168460 No.16414193
>lost 14 employees including all the leads on destiny in a month
>Not layoffs but employees in significant positions jumping ship to places like Santa Monica Studios and Vicarious Visions
>No replacements have been hired
>Destiny 2's last event in their season pass was an infinite hoard mode with no changes or escalation. Literally a mob farm which is suggesting their post Activision split has seen a massive income/resources drop since shockingly people aren't buying their cash shop items like they expected
>Brand is in the shitter and no new players coming in
>Made D2 change tone to be light and jokey in a 'soooo quircky' bioware kind of way that pushed away pve players at launch
>Balanced the pvp for esports so its 'fun to watch streamers play' -yes you read that right not fun to play but easy to watch on a stream- and its regarded as the worst pvp in any bungie game.
>remaining playerbase getting worried
>Bungie putting up a total wall of silence.
So this really leaves only a few possibilities
>1: Without the Activision money they had to cut salaries so people left for greener pastures, with their next game being made be a B team on a heavily cut budget.
>2: They are aiming to change the tone and structure again for Destiny 3 and they want different people and amicably split.
>3: Internal drama and blowups as the game is flopping and no longer has activisions hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising to bring players in/back has people wanting to leave a sinking ship
>4: There is no Destiny 3 and D2 is going to be shifted to a live service game to try and milk what little whales/streamers they have who religiously defend the game to the last and these people are no longer needed as the company is shifting focus to the game is been given a huge investment to make for Tencent.
We live an in age where people are excited for 343 to bring Halo 3, ODST and Reach to PC while Bungie is silently crashing and burning and only because of Fallout 76 and Anthem getting more clicks did people not even notice. What a time we live in lads.
7be787 No.16414199
I'm sure Nintendo and Retro Studios are trying to get Bungie employees to work on Metroid Prime 4. Retro had a huge job opening recently so I expect Bungie people to show up there.
4a757f No.16414201
>>16414193
Got a source on that? because only read about two weeks ago about them "Changing leadership", wonder if that champagne party when Activistion let them go was premature of them.
54e050 No.16414208
Kinda late with your diagnosis there, doc. Bungie has been dead since Destiny 1. Life support isn't going to cut it anymore.
a7649c No.16414210
After the absurd amount of damage halo caused to the FPS genre it is so incredibly goddamn satisfying seeing the series get pozzed to hell and watching Bungie squirm in agony while they slowly die.
6d5e02 No.16414215
>>16414210
FPS was already a shadow of its former self after Valve unleashed Half-Life 2 on the genre and turned it into linear cinematic corridorfests with slow movement and hollow unsatisfying weapons. Halo just brought the movement speed down a little bit more.
18bf12 No.16414218
>>16414193
>>Destiny 2's last event in their season pass was an infinite hoard mode with no changes or escalation.
The problem with that event is that it's a copy/paste of a Halloween event but with more grind for an exotic weapon.
c3f734 No.16414219
I just wanted a Myth sequel.
a72e59 No.16414220
>>16414210
>>16414215
FPS was always bad you faggots
18bf12 No.16414245
>>16414193
Don't forget how Sony fucked up the game with their exclusive content and told Bungie to not allow character transfer from one platform to another (even the PC version).
168460 No.16414270
>>16414245
I can just imagine them going "haha, too big to fail!" after leaving Microsoft to "oh fuck we bollocksed it!" to "o-okay we focus test the fuck out of the sequel and make it what streamqueens want and microtransactions will cover our losses!" to "aw, aw crumbs! aw bugger and shite! we're out of dosh m8's, lads where are youn's going!"
41ba48 No.16414279
>>16414270
Why are Bungie bongs in your imagination?
6850b3 No.16414286
>>16414215
>slow movement is always a bad thing
Doomfag confirmed.
18bf12 No.16414296
>make an entire expansion about one of the main characters
<can't even get the original voice actor back for the role
>>16414193
>Balanced the pvp for esports
I don't understand why they went full sweat "no fun allowed" for the PVP. The first game had vehicles in multiplayer, it wasn't perfect but they could've built on top of it.
