can interact with and what you can't
>Theatre isn't just an elaborate addon anymore and now feels fully integrated into the game
>Character interactions make more sense and match the narration/original style more closely. Some Voicelines I recognize but most are now.
>Characters are now STARKLY different from each-other, and this comes across in every interaction you have with them. Big Vlad is a money grabbing kike, the bachelor is an uppity city boy, the changeling is a petulant child with strange godlike powers. Everyone FEELS a lot more realized, like the character they were originally supposed to be.
a252b4 No.16503804
>>16455531
>preorder discount
>preorder
>Investing in video games
Rope Necklace yourself faggot
4a4a8b No.16504095
>>16503756
It's a good remake with a few things that make it very frustrating to play. The biggest one is you can only have one save per run and that dying means you loss a bit of your max HP.
I got to day 8 before I had almost nothing with major NPCs infected. Looting plague districts is alot harder now with haruspex since you have to save your tinctures for curing the infected meaning there's less immunity items around. Looting non plague houses is a death sentence now because hunger goes up so quickly. Trading has been improved so much since you don't have to lockpick a door to trade with the people inside meaning it's easy to trade for food, but if you need to loot a house that means no more trading in that district and getting shot in the streets.
The story is actually alot better now there's more than 10 people to talk to and keeping people alive is much more involved than it was before.
>>16503985
Worth a pirate at least, it's what a walking simulator should be
912afe No.16505771
I didn't get very far but here's some shit I learned:
Yellow (medrel) immunity boosters exhaust you, Orange Zurke makes you thirsty, White Yas makes you hungry. The '+' versions of these boosters does the reverse, like Orange+ quenches you a bit.
To make the Yellow[+], Swevery + any herb
To make Orange[+], Ashen Swish + any herb
I assume White[+] is White Whip but I've yet to find one.
Some brewed painkillers (tincture+healthy organ) have extra effects. Ones I've found are Orange and Kidneys = small immunity boost.
Lockpicks are decent for shanking thugs. They die in about two hits. Doesn't last long though. The best method I've found for killing people one on one with fists are to always block, then charge up a punch and move forward when you see them approach, timing it so you hit them before they swing. While they're reeling, do as many charged punches as you can. Then block and move backward and repeat. Enemies only kick you if you block too long or too many of their attacks, I think. Blocking only one of their attacks should give you enough stamina for a charge punch from 0. You can sort of do this with two enemies but I usually take a few hits. Combat is kinda clunky but much better than Pathologic 1.
Also, panties are modeled
>>16503756
Yeah hunger and thirst/stamina is kinda annoying. In the alpha you used to be able to get the stamina regeneration while blocking outside of combat.
I sent feedback after the Alpha and I mentioned how shit the stamina/sprinting was outside of combat and how dumb it was to keep blocking while running around the town. Wonder if it was my fault it got removed
And yeah the characters are much more alive than before. It's great how the Artemy actually feels like he is from that town and has friends he grew up with who share a history with him. In the first game he was as much of an outsider than the Bachelor was.
>>16503985
It's definitely still strange but its more of a game than its predecessor. Still lots of walking though.
d37e90 No.16506001
How different is the story in the remake? Is it an overhaul or just fine tuning or what.
5c1d13 No.16506390
Are they selling Bachelor and Changeling routes for full price later or will they be added as DLC?
25dd28 No.16506489
<Pathologic Classic HD
>2 GB RAM
<Pathologic 2
>8 GB RAM minimum
It barely even looks better
b65d71 No.16507304
>>16506489
That's the power of jewnity.
430e9d No.16507334
>>16506489
It looks significantly better, I don't understand, it also runs on Unity, so I'd imagine there's a load of overhead due to abstracted layer that Unity games are made on.
f68420 No.16508475
Where's the torrent, faggots
accdee No.16509416
>play the intro
>loading screen says "the real game starts now and you have to find a save point. The game will no longer autosav-"
>it crashes
>replay the intro
>"loading screen says "the real game starts now and you have to find a save point. The game will no longer autosave"
>made it
>talk to a few NPCs
>move to the next zone
>it crashes
34b0b1 No.16509634
>>16509416
Now this is a Slav game
Will buy
>>16506449
None of the games you like are good either.
