81d65a No.16438961
I know an overwhelming amount of games implement this shitty gimmick just as a way to drive sales, and I know the only games that have implemented it well are Alpha Protocol and Shadow the Hedgehog, but what games have introduced "moral questions" as a way to ultimately change the gameplay the player experiences? And, I mean something beyond a slight stat change (Bioshock) or the "no death" runs (Which are achievable in just about every FPS that gives the player a "choice").
498744 No.16438974
>>16438961
OP I think it might've been a mistake posting that pic.
d987fb No.16438992
>Brown thick-thighed catgirls
GIGANTOBONER
172f5a No.16439004
TL;DR
Post more fap material
e7f5ba No.16439007
>>16438961
Nothing wrong with having moral dilemmas however having a morality meter/alignment chart is fucking retarded.
aa81da No.16439010
>>16439007
>>16438961
i love these, please post more
dcfea1 No.16439012
Dark Forces 2 opens up new sith powers and gives you different boss fights.
0b4474 No.16439026
>>16439007
Choices in games shouldn't follow the good/evil dichotomy, but give players two (or more) choices they might actually want to make. Ultimately, few players will choose dumb evil choices, but will feel very conflicted if offered presented with different choices that are all equally appealing.
e7f5ba No.16439032
>>16438961
Wait I just noticed that the fat dilemma is wrong. Here's the proper one.
946899 No.16439056
To be fair, games that try to ape the moral compass from tabletop games often have the most potential for moral choices, but blow them harder than a jew on King Midas. For example, Neverwinter Nights:
>uses the moral compass
>in game actions cause it to shift
>doesn't have any major benefits to anything
>doesn't make persuasion any easier with regards to chosen alignment
>Example, a Lawful Evil should have an easier time persuading the Red Dragon in the main campaign.
>Evils can't use the big bad's magic to take over the world
It does control a few of the other classes, but the evil aligned ones margin on mediocre and usually fall apart unless it's Pale Master or Assassin.
0b4474 No.16439063
>>16439056
BioWare games only feature evil choices so they can stick "game has choices and consequences" on the box. In reality nobody on the development team expects the player to seriously pick those choices.
d68ca8 No.16439065
>>16439056
you could just make a module that takes advantage of it, though
e76524 No.16439070
>>16439007
>a morality meter
Always shit because it's a 1 dimensional scale from baby eating hitler (red) to mother theresa (blue) where you can steal everything not nailed down from people who will starve to death
>alignment chart is fucking retarded.
D&D alignment chart is retarded because in a world where objective evil, and objective good is defined there are somehow legal systems that don't stem from good and evil.
New Vegas's reputation system was pretty solid because it tracked both good deeds (i.e. choices benefitting said faction, not necessarily moral ones) for factions, and when you harmed their interests.
Problem with implementing any kind of "morality" tracker is that most writers are fucking retarded, and think that pathological altruism and being a pushover for anyone else is "peak good" while doing something that hurtful, like telling the truth or not spoonfeeding niggers with free medicine and food so they breed more as "peak evil".
>>16439056
>Lawful Evil
How does this retarded alignment work?
<I follow talmud?
<I do evil, but within boundaries of the law
<I only follow law that isn't just?
<I do evil, and want my evil acts to be legalized?
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>>16439067
BIG FAT CAT TATS
524e9d No.16439119
>>16439070
>How does this retarded alignment work?
>D&D alignment chart is retarded because in a world where objective evil, and objective good is defined…
You answered your own question. Lawful evil is adhering to a code or performing acts which are both lawful and evil. An example could be executing a good person (for example, a well-meaning missionary) in accordance to written law. Or aiding in the oppression of innocent people under the blessing of a recognized ruler.
>>16439067
>>16439090
>>16439089
>thick means not flat-chested
72e904 No.16439121
>>16439067
>thick
>first image has a visible line from her ribs pressing against her skin
9f1602 No.16439147
==KEMONO IS FURRY==
Anyway I agree that Alpha Protocol is a great example of a well done morality system. Most games seem to only try "you did good/bad thing now good/bad guys like/dislike you :)/:(." I liked how you actually had to think about how your choices might affect you.
9f1602 No.16439153
>>16438974
Imagboard rule #1
Never post a picture more interesting than your topic.
51243f No.16439157
>>16439070
>Lawful Evil
>How does this retarded alignment work?
Lawful evil is simply one who abuses or even manipulates rules or laws for his own benefit, often at the expense of others. Example of lawful evil are gold digging women, power tripping police officers and, of course, jews.
53d5f3 No.16439187
>>16439026
>>16439007
Honestly there's nothing wrong with games having an obvious good and evil route. The whole idea then is that the evil route is for the second playthrough, where you aren't taking things seriously and just want to see how fucked up things get.
>>16439070
Lawful Evil should not be an unusual concept for you, you live in a world where it is easily the most powerful evil there is.
b777d2 No.16439193
>>16439070
Even in a world with clearly defined Good and Evil, law and governance are only tangentially related to that. There are plenty of actions that just aren't quantified on a scale of good to evil. For example taxes. Are taxes in and of themselves evil in a feudal society? For instance, is the act of taxing someone to the point they can no longer eat and then starve not an evil act? Yet taxes must be collected nonetheless. Is sentencing an innocent to death not evil, yet the law would say that if proven guilty he is guilty and must be executed. Likewise, is it not evil to let a murderer out on the loose because of lack of evidence, as he then murders again?
This anon is correct >>16439157 but it should also be clarified that because law is only tangentially related to good and evil, law vs chaos is more related to "pro status quo or against status quo". A chaotic evil person plots to burn the entire kingdom to the ground, a lawful evil maneuvers his way into the kingship to line his pockets and oppress the people.
0e17e9 No.16439207
>>16439083
This is the absolute best one out of all of them.
0df87e No.16439209
>>16439070
>How does this retarded alignment work?
Pretty much nobody who has designed a DnD video game has ever bothered to read the books on it. I remember reading one specific book even outright saying that Lawful Evil isn't about being a dick, you can totally be a nice guy but well if your allies get screwed by your plans too bad.
d12403 No.16439222
>>16439157
Yeah, but what is evil and good? In D&D, evil is represented by demons and ashy skinned spider chicks with big tits. Good is represented by tranny faggot deities like Corellon. It's obvious that in D&D, the terms good and evil are not analogous to the dictionary terms good and evil.
6370b6 No.16439227
>>16439224
Doggirls are superior, but catgirls are okay
275817 No.16439228
>>16439222
For the sake of simplicity, most tabletop RPGs define evil as "benefiting yourself at the expense of others" and good as "benefiting others at the expense of yourself". It's not perfect, but it works well enough for what are ultimately recreational games.
0e17e9 No.16439229
>>16439227
>he doesnt even toxoplasmosis
fag
349a59 No.16439230
>>16439070
>How does this retarded alignment work?
Think of a devil who signs contracts with mortals. Sure he will always respect the contract, word by word, but he will always find a way of fucking you up while still respecting it, or wait for you to fuck it up, because you didn't read the small print on it.
Chaotic Evil would be a demon who just wants to fuck shit up and that's all. I am not sure about Neutral Evil, though.
a2550c No.16439240
YOUR CHOICES MATTER
>Your choices never mattered.
>The story isn't about you.
498744 No.16439244
>>16439230
Neutral evil is probably more of a nihilistic approach.
b777d2 No.16439252
>>16439230
>Neutral Evil
Someone who isn't intentionally trying to protect the status quo nor actively trying to destroy it. Unlike Lawful Evil he'd probably have no problems breaking his word at the drop of a hat or even murdering someone. Yet, unlike Chaotic Evil, he won't go out of his way to say, kill a King, or a village. He won't actively seek ways to fuck up people. Lawful Evil is a corrupt cop taking bribes and beating the shit out of people he doesn't like. Chaotic Evil is a terrorist trying to actively destroy everything around him. Neutral Evil is the thug on the corner selling dope and getting in gang fights.
b3423e No.16439253
>>16439119
>>16439121
I thought thicc only required the thighs not everything else since that would be fat and gay
d12403 No.16439260
>>16439228
The use of the terms good and evil is the point of contention. No reasonable man with a penis would consider big titty nympho dominatrix spider chicks evil, and any reasonable man with a penis would be disgusted and abhorred by faggot trannies being held up as gods.
349a59 No.16439266
>>16439070
Might as well post some Laughing Salesman to exemplify the Lawful Evil
5031ad No.16439272
>>16439260
It takes a mental illness to find disgusting insects attractive. You're fucked in the head, quite possibly as much as trannies.
864b86 No.16439310
>>16438961
I miss silly 90's cat girls…. :^}
9cf04a No.16439322
>>16439070
>How does this retarded alignment work?
Think lawyer or politician. They are doing horrible things like getting baby raping murderers out of prison and raising taxes so high that people can't afford food but they do it within the boundary of the law.
72e904 No.16439337
>>16439253
That's just called "not being 12".
0b4474 No.16439342
>>16439322
>within the boundary of the law
They rewrite the laws to suit their needs though.
44c0a1 No.16439428
>>16439230
That's not going to help someone understand it, Fiends don't even have emotions that is within the alignment they embody. For human characters the true embodiment is Lex Luther, Dr. Doom, and Xanatos. All characters who hold value to culture and traditions but ultimately look out for number 1.
8c5198 No.16439455
>>16439310
>those last two
I remember that faux-anime shit when it was being pushed, a lot of western artists had a style similar to this when anime was starting to get big. It feels almost nostalgic now to see this again, it goes back to a simpler time. The catgirl is hot too, but that's neither here or there.
b49d18 No.16439480
Black & White. The moral choice there is between teaching humans to fly or helping them though, nothing too deep. Which is good since writers go full retard when they try to be too clever.
a766e5 No.16439492
>>16439070
>Problem with implementing any kind of "morality" tracker is that most writers are fucking retarded, and think that pathological altruism and being a pushover for anyone else is "peak good" while doing something that hurtful, like telling the truth or not spoonfeeding niggers with free medicine and food so they breed more as "peak evil".
Worse is when they treat killing blatantly harmful people as bad or less good than letting them live.
a1b0e8 No.16439510
>>16439492
Even worse is when breaking into someone's home to kill them is okay as long as they're "bad", but drinking some of their tap water after you've killed them is evil and makes everyone hate you. It's especially funny when you murder a random person in cold blood and they're considered evil because of some backstory stuff revealed in a side quest you haven't done, so you get good points for murdering someone who is, as far as you're aware, just a random innocent.
c8ce94 No.16439523
>>16439266
Thanks for these. I wanted to watch this show after hearing a review today.
>>16439492
Bad writing never helps. Also I feel like most of the choices given in games are always done with the outcome being very obvious. They don't really make you think for the most part.
Here's an example.
>Tyrannical gang boss is is keeping everyone on a tight leash and the towns people are afraid of him.
>One event leads to another and you get the choice to let him off with a warning or kill him.
>Letting him off makes him ease up on his tight grip on the town. However he sends a hit squad after you that you'll have to deal with later.
>Killing him causes a power gap and now multiple gangs are rising up to take power. There's more bloodshed than ever and barely anyone can live or make business in that town.
Killing him would usually be the "evil" choice in most games. But in this case, it causes the most disaster. You never even had to get involved in this to begin with. Now you either have to deal with the other gangs to completely clean up the town or leave them to their demise.