168460 No.16414301
>>16414296
Remember running over people in warthogs in halo?
That was ruining too many streamers ebig montages so they were removed FOR FUCKING STREAMERS SO THEY COULD MAKE KILLSTREAK MONTAGES
05acde No.16414305
>>16414286
>be a zoomer
>can't even zoom
Why live?
185cbd No.16414310
>>16414218
And not even a particularly good exotic weapon.
41ba48 No.16414312
>>16414296
>"no fun allowed" for the PVP
Modern multiplayer design is focused around putting out equal parts satisfaction and frustration to as to psychologically manipulate the less intelligent into buying microtransactions. Same reason casino's sell drinks and cigarettes.
277515 No.16414325
>>16414296
They did proceed to un-fuck the PVP in Destiny 2, but you have to drop 40$ on Foreskin to remain competitive, and another 30$ on the in-DLC season pass.
168460 No.16414328
>>16414312
^This.
Fun fact: Gears of War pioneered a system where until you get 5 match wins you are nigh invincible and do extra damage behind the scenes because someone who loses their first match in terms of meathead zoomers are unlikely to play again and stay around for the 'funpay minibuys' so they 'massage the concierge narrative' so they think they are hot shit and throw some money down then stick around because of sunk cost fallacy.
277515 No.16414330
>>16414328
>Gears of War pioneered a system where until you get 5 match wins you are nigh invincible and do extra damage behind the scenes
I refuse to believe that without any actual evidence.
abdc8c No.16414339
>>16414257
It makes me so happy when people use Ultros for puns instead of that hitchhiking beaner kid.
>>16414301
>That was ruining too many streamers ebig montages so they were removed
Why not just make a playlist solely reserved for streaming faggots?
Or set up a personal server with your own custom ruleset an-
oh
277515 No.16414344
>>16414339
>Or set up a personal server with your own custom ruleset an-
You can set up a custom match with a modified ruleset in D2, which makes it even funnier that the entire game was unplayable garbage for a year because of changes ecelebs wanted
bfca85 No.16414359
>>16414193
>Destinity 2 fag is at it again, still adamantly refusing to source his shit
At least you kept it in your pants for a while.
41ba48 No.16414362
>>16414359
hey, it's the Activision pajeet!
ed3290 No.16414364
yeah i think after leaving Activision its make it or break it for Bungie
they need to ship another game that does everything good they couldnt do successfully (for whatever reasons) before
18bf12 No.16414377
>>16414328
>Gears of War pioneered a system where until you get 5 match wins you are nigh invincible and do extra damage behind the scenes
Really? I've never heard of that.
>>16414301
Yeah but the vehicles in Destiny 1 were in a dedicated game mode, there was no real reason for removing it in D2.
>>16414312
Modern multiplayer design is also too focused on the hero shooter gimmick with the abilities and the super, even the 3 recent CoD have that kind of shit. It makes the player feel special and requires no skill. I think it breaks the flow of the game too.
>>16414364
I agree, this time they can't hide behind Activision for their mistakes. To this day people believe that Activision is responsible for what happened in D1 and D2 while in reality it was Bungie's fault and Activision kept throwing money at them.
277515 No.16414385
>>16414377
Well, the D1 re-write/restart more than halfway through development was Activision, if I remember right. Everything else, including all of D2's first year, the turbojewish microtransactions and DLC within DLC was on Bungie.
c3f734 No.16414388
>>16414330
IIRC it wasn't that you were invincible, but that the game matched you with players of lower rank so that you could win more easily.
168460 No.16414393
>>16414330
>https://mp1st.com/news/gears-of-war-multiplayer-design-choice-gave-first-time-players-a-big-boost
Fuck this was actually hard to track down, its like its been scrubbed off the internet but there you go. Other fun examples include enemies in Bioshock will always miss their first 3 gunshots at you, enemies in DmC move in slow motion when your camera looks away from them and counterstrike turns on a micro aimbot after you land your first hit.