4000bf No.16509756
>>16509416
The game warned you, anon. Better haul ass to that save point.
4065d3 No.16510775
4ebbac No.16512061
Alright, that's a wrap, twelve deaths and 45 hours later I got the bad ending. Looks like I went at it pretty hard this weekend though, since achievement stats show that 0.3% of players got that same ending too. Well. That was incredibly difficult. This is karmic payback for everyone who perpetuated the meme that Pathologic was a comfy walking simulator.
I'm not sure how much I want to talk about it, both to organize my thoughts and to avoid spoilers for everyone else, depending on how many people are still playing. I also wonder if I ran into a bug there at the end. The Executors Orderlies' dialogue implied I had taken the offer after the sixth or seventh death to erase all of my mistakes up until that point, but I know I refused. Maybe that's just the dialogue you get when you run out of time on the main quest. As a hardline defender of the original Pathologic, I'll say that Pathologic 2 is pure, pure Pathologic, through and through. I had worried they would dramatically change the game for the sake of broad appeal to the point it would become unrecognizable, but it's mostly just the original with some aesthetic, narrative and balancing touches I always wanted to see. If anything, they've gone in the other direction. This is even more prohibitively difficult than The Void, and despite the flashy in medias res opening the story's on an even slower burn than the original.
Seems like this one is going to hold up better on replays, but it'll be months before I'm ready to play it again, maybe not until the next character comes out. Might even replay the Haruspex route of the original just for the sake of comparison, since it's been four years since the last time I played it.
>>16503756
>Hunger is a FUCKING JOKE.
Yep, that's by far the most questionably balanced thing in the game, although I don't know how much their proposed "difficulty slider" is going to alleviate that. Imagining a version of that meter with a slower buildup would turn it from a catalyst for desperation into a minor annoyance, and anything higher would be literally unplayable. It's an especially hard pill to swallow on Day 11, where time is going by so quickly you can hardly make it a few minutes without starving, and practically all viable sources of food have gone. I had to consume the Living Blood in the Abattoir just to get by until the night. Strange, I had thought that would be the "hardest day of your life" where you'd be given the option to slaughter your own bull for its meat, but it never happened for me.
4ebbac No.16512090
>>16506001
If you've played all three characters in the original and gotten both parts of the true ending, it probably doesn't have anything new for you, no. It's technically a completely new script but it's still the same basic story, beat for beat. From what I saw, anyway.
>>16506390
They said they're still deciding.
>>16502563
It's not technically unplayable but the hitching is unforgivably bad, especially with all of the particle effects in the infected districts and the rain, wait to hear that it's been patched. It also hard crashes on almost every exit, and it took me a couple attempts to keep it from freezing at midnight on Day 10.
d29a96 No.16516804
4ebbac No.16516849
>>16516753
No, they haven't announced anything new in the last week, it's still unclear whether it'll be DLC or separate releases and there's no release dates set. I think they're still internalizing the critical reception and trying to get the existing game to perform acceptably.
a2fd62 No.16517032
This game is going to sell great right? r-right?
a6052d No.16517041
>>16517032
I think it's confirmed at this point that the publisher they went with really has fucked up the game's release - I still hold that it could have been Ice-Pick Lodge's big break if it had actually received any genuine publisher support. That's not happening.
With that said, though, the publisher has fucked up the game's release - but it hasn't fucked up the game itself. At least outside of the whole "turning it into an early access episodic game" thing. That's something to be grateful for when an incompetent publisher gets its hands on your favourite game.
a2a150 No.16517050
>>16517041
why did they go with tinybuild anyways? what did tinybuild do?
4761ab No.16517569
>>16517050
They developed a reddit humor platformer called No Time To Explain before realizing their games were shit and becoming a publisher instead. After that they published some stuff like Lovely Planet, that Punch Club clusterfuck, and Clustertruck.
