/v/ - Video Games

X can be done without a guide if you aren't going for 100%. The bullshit in that game is how to acquire all the optional content like avoiding lightning 200 times or something. X-2 is up there since even minor things like fast-forwarding through an NPC's dialog or skipping a cut scene can lock you out of the best ending.

>>16443826

Too bad Final Fantasy was never as good as Dragon Quest.

>>16443934

Maybe I was just underleveled, but I remember the endgame of X being totally absurd, with some stupidly overpowered enemies inside Sin and Jecht having a one-hit TKO unless you've got protection from petrification, not to mention him and Yu Yevon constantly healing themselves throughout their fights unless you've zombified them, all of which you'd have no idea about on your first go.

>>16443978

Dragon Quest held out longer as a better series while Final Fantasy has had multiple failures. I wondered why FF was more popular in the West than DQ?

>>16444018

I'm still pissed DQ10 didn't come while FF14 had a lot of love.

To think that many Westerners had such shit taste.

>>16443957

Without sidequests and armor skill grinding you would probably have to unlock the strongest skills in the sphere grid (double cast, flare, etc.) and pull off the better overdrives to beat Jecht comfortably. I can't remember how insane inside Sin was when I beat the game originally years ago on the ps2 since my last playthrough recently was 100% on the vita, and if a player has the autism to prepare for and beat Penance and the Dark Aeons then you become vastly OP when inside Sin.

>>16444000

FF was seen as edgier while DQ had designs that looked right out of a manga. Today you can see a slow changing of the tides since FF is declining while DQ has been consistent.

>>16443939

>>16444000

Dragon Quest is the same shit over and over, non-specific demon lord is starting some shit, where as Final Fantasy actually had great characters and unique plots. DQ is only more popular in Japan where it's demographic is boring as fuck people and moderately stupid children.

>>16443978

Square died when they sold themselves to Enix after Spirits Within bombed in theaters but before the revenue from DVD sales came in. After that they were gutted and work as a hat by a company that very specifically doesn't develop games directly.

>>16444047

>Out of its 15 mainline games, only three of them were actually good, and one of them was just "okay".

Let me guess, you're gonna say that 5 9 and 14 are the only good ones, and 6 is the "okay" one? I find it genuinely fascinating how no two people on Earth can agree on which FF games are good and which are shit. I guess it's a testament to how willing the devs are to change everything.

>>16444039

>where as Final Fantasy actually had great characters and unique plots.

You mean the simple kind of villain that becomes some godlike being that tries to destroy the world in every game wrapped in some "2deep4u" mess of a storyline where protagonists are pretty much boy band twinks and runway models?

>>16444059

The only good one is FF: Tactics, and maybe Tactics Advance.

>>16444080

The mana games is the best thing about Final Fantasy as well, despite being a spin-off series.

>>16444069

As opposed to DQ where it's "oh its just some evil spirit or some shit", roughly half the FF villains at least have some kind of development. Kefka is a dickweed for no adequately explored reason but his rise to power is shown alongside his conniving nature and his casual disregard for life, Sephiroth is detailed as a powerful but somewhat tragic hero who goes apeshit when he learns the false truth of his existence, Jeckt is a real fuckwit who tormented his son while banging the shit out of his wife because he's a meatheaded sports star but then falls through reality somehow goes on a journey of betterment and as the big bad monster actually tries to help his son end the retarded cycle of destruction. Kuja is a douche but he's given some sympathy, and while FF13 was retarded from stem to stern they at least give detail for why the Cocoon gods were going fucknutty.

I actually lost interest in FF12 at the lighthouse after hours of sidequesting so i don't actually know what the ultimate villain was there, pretty much everything from FF5 and back didn't have any depth, FF8 is shithouse and while they give some backstory for Edea and a little for Adel the final boss is a top-class asspull, and i never played 11, 14, or 15 so i can't comment. But yeah, the closest DQ comes is Psaro the Cockgobbler, where they give him sympathy in the DS version and replace him with another, different generic monster boss.

>>16444047

>>16444059

>>16444096

>Not XII

Plebs all of you

>inb4 le offline MMO meme

They used to do it deliberately to sell official strategy guides in Japan.

>>16444139

>I would pay a ton of money to play a Gilgamesh spin-off game where I could go on a weapon hunting adveanture and get into some hijinks.

That would imply Square being competent.

>>16444166

>This much asshurt

All you fuckers need Phantasy Star.

>>16444166

>Square is a corpse being marionette'd by Enix at this point.

It's more like Enix is being controlled by the Square parasite.

FF gets a lot more favoritism by Square because of the overseas markets and the series is getting milked and driven to the ground for all that profit. Look at how they are handling the remake of FF7 for instance and how they pretty much put product placement in their nu-games. It was a great series while it lasted until 10 became the slippery slope to wreck it all. But Square will continue spending an ungodly amount of money on making FF games to appeal to the AAA audience while DQ and their other IPs gets pushed into the niche corner among western releases.

>>16444178

>Not Wild Guns

While I enjoyed FFX did not appreciate how they moved away from a open hub world. It was a trademark for the series and moving away from was disappointing. I haven't played anything beyond it. All the following entries felt "off". Adding signature FF elements doesn't disguise how artificially fabricated they appear.

>>16444186

I wished the merger with Square and Enix never happened. As much as I criticized FF, both series shines their brightest when they were in competition with each other.

>>16444178

Square is dead; blame Enix for everything after 2003. I'd even say that Square was better since Enix put them in front like a human shield.

Phantasy Star up to 3 is worse than Dragon Quest since it's all 70's anime style and sci-fi bullshit on the god damn master system, which i honestly thought was an over-long GamePro april fools joke that kept going for years. PS4 is actually fairly good, it's just a shame i never heard of it when i was looking for JRPGs back in the late 90s. I played a shitload of PSO and PSUniverse and liked those, mostly because they were just RPG Dynasty Warriors. Haven't played PSO2 because as much as i hate foreigners in english MMOs, i really don't want to be the foreigner in that situation.

>>16444186

I see FF getting shilled on steam as Enix whoring out all of Square's old and good creations while they keep DQ in reserve because they don't think it'll turn a profit with whitey. Squaresoft, conversely, kept throwing out all these different SaGa games despite how garbage they are because Squaresoft were magical pixies that experimented with all kinds of shit like Einhander, Ehrgeiz, and Vagrant Story.

Also, did you mean Wild ARMs, you fucking heathen?

>>16444193

Competition is good. When two companies that own the two biggest JRPGs (that isn't Pokemon) merge, then it goes downhill in their hubris.

The best Final Fantasy games where made in the time when they had to compete with Dragon Quest, which is no longer the case.

Since we're also talking about DQ, is Dragon Quest 11 any good or worth downloading?

>>16444186

>>16444193

>>16444210

It honestly disgusts me how SE operates these days. I guess there's some validity in former Squaresoft CEO poking fun at SE over Twitter for their lack of vision. SE is basically driven all by suits now. I'm also beginning to think that the there is some truth to the rumors about Wada being jealous of Sakaguchi having a lot influence back in the day.

>>16444213

It's actually pretty good. Don't take my word for it, just look at the gameplay or do your own research to see it's worth it before you think of downloading.

>>16444216

I wish I could take an axe and undo the merger. I just want Enix back and FF fans want Squaresoft back. Everyone is hurt.

I missed FF when it was mostly medieval fantasy swords and sorcery. At least I have the MMO.

>>16444234

Might as well call it "Final Sci-fi" at this point.

>>16444244

Hasn't that trend in FF started in 4 or 6?

Final Fantasy doesn't feel like Final Fantasy anymore, especially with the whole sci-fi modern world bullshit and Heroes dressed as college students going into a night club.

>>16444244

I don't know, I quite enjoy Discworld.

>>16444248

Its on-and-off, FF 12 kind of pulled back on it

>>16444248

>Hasn't that trend in FF started in 4 or 6?

4 introduced Aliens and 6 introduced Magitech but were still heavily fantasy.