72b813 No.16439524
I mean there's a few sidequests in kingdom come deliverance that has some pretty interesting moral ambiguity
a lord will ask you to help an inquisitor with a heretic problem, and you can listen to the bitchass priest who hates the inquisitor and help the heretics escape or you can just outright help the inquisitor imprison the heritics. if you help the heretics escape you get scolded by the noble because you went against his direct orders
The inquisitor is portrayed as an asshole but it makes sense in 1400's just-before-the-hussite-wars bohemia. The reputation system is closer to new Vegas rep system than a karma system and is focused more on saying the right thing to people to keep them happy than doing a "moral" thing
0b4474 No.16439529
>>16439492
>killing blatantly harmful people as bad or less good than letting them live
Like Metro does. I guess killing mass murdering commies is a bad thing, can't hate the goyim getting any funny ideas. Man reason why morality meters are shit is because it comes down to the writers to determine what is good and what is bad, and if they're cucks you end up in some grotesque shonen anime plot.
Having factions and reputation with said factions is pretty much the only good way to handle a morality system, so long as the factions themselves are nuanced enough so there's no obvious good or bad choice, or if the writer is talented enough to make a case for supporting any faction the player might want to choose.
>>16439510
Morality in Bethesda games is shit in general, you can do any number of heinous acts and it can all be forgiven and forgotten if you give enough money to hobos.
10e88f No.16439538
c9bf8d No.16439553
>>16439230
>I am not sure about Neutral Evil, though.
if lawfull evil wants to conquer the kingdom, and chaotic evil wants to destroy it completly
then neutral evil would be selling weapons to both of these guys and setting them against each other so the profits keep coming in
632dfb No.16439555
>>16439529
>Like Metro does.
This.
I can sorta understand why you should spare the guy who betrayed you (even though I definitely did not), because you escaped and traveled together and whatnot, but that other guy? The deep-cover spy that stole a fucking bioweapon that was unleashed on innocent stations?
Why the fuck should I spare him?
25973d No.16439567
Buying a game at all nowadays is like a Sophie's Choice.
344492 No.16439581
>>16439492
>kill millions of goons, henchmen, etc
>for some reason get the choice to let the leader live or die
<cant kill him because that makes you just as bad :^)
<if you let him live he just goes and kills more people after some fake redemption speech
1d5fd0 No.16439591
Since the thread seems to lean in that direction, does anyone have recommendations for good kemono games/h-games?
>>16439492
>treat killing blatantly harmful people as bad or less good than letting them live
I'm pretty sure there are some instances where letting them live leads to a fate worse than death yet it's considered the "good" option.
c8ce94 No.16439601
I'm surprised no one has provided sauce for the OP.
https://mangadex.org/title/30308/modern-mogal
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=180196
It's about random small stories centered around monster girls and female kemono.
>>16439555
>Tales of Vesperia
>Rich asshole is kidnapping people and feeding them to his animals
>You turn him in
>Uses his resources and influence to get away just fine
>Immediately starts doing horrible things again
MC finds him in the middle of the night and kills him.
>Everything turns out just fine with him gone
>This happens multiple times through the story and it simply makes things better
One of the party member's mere existence will bring about the destruction of nature and now powerful monsters want her dead to save everyone. Now the MC, who thinks murdering for the greater good, might not be such a great thing after all. All the people he murdered were clearly evil and harming many. But his friend has only helped people but her simply existing will soon cause a catastrophe. Killing much more people than those evil men ever could.
Morality and good/evil can be handled in decent ways depending on the writer. But there is almost one thing that seems consistent in both reality and fiction when it comes to morality. If a girl is cute enough, she can never do anything wrong or at least everything can be forgiven..
52961e No.16439615
>>16439007
All you have to do is donate to a sperm bank, and make up for all the lives that died.
916cec No.16439622
>>16439153
>>16438974
I am pretty sure OP knows exactly what he's doing.
524e9d No.16439627
>>16439260
>No reasonable man with a penis would consider
Stop right there. We're taking D&D alignments, in this case Good and Evil are 100% objective. Have fun getting your dick bitten off by feminists with a spider fetish.
>Good is represented by tranny faggot deities like Corellon.
Elves are faggots. By Heronious what a revelation.
>>16439230
>>16439553
Neutral Evil or True Evil is unconcerned with Law and Chaos. A True Evil person is actively bad in every way shape and form.
>>16439622
>>>/fur/
513684 No.16439633
>>16439601
>If a girl is cute enough, she can never do anything wrong or at least everything can be forgiven
Through dick,unity.
Never forget that that rule only applies to 2d though,you might end up ruining your life otherwise
44c0a1 No.16439635
>>16439529
Better than Bioware, pretty much all their attemps to "innovate" their alignment system boils everything down to Sith (evil) and everyone else. I still remember how nonsensical the ending to Jade Empire was because of this.
d68ca8 No.16439651
>>16439322
>implying that their own rules ever applied to them
1b9060 No.16439671
>>16439601
Yuri followed his own rules and sense of justice. It makes sense that he wasn't an obedient bootlicker that would follow the law, even better when he doesn't follow the law of
MUH PROPHECY SAID SO
Seriously we get shit like FFXV when we "prophecy" as a plot device.
c8ce94 No.16439728
>>16439591
Barely anything in the past decade. The Dwarf from Class of Heroes 2 is cute though. If you can read moon, then there's Class of Heroes 3 and that Arc System Works dungeon crawler called Wizard’s Symphony.
>>16439633
3D women get away with shit all the time. But 2D women get away with 90% of stuff. Unless it's an eroge in which they'll be raped. But that's not even bad considering they end up liking it almost every time. Still, an anime girl can kill a whole village of innocent people and enjoy it. 5 minutes later she's with your team eating apple pie and getting headpats.
>>16439671
FF15 was a clusterfuck for many reasons. Them rushing it out the door and having to make multiple DLC episodes just to give other members a backstory is another problem. I think you can have a good prophecy story but FF plots try to be too complicated and end up falling flat.
461c65 No.16439731
>>16439070
>How does this retarded alignment work?
<I follow talmud?
<I do evil, but within boundaries of the law
You're half right; like the Pharisees and scribes whom Jesus despised and condemned openly, Lawful Evil is when a character abides by a code of law, typically self-invented, which in the broader context is itself evil.
Think of it like this:
______MORALITY______
[ EVIL ] [GOOD]
Just Unjust
If my little graph didn't work, here's a simpler way to understand: The Pharisees LOVED themselves and LOVED gold, and although they freely tithed (openly, to make a show of their "righteousness" and thus superiority), they also greedily ate up all the shekels they could from their own people, to the point of making widows utterly destitute and doomed. So yeah they tithed but they also really liked hording money. How can they do this? If they don't give to the temple then they sin, and they surely can't sin! They are the most holy of all the lesser Jews who themselves are utmost superior to the goyim.
Well, the Pharisees and scribes made the Tradition of the Elders, what would later become the Talmud they have today, and in their Tradition they invented a rule which stated that you can "promise" your wealth to God and not have to give it to your parents or children or charity, etc. since it's technically God's gold…right?
They had you swear on gold rather than the temple of God.
They had you wash your hands in a particular way in a particular bowl consecrated for this particular ceremony which would end with you openly praising God for the Pharisees and their traditions.
A religious 1984, with all the backroom deviancy of a Brave New World. The Pharisees brainwashed their whole civilization over hundreds of years through their never-ending compilation of extra-scriptural traditions. How could they pull this off? Because they claimed these Traditions were divine.
The Pharisees even to this day say that the Oral Tradition (Talmud, etc.) is EQUAL to the divine inspiration of the Torah itself. It is literally their second bible and always given higher priority than the first, and of course they said they are right in this because it was to them the Torah/Law was given.
As Law Keepers, the Pharisees and scribes were the guiding hand of their entire civilization and their Tradition influenced literally every facet of Jewish life. You ever hear about how Muslims are told certain ways to wash their hands, piss, eat, etc. according to the Quran and multiple hadith? Well, what if I told you that Jews were literally given a set number of steps they could make on the Sabbath, otherwise they would be in violation of breaking a Sabbath's day's walk and technically be committing work on the Sabbath? Yes, that's how insane the Traditions are.
tl;dr Lawful Evil is when a character or group construct their own code of law which, though consistent within itself, is not congruent to true morality. Jihadi have their own code. Vikings had their code. Pharisees have their code. They live by it, rule by it, judge by it, kill by it–but to them it is all lawful/just/good, because they are righteous according to their own law.
1b9060 No.16439970
>>16439728
>FF plots try to be too complicated and end up falling flat.
what other ones did you have in mind? I can only think of XIII when you say that.
1d5fd0 No.16439976
>>16439728
That's a shame. I'm fine with older suggestions too. Do need to get around to playing Class of Heroes, thanks.
a1b0e8 No.16440008
>>16439766
Is that the Tenpenny Tower ghoul? It was probably the only good attempt at a moral dilemma Bethesda has ever done, and a perfect depiction of the cultural enrichment happens when you let in a flood of peaceful refugees.
25973d No.16440012
>>16440008
The problem is that the interpretation in universe is a straight up inversion of common sense. I really, really doubt Bethesda did that on purpose.
498744 No.16440036
>>16439976
>pic
Now that would get me to watch senko-san.
08ef98 No.16440062
Pulling the lever to kill 1 person instead of doing nothing makes you a killer. Doing nothing does not make you a killer. Just because you could have saved the 5 doesn't mean it was your duty or your fault that they died (assuming you didn't tie up the 6 people and put them on the tracks). Doing nothing is not the same as accepting responsibility.
Prove me wrong.
a138c3 No.16440074
Ideally you do away with morality meters, they are silly. Then you would need to track the player's deeds and if they were seen or not. If you kill someone stealthily and no one could possibly know it was you, then the game doesn't score that for NPC interaction. Having a bad reputation would have NPCs close their doors to you, deny you service.
1d5fd0 No.16440077
>>16440036
Fluffy Senko-san is cute, but rare.
b49d18 No.16440084
>>16440062
You have autism and believe a moral problem is a legal one.
95507f No.16440089
>>16440062
Choosing to do nothing still means you made the choice to let those 5 people die. It doesn't matter what reasoning you came to on deciding to throw or not throw the switch. You still made a decision and you have to deal with the consequences.
And, that's what makes the entire scenario a complete joke. These are five random people, and, no matter choice you choose to make, at least one person will die.
498744 No.16440090
>>16440084
He's kinda got a point. Thousands of people are murdered and robbed every day, but it's not seen as your responsibility to protect them. Even if it's happening right in front of you, you're just a bystander.
816a9c No.16440096
>>16440090
If one side has more spics, niggers, or jews on it it would be immoral not to direct the train in their direction. Killing isn't immoral, killing without justice is. There is no greater justice than exterminating trash.
d71e3f No.16440112
>>16440096
Turns out you just murdered about 5 tyrones and saved a white communist soyboy bastard GOOD JOB.
Should of just ran them all down.
b49d18 No.16440113
>>16440090
That's a different problem. In one you're moving a finger, in the other you risk getting shot.
d987fb No.16440119
>>16440096
But now you've made martyrs out of them and the upcoming chimpouts will kill thousands
498744 No.16440123
>>16440113
Even something as simple as calling the cops. Most people don't do it. It's just not their problem.
49aa82 No.16440133
>>16440089
I am trying to wrap my head around what the blond is wearing, they're like titty drapes or something.
816a9c No.16440140
>>16440112
>white communist soyboy
Commies are not white, they are not even human. They are no different than a jew.
461c65 No.16440151
>>16440133
>>16440089
>a DrawAnon is once again disturbed by poor anime design
Your confusion and futile attempt to alleviate it through drawing is part of what makes the sun shine, anon.