All to make the casual have less of a challenge and feel like a fukken 1337 gamerboi without noticing the training wheels and daddy still holding the bike seat behind them.
Its all about the illusionist not making the crowd see the trick in progress and only what they want to see.
168460 No.16414397
>>16414359
Activision street shitter they dont even have a relation to your brand anymore so dont need your defence, please return to trying and failing to push overwatch and call of duty blopsmowwaw2k19 or whatever is on your roster this week.
277515 No.16414403
>>16414393
Huh, well, that's depressing.
>enemies in DmC move in slow motion when your camera looks away from them
That's been a thing in every DMC game, except they don't move in slow motion, but will rarely attack from offscreen. There's some skill involved in that since you can actually manipulate it to your advantage, by splitting up groups of enemies and knocking enemies off the screen.
5b153f No.16414413
>>16414403
Used to do the same shit in smb when trying to blast through haunted houses
2ae80e No.16414649
Remember when FPS was about weapon spawns and controlling the map so as to keep access to said weapon spawns and use them to win? Hell, even the Halo games that Bungie themselves put out were about this.
Now FPS is about hero ability bullshit and "loadouts", where whoever has unlocked the best shit or paid for it wins. No map control aside from maybe annoying no fun chokepoints. Where did it all go wrong?
168460 No.16414687
>>16414649
That was "maliciously camping other light users mirth coefficient".
Its almost like you still think these are games of skill and not placating grazing material to stop you realising you are in a macro rat city experiment.
Next you will think adverts and the news are to sell products and tell you about facts.
24c89e No.16414763
>>16414210
Really this is all that's needs to be said. Bungie was confirmed garbage the minute they sided with microsoft to create console garbage.
fe7832 No.16414770
>>16414763
Halo 1 was a good game. Anyone who tries to deny this is a contrarian faggot.
0c4f7e No.16414779
>>16414312
>meanwhile most popular shooter in the world is most coorazy shooter ever existed
24c89e No.16414799
>>16414770
Post the babbies first fps images of serious sam, and quake. I know you have them.
fe7832 No.16414809
>>16414799
? I know you're used to strawmen and EPIC reaction images but I liked Quake and Doom as well.
bd4f2b No.16414925
>>16414393
>it's been scrubbed from the internet
>better not archvie it
Do you have brain damage? http://archive.fo/mTXzz
thanks for posting, though; i hadn't heard of this particular form of psychological warfare
bd4f2b No.16414933
>>16414770
Halo is fine for what it is, but what it is (and the effects it had on the industry tanks to normalfags who didn't understand the genre) isn't good. Nobody has a problem with devs making differently focused games, but Halo was THE starting point for the waves of imitators and console-focused design that tanked the genre down to what we know it as today.
I think Ross said it best: "If you'd told me 20 years ago that FPSs would be having their fundamental design changed in order to be playable on consoles, instead of those consoles having different kinds of games developed for them, I'd have called you an idiot." And yet here we are.
97a961 No.16415099
>>16414215
Halo popularised weapon limits, health regen and started the trend of shooters being catered to consoles.
>FPS was already a shadow of its former self
Halo pre-dates HL2
8ac9a2 No.16415104
>>16414193
bungie died after oni so who cares
97a961 No.16415123
>>16414649
>Remember when FPS was about weapon spawns and controlling the map so as to keep access to said weapon spawns and use them to win?
Building a meta-game around the player winning because he's always got a better weapon as opposed to actually being better at combat is one thing I'm glad fell out of fashion. Especially since that shit emphasises the disadvantage you could be at if you don't know the map layout.
What we need more of is shooters which let you pick your ideal weapon going into the fight but allow switching it out with weapons that fallen players have dropped to better adapt to the situation at hand.
fe7832 No.16415139
>>16414933
Halo shouldnt be blamed for the sins of its backbiters.