>Final Fantasy doesn't feel like Final Fantasy anymore, especially with the whole sci-fi modern world bullshit and Heroes dressed as college students going into a night club.

Don't forget that cars and motorcycles are a thing too. "Final Sci-fi" would be a better name. All they did was also Final Fantasy onto the game. If you get rid of chocobos, crystals and the iconic spells, it's easy to sell it as a completely different IP.

>>16444253

Then again Discworld had a great author so that probably helps.

>>16444256

They should keep heavy fantasy more often.

>>16444262

Evil empire is an overused trope that generally grates because it's never executed with any amount of nuance. As for magitek, I don't especially mind, but what FF has isn't really magitek, just bland sci-fi mixed in with magic bullshit, neither theme meshing particularly well with the other (this is most apparent with XIII and XV).

Magitek should be less plastic with glowing LEDs and more steampunk.

>>16444276

>Magitek should be less plastic with glowing LEDs and more steampunk.

At that point its not even Magitek and its more like a Victorian fantasy. The point of Magitek is that it combines modern electronic technology with magic

>>16444276

>what FF has isn't really magitek, just bland sci-fi mixed in with magic bullshit, neither theme meshing particularly well with the other

I haven't played XV, but from the videos that I looked at, it really feels weak, same with Type-0 which has the same problems.

I don't even care what kind of visual theme they want to present, just make it consistent.

IX had a dominant style and it worked really well even with space age tech thrown in for the last several hours.

>>16443826

X-2 loops, so you can still get the other endings in the next playthrough.

>>16444364

It was all done to sell strategy guides back then.

Not that that makes it acceptable, but there was a reason behind such design decisions.

>>16443826

10-2 works around the new game+, keeping a record of which events you saw on the previous playthrough. You won't need to 100% it in one pass

>>16444262

evil empire actually started in 2

>>16444262

>4 started the evil empire thing

try 2

Can I just take this opportunity to say that I detest when games put in missables in 20+ hour playthroughs? Especially since Final Fantasy games love do things like this.

If the game can be beaten in like an hour or even five, no big deal, just replay the game and get/do what is missable next time.

But if it's a game like an RPG, fuck that shit.

I don't want to restart my 80+ save file just because I didn't steal from a certain boss, or equip a certain skill to get an item.

Yeah, I know some of you will say it's just an item or random character, no big deal.

But why the hell even do it like that in the first place?

Do people really think it's fun to lock the player out of content just because?

For example, you can miss out on recruiting Shadow in FF6 in the later part of the game if you don't do an arbitrary method that no one would figure out on their own without luck.

Or how you can miss out on the best shield in Final Fantasy Tactics if you don't Move/Find Item on the proper tile that isn't normally accessible in a one time battle with some tough enemies around.

>>16443978

only no taste plebs hate on VIII, take spoony's cock out of your mouth

>>16443939

Except DQIII was the only good one and in particular IV, V, and VI suck.

>>16444000 (checked)

Both DQ and FF just limped along during the 8 and 16 bit eras. It was during the mid to late 90s that things changed, with Enix closing their American office (and causing DQ5 and 6 to go unreleased in English for decades) and Square and Sony marketing the fuck out of FFVII's release ensuring it would sell gang busters. That was when FF began to supersede DQ in popularity. Also didn't help that when Enix did come back stateside, they brought over DQ7 only months before FFX dropped. The visual disparity did little to get burgers into DQ.

>>16445444

Your opinion doesn't even count tornigger

>>16445453

The problem was FFVIII was the first in the series caught between fanboy FFVI and FFVII camps.

>>16445453

>micromanaging GFS for stat bonuses

GFs affect the character stat growth? I just stick the same GFs with the same characters for the whole game. It's not like it's ever hard enough to need any extra stats.

>>16444262

>6

No? At least 3 had airships and V had some tech too

>>16443978

I think Japan went thru some sort of phase where jpop, cosplay, and spiky hair was used as a way to stand out from the sea of black hair and pixelated genitals. FF always had pomp and regal themes to it, but the fashion brought in a disease that overtook it and it hasn't been cured. DQ barely changes and that is good for those who like it. Meanwhile SaGa fucks off and was better than both. This is the sad way of the world.

>>16445484

No, they don't. Espers in FF6 affected stat growth and the best ones showed up endgame, so you had to keep your main team at low levels until the end. Retarded.

FF8 is the correct implementation of this; the characters only matter insofar as their Limit Breaks. Everything else can be changed. It's more about which combination of GFs you have equipped and what Magic you have access to.

>>16445598

I did this a year or two ago and fucked up my Last Remnant 100% save file. I had 3 save files on the go, was power gaming, doing all the quests, etc., and I got stuck at one of the bosses in the Six Forts. I beat him and immediately saved and then ran off to beat and and saved again, and missed one conversation with a side character and couldn't go back

>>16445366

I used to get bothered by that but it really doesn't matter 90% of the time, since it's generally just extras and secrets you don't need to find to beat the game, and usually were a just reward for searching around and experimenting with stuff and also to sell strategy guides. With the internet, though, everyone just got used to getting everything handed to them for zero effort.

>>16445608

>HAD TO keep low levels

Only if you were a min-maxing faggot, since the game's difficulty doesn't warrant that at all.

>>16445762

Anon, there already was an FFX-3.

https://4playernetwork.com/blog/2014/01/final-fantasy-x-25-or-square-enix-is-ruining-basically-everything/

http://archive.fo/suFQs

Yes, it's real.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2.5_~Eien_no_Daish%C5%8D~

I tried to archive and the text disappeared, so if someone could call me a faggot and do it correctly I'd appreciate it.

>>16445780

>>16445797

X-2 was already shit and shouldn't be considered canon.

>>16445750

I meant in the sake of powergaming though. On a normal run, you'll get minimal use of like, Bahamut and friends because you'll already be like level 40-60 by then and that'll be that.

>>16445762

But I don't want a FF game with all men, that's why I didn't buy FF15.

>>16445804

>The new fayth has revived all dead life on Spira.

>Sin is reborn anew.

This seems really interesting but everything that builds up to this is absolute garbage. Why wouldn't you just start 2.5 on that premise? Cut all the cringe build-up and just go from there at the end of X-2. Tidus is back but oops, Sin is too and lots of really old gods / threats from the past / parallel universes. Let's have an adventure slaugthering innocent fayths and playing Russian roulette with Tidus existence at stake. Put a connundrum at the end of the road so that Yuna has to kill Tidus or some shit I don't know. Aren't there guys on SE payroll to imagine cool stuff?

>>16443826

Were FFX and FFX-2 the pinnacle of bullshit JRPG design?

Nope, that title belongs to FFXIII. FFX's background designs are way too detailed, they need to be massive ass corridors like FFXIII's

>>16445871

There's nothing wrong with Final Boy Band 15.

>>16445921

Except: The Combat, The Plot, Characters, Worldbuilding (Or lack of thereof), Art direction, Summons, DLC, Ending and literally the only decent thing out of K-Pop XV was the Regalia

>>16445922

And let's not forget that Square dumped Stella (An actually interesting character) for that generic ass whore Lunafreya whose only existence is reduced to being a plot device

>>16445837

I'll give it to you that it's very inuntuitive at least.

>>16447200

Oh I forgot about those.

>>16445124

FFX wasn't awful so by modern standards its amazing, quality in vidya has become so shit that its pathetic.

>>16447200

Oh fuck you're absolutely right. I had forgotten all about those. I was only thinking of the +X% shit

>>16448976

You should have been able to choose Quistis instead of Rinoa, she is clearly the best girl.

>>16449148

Reminder that Rinoa did everything wrong.

Quistis was one of my first vidya crushes.

>>16445124

The gut punch in X was realizing that there was no 3d world map. Worthy entry to the series beyond that.

>>16445366

>But why the hell even do it like that in the first place?

Replayability.

>Do people really think it's fun to lock the player out of content just because?