>titty drapes
Seems like it
675d97 No.16440186
>>16439067
Couldn't find where this came from. Searched using SauceNao, iqdb, Google Image search, TinEye.
Could you please link?
ac5e86 No.16440197
>>16438961
>Moral dilemma is games
Yes, games are a moral dilemma.
>Image
You've sabotaged your own thread.
08ef98 No.16440210
>>16440084
No, the moral problem centers around you being responsible for the 5 people dying, which is untrue. So long as you didn't put them there, and so long as it is not your job to stand at the lever and pull it, you have no moral obligation to do anything.
Pulling the lever makes you responsible for the death of 1 person. Not doing anything does not make you responsible for the death of the five, given the conditions I stated.
Like what this anon said:
>>16440090
Making the choice to pull the lever is basically like saying you take responsibility for every death you may have indirectly caused. Cut someone off in traffic? Maybe that made them late and they lost their job and died hungry on the streets. Are you responsible for that chain of events? No, of course not. It's not your moral obligation to society to constantly try and save everyone, nor is society going to blame you on what you could have done to save someone else.
>>16440089
But on the flip side, by pulling the lever you made the choice to kill someone. You intentially caused their death, whereas by doing nothing the other 5 died even though it was not you who caused this situation to begin with. By pulling the lever you inject yourself into the problem. By doing nothing, you are just a bystander.
675d97 No.16440220
>>16440210
>>16440062
btw, are you Chinese?
785ac4 No.16440223
>>16440210
The problem assumes that you're responsible for making this choice, and are therefore responsible for the outcome (at least after the guy who tied the people to the tracks in the first place)
364752 No.16440238
>>16440186
Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san. Start using Yandex too. It's pretty good for finding this kind of thing.
ac5e86 No.16440239
>>16439070
>>Lawful Evil
>How does this retarded alignment work?
Honor among thieves?
08ef98 No.16440268
>>16440220
Nope, 100% italian/slav so a real nigger I guess.
>>16440223
If that's the case then you've already fucked up by letting the situation get this bad. It's like you're a burger flipper and there's catshit on one side of the grill and dogshit on the other. Where should you put the burgers? Well, why did you let your grill get covered in shit to begin with?
But I always looked at the problem like you were just walking and saw the situation unfolding. If you start holding yourself responsible for situation you have no control over, you'll drive yourself crazy by wondering what you could have done differently. And I don't think that's a fair standard to hold yourself to.
0337e5 No.16440273
>>16439070
I think Law and Chaos are misnomers.
I want make an alignment to help illustrate how much a clown world the setting is.
ac5e86 No.16440275
>>16439147
>==KEMONO IS FURRY==
Wew lad.
95507f No.16440282
>>16440210
>By pulling the lever you inject yourself into the problem. By doing nothing, you are just a bystander.
That is true. So, that brings forward a different question:
Will stand by, remain as an innocent bystander, and watch as five people die; or will you become involved and take responsibility for the death of one person?
ac5e86 No.16440303
>>16440210
>Cut someone off in traffic? Maybe that made them late and they lost their job and died hungry on the streets. Are you responsible for that chain of events? No, of course not.
Absolute shit tier analogy. In the trolley problem, you can see the clear immediate result of your actions. In your traffic hypothetical, the person causing the problem is blissfully unaware of their actions' consequences.
9141cc No.16440307
>>16440282
If i could, would kill you, the people on the tracks and make a trophy to put on my wall, because this is boring ass.
If someone doesnt have the same morals they wont see in the same way you do, so they deserve to die before they cause you trouble.
Wich evil am i?
ac5e86 No.16440312
>>16440062
>Negligence isn't your fault as long as it isn't your literal job to pull the lever to save lives
What a nigger.
14e1fa No.16440314
>>16438961
Apparently CoD Black Ops 2 had some really cool single-player paths based on player choices, but nobody remembers it because it's CoD.
c8ce94 No.16440318
>>16440282
You don't know why any of those people are there in the first place. They could be innocent or placed there for punishment. You don't know if the tracks is rigged to not move/only move to kill a certain person. It could be there to bait out someone as well. Not throwing yourself into the situation is the wisest thing to do.
>>16440307
An incomprehensible evil.
3d48c3 No.16440324
>>16439523
>. I wanted to watch this show after hearing a review today
based and lauderdale-pilled
9caf83 No.16440330
>>16438961
taking advantage of OP thread. what do you do when bros NPCs ask you to kill them. examples: hollow knight after you get the final nail upgrade the blacksmith ask you to kill him and argues thats after everything he did for you you owe him this.
or sekiro where you gain the ability to kill the trainer NPC and if you refuse he basically say
>think calmly about this and come back to kill me
what do you do in most of these cases?
4fa91c No.16440351
>>16440329
Is it D2?
Albert states it isn't A or B because if it were either A or B it would be possible for bernard to know since there are only one of 5 and one of 6, bernard now knows it isn't A or B, that leaves 1-4, C-D, bernard, now knowing what it is, means it must be one which only has one of C, or D, which leaves D2.
>So autistic I can't resist the urge to post in a blatantly non-vidya thread to answer a stupid deductive reasoning test
fef6f5 No.16440354
>>16440329
C3 - C for Cheryl and 3 for the number of henchmen.
602777 No.16440368
>>16439529
>Like Metro does
Metro's idea was to condemn the thoughtlessness of violence in our medium, not necessarily to condemn violence itself. Pic related.
>>16439555
>I can sorta understand why you should spare the guy who betrayed you
Oh, you're talking about the sequels. Never mind then.
785ac4 No.16440378
>>16440351
By that reasoning D4 and C3 are also the correct pad.
675d97 No.16440409
>>16440378
>>16440351
Since we are left one C option and two D options, and since Albert started with not knowing the number:
Case C:
There is only one option (#3) => Albert knows the number now.
Case D:
There are now two options (#2 and #4). Albert is supposed to know the number now, but he doesn't => There is a contradiction.
Therefore the correct pad is C3.
Eazy Peazy. Post a more difficult timewaster.
6fa29f No.16440448
>>16440329
I love this very much.
61c80b No.16440459
>>16440329
I don't understand, what is the idea here? Is it that by crashing the trolleys in a certain place that they'll get backed up and not be able to crash? How do people solve this?
t. retard
14e1fa No.16440486
>>16440459
>evil villain wants to crash trolleys
>if you force her trolleys to crash into each other, you have minimized casualties
61c80b No.16440495
>>16440486
But how do the henchmen know just by looking or what's going on?
a36192 No.16440510
>You have a sealed box of a certain size, filled with an infinite number of particles
>The particles are all randomly moving at a constant speed
>You open one side of the box, which lays on the infinite plane
>Given an infinite amount of time, will the particles distribute evenly?
61c80b No.16440515
>>16440510
Wouldn't that be a No simply due to the fact that infinite particles are there or being produced? I can imagine exponential distribution but not even distribution.
a36192 No.16440520
>>16440515
But you have as much time as you need for it to happen. I think it's a matter of entropy.
I'm not sure how it would work, this just popped into my head a few minutes ago
498744 No.16440531
>>16440510
>>16440520
Trick question, you have an infinite amount of particles, so they have infinite density and form a blackhole, thus none of them can redistribute. :^), but seriously, an infinite amount of particles kinda breaks the physics here
61c80b No.16440532
>>16440520
But having an infinite number of particles either being there or produced from the same spot implies an infinite number of situations, which means you are always going to have situation which replicates or mimics where it originally started. If anything, this would be more a question about where they start to distribute evenly rather than when.
aeb682 No.16440537
>>16440531
Maybe you're meant to interpret it as a continuum like a fluid.
In which case the answer would still probably be no, since you'd still have waves from the transient, unless there's friction (which would produce heat, which produce thermal vibrations, which breaks down to the original argument)
84b973 No.16440538
>>16440510
Probably. I get the gist of Chaos Theory; I put a garden hose on its "flood" setting and watched it puke out gobs of water once. I noticed that, even though it appeared to be a violently random gush, it looped through a constant pattern like a .gif animation
61c80b No.16440544
>>16440538
But that's the thing, even though it's patterns aren't entirely random, this implies it's distribution can't be because the pattern repeating itself offsets any potential for it to smooth itself out.
498744 No.16440547
>>16440537
Even so, you're trying to fill an infinite space with infinite matter. No matter how long you let it go, you will always have more matter at the epicenter than at the far reaches. In essence, because the plane is infinite, there will always be somewhere the fluid has not yet reached.
ac5e86 No.16440554
>>16440547
> there will always be somewhere the fluid has not yet reached.
Simple, give it infinite time.
2c2cab No.16440560
>>16440510
>You have a sealed box of a certain size, filled with an infinite number of particles
If it was a finite number, then yes, the particles could at one point all be equal distance from each other eventually if this is one of those "monkeys on a typewriter" questions, but very unlikely. Assuming you mean they constantly change direction, and not just after they hit something. Or do you mean evenly relative to the infinite plane? In that case no, because the plane is infinite.
Given an infinite amount of particles, are you saying it is constantly spawning particles? I suppose that might be possible, but for every second that passes by it becomes more and more unlikely as the particles escape the box. It would help if they moved at random speeds as well, but otherwise they'd all need to be really close to the box depending on the spawn rate.
Or do you mean it starts with an infinite amount of particles? That's impossible. Unless of course the box has an infinite amount of space inside, in which case I guess you could have infinite particles inside the box, and I suppose they could be evenly distributed between each other. But evenly across the plane? No, because the plane is infinite and would never be fully covered.
498744 No.16440561
>>16440554
You have infinite space. It can't happen.
675d97 No.16440562
2c2cab No.16440564
>>16440554
Are you saying that after an infinite of time has elapsed, a fluid will have covered an infinite plane? Because that's ridiculous.
61c80b No.16440565
>>16440554
Infinite particles given infinite time can't fill an infinite space. Unless quantum mechanics and dimensional fuckery can fix this.
61c80b No.16440571
>>16440562
Physics is a form of Math and understanding Math as well as patterns and distribution in Math relative to the real world.
498744 No.16440573
>>16440562
Physics is math. And math says not, it cannot happen. Look up the infinite hotel.
aeb682 No.16440576
>>16440562
Fine. If there are aleph-null particles (i.e., countably many as the discrete nature of particles implies) that are in a two dimensional plane of reals (i.e., cardinality aleph-one), then the particles fit in the box.
You still don't escape transients produced by only opening one side of the box at a time.
61c80b No.16440586
If I can't speak their language how the fuck am I supposed to ask them questions?
61c80b No.16440587
349a59 No.16440592
>>16440579
I go to each one of them, hold a gun to their face, and tell them(by using universal sign gestures) if they don't pull the lever I will kill them. There, problem solved, without asking any questions.
14e1fa No.16440594
>>16440495
As other anons have pointed out, it's a process of elimination. If you know only one piece of information, and there are certain combinations of pieces which would necessitate knowing all pieces, then you can eliminate them.
675d97 No.16440595
>>16440586
It says that you're a student of their language. Honestly, realism doesn't matter for these types of questions.
Just have a willing suspension of disbelief.
2c2cab No.16440596
>>16440586
You know enough to ask yes or no questions, you just forgot which is word is "yes" and which is "no".
It's a long winded way of saying you have to figure out which means yes and which means no. Maybe in a previous version they spoke English, but it was rewritten this way to get people to avoid asking "but if they understand English, how come they won't speak it? This is bullshit".
2c2cab No.16440601
>>16440592
It's the kind of question, where you have to assume any other tactic won't work. Just imagine they don't fear death.