71f697 No.16518783
>>16512061
>12 deaths
Just buy the shotgun, god damn.
4ebbac No.16518816
>>16518783
That wasn't all from looting, I didn't reload a save until I had died from starvation or infection, if that was the situation at the moment, and I didn't savescum if I got cornered while looting either. Didn't feel in the spirit of what they've said about the game.
>the shotgun
I didn't get the revolver for 3000 on the first day, isn't the shotgun like 20000 if you get it from Grief?
8c5abe No.16518826
>>16517569
They also tried to publish Yandere Simulator but I think they decided to drop it because they found out it was never going to come out.
be316c No.16519158
Alright, I have an important question. Is the game fun?
4ebbac No.16519205
>>16519158
>spoiler
Don't say that word too loudly, or they'll make Cargo 2
b28ad4 No.16519590
>>16519205
I hope they do faggot.
4ebbac No.16521968
Patch is out, is anyone still playing who can see an improvement?
5d08a9 No.16521998
some of the graphical "upgrades" imo have lost the soul of the original.
c08ac0 No.16527669
>first walkthrough (slow, because I'm a wagefag)
>tense, but nothing impossible
>starting to get the feeling of the game a little bit
>running to fix me some curd cheese for hunger pains
>step into the burnt out district
>immediately three thugs aggro at me
>try to retreat
>"where dafuq are you going?"
>shanked
>stabbed
>stagger
>Oh hi Mark
Jesus fucking Christ, Ice Pick, never change. It's like I'm back in Russia again.
4ebbac No.16527738
>>16521998
Depends on which ones you're talking about, but I wouldn't agree, although I guess this comes down to the debate on whether the charisma of lowpoly outweighs the benefits of top tier art direction. After listening to the soundtracks in the past week I do understand the complaints about the music, though, which is something I hardly noticed while playing. I was surprised to see in the credits that it was Mushroomer, he didn't seem like the most obvious choice since his work on IPL's other games was so different to Gandrabur's original soundtrack.
>>16527669
>It's like I'm back in Russia again.
Are you playing in Russian? How's the script compared to the original?
>Oh hi Mark
I know he's still the basis for Artemiy's model, but every time I meet Immortell all I see is Nikolay.
3f4177 No.16528226
8a89ac No.16529312
>>16527738
Can't say, my man, as comparison implies familiarity with both comparables. I feel that it's a bit better. Probably because Haruspex path is a bit straightforward. I didn't get to later days, plan to start from the beginning a couple of times more, and I expect later days to have deeper conversations, but so far it's rather immersive, it almost doesn't feel bad.
ca3cb6 No.16529377
>>16527738
Good enough. Some strange selections of words in few moments, and english version lost much of witty remarks, that really hard to translate.
There are lots of aphorisms and proverbs that translation just skips.
cbe4ee No.16529642
First regretful purchase of the year.
be9123 No.16530466
>>>/v/16529642
Would you like to elaborate, or are you just fishing for replies?
49a375 No.16535967
This shit is fucking bullshit from day one. There's like one place to fucking save in a tiny corner of town far away from everything, it takes eons to get anywhere, and a random motherfucker will guaranteed see you and come running to beat your ass every turn of every corner.
If you could save more often or it didn't take a decade to get across town, I could forgive this. But instead, you get knocked dizzy (quite literally in game) with next to no warning as 3 fuckers tee off on you within 3 minutes of getting inside the town. Healing is nearly impossible. If it's one guy, it's not hard, but usually another guy joins in in the process of fighting/running from the first guy. Heaven forbid he have a weapon. Constant ass beatings + next to no healing + extremely infrequent save points + lost progress + huge amounts of time investment wasted = not fun.
Like what the fuck, that alone gives me zero motivation to finish this fucking game.