Yes. You complete your first playthrough blind, you check a guide afterwords and realize that there's a ton of optional content you inadvertently skipped, and now you've got a bunch of shit to look forward to for your second playthrough.

>>16445608

>FF8 is the correct implementation of this

Level scaling so that the "correct" way of playing the game is a couple hours of triple triad at the start, getting encounters-none, and just staying low level while you blow through the entire game because there are precisely zero benefits to leveling up at all? Don't get me wrong, I love me some triple triad, but mechanically, 8 is an abortion, and if you're playing it properly it's a walking sim with boss battles.

>>16449076

We're getting good new games at about the same rate since the golden age ended with the arrival of gen 6.

>>16449855

>Level scaling so that the "correct" way of playing the game is a couple hours of triple triad at the start, getting encounters-none, and just staying low level while you blow through the entire game because there are precisely zero benefits to leveling up at all?

This isn't true at all. The game is balanced whether you stay low level or not, which avoids the pitfall of every other RPG of getting too strong just from walking from place to place.

>>16450351

>This isn't true at all

Yes it is.

>The game is balanced whether you stay low level or not

No, it's not. The entirety of your power comes from your junctioned spells. You can junction 99x top-tier spells to strength and health that you've converted from cards obtained right from the start which lets you instantly annihilate every mandatory encounter all the way through the entire game. If you level, enemy HP and damage scales faster than your largely static buffed stats do, which means you're actually getting weaker as you level, thus the player is incentivized to avoid leveling at all costs. Great RPG mechanic, huh?

>which avoids the pitfall of every other RPG of getting too strong just from walking from place to place

Which Final Fantasy allows the player to become "too strong just from walking from place to place"? Must be some real big brained nigger shit going on that I'm missing.

So this shit just dropped today. What do you faggots think?

>>16452669

>You can junction 99x top-tier spells

>can

Funny how you also moved the goalposts from leveling to other shit you can do to beef up a character.

>>16452689

>People play cards for 10 hours at the start of the game and then go fetch Squall's best weapon and limit break immediately, then complain the game is too easy

>>16452684

Looks like shit.

>>16452697

Is there an FF8 randomizer, that changes which GFs you get / the abilities on them? And/or lets you cut/skip a good chunk of the story?

>>16452689

>>16452697

See: >>16445608

Then my response: >>16449855

Christ you niggers are stupid.

>>16444364

Woah, what is the sauce for this? Reverse image search isn't helping.

>>16452705

>Christ you niggers are stupid.

>says the nigger complaining about the game turning into a walking simulator after purposefully turning encounters off

DSP is that you?

>>16452723

Why are you defending level scaling? Are you one of those mongoloids who pretends shitblivion's level scaling was actually good?

>>16452684

I wish they'd just remake FF7 instead of skinning it into a hat for Kingdom Hearts to wear.

>>16452684

Are those different voice actors for Cloud and Sephiroth? Changing Cloud is understandable because the previous "cannon" actor can't do anything other than mopey and depressed, changing Sephiroth I don't know about, he sounds super generic compared to the previous actor.

>>16452834

Didn't Square-Enix say before that the positive reception towards the classic styling of Bravely Default was "shocking" or something to them? Though, I suppose that doesn't mean they're actually willing to try that when they've sunk such a high amount of money into a remake at this point, and doing so would imply Square-Enix was smart.

>>16452777

I laughed way too hard when he said "Only I can ruin everything"

>>16452868

Dissidia really has it's moments.

>>16443978

The massive success of VII meant that everyone in charge could afford a reckless cocaine-and-hookers kind of lifestyle for a while and the games following it reflect that.

>>16452865

They're retarded failed movie makers at this point. They really need to just die and let some other competent company take their IP's.

>>16453227

it's almost definitely going to be similar to her advent children design. So yes.

>>16452834

>Because nomura believes that Gamers these days wouldn't be able to sit through an old school battle system like the original final fantasies?

That's fucking absurd to think when we live in a world where Persona 5 sold like hotcakes in both Japan and the west. I think Nomura just has a personal vendetta against turn-based gameplay, not a single game he's ever directed has it.

>>16452684

For all the shit this is going to be, I'm kind of wondering if they'll implement the entire roster of enemies and not just bosses. I see they decided to entirely scrub the prostitute angle, they missed a good joke there.

>>16452684

>Barrett's name has one T instead of two

Looks like they'll still be writing Avalanche and Soldier in all caps and calling Zax "Zack", too. Forgive my autism, but is it still to hard for them to use the correct translation now that 20 years have passed and the Beacause mod has been finished?

>>16453950

I'm pretty sure they're using the old names because that's what most people remember.

It's way too late to be changing that stuff now.

>>16452684

Well, they already said they were strictly against turn-based combat before, so that didn't surprise me.

If they can shit out a half-decent combat system I think everyone will be happy.

They already have old, memorable designs and if they don't fuck them up they'll have a remake that will print more money than your average central bank.

It might be worth a pirate, but it'll probably be mediocre at best.

>>16453797

Such a negative nancy

>>16454016

>also aeris looks weird?

Jessie looks worse

>>16454016

>FFX

>good story

Pick one and only one.

>>16454220

Apart from the face and hair, she looks almost exactly like that art.

>>16454273

>>16454367

Just because its story has nifty ideas doesn't mean its good. It's still told through badly acted and translated unskippable cutscenes.

>So its good,

No, as a game it's even worse, with linearity that inspired FFXIII.

>>16454486

The only one that's a ripoff of Star Wars is 12.

>>16454497

Well 12 clearly is a ripoff with the direct story, but a ton of the games ape off of Star Wars a ton. IV and VI come to mind as a big offenders. Or it could just be Japanese media being Japanese media, Star Wars ripped off a ton of Japanese shit anyway.

>>16443826

>playing X-2

Found your problem.

>>16454945

>$10 price cut for the next chapter

That image is too generous.

>>16444047

I don't think there is any serious, non-bait argument against 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 12 being "good" games. I don't even like all the games mentioned above, but I can discriminate between taste and quality. 6 bores me to tears, and I basically detest 10, but they're both good games. Meanwhile, 4 is my favourite, but I don't think it's objectively the "best", it just appeals to me more (for various reasons).

>>16454945

You forgot the drag costume for Cloud as another DLC along with the DLCs of each party member date besides Barret and Nanaki since those are the only ones for free

>>16443826

>Were FFX and FFX-2 the pinnacle of bullshit JRPG design?

No, not even close

>>16455169

They're too old and outdated by now.

>>16443826

My Final Fantasy would be to stick my tits in between Tifa's dicks if you know what I mean.

>>16456724

Its not the first time FF characters have been used in commercials. I remember the FFIX cast in a coca-cola one.

>>16443978

IX was good

I actually Bought Zodiac age for the Switch and it still isn't open due to time;

I've had a craving for some FF11 and always had a love for the Ivalice games since FFTA, am I in for a good time? Or should I just fuck around on a private FF11 server or resub

>>16444248

>>16444258

FF1 had a goddamn space station and a flying boat built by an ancient technologically advanced civilization. It's been magitek from the start.

>>16444262

2 started the evil empire.

>>16459394

>should I play this game I bought

>Dumbasses keep thinking the battle system in the 7 remake is XV and not a modernized turn based system

Tired of the stupidity.

>>16459332

>They're too old and outdated by now

Is this bait? That's a meaningless statement. Make a statement with actual substance. Is your complaint with the graphics? The game mechanics? The narrative, plot, writing or characterization?

>>16459406

>It's been magitek from the start

The (relatively low-key) presence of magitek elements as well as ancient technology in FF is one thing, the increasing abandonment of the "fantasy" aesthetic has been noticeable and mostly one-sided, 9 being a notable exception to the trend of "sci-fi-ification".

In early FF settings, in-game people would have thought of technology as magic, whereas beginning with 7, it seems to be the opposite, that people begin to think of magic as technology. 6 is an odd example because it explicitly deals with the issue of the magic/technology line.

>>16459434

So it's either 15 or 13, both are shit.