924c6d No.16440605
>>16440592
I got the same response last time. Almost to the letter.
ebdbc1 No.16440606
>>16440096
>says the shitskin
675d97 No.16440617
>>16440579
So I can't ask a triplet about the identity of others?
61c80b No.16440618
>>16440595
Tell them that language is an abstract social construct and that their names don't mean anything so it's useless to identify them.
ac5e86 No.16440619
>>16440561
Yes it can.
>>16440564
Just as ridiculous as having inifinite particles in the first place.
>>16440565
>Infinite particles given infinite time can't fill an infinite space.
Why?
a36192 No.16440622
>>16440601
>Just imagine they don't fear death.
Fucking chinamen
ac5e86 No.16440625
61c80b No.16440631
>>16440619
Because at the same time which infinite particles are being created, the space it's occupying is becoming more infinite. You're creating more space at the same time you're creating matter to fill it.
675d97 No.16440634
>>16440625
But it says I can only ask a question if it is directed at them.
2c2cab No.16440635
>>16440619
>Just as ridiculous as having inifinite particles in the first place.
You got me there.
>>16440619
>Infinite particles given infinite time can't fill an infinite space.
>Why?
Because there is no end. It doesn't matter if you have an infinite amount of particles, there is an infinite amount of room for them.
aeb682 No.16440639
I hope everyone is aware that there are as many pairs of integers as there are integers. (And pairs of reals as there are reals, etc)
Numbers of dimensions, which grow polynomially, don't mean shit to exponentially growing cardinalities
61c80b No.16440649
>>16440627
If it was infinite, how the fuck were they full?
61c80b No.16440656
Does an infinite Habbo Hotel have an infinite number of infinite pools closed?
b986f6 No.16440657
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16440579
It's a bullshit riddle, but here's the solution if anyone is stuck on it.
https://archive.fo/eedr6
498744 No.16440658
>>16440649
By having an infinite number of guests.
ac5e86 No.16440662
>>16440634
>But it says I can only ask a question if it is directed at them.
How is asking a triplet about anyone's identity not a question directed at them?
>>16440635
>Because there is no end.
Neither is there an end to an infinite amount of time.
>>16440627
>Video
Yes, and? You can't just post a video covering multiple infinity problems that could potentially be analogical to the one being discussed and not explain why it's relevant.
069e3c No.16440663
>>16439976
>That pic
Is this what the kids these days call a "cursed image"? Either way, please proceed in this direction immediately.
>>>/oven/
498744 No.16440670
>>16440662
Point is, if you have infinite particles, there is always infinite space to contain them, and also infinitely more space where there are no particles. Like in the video, you could have each guest move from room n to room n+1, and thus have room for any additional guests. And you can have room for a countably infinite amount of guests show up and still have room, by having each guest move to room 2n. There will always be more space, event though both values are infinite.
2c2cab No.16440672
>>16440662
>Neither is there an end to an infinite amount of time.
And? The plane will simply be in the process of being covered forever.
ac5e86 No.16440673
>>16440627
>An infinite amount of space can never be filled by an infinite amount of particles, even given infinite time?
>>16440658
>But an infinite hotel can be full by having an infinite number of guests
Wew lad.
61c80b No.16440679
>>16440658
But they have an infinite amount of rooms to accommodate for them.
498744 No.16440683
>>16440673
>>16440679
Well that's the problem with infinity. I guess I should've put a :^) on the first post, but it's just full for sake of argument. It was functionally created with all guests already inside.
ddf5dd No.16440684
>>16440090
That hasn't stopped me from sending spics and nigs to the hospital when they're threatening someone white.
2c2cab No.16440687
>>16440634
That just means you can't ask a question to more than one of them at a time. You can't turn your back and ask something and expect all three to respond.
2c2cab No.16440695
>>16440090
Pulling the lever does not bear any risk of harm to yourself, and it's much less physically taxing than being a vigilante.
>Even if it's happening right in front of you, you're just a bystander.
That's illegal in Germany. To see someone in help and not do anything.
498744 No.16440699
>>16440684
It's not supposes to stop you. You can choose to do it tough guy.
>>16440695
Well I'm not german.
349a59 No.16440702
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>all these talks about infinity
It's what happens when you have convergent series(the infinite sum converges to a real number) and divergent series(the infinite series goes to either infinity or a random number), and why you get things like 1 + 1 + 1 …. = -1/2 or vid related.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergent_series
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_%2B_2_%2B_3_%2B_4_%2B_%E2%8B%AF
2c2cab No.16440706
>>16440699
>Well I'm not german.
Congratulations.
1b68ed No.16440710
>>16439007
I'm certain the bodies will stop the trolly before it can kill too many.
ac5e86 No.16440713
>>16440670
Well now that you've taken the time to explain I can see what analogizing this problem to the infinite hotel is a false analogy for one or more reasons. The infinite hotel makes room for more guests by having them change rooms, and thus people are always changing rooms whenever the full hotel needs more room. This means vacancies are being made all the time, but not simply by moving one guest from one room instantaneously to the next but during the moving, when they are in the infinite number of halls and on the infinite stairways. That is, the infinite hotel relies on having a second infinite space other than the rooms for the guests to be in while the moving is taking place. The infinite plane does not have this in the original question.
But that is also essentially assuming a different original question to make even that false analogy work. The infinite hotel question only ever directly deals with two infinite things interacting with eachother at a time, the guests and the rooms (and the hallways/stairs if you want to be anal about it like me). Space and things that fill it. This question concerns three different types of infinite quantities. Space, things to fill it, and time.
675d97 No.16440717
>>16440662
I was looking at the question autistically, and thinking that "directed at them" also meant "about them" because I already assumed that I am only able to speak to one of them at a time.
ac5e86 No.16440720
>>16440672
>And? The plane will simply be in the process of being covered forever.
And forever is exactly how long infinity takes to be over and thus the process to be over.
498744 No.16440724
>>16440713
It doesn't need a second infinite space. It's infinite. It's saying that as long as a series is infinite, you can obviously contain another infinite series in it, and more. Think of it as every space on the plane is a coordinate, and every molecule is a guest. There will always be a coordinate unoccupied by a molecule.
aeb682 No.16440736
>>16440702
Isn't that the Numberphile video all the other mathematics Youtubers make fun of? which isn't a sentence I enjoy typing
We're not talking about functional infinities, like you get with series, sums, and calculus, where we talk about behavior as a limiting process.
We're talking about cardinalities of sets that you get set-theoretically. This is where you get absurd sounding statements like "there are as many ratios of natural numbers as there are integers as there are even numbers as there are natural numbers"
Even then, there are even more different notions of infinities like the ordinals, where each infinite ordinal is infinitely "after" all previous naturals.
ac5e86 No.16440739
>>16440717
>I already assumed that I am only able to speak to one of them at a time.
Yes, you can only speak to one at a time.
>>16440683
>It was functionally created with all guests already inside.
And there's another reason why it's not a good analogy for the infinity problem at hand.
>>16440710
The thinking man's answer.
>>16440724
>as long as a series is infinite, you can obviously contain another infinite series in it
>There will always be a coordinate unoccupied by a molecule
That's assuming the molecules will always have space between them. Unless you're talking about the space they have yet to cover on the plane that sits outside the spreading mass of molecules, which would be covered given infinite time.
ac5e86 No.16440744
>>16440736
>Isn't that the Numberphile video all the other mathematics Youtubers make fun of?
What? From what I recall the video was a joke that didn't actually explain anything, and did so intentionally. Only retards falling for what is essentially a bait video take it seriously.
aeb682 No.16440748
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16440744
Embed related. Good channel tbh
I'm definitely not biased and definitely wasn't watching the MIT 2006 integration bee yesterday
349a59 No.16440755
>>16440736
Regarding the video, the only error he committed was abusing the meaning of the equal sign and the plus sign, when "adding" the series. You stop talking about "adding", and instead talk about "summation", and they don't "equal" -1/2 or -1/12 but rather "converge" to such values. All in all, from what wikipedia and other articles say the value of -1/12 is used in physics and some branches of math so it isn't 100% bullshit.
498744 No.16440758
>>16440739
It's a good analogy. Because we have our box, and then open it, so there must be space unoccupied before the box opened. And because we have an infinite plane, that space will never be filled cause there's infinite space for the particles to other than those spaces that were previously unfilled.
aeb682 No.16440762
>>16440755
Yeah, I know. Generalizations of sums of series and the zeta function and all that.
675d97 No.16440768
>>16440702
>math youtubers
It's understandable. If you don't meme it up with quirky professor stereotypes and popsci you don't get the views since actually explaining things would make the audiences' brains go oof.
349a59 No.16440770
>>16440736
>>16440755
Forgot to mention, the way he "proved" that 1 + -1 + 1 - 1 +….. is 1/2 s the same way you clear a room in the infinite hotel, you just move everyone to the left.
Another interesting thing about such summations is that something like 1 - 1 + 0 + 1 - 1 + 0 +…. equals 1/3 instead of 1/2.
"Proof":
Let S = 1 - 1 + 0 + 1 - 1 + 0 + ….
We will now make "add" S three times to get 3S
1 - 1 + 0 + 1 - 1 + 0 + ….
1 - 1 + 0 + 1 - 1 + 0 + ….
1 - 1 + 0 + 1 - 1 + 0 + ….
—————————————
1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + …….
Thus 3S "equals" 1 and thus S = 1/3
You will get a totally different result for S1 = 1 + 0 - 1 + 1 + 0 -1 + ….
aeb682 No.16440777
>>16440770
Divergent series aren't well-behaved when you rearrange the terms. Or add them in the case of zero.
b89979 No.16440781
>>16438961
>actual cat girls
I want two
ac5e86 No.16440783
>>16440724
>It doesn't need a second infinite space. It's infinite.
And it's full. Sure, as long as a series is infinite, you can obviously contain another infinite series in it by say, making the series "1/2, 1 1/2, 2 1/2,…" but this hotel doesn't have rooms between rooms. It makes it's own makeshift version of things like "1/2, 1 1/2, 2 1/2,…" and "infinity + 1"by emptying rooms. In the first hotel problem in order to move someone from room 1 to room 2 the person in room 2 must leave, else there will be two people in the same room at once. But you can't wait for room 2 to be empty for the person in room one to leave his room because then you would have to wait for room 3 to be empty and so on, meaning the new guest would be waiting for infinity. Rather, the guest in room one is temporarily waiting in the hallway for the guest in room to come out and so an infinite shift is facilitated by the secondary space that is the hallway. Really this second space need not be infinite if you drop the hotel for something more abstract since only two guests, the one entering room x and the one leaving room x, need be in the hallway at once. But once you have problems concerning infinite numbers of new guests and infinite numbers of infinite numbers of new guests, there is a need for the secondary space to be infinite as well, I think.
>>16440758
>that space will never be filled cause there's infinite space for the particles to other than those spaces that were previously unfilled.
Unless you give it infinite time. Space is being filled over time by the particles right? Thus, over infinite time, infinite space will be filled resulting in a full infinite plane. You cannot say that the infinite particles only filled a finite amount of space given infinite time.
498744 No.16440786
>>16440783
It's not that the particles fill a finite space, it's that the infinite space is "more" infinite than the particles.
ac5e86 No.16440796
>>16440783
>there is a need for the secondary space to be infinite as well, I think.
In fact, I can't quite wrap my head around it, but when you get to the questions concerning infinite numbers of new guests and infinite numbers of infinite numbers of new guests and so on, you may need a third space and/or infinite numbers of secondary infinite spaces and infinite numbers of those and so on. Some smarter than me would have to lay that scenario out.