4ebbac No.16535991
>>16529312
>I didn't get to later days, plan to start from the beginning a couple of times more
I don't really blame anyone who does this, but I was fine getting slapped with the ending I did for a first playthrough, and looking around it seems like a pretty widespread experience. It's also something unique to the first game, since in that one you'd obviously reload immediately upon receiving a failure state instead of trying to survive after the fact.
Promised myself I'd let the game rest for at least a month before trying it again, though, so there's three more weeks to go. I have a prediction for what the "good" ending would be (assuming it's essentially the same as the ending from the first one), but I don't know, they might try to pull a fast one, it's very suspicious to me that Anna Angel is dead before the game even starts. And there's no fucking way you can get the true ending the same way you do in the original, that seems even more difficult than getting the secret ending in The Void.
>>16529377
Is this a Turgor/Voices of Color situation where they're chopping lines of dialogue altogether, or just on the translator's end? I always felt like things were going over my head culturally, even in the first game. I was glad to see in the design documentation that they confirmed the Rat Prophet was based on the Rat King, it seems obvious now but that was just something I held as a theory for a long time.
>>16535967
>There's like one place to fucking save in a tiny corner of town far away from everything, it takes eons to get anywhere
There should be at least three places to save on Day 1 as far as I remember, and aren't the river passages available right from the start?
>and a random motherfucker will guaranteed see you and come running to beat your ass every turn of every corner.
P2's a little more forgiving there since only the law enforcement will pursue you, when in P1 it was literally every single adult male in the town, and they don't aggro from as great a distance if you're not sprinting, or if you use stealth mode to look around corners.
>Constant ass beatings + next to no healing + extremely infrequent save points + lost progress + huge amounts of time investment wasted = not fun.
Did you play any other Ice-Pick Lodge games, or are you totally unfamiliar with their design philosophy?
ad8ddb No.16536448
>>16535991
Translator's end. Some of flavor and style lost, mainly jokes or especially witty responses. Of course, every child and dog in game are eloquent, with exception of Haruspex, who uses basic awful puns or country, low style rhymes. It´s awfully bizarre, to be honest, would be difficult to translate every part of style.
But in first two days, no factual errors in translation. Some slight errors in tone of phrases, few times, but irrelevant.
2e997a No.16536724
i'm addicted to the npc's in this game. i can't remember another time where dialogue options didn't just feel like i was inputting commands to reach a goal. i feel like i'm actually a character interacting with people, crazy stuff.
03dfac No.16543897
So I have never played either game, but my friend gave me his files for Pathologic 2. Should I play the HD remake first in case this really does change too much, or should I be good just playing 2?
Sorry if this has already been asked, I dont want to spoil myself too much.
4ebbac No.16544034
>>16543897
You're fine playing 2 without playing the original beforehand. It will probably give you the better first experience with the game (or at least the one more in line with the original design intentions), and you do want to give yourself a memorable first experience.
The biggest advantage 1 has at the moment is that it's actually feature complete, since 2 launched with only one of the three playable characters currently available. That's not going to immediately affect you as much as you'd expect, since I think most people who played Pathologic casually have only played one character anyway, but it's something to consider.
488571 No.16544130
>>16543897
>So I have never played either game, but my friend gave me his files for Pathologic 2. Should I play the HD remake first in case this really does change too much, or should I be good just playing 2?
You should give the first a try, just to feel how, contemporary it is and whatnot and how the story and gameplay unfolds in it. Then you'll have a greater appreciation for Pathologic 2. Pathologic 2 doesn't have the Bachelor and Changeling/thief characters to play yet, but its quite a blast how the first game and second game compare. I think ultimately, one should experience both and extrapolate from both sides.
Also if you get to a point where you can't handle the, first game, I'd suggest watching SulMatul's Letsplay of it. He does a really perfect lets play, with great commentary that adds to the experience, talking about the plot and story and cultural and aesthics of the game. He's currently doing an LP of the second game right now as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Y4Zjp_5S0&t=1s
03dfac No.16546129
>>16544130
>You should give the first a try, just to feel how, contemporary it is and whatnot and how the story and gameplay unfolds in it. Then you'll have a greater appreciation for Pathologic 2. Pathologic 2 doesn't have the Bachelor and Changeling/thief characters to play yet, but its quite a blast how the first game and second game compare. I think ultimately, one should experience both and extrapolate from both sides.