>>16459532

>wanting to play FF13

>>16459491

Anyone who thinks FF7R isn't just going to be 15 with a coat of Advent Children paint is either brain damaged or a literal shill.

Also:

>modernized turn based system

This is a red-flag, the implied non-argument is that turn-based systems were meant to deal with technological limitations. I never encountered anyone who though that that wasn't a font of cancer.

I loved the gunblade critical triggers in FF8 but the Junction System still sucks. You basically just draw and card until you are OP or you can just breeze through the game if you do not level up too much.

Overall the JS ruined the game.

>>16459622

post it, apparently it's within >>16459676 tastes.

>>16459676

>boldly proclaiming one's love of utter garbage

>not even arguing that it's good

I'm not sure whether to be disgusted or impressed.

Should we have gotten an FFX 0.5 instead of X-2?

>>16459710

neither. but I do like the fuck out of yuna's desing for FFX-2

>>16459676

Your tastes are utter shit.

>>16459676

>I know what i like

Do you like scat?

ITT people obsessed with games they don't like at all.

If you were playing for story you were always doing it fucking wrong. Thanks for killing the genre.

>>16460389

>Nomura's personal vanity

XIII was Toriyama

>>16460389

>this picture is 14 years old

>these twinks are now at least 32 years old

I wonder if they kept themselves slim. especially that brasil ass.

>>16460636

I well I bought and played the game and it is as bad as everyone in this thread has said.

>>16459338

My Final Fantasy would be to miscegnate with Tifa if you know what I mean.

>>16445601

What are you? Some kind of nerd?

>>16459948

>wants to play FF13

>bought a computer to FF13

<gets shit on

>f-fuck you, I know what I like

>FF13 is shit but if you point that out ur dum

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>you don't play games

I bought 13 on release you dumb fuck, and brought it back the next day, it was the first FF I ever dropped, because it it's not just the first truly bad Final Fantasy, it's one of the worst JRPGs I've ever played.

>>16461265

I never played them or even payed attention to them, so I'm not in a position to make judgements about them, and I consider the MMOs spin-offs rather than mainline entries anyway, despite the numbering. I personally like 8, but there are "serious, non-bait" arguments against it being a good game, so I left it out.

>>16455061

>dlc episodes

>button mashing "jrpg"

Why do people buy into this shit? So far this is getting as far from the original FF7 as it can possibly get. Also wouldn't a turnbased battle system require less animation work so they can potentially work on the world, add cool side missions and shit? Jesus fuck what are these execs thinking?

>>16443826

That's a great reaction image, anon. Just wanted to let you know.

>>16461403

Suits are busy witch chasing normalfags and they want MUH GRAPHICS, cinematic action, and easy as fuck dumbed down gameplay mechanics. Thanks to that consoles lost all the edge they had over PC games (consoles will always loose when it comes to graphics) actually finished and polished games on day 1, no DLC bullshit and unique games from different genres.

>>16452684

>no tifa

OH NO NO NO NO NO AH AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAA

>>16461462

>ARR is "what if Guild Wars 2 wasn't an atrocity."

ARR is "what if World of Warcraft had a Final Fantasy theme."

>>16461982

Odd, I'd argue that it's the culmination of everything else in the entire series. While it's maybe not the most fair thing to say since base FFXI is bland as fuck, every expansion pack added more color, and more exciting final story areas.

And the bigger irony being that the FFXI goblin you posted, among many other monster designs, has become the canon appearance for them.

>>16443826

You just aren't familiar with the genre or possibly mentally retarded. I never got deep into the genre but I never got lost playing FFX. In fact the games got some of the most linear easy progression of the series. Very good game though.

I'm not sure which FF to play next. I was thinking either NES FF1, FF2 SNES which would be FF4 I guess? Also was thinking to maybe just play 8 or 9 since I haven't played those yet either.

>>16462073

Color be damned. Each expansion made the settings worse. Areas in vanilla FFXI were fuckhuge, had a ton of secrets (most of which lead to other areas just as big), and great use of vertical space to make rolling hills on plains, actual mountain paths, or vast cave systems. Then comes Chains of Promathia, and suddenly the areas are now the typical corridors of cliffs that railroad the player to their destination that we see in modern games. Aht Urgan doubled down on that, with areas generally being 1/4th to 1/3rd the size of vanilla areas and again following the railroad design philosophy with near zero use of vertical space.

I'm about 1 hour in each to FF8,10, and 13. Tell me which one to play. Yes I have X-2 and the FF13 sequels(all pirated). I don't have a particular interest in any of them, and got done replaying 7 recently. Just wanted to try one but cannot decide.

>>16473048

Power through 13, it gets better at the end. Then play 13-3, which is good the whole time.

>>16473048

If you played 7 recently, 8 is a good choice.

>>16475525

Never seen it, but from what I understand he's a retard who sits there for hours drawing magic and that propagated the idea that you need to draw magic in FF8.

>>16473082

>>16473083

I drew the numbers out of a hat and am going to play 13 first. I never played it when it first came out, so it doesn't have the Final Hallway 13 connotation as it does to other people.

>>16473174

I recently broke out of my shell of not liking JRPGs that werent 7,6 and Mario&Luigi games. These were the games I had on my PS3 so, to hell with it, ill play em.

>>16473076

Its got my favorite beginnings of all the games. Blitzball Tournament. Winning that was a challenge and well worth it. It just sucks it wasn't a bigger part of the story. Wakka basically becomes useless to the story afterwards. He's just there going "Gas the Al Behds raceward now" And "Muh Yevon" and thats fucking it. Its a fucking travesty what they do to the best character in the fucking game.

>>16475582

> never played it when it first came out

>connotation

I tried it out last year and the linear hallway shit comes from the environments literally playing themselves, tilting the joystick automatically makes you jump over linear pits and there's nobody to interact with beyond copypaste enemy encounters.

>>16445453

It was a love story between CaptainEmo and his girlfriend Doesntloveyoulikequistisdoes. There were neat things that happened along the way, but it keeps coming back to boring coincidental bullshit. Also you can just easily abuse basically all of its mechanics on the first disc super early in the game if I remember correctly. I can see why it gets a lot of hate.

>>16475737

Name someone who's better. Or, rather, you could have but you didn't, because there is nobody better.

>>16475761

It's just Bender with a retarded accent, never mind his va being a pedophile. X doesn't have good characters beyond Auron, Rikku and japanese Tidus.

>>16475737

Wakka is absolutely the strongest character in the game with Attack Reels. Narrative wise, he also has the most development, going from hating the Al-Bhed to realizing he's basically related to one, and all the while experiencing an existential crisis that breaks his faith with the religion his entire island believes in.

I'd say he is overall the best character.

>>16475809

>It's just Bender

>A simple man who loves church, family, and sports in that order. His will is entirely engulfed by blind faith, but he loves his imouto enough to press on in a journey that challenges all his beliefs.

>Exactly the same as an amoral robot who lives for excess, hates everyone, and driven entirely by his ego.

They're both bros to the protagonist and that's about it. Why on earth did you think this was an apt comparison?

The actions of a VA also have no bearing on the character they portray.

>>16475863

Going to church isn't a character you fucking loser, if that was the case then X is worse than Bioshit marxist writing.

>>16475937

>going to church isn't a character trait

>having religious values isn't a character trait

>Tries to deflect and misrepresent rather than respond to criticism

I don't know why I bothered giving a retard like you a (you) let alone two.

>>16475966

It's not when the character is nothing else beyond that when everyone that isn't al bhed or a guido is religious in the fucking game you stupid bastard.

>>16475582

There are far, far better JRPGs out there than to feel a need to have even put something like Final Fantasy XIII in your backlog.

>>16476910

>The VII remake is going to be terrible, isn't it?

Obviously.

They can fag up the mainline series as much as they like, the only one I care about anymore is FF11.

But I would kill for a new Tactics game.

>>16477174

>FFT2

>its just a repurposed Valkyrie Profile 2

>TFW you will never get a good Final Fantasy spin-off where you are a loli with a crystal arm piloting huge magitek armor Armored Core style.