>>16440786
>it's that the infinite space is "more" infinite than the particles.
Well that's just sounds like a blatant logical fallacy. It works the way you say it does because you decided that infinity was more infinite than the other one? If you're talking about the the fact that the particles are round and thus cannot truly cover the space between themselves, that doesn't mean there's still space they can fill unless you add the caveat that sequentially infinitely smaller particles are also appearing, in which case, giving them infinite time to fill the infinite spaces between would still work, creating and unending fractal upon viewing.
498744 No.16440803
>>16440796
It has to be, as it's entirely possible that there are unfilled spaces, but you can't have particles occupying the same space.
ac5e86 No.16440808
>>16440803
>as it's entirely possible that there are unfilled spaces
Then it's entirely possible that infinite hotel wasn't actually full. Why is it possible? Because the space is infinite? The particles are also infinite and so is the time given to fill the space. This is just repeating that one infinity takes precedence over the others without justification.
aeb682 No.16440827
>>16440796
It's not a logical fallacy.
Consider the set of B = {0, 1}. Then B^2 = { (0, 0), (1, 1), (0, 1), (1, 0)}, B^3 is all ordered triples, and so on. The cardinality of B (hereafter |B|) is 2 and |B^n| = |B|^n.
When B is an countably infinite set, like the natural numbers (i.e. {1, 2, 3…}), its cardinality is aleph-null. Cardinalities of cartesian self-products (i.e., above) break down into taking powers of infinity, which doesn't work anymore. It turns out that because you can map any pair of natural numbers onto a single natural number and vice versa, even taking this number to the second or third power doesn't increase it. It's still the same "amount" of space.
However, when dealing with continua (like we perceive space to be), we talk about the reals, and use them as coordinates. It can be shown that there are more reals than there are natural numbers by "exhausting" infinitely many numbers by writing out a unique infinite decimal for each natural number, then creating a new real number by picking digits that differ by at most one from all others (pic related). The cardinality of the real number line is just a bigger infinity than the cardinality of natural numbers. This is known as beth-one and might be aleph-one, but it depends on what axioms you choose.
Now, back to the problem. Assuming we define particles as discrete points of matter, it only makes sense to consider them countably infinite. If we have two dimensional space, but real-valued coordinates, then the cardinality of this space is beth-one squared, which is still beth-one. There's a bigger infinity of space than there is a number of countable particles.
498744 No.16440828
>>16440808
>Why is it possible?
Because on a physical level it can exist. On a physical level, you cannot have two particles occupy the exact same space. Also it just kinda occurred to me that if it takes infinite time to fill the space, it never happens
aeb682 No.16440829
>>16440827
Shit, forgot my pic
b89979 No.16440835
>>16440826
aCQUIRE FURSHIT PUSS FUCK VIDEO GAMES
83cadf No.16440837
>>16438961
Do you push the guy and collect your soul now, or wait patiently for him to jump on his own and collect it later?
498744 No.16440838
>>16440835
You say that, but the furry posting barely lasted.
523c76 No.16440839
Y'all niggas like motherfucking S U P E R T A S K S ? ? ?
Imagine if you had a trolley, like in many of the moral dilemma pictures in this thread. The way it works is that it is on a railway that is 10 feet long. Imagine that it is set up in a way that it will reach one end point in 10 seconds. The trolley has a light attached to it that turns from green to orange every time that the time left until the trolley reaches its destination is split in half.
At 5 seconds, AKA the halfway point of the trolley's journey, the light turns from green to orange. At the halfway point in that time, AKA 2.5 seconds, it turns from orange to green. It will continue to change colors at every halfway point in time.
Considering this, if the trolley's light starts on green, what color will it show when it reaches the end of the track?
I know I'm terrible at explaining this.
b89979 No.16440842
I push my cock into her
>>16440838
So
40d822 No.16440845
>>16440329
B5
It's the only one there by itself that both know the proper row
498744 No.16440847
>>16440839
That's basically zeno's turtle.
1b68ed No.16440854
>>16440510
When you think of infinity, you must think of the state that it approaches. Given the conditions you have supplied, the particles would approach an even distribution. The box doesn't matter, neither does the side it opens on. Those are just constants.
2940fd No.16440855
>No mention of Witcher
One of the few examples of moral dilemma done right. Many choices in those games are between two equally bad options. That's what you get for meddling in politics and family affairs instead of sticking to the Path.
ac5e86 No.16440863
>>16440770
I used to be able to parse this shit back in college.
>>16440827
>Now, back to the problem. Assuming we define particles as discrete points of matter, it only makes sense to consider them countably infinite. If we have two dimensional space, but real-valued coordinates, then the cardinality of this space is beth-one squared, which is still beth-one. There's a bigger infinity of space than there is a number of countable particles.
While I can't remember what half the mathemetical words you said in the first chunk of your post mean and never leared the other half in the first place, I understand what you mean. Some infinities can be greater than others and indeed infinite space is "more infinite" than infinite particles because infinite space can have points defined by all reals while infinite particals only be defined in quantity by all natural numbers. But that kind of difference in infinities is irrelavent to the meaning of "filling the space" here. Yes, you cannot fill all the real number coordinates because of the basic assumption that the particles are round and of the same size. But that doesn't mean there's still space for them to pour into after infinite time, as they cannot fit in those in-between spaces, leaving the infinite plane effectively "full" of the particles.
>>16440828
>Also it just kinda occurred to me that if it takes infinite time to fill the space, it never happens
Correct, but in the same real world thinking sense, you can't have infinite particles in the confined space that is the closed box, and if you had infinite particles magically being created from the box as a starting point, they would inevitably become a black hole. Like I said here >>16440619
>Just as ridiculous as having inifinite particles in the first place.
ac5e86 No.16440877
>>16440835
>OP posts sexy kemono catgirl
>Everyone thinks it's going to derail to lewdposting and/or furfaggotry
>Stays almost entirely on topic for a while
>Derails to abstract mathematical arguments
>>16440839
It will converge on a color halfway between green and orange. :^)
aeb682 No.16440879
>>16440863
What do you mean there's not infinite space remaining after infinite time? When the box opens, you can think of the particles as parts of wave propagating outward. They'll continue behaving like that forever, such that after infinite time, it's comparatively unlikely that you'll find a particle in the half-plane complementary to the half-plane you opened the box into.
498744 No.16440880
>>16440877
It really is strange to see /v/ showing this much restraint.
ac5e86 No.16440900
>>16440879
>hey'll continue behaving like that forever, such that after infinite time
Infinite time is forever. After infinite time, they'll have stopped behaving like that. Yes, I know infinite time will never be over. See the last part of >>16440863
>it's comparatively unlikely that you'll find a particle in the half-plane complementary to the half-plane you opened the box into.
You'll have to explain what you mean by complementary half planes. You mean half of infinite space?
>>16440880
It's late night in burgerland. All the English speaking furries are asleep.
498744 No.16440910
>>16440900
It's not that late. t. burger
5139ef No.16440912
>>16439007
>letting yourself be crippled for all those random assholes lives
100 people could die and I still couldnt consider it
1b68ed No.16440915
>>16440879
The particles have random movement. That is the key. Their starting position has no influence on where they end up given infinite time.
675d97 No.16440920
b89979 No.16440922
>>16440880
>>16440910
I wanna fug both these girls
ac5e86 No.16440924
>>16440915
That would be true were it not for the fact that there are infinitely many of them and thus even if each one is moving in a random direction together they would still form a wave spreading out equally from the starting point as there are infinitely many of them moving in every direction.
6a0ee2 No.16440926
>>16440880
It's almost peak autism, but nothing can beat the fierce debate over Chinese pottery.
aeb682 No.16440928
>>16440900
No they won't, the laws of motion don't suddenly change for these particles. We model the escaping particles as a wave early on, so that we can make predictions about them later. And since this wave propagates in a single direction, we assume it'll do so forever.
And by half-plane, I mean the halves of the plane that each contain the opened box and unopened box.
>>16440915
Sure it does, they start up in the box. Where there are barriers. Unless you're saying that the particles are always randomly moving, which isn't stated in the original problem. I was making the assumption that they had inertia.
>>16440920
No, it's only 1:47. Have a rabbit.
b89979 No.16440931
>>16440928
tfw jerked off to buneary fem sprite years ago playing Pearl as a teen
675d97 No.16440933
Ok niggers answer me this:
I ask people at random if they have two children and also if one is a boy born on a tuesday. After a long search I finally find someone who answers yes. What is the probability that this person has two boys? Assume an equal chance of giving birth to either sex and an equal chance to giving birth on any day.
b89979 No.16440938
>>16440933
Who gives a shit
5d9a87 No.16440939
>>16440931
That’s some dedication. Why has god cursed me with this fetish, all I think about are furry girls
b89979 No.16440941
>>16440939
I thought the fluffy hands were big ol fluffy tits so it worked for me
Also I dunno m8 stop being gay, this shit doesn't exist anyways
ac5e86 No.16440952
>>16440922
How are you sure they're both girls?
>>16440928
>And since this wave propagates in a single direction, we assume it'll do so forever.
>And by half-plane, I mean the halves of the plane that each contain the opened box and unopened box.
Ah, I see. You're paying more attention to the orginal question than I was while I was going off on the tangential question made by >>16440547 which mentioned an epicenter and implied equal spread in all directions despite the direction the box is opened. In that case, I'd say that after infinite time No, I still think it would be full. Even if it it is not spreading equally in all directions, the case that you would be less likely to find a particle on one side of the box than the other only applies to any given finite passage of time. Like I said before, space is being filled over time by the particles. Thus, over infinite time, infinite space will be filled resulting in a full infinite plane. You cannot say that the infinite particles only filled a finite amount of space given infinite time, even if they are filling that space unevenly after any given finite amount of time.
b89979 No.16440959
>>16440952
Who knows they don't exist anyways so in my mind they're girls.
>>16440957
Raphtailia best It's hilarious this got an anime 'cos I read the manga a few years ago
8e6dac No.16440962
>>16440933
Either a half or a third I say a half
I see two options
First option
>Only two possibilities, one boy one girl, or two boys
Second option
>There's four possible combinations of kids and their sex (X=girl Y=boy), XX YY XY YX
>only three are possible with one option being two girls so not possible
I say it doesn't matter the order the boys are in, there's just as much likelihood of the second kid being a boy as any other kid, which for the purpose of the exercise is 50%
ac5e86 No.16440964
>>16440928
>only 1:47
>only
I'm in the same timezone.
1b68ed No.16440965
>>16440928
Randomly moving at a constant speed. Speed is a scalar. The phrase describes a random walk. It would fall under a probablistic distribution. Look at the law of large numbers. While it may approach an even distribution, it does not need to be a perfect distribution. The initial placement can be overcome as their values become less significant and can be covered by an imperfect spread. You are falling for a rather complex gambler's fallacy.
3c75ae No.16440966
>>16440601
If that's the case just kill them outright and flip the switches yourself. Surely that will take less time that playing some dumbshit questions game.
6a0ee2 No.16440967
>>16440962
There's also XXY and XYY.
8e6dac No.16440968
>>16440967
Yeah I suppose they could have any number of kids greater than two
ac5e86 No.16440969
>>16440967
But that's not two children, that's three.
924c6d No.16440971
Why is /v/ always better when we’re not discussing vidya?
b89979 No.16440973
>>16440971
'cos ur a nigger
aeb682 No.16440974
>>16440931
That's Lopunny, fam
>>16440952
I'd like to draw your attention to the other part of my reply, where I said I was assuming the particles had inertia. It's a fucked paradoxical thing if we don't know which interpretation is correct.