OK, so if I do go and play the 'first' title, should I go for CLASSIC, or the HD rerelease? I figure the latter, but I don't know if they changed much in the transition.
4ebbac No.16546589
>>16546129
Classic HD, for sure, the same question was asked a while back.
>>16455820
>>16455945
>>16456033
Really the thing the 2005 version has going for it is some of the voice acting, otherwise the 2015 release is a net positive.
>>16544130
>I think ultimately, one should experience both and extrapolate from both sides.
That's a better answer than the one I gave, I agree. I do worry, though, that new players will play the original and either a) lose interest and drop the game before it even gets started, or b) shamelessly savescum through the game and avoid all challenge, which is why I recommended 2.
0fb893 No.16548190
>>16498530
>"""Soulsian"""
> " " " S O U L S I A N " " "
>dark souls is the only hard game
>here let me ruin its reputation by spamming it in every conversation
>surely this won't annoy people and turn them off of ever playing it
>souls games are about 'reaction, movement, and practice' [no they aren't]
>risk management? strategic choice? the fuck are you talking about bro
>pathologic doesn't have difficulty. the only difficulty. the souls kind.
Whoever wrote this is so retarded, I want to murder them with my bare hands. How could you be this narrow-minded and stupid? Just try to imagine thinking this little about your supposed hobby and passion
4ebbac No.16549881
Patch 4 is out, and so is the difficulty slider, their hail Mary attempt to get the gaming public to willfully subject themselves to prolonged mental anguish. It's not as bad as I expected, since of course they were going to do it in an Ice-Pick way.
>difficulties are now Larva (medium), Chrysalis (hard), and Imago (intended)
>individual game parameters can be tweaked far below and far above their intended states
Seems like at the moment the only punishment for ever toggling it off "Intended" is that you miss out on an achievement, but given all the ways that they funnel you into one of the bad endings, I wouldn't be surprised if it locks you out of content as well. Hopefully, anyway.
It's nice that the difficulty names reference all the talk of metamorphosis from that "On the Threshold of the Bone House" presentation they gave forever ago. And although I'd prefer to play on Intended when I go back to it in a few weeks, at some point in the future I might be tempted to tweak it myself. It never seemed to right to me that hunger damage was so high while infection damage was so low.
cbe4ee No.16550787
>get panacea
>give it to the kid who runs the souls and halfs
>he gets sick again the next fucking day
Fucking hell. I have no one to blame but myself.
d86d8f No.16550808
>>16548190
>CY+4 der ewige journo
>hobby and passion
<imblying
2bd8dc No.16556557
>>16536724
From what I've seen you get two non-sequiturs to respond to a series of non-sequitur statements and that seems to be virtually every 'conversation'.
b65d71 No.16556613
>>16550787
Fucking hate that kid, he should've stayed in the polyhedron like a good boy in the first game.
>give him best preventitives 5/6 to not get sick
>gets sick
>give him the best antibiotics 1/6 chance to die
>dies next day
PRESS (F) TO LIGHT THE LAMP
4ebbac No.16556734
>>16556613
>give him the best antibiotics 1/6 chance to die
>dies next day
Do you think some of those are scripted, maybe? There were a few times I had to reload a save around midnight, and the infections/deaths seem to play out the same way anyway. Maybe they roll the dice at the beginning of the day instead, since they knew everyone would try to savescum out of a bad roll, but it's still suspicious. I've no idea why they would make it scripted, if they did. It's way too cool of an idea to not follow through on, and it seems like the fates would play out more or less the same way when left to chance.