Can also say World of Final Fantasy makes me want to literally fuck God.

>>16443826

I never bothered to play ffx2. Looked like shit

>>16475525

> At least he knows who bestgirl is.

Indeed. This is why ff8 was a fucking joke. FF7 you could get which chick you were into. FF8 railroads Quistis hard.

I've never played the series so started 7 recently since it's the one most people will agree is the best. I thought the story was good and interesting enough at all times to keep me invested throughout, although the translation really drags it down in some places. Some of the goofy moments really jarred with the serious tone, the scene in TotA with Cait Sith right after finding out about the black materia being an example. Combat was just above average. Fun to mess around with materia but most encounters were just

>spam all-magic until dead

I didn't like how the party members had no distinct roles beyond limit breaks. It takes away an element of strategy and decision making, during boss fights especially. The gameplay in terms of traversing the map and areas was good. Most of the minigames were fine other than snowboarding which had terrible controls. The music was really good and added a lot of emotion to the story segments. Definitely the thing that drags this game down nowadays are the graphics. It really does take away an element of immersion when your characters look like lego bricks. Also Red XIII was a useless character with literally no relevance to the plot beyond breaking him out in Shinra HQ. I don't know why people shit on Cait Sith when he's a much more interesting character in regards to the plot than Red XIII.

I'm now playing 10 and I'm 20 hours in at the point where you get washed up on the Al Bhed island. The story so far is good enough with the whole Sin thing and not really knowing what it is, along with killing Seymour. It's an interesting turn since games like this usually paint the main party as being universally good, although I suspect Seymour is just tricking them and isn't really dead. The characters so far are average or shit. Tidus would be infinitely better and more tolerable if japanese voice acting was available. His voice is so fucking screechy and obnoxious even at points that are meant to be sombre or serious. It's obvious the voice actor was out of his depth for the role. Kimahri infuriates me both in the sense that he's completely useless and expendable to the party and in the fact that he treats Tidus like shit while worshipping Yuna yet the game hasn't explained why he's so protective of her. I guess they wanted to copy the useless asshole dog trope from FF7. Lulu is just there. Like Kimahri, I have no idea why she exists other than because they needed a black mage character and someone with big tits. The rest are all decent enough characters, but obviously Yuna and Auron stand out since the whole game is centered on them. The combat so far is fine. Better than 7 but it feels like rock paper scissors most of the time. I wish magic wasn't so pivotal to most of the boss fights. It makes it so Lulu gets way more use than the other party members. The gameplay in terms of traversing the world is definitely a huge step down from 7. Even though 7 was linear in terms of story, it still felt like you were traversing an open world that was visually interesting for the most part. 10 has literally just been corridors so far with a branch leading off to a temple here or there. The environments themselves are really boring: a grassy plane, a desert, a snowy area, a forest. The towns are a lot more visually interesting at least but they're few and far between. The graphics are decent but look dated in a lot of places. I can't help but laugh when Lulu, Kimahri and Auron all walk in unison like robots, or when the others are having a serious discussion and Rikku is just doing her goofy animations in the background. So far it's decent enough to keep me hooked with the story and combat but I can't see myself replaying it in the future, whereas I'd replay 7. It just feels much more unique and interesting. 10 has been streamlined to the point of taking away personality in my opinion.

Probably going to play 4 next but not sure which after that. Would you say 10-2 is worth playing? I've read that it ruins 10's plot and character development.

>FF7 condor defense minigame

I have never even tried doing that shit in almost 20 years simply because of how much there info the game just throws at you.

Is it worth it?

>>16485176

Yeah it's actually very simple, explained in the most convoluted way possible. You get a handful of units that do one specific thing, and you position them as best you can, and then watch how it plays out. It's a very simple and clunky tower defence, more than a proper RTS.

Give it a go, because I'm 100% certain it will be considered "filler" that will be removed in the remake, because modern SE is allergic to all the sorts of random fun things that made the golden age of JRPGs good.

>>16485033

>Seifer is dominating the fight

Uh it was even until he used magic, got his cut in, and then got cut back.

any xiv players?

>>16484943

>I didn't like how the party members had no distinct roles beyond limit breaks. It takes away an element of strategy and decision making, during boss fights especially.

That element was changed over to materia so that you can have your strategy regardless of party member the story sticks you with. That being said you are wrong, because the stat builds of the characters are not the same and they are more suited for some particular roles than others.

>>16485263

Sure but those are minor stat differences.

It's not as if the main game ever gets hard enough that you ever need to take those into consideration. Maybe against the superbosses but I'm sure even then you can use any party member as long as you have the right equipment and materia.

>>16485279

What FF are you thinking about when you imagine one where you were seriously limited by the characters talents and had a choice in party composition to use them in a strategy? FF1-3 your entire party is built how you want them to be either from the start or as you play in FF2. FFIV and FFVI both restrict your options to what the game gives you and FFVI only stops doing that toward the end of the game. FFV falls into the same category as FF-FFIII in being able to build your party how you want.

My problem with this complaint about FF7 is that it is often made by FFVI fans who think FFVI embodies the spirit of FF and FFVII just "seriously departed from that" when FFVII comes closer to FF-FFIII&FF5 in how you handle your party but uses materia instead of job classes to do it.

>>16484943

>Would you say 10-2 is worth playing? I've read that it ruins 10's plot and character development.

X-2 completely ruins the entire impact of X, particularly Yuna's character. There are interesting story ideas in X-2 but instead of handling it seriously it's handled like a cheap moe anime with gaudy fanservice and horrible additions to the game's setting. However, if you completely ignore the plot and the fact Yuna becomes a fucking slut, X-2 is one of the best FF games out there. The battle system is like V on steroids. It's got an incredibly autistic 100% completion run that demands, amongst other things, several replays and not skipping any of the million hidden cutscenes and dialogues. It's really fun to play, it's just a shame it's stuck with a raped Spira setting.

How do you measure if you're "good" at final fantasy games? or rpgs in general?

Fighting games, platformers, racing games, shooting, all pretty easy to tell when you're good and see how you've progressed skill-wise as a player. But with FF…how does that work?

>>16485328

You can at low level with shit equipment.

>>16485350

know any youtube examples of that?

>>16485362

No, I know examples of myself doing that. It isn't even something to really be that proud of as anyone (who isn't retarded) with some dedication and knowledge about the game can do it unlike a game that requires physical skill.

>>16485666

Yuna in X-2 acts nothing like who she was in X. She dresses like a slut, doesn't take things seriously, is a pop star, and has a completely different personality. The entire world of X-2 is retarded and absolutely not worth experiencing. The gameplay of it isn't even that good and comparing it to V, let alone saying that it is better than V, is an insult. The dress mechanics are the worst implementation of job classes in any of the games that I have played.

>>16485253

Squall over exerts himself, so even though it starts even It's Squall's fatigue that gives Seifer the opening for a Fireball.

X-2 is fucking garbage for a few reasons, but the biggest offender is that they took the cool battle system they had in X and threw it all away for a fucking ATB system. ATB is a retarded, gay middleman between turn-based combat and actual ARPG systems. It's so shit and I fucking hate it and I don't understand how you could ever like it.

>>16486822

Fucking hated the ATB in 9 as well, though it wasn't X-2 levels of dick. Chrono Trigger was a while ago, probably should replay it. But having a turn-based system in which the enemy can get several turns as long as you don't do anything pisses me off and stresses me out.

>>16486869

You're gonna hate 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. Although 7 amped it up where enemies act even when using stuff like Tifa's limit break hitting the slots. 6 will stop everything for the martial arts inputs which is good because the game is bad at explaining how that shit works.

I remember playing ffx for a few hours before i hacked in all the shit for triple XP I hated ffX's grind.

FFX-2 didn't feel anywhere near as grindy. although the need for a guide is the hamstring on it. and i love the ap leveling up system and i loved the active combat.