>>16440965
See above. I don't know if these are Brownian particles or inertial ones, and it's never outright stated.
>>16440957
Kemonomimi begone
f1c9f5 No.16440975
ac5e86 No.16440976
>>16440971
The people who truly like vidya are more interesting to talk to.
8e6dac No.16440977
>>16440933
Buddy asked me this but in the form of crits
>So you make 2 hits, and one is guaranteed to crit. What is the probability of getting two crits? (Base critrate 50%)
b89979 No.16440980
>>16440974
who cares same evo line
523784 No.16440981
>>16439070
This.
>>16439007
By doing nothing, you can not only not get your dick cut off, but you don't kill anyone.
b89979 No.16440983
>>16440981
why not kill evereyone
1b68ed No.16440984
>>16440974
A better problem description and clarification is always good, but you have to go with the problem as stated. When it says random, treat it as random.
ac5e86 No.16440988
I don't have any lewd pokemon
b89979 No.16440990
>>16440988
this isn't an excuse to post garbage anon
523784 No.16440995
>>16440755
>from what wikipedia and other articles say the value of -1/12 is used in physics and some branches of math so it isn't 100% bullshit.
That doesn't make sense. Just because other people say something is used in something means it isn't bullshit? And how do you know modern math and physics aren't fucked like the rest of academia?
ac5e86 No.16440998
>>16440990
>Garbage
FUCK♂YOU
aeb682 No.16440999
I'm glad that this is the fastest /v/ thread
Also more Lopunny because that folder's still open
>>16440984
It doesn't say random forever though. It's ambiguous whether it means "always chooses a random direction to travel at a constant speed after some amount of time" or "starts with a random velocity but the same speed as everything else and has inertia, such that only (assuming totally elastic) collisions with walls and other particles changes its direction".
523784 No.16441002
>>16440663
>he doesn't know where "cursed image" comes from
>he doesn't know how normalfags (yet again) corrupted the meaning
Talk about gassing, good grief.
b89979 No.16441005
>>16440998
shut up nigger
>>16440999
hey trips also I like lopunny
2a838b No.16441010
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Math is something that I enjoyed in school, but I always fell asleep in class, so I fell behind in high school. It's embarrassing that I don't know what appears to be common knowledge. Where can I into maths?
ac5e86 No.16441016
>>16441005
At least keep it vidya. Or is that a vidya character I don't recognize? I highly doubt >>16440990 is.
523784 No.16441021
>>16441013
I think anon was talking about specifics.
b89979 No.16441022
>>16441016
>keep it vidya
She's an office bun that worked on video games?
ac5e86 No.16441030
>>16441022
Are you making this shit up?
b89979 No.16441037
>>16441030
I used a question mark the answer should be obvious
b89979 No.16441052
>>16441045
Of course a blonde haired, blue eyed lizard grill with big legs is cuter than a man in a magical helmet.
ac5e86 No.16441059
>>16441037
>I used a question mark the answer should be obvious
I assumed the possiblity that it was real and the question mark was there because you were unsure if "character that once worked on videogames at one point in a show" even counted.
b89979 No.16441062
>>16441059
rip
>>16441061
i hope you get promoted to the cum shoveler tbh
9fa676 No.16441098
>>16440995
>anything I don't understand is wrong because liberal arts degrees exist.
ac5e86 No.16441118
I choosing whether or not to do a pacifist run of minimal kills/enemies beaten in any videogame a moral dilemma?
ac5e86 No.16441119
5fe11a No.16441122
>>16440062
>Pull the lever and one person dies and you MIGHT get blamed or MIGHT be a hero or nothing
>Don't and 5 people die
So the whole entire interest of the thing is how it effects you personally. That's classic sociopathy. Or at the very least complete and utter weakness, of the "if I stand out and take risks then I might be inconvenienced" type of thought.
Both are the most base parts of thought, with ultimately, morality aside, the least amount of reward comes with this type of thinking.
In taking another's burden, at least to a small degree, you will see returns, if not in benefit but in gratefulness.
Say you lift heavy things. If you make a point to cover for others when they're having issues, taking up the slack, helping others through personal issues, getting to know people, you initially have no benefit. It comes after.
Now say you like to take little breaks. Because you're known as dependable, and personable, people will now make exceptions and won't rat you out. Because you've stuck your neck out for others, they will do the same. This is group psychology, and even petty minds, like yours, bow to it casually.
This is taking advantage of your own mentality, which you have taken to extremes. Most people WONT stick their neck out unless you make the effort. But then they will. And that's how you become the leader instead of a meek follower. Leading by example. Gaining respect by good behavior towards others. Being dependable so you don't have to be.
You get the picture?
The people with the most morality have the ability to do every petty thing you want to do and can avoid everything you want to avoid, simply because they didn't act like the sheer faggot you outed yourself as today.
ac5e86 No.16441129
>>16441122
>In taking another's burden, at least to a small degree, you will see returns, if not in benefit but in gratefulness.
If they're good people. Karma unfortunately isn't real unless you believe someone's karma will be balanced in the afterlife.
5fe11a No.16441139
>>16441129
NOT EVEN if they're good people. If they fucking exist, even unga bungas bow to simple group mentality. Prove yourself good or fun to be around and people WILL cover your ass.
0df87e No.16441168
>>16441129
Karma is real but it's not any stupid magic mumbo jumbo, what goes around comes around that's all it is. You act like such a complete dick that nobody really wants anything to do with you then they won't just sit back apathetically, they'll sabotage whatever you're trying to accomplish for even the most simple tasks because just being around you is unpleasant and they want to get rid of you as quickly as possible. Even in the absolute hell of the most recent civil war in Serbia, guys who went around wantonly slaughtering whoever they wanted would quickly find themselves rushed by a mob and killed on the spot.
Of course there is karma for being stupid too.
a5335a No.16441170
>>16441122
It might take five people dying to fix the problems that led to the issue in the first place. The moral dilemma masks a larger problem. Your focus is being taken off what is important.
>just be part of a clique
>that makes you a good leader
No, it doesn't. What you describe is doing the bare minimum to not suffer internal politics. That's the approach of a beta. They don't win, and they never make good leaders.
a36192 No.16441196
>>16441168
>Karma is about not being stupid
Oh boy then you went and brought up race
7a3392 No.16441198
Law vs. Chaos is simple.
Law =/= legal laws
Law is following a hierarchy. Everyone has a clearly defined role and place. They take orders from those above them and carry them out whether this is due to loyalty or fear. Anything that upsets this order would be unthinkable, because it also jeopardizes ones own place in the hierarchy.
Chaos is survival of the fittest. Want to give orders? Fuck you faggot. Fite me. Even if forced to submit, they will still seek to overthrow everything, because it ensures the ones at the top will always be the most capable, and the bottom doesn't have talent wasted on menial tasks.
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>Jolteon will never eat you
>With his ass
2a838b No.16441215
>>16441045
Well, see, I couldn't even tell you what I know, because a lot of the math I could solve, but couldn't tell you what kind of math I was doing.
>How math are we talking, do you know transcendental functions (i.e., trig and exponentials)? Do you know calculus? Do you want to learn something outside the scope of "normal" public education math, like set or graph theory?
None of those, and I wouldn't mind some outside-high school stuff. Also, I'd rather learn with more hands-on stuff. The YouTube people don't exactly have handouts to practice on, do they?
523784 No.16441217
>>16441198
What you said was pretty retarded, but I'll just add:
>Chaos is survival of the fittest.
>survival of the fittest
This in of itself is an order.
b89979 No.16441219
3c75ae No.16441237
>>16440939
You think that's bad? I'm into lizard girls. And I say lizards specifically although I'm also into dragons because dragon scalies are beyond mary sue bullshittery and I don't want to be associated with them in any form. I still don't like snouts but lets be real kemonomimi is all the same shit.
7a3392 No.16441238
>>16441217
It is an order of struggle.
True chaos does not exist. Prove me wrong.
b89979 No.16441243
>>16441237
Not really but I like dragon girls too
0df87e No.16441253
>>16441196
>Oh boy then you went and brought up race
nani
280b9f No.16441262
>>16440981
>pic
>workplace safety
523784 No.16441287
>>16441262
What's your point?
>>16441238
>It is an order of struggle.
But that's not what you said before. You specifically said "Chaos is survival of the fittest.", "Law is following a hierarchy.". Guess what? The strongest are the lords of that hierarchy, and on the lowest rung are the premature dead. It is a hierarchy, it is not chaotic, according to your words.
Maybe you should think more on it.
523784 No.16441288
>>16441098
Not quite. Scientists denounce racism, for example, despite the evidence.
You fucking faggot.
>>16441168
Karma isn't real, but people do get their medicine, one way or another.
523784 No.16441289
>>16441288
*Racism as "existence of different races", because I know some moron is going to misinterpret what I wrote.
938a37 No.16441292
>>16441287
That's basically the contradiction of Chaos in shin megami tensei. Lucifer always says it's true freedom, but in practice all it creates is pockets where specific demons rule and mankind is completely boned. It tries to skew this by making the protagonist able to beat all of them therefore solving that consequence, but it just cannot erase the part where SMT always shows humans being subjugated by demons except for you.
It's most apparent in SMT1. The entire game you run into demons ruling with tyrannical fists and creating fucked-up local dystopias where law tries to keep order, but at the very end, oh wait, Law's God wants to nuke everyone and chaos dindu nuffin. It's a completely forced choice and really a no-brainer to switch to chaos after all, but independantly from the rest of the narrative. It's forced to portray Law as evil so Chaos can be even remotely presentable as a reasonable alternative.
636b3e No.16441301
>>16440770
I don't get the joke with this one. Adding three rows whose sum is 0 still results in total sum being 0. I have no idea how you could get 3S = 1 unless you purposefully ignored a negative 1.
c06436 No.16441305
>>16438961
why is its fur shining like it's skin? what a shit artist.
143094 No.16441307
I remember underhell actually let you have control in a hostage situation, honestly left me pretty frazzled:
Actually kind of spoilers: hl-style clean up crew antagonists have scientists in the room with them and tell you to surrender in the next [30 seconds] or they're going to shoot them. In those moments, I realized that it would be better for me survive than for us all to die, since the antagonists are obviously keen on killing everyone in the facility. I wait for them to go on the offensive after they fulfill their promise to kill the hostages, and slaughter everyone by the skin of my teeth. Actually felt kind of guilty for a while there
53d5f3 No.16441378
>>16440510
How can something of a certain size be filled with something of an infinite number?
c8ce94 No.16441477
>>16441378
I thought the same thing too. If there's an infinite number of particles (which take up space) then they can't possibly be contained.
94f548 No.16441486
>>16441378
>>16441477
It's provable with calculus. If you have a cone of infinite length, it's volume is still finite; however, it's surface area is still infinite, curiously enough.
1a185a No.16441495
>>16438961
The problem of putting Moral Dilemma's in games is morality is only applicable when one assumes an agent has free will otherwise their is no moral action that can be prescribed. However paradoxically video games are merely lines of deterministic code, and essentially a series of if/then scenarios. What that means is the developer is merely creating the illusion of player agency because all outcomes are ultimately predetermined. As an aside, this is one of the reason I hated Bioshock because it tried to make an implicit argument for determinism under the framework of a video game which is inherently bias by its very programed nature. That's not to say that developers can't try and implement moral dilemmas, but rather that these dilemmas are often superficial precisely due to the limitations of the medium and I would like to see at least a games developer be a bit more self aware of these limitation.