6fd8a2 No.16556885
>>16556557
Just like in mother Russia, comrade.
b65d71 No.16557851
>>16556734
There's definitely savescum protection for the infect/death rolls even though the animation will change a bit. I haven't tested when the rolls are made. Like loading more than one day back to see what happens 2 days later. But I don't really care to try.
One thing I do want to try is savescumming to see how peoples inventories change to schmowder farm like in the first game.
b65d71 No.16557861
>>16556734
Oh wait, fuck, do you mean that if roll was so close that giving them antibiotics would save them, THEN reloading and giving it to them to see if they live or the game decides to kill them anyways? That would be some bullshit.
4ebbac No.16557906
>>16557851
>One thing I do want to try is savescumming to see how peoples inventories change to schmowder farm like in the first game.
I know for certain that inventories are rerolled after you die and return from the theatre, but I couldn't say how far in advance they're determined.
>>16557861
Basically yeah, that was my concern, whether it predetermines the position of the needle or if it predetermines the actual outcome (if it's really even predetermined at all). Although the latter would be the worst possible scenario, since it completely removes the purpose of the entire mechanic other than providing some smoke-and-mirrors trickery to make you think you have any control over the situation. The former would still be a little disappointing if you happen to get rolls so low that the patient couldn't possibly have survived, but to be as charitable to IPL as possible this is probably just a gambler's rationalization on my own end. If you get on a long enough unlucky streak you'd obviously start to feel like the odds are unfairly stacked against you.
Outside of just datamining it I don't know how many times you'd have to reroll a specific scenario or how far back you'd have to go before you could definitively say that it's cheating. You'd really only need one outlier to say that it's not always the same, but you'd need more to establish a pattern.
4ebbac No.16557959
>>16557861
I will say I was mostly looking for some solidarity on this, since that creeping doubt was with me for more than half of the time that I played. It seems extremely unlikely, all things considered.
I mean, for the system to cheat that way, you'd have to believe that they took the trouble to come up with this entire system, and then implement almost everything about it, but fail to implement the final, easiest step. And then instead of doing that final step, they put in something much more involved (since they'd have to predetermine every outcome for every living character for every night), and that they did all of that work for no reason, since the outcomes are essentially the same anyway.
b65d71 No.16558116
>>16557959
The animation is definitely random. If it really is out of 6 like the executors says, only bad grief sort of fits that here, and he's the only that actually died. If I have a good save i'll try and see if treatment actually changes something. Or if they are really trying to drive the point home that you can't save everyone without a miracle.
4ebbac No.16558230
>>16558116
>If I have a good save i'll try and see if treatment actually changes something.
Well, if the animation is random, and you hadn't treated Lara, surely that first outcome would have gotten her infected. And if you had treated Sticky, in that second outcome he wouldn't have. Something worth considering, if you're out to test it.
>Or if they are really trying to drive the point home that you can't save everyone without a miracle.
I'm all down for the themes, but it would still be annoying if it worked that way. I don't know why they would make a system that seems to be driven by random cruelty and then make it deterministic, they'd lose nothing if it was random.
085adc No.16558651
>>16543897
>Should I play the HD remake first in case this really does change too much, or should I be good just playing 2?
Here's the kind of shit I was talking about earlier. "2" is the HD remake.
8ad28a No.16559401
>>16558651
i think he meant the original hd remaster but yeah the naming is retarded, fuck knows why the called it 2
4000bf No.16559496
>>16556734
>Do you think some of those are scripted, maybe?
In the original Pathologic, you can save everyone. I assume that to be the case here as well
4ebbac No.16559545
>>16558116
Actually, this is a little more straightforward than I thought. Just by crossreferencing our screenshots you can know that the fates are at least different from one game to another.
>>16559401
I hated it at first, but since the other two most obvious solutions are just calling it Pathologic (2019) or Pathologic: Subtitle, it's not the worst possible scenario. I think they could have maybe just switched the titles, and called the western version Plague: The Utopia and the Russian version Patologicheskiy or whatever the equivalent would be.