If you want the good ending you gotta do ALL THE THINGS. Even do a dating/matchup thing and get EVERY question right.

Also terra is the ultimate char.

>>16486869

ATB was pretty bad in 9, because of the 4 member party size and the long move animations.

>>16486876

I feel like I should still play 7 because everyone fucking loves that game and I kinda wanna see what the hype is about.

>>16486895

>ATB was pretty bad in 9

Don't remind me. Enjoyed most of everything else in the game. The parts with the elemental guardians especially gave me a bit of a "I CLAPPED BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THAT IS" moment since FF1 PSP was my first FF.

>>16486911

That's understandable, but don't put your expectations too high. Most hype is perpetuated by people who never played it.

>>16487006

no one ever hypes 6.

>>16486362

This is purely your imagination at work. Seifer manages a good parry and then does a fire spell. The fight isn't meant to convey Seifer being superior at all. It is meant to convey Seifer being more ruthless and antagonistic toward Squall. The whole dual scars kinda blows the one being superior to the other in fighting at that point out the window. Once Seifer draws blood on Squall the sparring is over and Squall draws blood right back. Seifer took it to where it wasn't supposed to go as evidenced by his being reprimanded for it in the classroom. He basically pulled a sucker punch with his fire spell in a gunblade duel.

>>16486869

>having to think a bit faster than a Slug and react a bit faster than a Sloth

>GUYS IM STRESSED OUT

video games are not for you

Been a while since I played any FF but Im sure you can set the ATB to "wait" in most if not all of them

>>16487026

They are good foils to each other though. One black, one white (symbolizes villainy in nipland), both with a similar fighting style and upbringing. Hell they both even become Sorceress' Knights, though Squall just kinda has it put on him.

Seifer is superior though. His base stat growth is higher than Squall, though its irrelevant since you only have him for 5 minutes anyways

>>16487025

Because people who love 6 are either too busy shitting on 7 or praising 7 because they loved it more.

>>16487026

The key there being "you find out later", which is what I mean talking about the game's impression of being crazy. Seifer and Squall don't look like they were ever students having an honorable duel, from the get go it looks like a duel to the death between hated enemies so Seifer throwing a fireball doesn't look like he's crossing any lines. Rinoa isn't supposed to be unsettling either but the intro FMV does a good job making her come off as uncanny as all hell. FF8 just keeps doing shit like that the whole time.

>>16487091

Limit breaks matter more than base stats in FF8, and Squall's is clearly better.

>>16487070

I'm not supposed to have to think fast in a turn-based RPG, that's why they're fucking turn-based.

>>16487091

>his base stat growth is superior

Squall's standard limit break is better than anything Seifer can do though, let alone Lion Heart.

>>16487099

Should have responded to this in my other post, but I fucked up

>you find out later

Do you always stick to assumptions you make about characters and the plot that you witnessed in the first 30 seconds? Yeah you may have gotten that impression before you knew shit, but so what? You didn't know their names, or how they act either, but that is revealed to you shortly after and adds context to what you saw before.

I still disagree with you regarding that duel. Even without further information Seifer had one attack on Squall that hadn't yet been matched, that being the fire spell, but that spell was only an opening to cut Squall. Squall cut Seifer right back and then it fades out so if we just went by retarded assumptions as you do for all we know Seifer died right then.

>>16487157

I think it's free to play for new players up to a certain level.

>>16487134

>but so what?

This constant tonal shift just leaves an overall surreal quality to the story. Even without the second half after Squall gets impaled. I figured the first impression by the opening scene being in complete contrast is a good example of this.

Except the duel I don't think you and I will agree on how that outcome plays out.

>>16487163

I'm aware of that but the bulk of a game is after level 35, the trial cutoff. That's just teasing me, trying to get my shekels which they will not.

>>16487168

>This constant tonal shift just leaves an overall surreal quality to the story. Even without the second half after Squall gets impaled.

It is set in a world with magic. I personally never thought anything was surreal about Squall being hit through the shoulder with an ice shard and then waking up in a prison where he was to be interrogated. He was obviously healed while unconscious. You have to stretch it pretty far to make that surreal or strange in anyway and that is exactly what retarded theorists due with shit like "squall died and the rest of the game is a dream while dying." It wasn't even a fatal injury in real life with immediate medical care let alone in a world that has instant healing spells.

>>16487214

Well I'm not sure if there are any private servers for FF14, but there probably are for FF11 and WoW (if Blizzard hasn't killed them all)

>>16487206

Fair enough.

>>16487515

>Take 2 steps

>random battle

>take 5 steps

>Random battle

>take 1 step

>random battle

>turn around

>random battle

Ok now this is the FF I remember and love.

ROMASAGA 3 WHEN

>>16487772

not FF.

>>16487777

Neither was Dragon Quest.

Just for my knowledge so I know what to avoid, but have there been any Final Fantasy games that have gay assfaggot Characters?

>>16487796

FF13 has an Australian pink-haired girl and a faux-Australian black-haired girl who might be lesbians, but that's about as close as it gets in terms of actual characters.

FF7 has the Honeybee Inn sequence, where you're baited into thinking Cloud's gonna spend time with hookers only to have his room get flooded with a horde of bara-types, but that was done as a joke.

tfw Tifa will never kick as much ass in any official material as well as she did in Dead Fantasy

>>1648781

Amano's art is great, minus some of the effeminate poses.

>>16487812

>ff7 joke part

ya just a gaff

Glad the series isn't pozed (Yet)

>>16487829

I have never liked Amano's art. Even while playing through FF6 on the SNES i always looked at Setzer and wondered why he was some kind of zombie.

>>16487842

>to me it's a big turn off

Back to your safe space.

>>>/christian/

>>16487842

well shit you probably shouldnt play xenogears either

>>16487854

avoided it for a long time because of that, and because I heard that last disc is unfinished just text shite

>>16487849

Another wAY to look at it is that a made up religion just happend to be corrupted/false, not religion in general

doesn't actually address the issue of God. Right?

>>16487875

Allow me to expand on the second point. The message is never "wow, there was a weird cult; glad our protagonists sorted that shit out". It is always "you were duped into believing something, this is a moral parable about the necessity of casting off silly superstition and living however you feel". The priestess in Grandia II has a whole after-school special dialogue bit postgame about how much better off she is without religion, and Yuna's change between X and X-2 don't even need to be addressed.

tl;dr fuck higher morality, do whatever you want. Just be happy and true to yourself, maaaaan!

>>16487842

You think Tidus is bad now but Van tops all his bad traits with the added bonus of being even less relevant to the story.

>>16487896

Oh. I only posted the Pokemon church as an example of the universal stained glass aesthetic. Same with the Kingdom Hearts pillar. The latter two were examples of totally-not-Christian religions being charades by manipulative and malevolent not-gods.

Legendaries mostly come in threes anyways. The triangle was Palkia, Dialga, and Darkrai. Arceus was their boss. Arceus being God-with-a-capital-G is still retarded though.

Anyone replaying FF7 to get ready for the remake?

>>16487849

I think it's more a mistrust of authority. Jap spirituality is basically animism, right? Old objects gain life and divinity like they accumulate dust. Of course imported monotheism looks like an evil cult compared to that. Something new and foreign, with the supposition that it is almighty and all else is dust in the wind.

>>16487984

Japs have been buddhist for a long time. They even developed a special form of buddhism with their own Christ figure, a saviour they pray to to save them from samsara and bad rebirths.

They call him Amida Buddha.

They say he created a special realm where his followers get reborn and once there enlightenment is super easy to achieve. Anyone can become his follower and get saved no matter how many sins they commit in this life,, but they have to pray to Amida and ask for his blessings and so forth.

>>16487994

They even have a version of "the fall", they claim this world is so fallen that you can't attain enlightenment/salvation with your own effort like you could in Buddha's time (2600 years ago), but instead you need a compassionate savior, aka Amida buddha

>>16487994

>>16487996

Why I mention this is that monotheistic religions and saviors are not that foreign to the japs.