1a185a No.16441501
>at least a games dev
at least one games dev*
d8149a No.16441560
>>16441486
I don't believe that's true. The volume of a cone is (π(r^2)h)/3. Infinite height would give infinite volume, unless the radius is infinitesimal.
d59e0f No.16441563
>>16439089
Remove snout. Remove fur. Remove YOU.
78a721 No.16441570
>>16441495
I see, the medium as it is right now doesn't let something like real decisions based on one's morals take place because those decisions can't really have the consequences they would normally have in a non-controlled world, and they are limited on scope, number and consequences by the developers, but what if it wasn't like that? Let's take an hypothetical game with real artificial intelligence, and I mean real as in this artificial intelligence is no different than a human. This AI is produced at random when the game's world is first generated (all the NPCs receive an AI based on some random number or seed, and the world is randomly generated just like that) and then this world is populated with these different AIs. The AIs respond to actions/events depending on their randomly generated persona, and thus would respond to the player's actions. Would a real moral dilemma take place in such world? What if you as the player, for some unforseable reasons, are chosen to make a moral decison? Would this be a 'real' moral dilemma? I mean, there are AIs which are almost no different to a human with the only clear one being that these only exist in the digital world. Or because it's just a game/simulation then that means that whatever decision you make doesn't present any real moral dilemma since you can always restart the world, never play it again avoiding having to make a decision, or delete it and make a new one, all thing that would be impossible in the real world?
>>16440880
post more
b26501 No.16441573
>>16441495
>The problem of putting Moral Dilemma's in games is morality is only applicable when one assumes an agent has free will otherwise their is no moral action that can be prescribed.
Go away >>>/Christian/
10f283 No.16441587
1a185a No.16441588
>>16441570
Maybe hypothetically your idea might work providing AI could ever be that sophisticated. But I'm speaking more along the lines of recognizing the limitations of the medium and not trying to shoehorn your value system upon the player in appreciation of those limitations of the medium. I'm purposing the deterministic nature of code is why most moral choices in game's have an uncanny dissonance about them. That's why in some regards it best just to keep the mechanism simple clear and straightforward, when a writer tries to implement something more nuanced and complex it comes off intrinsically as somewhat aberrant.
>>16441573
you are fucking retarded.
<inb4 I was nearly pretending.
d59e0f No.16441628
>>16439260
> No reasonable man with a penis would consider big titty nympho dominatrix spider chicks evil
Anon, check your brain.
aeb682 No.16441631
>>16441486
Oioi. Gabriel's horn isn't a cone, it's the solid of revolution of the curve 1/x from 0 to infinity about the x axis.
51f21b No.16441636
>>16440845
You feeling okay, anon?
Bernard states he did not know which it was at the beginning. Therefore, it cannot be either 5 or 6 of anything, because each of those lines has only 1 option from his perspective.
1a185a No.16441660
>>16440062
>doesn't mean it was your duty
That presumption is where you are wrong. If you live in a society you have a duty towards your community because you profit from the benefits proved by society that is rightfully ordered. Its often how the law justifies bystander and good Samaritan laws.
804436 No.16441670
>>16440238
>Look this up hoping that it's a cute romance with a thick catgirl
>It's generic haremshit
Why am I still here? Just to suffer?
ced193 No.16441722
>>16439070
Evil alignment is someone who does evil or impure, and does things with selfish intent. Someone who is evil would be malevolent, spiteful, and selfish, but they may also simply work towards a goal they understand is not necessarily a morally positive ideal; if people have to get hurt or die to make things happen, so be it.
A person who is of lawful alignment adheres to a standard or code; they don't necessarily follow the laws as written. For example, a paladin may not necessarily follow the laws of the land if they clash with their code as paladins.
Lawful Evil is considered the most dangerous evil alignment because they are cold and methodical in everything they do; they don't simply go around recklessly murdering anybody in their path, instead preferring to be cold, calculating, and utterly dominating. Any example of Lawful Evil would be somebody that strives for an ordered society at any cost, or somebody who doesn't care if people get hurt or die so long as they can uphold their honor. Darth Vader or really any other Sith, DMC's Vergil, Eggman, the Lich King, and many others are considered Lawful Evil.
26cbbd No.16441754
>>16440210
But would you be saying the same if you were the one stuck on the tracks or being assaulted by Tyrone?
51f21b No.16441782
>>16441010
>>>/freedu/92
It's a shame people forgot about that board.
1a185a No.16441795
>>16441782
>board died
hhhhhmmmmmmmmmm I wonder why?
8e8c34 No.16441800
>>16439310
>second pic
>4 ears
042ad3 No.16441806
>>16439310
>Second Pic
Hyper Police got an anime?
a607bf No.16441904
>>16440579
I can speak their language can i? Then i would just incite them with a loaded question that would tick them off 100% of them time, since one of them would answer truthfully ergo having the best reaction, all that to remove 1 guy from the equation. After that it's just a coin toss.
For example:
>Hey, are you a cuckold that likes to watch your waifu gets gangbanged by ten fat old men? Y/N ?
<(If Tee) NO! [incomprehensible screeching]
51f21b No.16441908
>>16441795
>not pictured: hundreds of posts not pertaining to communism
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and act retarded?
675d97 No.16441941
>>16441908
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
b48867 No.16441946
>>16441941
Why did you delete >>16441928 ?
675d97 No.16441953
>>16441946
Because I left in two unrelated threads by accident.
fa6a96 No.16442097
The "the only moral choice is to stop playing the game" moral dilemma is patricians tier tbqh fam.
a5335a No.16442126
>>16441722
D&D alignment is fine, but games handle it in a retarded way. For example, Viconia in BG2. To love the player character she must undergo an alignment change. Somehow, the most significant decisions she makes during the course of her storyline are ignored, and some offhanded commitment to try to be a good girl is used as the point her alignment changes.
b0ed8d No.16442145
>>16441560
>>16441631
Oh I know, I was just using layman’s terms in case an exponential function was too hard or vague to visualize
cc2334 No.16442147
>>16439070
As yet another example although blown out of proportions, a chaotic evil individual who you have pissed off will come into your house, murder your family, throw your puppy in the oven, loot everything valuable not nailed down, and then burn the house down with you in it. A lawful evil individual you slighted will buy up the property around your house, improve the houses to the point you are forced to pay much higher taxes, maybe being forced to sell your furniture and your children into slavery to make ends meet, force you to put your dog to sleep because you couldn't afford the new tags and licenses he lobbied for, foreclose your house when you can no longer pay it, and then rent it back to you for a reasonable price, all while his brand new, cheaply bought servants move the furniture you sold back into the house.
The difference is essentially a chaotic evil person doesn't quite care for waiting. He wants something, he'll take it immediately. A lawful evil person will still want something (revenge, wealth, power, love even) but is fine with waiting. If the law and his power allows him to get what he wants, he'll use it and try to keep others from doing the same to him (for reference, the Drow great house infighting is blessed by their society, but only if they can kill all the witnesses that would be against them. If they fail or get sloppy the law states that the witnesses can essentially wipe that house out with the blessing of the other great houses) . If the law is more just (or built on the ideas of good aligned people) a lawful evil character will twist the law to suit their needs. A decent irl (although not completely lawful evil) is the Talmud to Torah. The Torah is supposed to be the word of God and followed, the Talmud is essentially thousands of years of theological teachings and research stating what can be done to get around those laws. You're still following the law, but not exactly the spirit usually. It could even be a taxman skimming a bit off the top for himself by increasing taxes on the people he's collecting them from. He still gets the kingdom it's money, but he also is pushing his power onto others for his own gains
ac5e86 No.16442175
>>16441588
> I'm purposing the deterministic nature of code is why most moral choices in game's have an uncanny dissonance about them.
While computers can't create true randomness, what if the consequence of your moral choice are randomized? Say a moral dilemma comes up in a game, similar to one of the many hypothetical moral dilemmas people love to argue about. People will often make smartass "real world" injections to the situation such as not knowing the full context of the situation and not knowing the potential butterfly effect of their actions. What if when the game presents morally grey choices A, B, and C, choosing A actually has 5 different randomly chosen possible outcomes, and the same for B and C? And these outcomes can differ not only by their results, but by the later revealed context of the choice in the first place.
By that last part I mean, imagine you have three boxes in a game. You can only choose one and after choosing one the contents of the other two are revealed. Choosing box A nets you a gold bar and B and C are revealed to be empty. But choosing box B nets you a rock and A and C are revealed to have swords. This sort of thing already occurs in games, but can could potentially be applied to moral choices to create a more realistic scenarios that better simulate the uncertainty of whether or not your choice was right as well as not force upon the player that any particular moral choice is the correct one.
ac5e86 No.16442184
>>16442175
I should that, you could also pick box and get a bone, while boxes B and C are then revealed to have oranges. As the results of the choice are randomized. However, you cannot open box A and get a rock, while B and C are revealed to have swords as is a possibilty if you chosen box B. Different moral choices should not potentially have the exact same results, though they may have similar results.
ac5e86 No.16442186
>>16442184
should add* that
1a185a No.16442205
>>16442175
But if the consequence are randomized then what is the point of making a choice in the first place? But even if we where to ignore that how would that help resolve the issues in term of game development? Writers and game designers are already too incompetent to deal with the tools as they exist now, how would confounding things resolve anything?
ac5e86 No.16442215
>>16442205
>But if the consequence are randomized then what is the point of making a choice in the first place?
Couldn't the same be said about real life? Unless you're omniscient and know exactly the full and long term consequences of any choice you make.
>how would that help resolve the issues in term of game development? Writers and game designers are already too incompetent to deal with the tools as they exist now, how would confounding things resolve anything?
Just because they're shitty at their jobs doesn't mean I can't imagine a scenario where they're better and do interesting things with games.
3dc1be No.16442217
>>16439229
>he doesnt even toxoplasmosis
>fag
But then he's not a fag exactly because he doesn't toxoplasmosis.
1a185a No.16442238
>>16442215
>Couldn't the same be said about real life?
While no one is omniscient there is at leas some semblance between causality. One can way the pros and cons of a choice and some people are better at predicting outcomes than others. In this retard the deterministic system while synthetic would still be a better tool for creating artificial moral dilemmas. Maybe you could order the RNG to line up with something you predetermined but then you are left with the same issue as before and it just seems unreasonable from a logistical standpoint. Game developers could barely juggle the issue in the Mass effect series, and it ultimately boiled down to rainbow Red/Green/Blue deus ex machina. Now imagine that but including an RNG element. Seems to be a impossibly complex system.
1a185a No.16442241
51f21b No.16442257
>>16441941
>go to board
>search for/hide threads so all that's left is marxist filth
>gee guise guess the board's ded :((((((((((
675d97 No.16442273
>>16442257
Left-wing politics do make up the plurality of threads though. I did not say that was the reason that the board was dead. I'm not >>16441795
63b665 No.16442281
>>16440579
>>16440657
Isn't this technically unsolvable? If you're unlucky enough to end up asking Arr anything then you just got fucked by RNG and wasted one of your questions. There's no foolproof way to solve it every time with a limited amount of questions
1a185a No.16442304
>>16442257
>Marxistism is a ideology that kills everything they touches.
<Don't blame Marxist for killing muh board guys!
675d97 No.16442318
>>16442300
There are 14 different combinations of {gender,day}. So for a family of two as you describe, there are 196 possible combinations.