>>16559496
>you can save everyone
Despite the game's insistence that "you can't save everyone", sure, I'd assume that's true, outside of the legitimate scripted deaths anyway. It seems to still be scripted that at least Anna, Rubin, and maybe Aglaya have to die, so presumably Eva will still die in the Bachelor's route. And I think one of your deaths causes the scripted death of one of your Adherents, it was Murky for me.
b65d71 No.16560340
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>>16559545
There definitely is randomness to the system, the question is how much can we actually influence it. also why are you bones and nerves list so different. I know I can add children to the blood by making them move in with me. Is that random too or quest related? wonder if it effects what medication they need. Also thought that i could save rubin, I skipped his quest because worms could duff me out in 2 punches I want to finish pathologic 2 in half an a press.
4ebbac No.16561964
Yeah, that was a trip seeing it on stage at E3, maybe their publishing deal with the devil got them a little more exposure.
>>16560340
Shit, could you save Rubin? I'm a monster.
>also why are you bones and nerves list so different
I don't really know. Since Daniil and Klara show up in Nerves I'd assume those are more major, influential characters, although I don't really know what the Bones are. Maybe it's in the design documentation somewhere.
b65d71 No.16564597
>>16561964
Did your list ever look like mine? It wasn't the results of doing (or not doing) certain quests? I can't make sense of your people chart.
I always viewed it like this:
>Bones: The structure of the body and gives it support
The Saburovs control the town without being mystical like the other families, Fat Vlad constructed the economy and umbilical cord, Oyun holds the kin together somewhat, Georgiy the brother of Simon would be the remaining structure for their family.
>Nerves: Express control over the body and give it direction and thought
The player characters are here since we have agency over the game, clairvoyant characters are here, the Inquisitor, Stamantins have a sort of mystical connection through architecture, Vlad the younger is more connected in having the town work with the kin for balance and is a hidden bound to haruspex for this reason. Not sure what Ana's doing there, her character was pretty bland in the first game not sure what changed because I let her die because shes useless and wears a burkha now.
>Blood: Instead of literal blood it is blood relation, family
Childhood friends and family are here. Aspity is kin so she's family too.
I'm assuming completing that quest would save Rubin. Also assuming the achievement where you finish the game with your childhood friends is proof he can live. It's actually nice letting people die since you can visit them in the theater of death and learn about the actors.
4ebbac No.16564734
>>16564597
>Did your list ever look like mine? It wasn't the results of doing (or not doing) certain quests? I can't make sense of your people chart.
I don't think it's as confusing as all that, the only visible differences are that you have the childhood friends categorized as Blood instead of Bones. The only time I saw a character move categories was when I asked Murky to live with me (she and Aspity were both under Blood for me), so that must be it. I was certain I had done Lara's quests up until she died of infection, but I know I missed the last quest for both Rubin and Grief. And I didn't finish organizing the get-together before the plague hit, so that quest was cancelled, maybe that's when they became your Blood.
>spoiler
Ah, is that who the Eighth was? I had some theories, like either a metaphor for Bos Turokh or one of the Almighty Authorities, wasn't expecting that.
691f2c No.16564957
>>16561840
Yeah, for like 3 seconds.
4ebbac No.16565150
>>16564734
Oh wait, that was in the original, wasn't it? My memory's hazy on some of the plot specifics. That doesn't make much sense to me with how the udurgh is described, so maybe not. I should be more careful about reading spoilers, though, I'm diving back in at some point.
b65d71 No.16565330
>>16565150
Is your udurgh under blood or something? It's not in your screenshot. I haven't finished pathologic 2 yet, but I assume that if the Udurgh stays alive I can get the right ending, hopefully but one of my bound are already fucking dead. The udurgh isn't young Vlad himself, more of an idea.
4ebbac No.16568030
>>16565330
There's a column cut off on the left with Sticky, Khan, and the Eighth, yeah.
>I haven't finished pathologic 2 yet, but I assume that if the Udurgh stays alive I can get the right ending
I see, hopefully you can succeed where I failed. I feel like I was very close to getting it done.