And the concept of nirvana is transcendent, non-temporal, infinite, boundless, a thing beyond this world. It's like an impersonal God.

But most japs are consumerist whores, who worship their careers and pop culture. Unfortunately much of their traditional culture is lost to them.

>>16487768

The NES version has Erdrick/Loto from DQ buried.

>>16487904

>Darkrai

Did you mean Giratina?

I don't care if it's been a few days already but niggers like this guy : >>16452834 are absolute faggots who basically kvetch as hard as the twitter trannies just because they dislike a certain dev when the guy has made his intentions crystal clear and never hid from them. Nigger, Nomura never wanted to have turn based battle systems, your alarm should have been tipped off the moment he created Shadow for FF6, a thief who now larps as a ninja with his K-9 companion as if he's fucking Hayate Musashi from Shadow Dancer and when FF7 had all those action minigames to highlight the prowess of Blonde Guts and how the cinematics did their best to show that Blond Guts and less gay Griffith are supposed to zip around the battlefield like fucking Evoluders while FF8 had the fucking trigger mechanic which he thought was brilliant. Him pleading for Cloud, Tifa and Seph to be put in Ergheiz should be number two and number three is him making Kingdom Hearts because he wanted an "Action Final Fantasy" and that his dream game was Dissidia, which is a slap fight in the style of Advent Children between the 10 heroes and villains of FF that he grew up with and worked on. It was never about your retarded excuses, the man never liked turn based combat and accepted that for his ideal gameplay to be a thing, he had to focus on side content. If anything, he respected gamers and the other devs in house, especially Sakaguchi who loves that kind of turn based system and instead worked as an illustrator on the mainline games after that.

It's after Sakaguchi left that the fucker that is Yoichi Wada who fucked up everything and basically undermined Guch so much he left after the Spirits Within, even when it didn't flop as hard as to put Square in danger. Wanna know who was behind the merger that fucked Square? Wada was. Wanna know who had the ideas for Crystal Tools and gave Motomu "Crossdressing Cloud and the gay bath scenes were my idea" Toriyama the free reign to fuck everything up with his shitty waifu Trilogy, that had to cannibalize a side game and an upcoming Valkyrie Profile game(what the fuck do you think Lightning Returns was supposed to be) to have his waifus armpits plastered all over the gaming world. It's still a fucking miracle that Nomura was able to make Kingdom Hearts II and the two Dissidia games during that period because that was the worst time for Square and what lead to its downfall we are now experiencing.

>>16454220

That's because she's dessigned by Roberto Ferrari and despite him adapting his style to be more like Nomura's, he never escaped his Tatsunoko roots. Which is not a bad thing at all

>>16454334

Except Cloud for all intents and purposes is more muscular in those FF7 remake trailers I feel sick defending that shit than he was in his original design, nstead referencing the more muscular Cloud concept art. The reason we had whinny, skinny emo Cloud was because Nomura was mimmicking Amano's artwork. Of course, FF shit talkers would never notice that because they gobble the popular AMERICAN-APPROVED FFs just like the gobble Halo just because it's in vogue for the season, like the good little goyims they are.

>>16487812

Motomu Toriyama has an unhealthy obsession with armpits and homosexuality, should be known by now.

>>16487842

Stop being a christiancuck and look at the legends surrounding the game, explore the culture instead : The story is about a priestess who summons a protector to save them from a demon raizing their lands. Tidus is meant to be Susano'o who kills Orochi, an 8 headed snake demon that may as well be a fusion of Satan's snake form and the Lernean Hydra from the greek myth. If anything it was never against religion, it was Shinto and their guardians against the literal Shinto Devil and his fake church.

>>16488573

If emo Cloud was emulating Amano's art, then where were all the beads and scarves?

>>16488573

Cloud wasn't "emo" in FF7. He was a selfish asshole at the start, then opened up and became a decent guy with terrible mental issues later on.

the emo thing is a meme, probably by later FF7 media, advent children, manga fanfic shit

>>16443826

Think that's bad? Try playing the games with fucking lightning. All of them. If you manage to keep your soul intact you can come and reply to me. you won't

Lightnings sister is the only good thing about that those games.

>>16488579

Desire becomes your morality.

>>16488328

Yeah, that one, sorry.

>>16488573

>The reason we had whinny, skinny emo Cloud was because Nomura was mimmicking Amano's artwork.

Explain the movie, you fucking faggot.

>>16488302

This is the stupidest entro to a game I've ever seen. It gives you absolutely no context as to what the game, or the world you'll be in is like. You could slap up a few scenes from godzilla or the terminator, and it would make about as much sense.

>>16489055

Triple Triad was the best fucking part of that game and to this day I'm shocked they only ever once released a physical version. Seems like seriously wasted potential

>>16489084

>it is a fact

FFIX is way shittier than VIII in every category, but none of you bandwagon faggots will ever admit that.

>>16488573

>that had to cannibalize a side game and an upcoming Valkyrie Profile game(what the fuck do you think Lightning Returns was supposed to be)

>All VP fans get now is a shitty mobage

I want the world to burn for letting this happen.

>>16489112

>FFIX is way shittier than VIII in every category,

This. It's on the level of XIII and XV in terms of shittiness, and everyone on this board knows it.

>>16445453

Why the grey block menus? That's one of my pet peeves about FF8, it just looks so drab and dull, no matter what you're doing in the world.

>>16489123

I recognize that smug collage. get off twitter you nigger

>>16489344

Nomura's Butz design is gayer with the necklace, smaller biceps, longer bangs and a really gay belt.

>>16489344

>This good enough faglord?

Have you seen the movie?

>>16489344

Has Amano done any other prominent art before? i keep thinking his artwork is familiar from something else but nothing comes to mind.

>>16487842

Does the religion in FFX even have a God? People follow its teaching but I can't remember if they actually worship Yu Yevon.

Also (semi spoilers), while the religion is portrayed as bad because they know how the Sin cycle works and don't tell anyone, its not like they are actively protecting the cycle, they just don't know what else to do. Its not like they even keep the fact the summoner dies as a secret either

>>16490556

They follow the "teachings" of Yu Yevon, but apparently don't worship him. Teachings in quotes because God only knows what those teachings are. For a game where religious faith is such a big deal, you'd think there'd be even a token amount of lore for it beyond "machina bad".

>>16490113

He's had quite a bit of work both in and out of vidya (such as Vampire Hunter D), and in terms of the latter, not just through Square (who have used him for Final Fantasy, the SNES Front Missions, and Lord of Vermillion/Arcana/Apocalypse). Really though, it's as if he's some obscure artist that you can't just look up and get a list of what all he's done.

>>16490655

>Really though, it's as if he's some obscure artist that you can't just look up and get a list of what all he's done.

Meant that he's not.

>>16490605

I think the most we got on that is Wakka saying it's "hard to keep up with." In the sense that there's a lot of strict rules to observe like how Catholics don't eat red meat on Fridays; or at least that's what I felt it meant. Of course, as you said, they never really share any of these rules with us other than "machina bad" and basic restrictions on entering the Cloisters and Fayth.

>>16490674

Is that game any good? Actually never heard of it and I love me some Amano art

>>16490717

Sounds perfect to train my japanese. Thanks anon

>>16444244

Xenogears did it right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHenfqMCoec

Zipper heads apparently hate the way Aeris/Aerith looks in the remake. Do you give a fuck?

>>16490727

He actually did art for all of the old games they jsut didn't always pick him for the final art.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b6/SaGa_Frontier_US_box_art.jpg/220px-SaGa_Frontier_US_box_art.jpg

>>16493185

shit wait that's a different guy ignore me

>>16493155

>Japs are outraged that a white woman looks like a white woman

I guess they got tired of pretending to be white.

>>16493155

she looks like Cloud in drag

if u think about it

very masculine face and jaw and nose

>>16493155

>she looks too much like a foreigner

You think?

Otakus are a fucking joke.

>>16493155

Literally who? Stop watching ecelebs.