However, only 27 of them include a boy who was born on a Tuesday. In 14, the older child fits the description and the younger is any of the others. In 14, the younger fits and the older is any of the others. Since one combination got counted twice, there are 14+14-1=27.
Similarly, 7+7-1=13 have two boys.
Since a parent who answers “yes” to your question is equally likely to have any of these combinations, the answer is 13/27.
dad905 No.16442337
>>16441795
Because little bitch anon would prefer to pretend ideas they don't like never existed rather than read anything about them?
dad905 No.16442343
>>16442273
A plurality can be anything from 99% to 1%, that means nothing without context.
1a185a No.16442353
>>16442337
>implying I am advocating censorship of your stupid marxist ideas
<implying I never read any Marxist literature or entertained Marxist idea even though we live in a world where Marxist indoctrination is so common place and ubiquitous in popular culture that not being a Marxist is actually the true counter culture.
wew are you really this retarded?
a5335a No.16442368
>>16442147
Lawful evil will often use the law like a sword. Things like censorship, hate speech, and hate crime laws are often lawful evil in nature. Their intention is to punish a specific group of people. A person might murder or assault someone without provocation, because they hate them. Who decides what form of hatred is acceptable and what form is not? Those who go along with such laws see it being used in their favor. A lawful evil person might believe they are a good person in a way that they fight for their own form of justice, which also happens to give them more power. Those who like to make lawful evil characters into cookie-cutter, saturday morning cartoon villains do so, because it masks their own villainy. What better way to distract away from your own evils, than with a fictitious, greater evil. There are many good ways to handle hatred between groups. Mediation is one. Separating groups and people is also another good approach. A lawful evil person will attack good laws and approaches, make them seem distasteful in the eyes of the populace, and then recommend worse laws that target their enemies.
675d97 No.16442378
>>16442343
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_(voting)
I would say that leftist politics make up 30% to 40% of threads.
675d97 No.16442413
>>16442353
>Marxist indoctrination is so common place and ubiquitous in popular culture that not being a Marxist is actually the true counter culture
Please show me all the marxist and communist states please (pro-tip: those societies are less socially liberal than capitalist liberal societies with your so called "marxist indoctrination").
Miscegenation =/= Marxism, Homosexuality =/= Marxism, Transexuality =/= Marxism, Feminism =/= Marxism
dad905 No.16442419
>>16442353
>implying I never read any Marxist literature or entertained Marxist idea even though we live in a world where Marxist indoctrination is so common place and ubiquitous in popular culture that not being a Marxist is actually the true counter culture.
I'd say that's actually quite a safe implication, since you seem to think Marxism is fucking everything.
a149eb No.16442433
>>16442413
>Miscegenation =/= Marxism, Homosexuality =/= Marxism, Transexuality =/= Marxism, Feminism =/= Marxism
But anon, those all came from the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism. Is that not true enough Marxism now?
344492 No.16442452
>>16442413
>implying the US isnt marxist
lel, its the weimar republic but with more jews, trannies and niggers!
675d97 No.16442457
>>16442433
>Cultural Marxism
Read a book nigger.
>Even intellectuals who have all the political arguments against bourgeois ideology handy, are subjected to a process of standardization which, whether in crassly contrasting content or through the readiness on their part to be comfortable, brings them closer to the prevailing Spirit [Geist], such that their standpoint objectively becomes always more arbitrary, dependent on flimsy preferences or their estimation of their own chances. What appears to them as subjectively radical, objectively belongs through and through to the compartment of a schema, reserved for them and their kind, so that radicalism is degraded to abstract prestige, the legitimation of those who know what today’s intellectuals should be for and against. The good things, for which they opt, have long since been acknowledged, their numbers accordingly limited, as fixed in the value-hierarchy as those in the student fraternities. While they denounce official kitsch, their sensibility is dependent, like obedient children, on nourishment already sought out in advance, on the cliches of hostility to cliches. […] That all cultural products, even the non-conformist ones, are incorporated into the mechanism of distribution of large-scale capital, that in the most developed lands a creation which does not bear the imprimatur of mass production can scarcely reach any readers, observers, or listeners, refuses the material in advance for the deviating longing. Even Kafka is turned into a piece of inventory in the rented apartment. Intellectuals themselves are already so firmly established, in their isolated spheres, in what is confirmed, that they can no longer desire anything which is not served to them under the brand of “highbrow”. Their sole ambition consists of finding their way in the accepted canon, of saying the right thing. The outsider status of the initiates is an illusion and mere waiting-time. It would be giving them too much credit to call them renegades; they wear overlarge horn-rimmed glasses on their mediocre faces, solely to better pass themselves off as “brilliant” to themselves and to others in the general competition. They are already exactly like them.
675d97 No.16442469
>>16442452
>implying the US isn't peak liberalism
cab122 No.16442473
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I liked this thread better when it was about furries and math.
a149eb No.16442485
>>16442457
So what was the point of the quote? To try and show off? This shit might work on leftypol, but as far as I've seen it has exactly nothing to do with the discussion and everything to do with you deflecting criticism of Cultural Marxism.
dad905 No.16442505
>>16442485
I've got a more relevant quote for you:
<Now, it is clear that the decline of a language must ultimately have political and economic causes: it is not due simply to the bad influence of this or that individual writer. But an effect can become a cause, reinforcing the original cause and producing the same effect in an intensified form, and so on indefinitely. A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks. It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts.
–George Orwell
Think real hard about how it applies to you.
a149eb No.16442517
>>16442505
>haha im so smrt
>these fools can;t even understand how 500IQ my point is
>i bet this guy doesn't even understand rick and morty
>if i paste more quotes i'll look smarter
Reddit is that way, pseudointellectual.
a5335a No.16442535
>>16442485
>that's not the doctrine I was duped into following
That is what he is trying to tell you.
1a185a No.16442542
>>16442505
>implying Orwellian dystopia is fascist
Yet its leftist like yourself crying from ever increasing censorship? hhhhmmmmmmm really makes you think.
a149eb No.16442547
>>16442535
>why don't you just make your point instead of pasting textwalls for no good reason except flaunting your nerdiness like a leddit atheist?
And that's what I was trying to tell him.
a149eb No.16442549
>>16442547
Not like it matters enormously since he's still advocating white genocide in one or another form.
dad905 No.16442555
>>16442542
>>implying Orwellian dystopia is fascist
rofl at what point did that quote mention fascism or anything from 1984 or Animal Farm? It's from an essay on writing style. I'll try to reword it since apparently 5 sentences was still too much for a brainlet to digest
DL;DR: If you use imprecise words to communicate, you will think imprecisely as well, and thus become an idiot.
344492 No.16442559
>>16442469
>muh liberals
Spoken like a true american hero
1a185a No.16442561
>>16442555
>>16442555
>Think real hard about how it applies to you.
anon you where implying, not Orwell.
675d97 No.16442581
>>16442517
If I were to give you something left-wing you wouldn't read it, so here's an explanation from a "traditionalist" website.
https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/02/the-co-option-of-the-left/
3d48c3 No.16442584
>>16442561
>Can only ever respond with copypastas of ever people's opinions and writing
>I'm the only free-thinking individual here
Communists really make me think
1d5fd0 No.16442604
>>16441477
Why aren't there more Raildex doujins with a girl getting kemonofied because SCIENCE?
86d68d No.16442606
>>16438961
You've fallen for one of the classic blunders OP. The first is never get involved in a land war in asia, but the second lass well known is never post a thread with an image more interesting than the text.
aeb682 No.16442613
>>16441215
No, but they tend to be (((sponsored))) by stuff that does.
But if you're just starting with high school math, I wouldn't say it's a bad thing to work through some algebra and trig problems again before trying calculus. I say, completely unable to provide stuff to practice on. Maybe "find" a textbook and its answer key for practice?
>>16442473
We going into Ambition territory now?
a149eb No.16442616
>>16442581
Why would I care? You fags think cultural marxism and white genocide was merely a subversion. You don't realise that the "subversion" was the entire point of leftism at any point. Back all the way to the French Revolution, there was pushes for globalism, normalisation of pedophilia, destruction of morals in the name of freedom. Brain dead nigger cattle communists who can't think past their next protest are the reason the Jew's Long March works so well.
ac5e86 No.16442632
675d97 No.16442633
>>16442584
I'm not a communist, nor am I particularly left wing.
>>16442616
>globalism, normalisation of pedophilia, destruction of morals in the name of freedom
a149eb No.16442661
>>16442633
>did cultural liberals destroy the family
>no, that was classical liberalism, it's an original ideology, do not steal
So, pretty much exactly what I was saying except with the usual leftist arguing about exactly which dialect of leftism you believe in?
3dc1be No.16442678
>>16442661
Real liberalism has never been tried before.
675d97 No.16442703
>>16442661
you be the judge
a149eb No.16442724
>>16442703
It doesn't matter what specifically they believe in, when they believe in degenerate individualism at the heart of it all. It doesn't make a difference to me whether you follow Trotsky, Marx, Stalin or Mao. If you believe in any type of leftism, you deserve a free helicopter ride.
675d97 No.16442742
>>16442724
>when they believe in degenerate individualism
Are you sure you're talking about marxism?
Anyway, what were we talking about again?
83ddb8 No.16442765
>>16442559
>pic 2
I'd fuck that little fagboy like the good little cockslut he is.
a149eb No.16442790
>>16442742
Marxism, or at least its cultural wing, is responsible for most of the gayfaggotry invading the western world.
Anyway, we were talking about catgirls and logical problems.
94fda8 No.16442810
>>16439007
A bigger moral dilemma would be to either let everyone who's posted on this thread die with their dicks out by trolley or to flip the switch and make the trolley go elsewhere where's there no people instead.
Oh wait a minute, I shouldn't get involved as there's a chance I was baited into it so I guess I'll have to let it happen. Sorry /v/!
>>16440062
a53c6b No.16442941
>>16440933
Thing is, the chance of having a child any given day of the week is 1/7, every day has the same chances. So the chance of said child being a boi or gurl is 1/2.
We multiply to get the chances of both things happening at once: so the chances of having A BOY on TUESDAY is 1/2*1/7=1/14. Easy enough.
Now, a mother has to have both childs the same day. So, the chances of having a son, 1/2, a second son, 1/2, the first one on a tuesday, 1/7, the second one on a tuesday, 1/7.
1/2*1/2*1/7*1/7=1/196, or about 0,05% chance.
Pretty low if you ask me
55eb3d No.16443203
>>16439070
Except Mother Teresa was a fucking evil and horrible human being. She actively advocated the propogation of pain, cruelty and suffering of the impoverished under the pretext that it brings them closer to God. She is the very definition of Lawful Evil.
Polite sage for off-topic. Fuck Mother Teresa.
83cadf No.16443433
83cadf No.16443441
>>16443203
sauce? I've never actually heard anyone criticize her before. It's usually praise or indifference.
1d5fd0 No.16443542
>>16443433
Fluffy Saten is a massive improvement.
ac5e86 No.16444856
10f283 No.16444865
>>16442616
What was capitalism in the 18th century if not "subversion"?
a149eb No.16445627
>>16444865
>how do we solve the problems created by our retarded ideologies?
<double down on being retarded, obviously!
communism is a mental disease
163055 No.16446020
>>16439731
Worthy of a screencap.
b8c60b No.16446150
>>16440210
honestly just jumping into the tracks and killing yourself along with the 1 guy sounds like a morally stable ground
sure its "your responsiblity" you still got the guy killed, but may as well off yourself in the process.
2c2cab No.16447337
>>16440966
What if they need to all be pulled at the same time?