>try to get back into rpgs

>ok here goes

>6 hours in

>FF1

>get to first real dungeon

>branching paths, multiple rooms to explore, many treasures to find

>take two steps, random encounter

>ok I'm gonna go south and see what's there

>take one step, random encounter

>take two steps, random encounter

>take one step, random encounter

>take one step, random encounter

>take one step, random encounter

>find treasure, oh neat, ok time to go east

>take one step, random encounter

>>take one step, random encounter>take one step, random encounter>take one step, random encounter>take one step, random encounter>take one step, random encounter>take one step, random encounter>take one step, random encounter>take one step, random encounter>take one step, random encounter>take one step, random encounter

>uninstall game

Well that was fun.

Now what?

>>16493408

what do nipple piercings mean anyway? Besides the girl being a worthless slut ?

>>16493415

It makes the milk come out better :^)

>>16493395

Try DS FF3, or FFCC, the rings of fate for more action RPG

>>16493455

FF3 (psp) is one of my favourite rpgs, somehow the encounter rate didn't bog the game down and ruin the pacing.

I can't remember why? What was special about it? How come I blasted through it so smoothly??

>>16493395

One of the hidden mechanics in FF1 is that certain tiles are "spiked" to always force you into a random encounter. There's no way of knowing which tiles will do this without a map. It's really stupid and I'm surprised future titles didn't remove it, what with how much effort they put into making it easier/less broken with later releases.

>>16493494

wew that sounds retarded.

What's the quintessential Final Fantasy to play, the "final" fantasy, if you will. The one game to rule them all?

I've beat 7, 3,4, and got half way through 8 and 9 and 10.

>>16493568

The general consensus, if you get the faggots to stop arguing for five minutes, is 6, 7, and 9 are the best of the numbered games and Tactics is damn good, too. I think each game differs to such a degree that none of them are necessarily true; 4 probably comes closest since all the characters are also specific classes, followed by 1, 3, and 5 since the classes are more distinct. You should probably play 6 since you haven't yet, and i'll add that Strago is the only true blue mage, since he can't change his job like in 5, it's not equipment (materia) based like in 7, and he needs to actually take the attack to learn it unlike psuedo-blue mages in 8 and after.

>>16493494

Most of those tiles are in front of important spots like treasure cheats.

>It's really stupid

You're really gay, but still not as gay as >>16493395

whining about an encounter rate that isn't even that bad

>>16493610

>Most of those tiles are in front of important spots like treasure cheats.

If you were to tally them up, I'd guess that about half the spiked tiles in FF1 are from a particular hallway in the Earth Cave.

>You're really gay

Projection.

>>16493395

You're not supposed to install the FinalFantasy(NES).exe you got from that rom site

>>16493636

>Don't forget that the "muh 'epic' fight with chorus chant" in the opening is literally a kindergarden brawl between two manchildren that want to be the though duded in the school.

You are a woman.

You will never understand men and what we strive for. You will never (EVER) understand movies like John Wick, Lord of the Rings, A Fistful of Dollars, Once Upon a Time in the West, etc.

>>16493630

>I can't stop lying, even I don't know why I gotta lie so much

Average battle does not happen that often.

>>16493638

The "hall of giants" was probably an idea for part of the dungeon that got cut with only the hallway being left in.

>>16493662

>Average battle does not happen that often.

Are you thinking of the NES version or something?

I'm playing on PS1, the encounter rate is super high.

I also watched a (youtube celeb) review the game and he said the same thing, he said it's extremely high even for FF/rpg standards.

Maybe you're thinking of the NES version?

>>16493395

That was the dark age of JRPGs, where the story was minimal and the grinding was unbearable. Try a PS1/PS2 RPG instead.

>>16493666

I've played both. The encounter rate is the same and it is only super high if you are only used to softer toned down encounter rates that came after that period. Most JRPGs from 1986-1993 had high encounter rates mostly from copying DQ1's high encounter rate, and FF1's encounter rate is no where near as bad as some of the RPGs of that period such as Phantasy Star II. You can even get a sense for when an encounter is likely to happen in FF1 and avoid them since it isn't just a random step that an encounter can happen by pseudo random maptiles every step. Speedrunners even abuse this to completely avoid the majority of fights.

>>16493689

*but pseudo-random maptiles every step.

>>16493689

it's objectively super high, and it's not like these encounters require any thinking or efficient use of items/powers.

They just feel like obnoxious interruptions. I want to walk at least 10-15 tiles before another encounter, but in FF1 it's like every 3-6 tiles if you're lucky or 2-3 if you're unlucky.

>>16493709

Actually a better system would be 3 or 4 fights PER DUNGEON FLOOR. Once you clear them all then the floor is empty of threats, this would make sense from a roleplaying stand point and would feel a lot better, since you could be free to explore the floor without interruptions once your "work" was finished.

>>16493712

The memory limitations of the system didn't allow for a lot of content. The game would be ridiculously short if you cut the encounters down that much.

>>16493743

But it would be more fun with less padding.

Games don't need to be long if they are actually fun and interesting to play, it would get longevity through replayability, instead of long, drawn out single playthroughs.

>>16493756

Maybe the game just isn't for you. I personally have no problem with the encounter rate.

>>16493773

I like the game, put 6hours into it. I'll give it another try, take it slower.

>>16493991

Nope not happening. Tried again, even walking back to town is a nightmare, extreme encounter rate…it really punishes exploring.

If you don't know exactly where to go with the shortest path it clogs up your time so much.

>>16493415

They can cause more sensitivity to stimulation.

>>16493568

Vagrant Story of course.

>>16494042

Ok trying again. It's painful but I'm doing it.

so far so good, got the crystal eye, gonna go see that witch

>>16493991

>I'll give it another try

>>16494042

<25 minutes later

>nah i give up I didn't get instant gratification and my ADD wants me to move on to something else

>>16494870

see >>16494764

>>16494811

me

>>16445453

I think FF8 is kinda fun. Really comfy game. You just run around, switch around gfs and spells, draw spells until you become god and somewhere there's a plot too. In a way playing FF8 is almost like modding skyrim.

>>16444291

>IX had a dominant style and it worked really well even with space age tech thrown in for the last several hours.

Probably my favorite as it was my first FF and also is the one that just has about everything I expect from a FF. And yeah it has that steampunk thing going on, but it's taking a back seat.

2nd favorite would probably be 6.

>>16496309

>I think FF8 is kinda fun. Really comfy game.

I second that, anon. I wish there were more FF games based on it's world, like they did with Ivalice. I liked how grounded it was until the beginning of disc 2.

bump

>>16497913

YOU SPOONY BARD

Butthurt by the truth?

>>16476910

Every single game after 2007 will automatically be shit. Companies started to be infected by leftists, and those still free from them are trying to pander for them in order to keep their bank accounts intact, threatened by jews.

So, yes, the remake will be shit. Never contract the mental disease known as "hype". The (((marketing))) mafia will use that disease to manipulate you into wasting your money on low quality products.

>>16485033

Don't forget that the "muh 'epic' fight with chorus chant" in the opening is literally a kindergarden brawl between two manchildren that want to be the though duded in the school.

>>16485176

No. You can beat the game without any of it's prizes. And it doesn't have any scene relevant to the plot.

>>16485268

So? It is still a better franchise than Final Fantasy at this point. And there's nothing you can do about it.

>>16487842

All Final Fantasy games are. It is their lowest point, shared among the whole franchise, even the spin-offs. Every single game's plot ends up with "kill a god with the power of friendship".

Some of the games are good to play. Just ignored the plot completely.

>>16487846

>>16488579

>impotent leftist being an impotent leftist

>>16487888

>fuck higher morality, do whatever you want. Just be happy and true to yourself

Be a mindless communist without any higher purpose?

>>16488573

Nomura is a cancer that must be removed.

>>16489055

It is not even a feeling. It is a fact.

>>16493660

>manchild exposes himself unironically

Your Pedowood make-believe productions/movies are meaningless. Nothing more than jewish propaganda.

Stay mad, literal manchild.