312a96 No.16415141
>sell game for 60$
>sell dlc for 30$
>sell more dlc 30$
>sell season pass for new dlc for 60$
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, I MARKETED THE GAME DUDE WHAT THE FUUUCK, BIGGED GAME MECHANICS
c3f734 No.16415238
>>16415141
Don't forget
>sell lootboxes in a $60 game
>sell items in a $60 game
>include cooldown timers
>season pass doesn't include all the DLCs and items on sale
Might as well gas everyone involved in the gaming industry and start from scratch.
033c18 No.16415292
>>16415123
Loadouts are the gayest way of doing FPSs.
40e5ef No.16415315
They deserve to die for destroying Halo's reputation by giving it up to 343.
10e037 No.16415339
>>16414210
Halo 2 was good though?
c9df13 No.16415401
fb1924 No.16415873
>>16414403
I think a lot of games do this, but that was why good fixed cameras are a bit of a lost art. The games do that so that the player doesn't feel like they are hit by a cheap shot that they weren't expecting because they didn't see the visual cue, though the sound cue is there, so it shouldn't bother good players much. A good fixed camera, though, will allow the player to see everything going on around them at the time, and will prevent the need to adapt for enemies being off camera.
b38d4f No.16415921
>>16414403
A lot of games do this. However in DMC5 (and I think previous games) once you crank the difficulty to DMD they will start attacking you off-screen.
e2ec46 No.16416122
>>16414201
My dad works at Bungie, can confirm.
4e0fc1 No.16416154
>>16414193
>We live an in age where people are excited for 343 to bring Halo 3, ODST and Reach to PC while Bungie is silently crashing and burning and only because of Fallout 76 and Anthem getting more clicks did people not even notice. What a time we live in lads.
Yeah because when the two companies slit literally all the devs with actual talent stayed behind at 343 and Microsoft. Halo 4 was mediocre and Halo 5 was downright forgettable but even they were both better then Destiny 1 and 2, that's really saying something.
The truth is that Bungie without the 343 guys were never good and were never going to make it.
8be0cd No.16416155
>>16414210
This, I especially relish the tears of shit-swilling Halo fanboys.
7415ff No.16416267
>>16415139
On an academic level, yes, but the backbiters wouldn't have gotten in the door if it hadn't been for Halo opening it. It's entirely possible some other game would have given rise to an even worse trend (you could argue HL2 doomed the FPS genre regardless of Halo's contributions), but we know that Halo did give rise to bad trends.
7415ff No.16416283
>>16416154
>Halo 4 was mediocre and Halo 5 was downright forgettable but even they were both better then Destiny 1 and 2, that's really saying something.
My favourite part in this fiasco which is approaching half a decade in the making (Halo 5 was released in 2015, feel old yet?) is that Halo 5 took such shameless inspiration from Destiny, but it didn't do anything right, even with the benefit of hindsight.
>use Guardians as a subtitle, which is the name of the player characters' occupations in Destiny
>party-based at all times and uses a downed-teammate system, just like Destiny
>plot is some bullshit space magic instead of focusing on the characters who made Halo a household name, just like Destiny
I know it's a bit of a stretch, but the two series seem to be on a collision course, lore-wise.
7d70da No.16416300
>>16414210
Nah. That was Half-Life.
Good thing that Steam is fucking dying though. LMAO
4e0fc1 No.16416301
>>16416283
> but the two series seem to be on a collision course, lore-wise.
I'd agree if Destiny actually had lore to begin with but it doesn't. If anything 343 took some early story concepts from Bungie before the two split and just wrote Gaylo 5 based around some early sci-fi fantasy concepts the Bungie guys wrote before the Bungie guys ran off with it and made Destiny. 343 was scraping the bottom of the barrel for story ideas basically
000000 No.16416304
>>16414193
Bungie was never good, and never made a good game.
Baby's First FPS was always shit.
>>16414210
/thread
>>16414359
You game is dead. Your company will die soon.
Everything that you try to do will always fail.
>>16414770
>>16415139
>muh contrarian
>muh it is not the game's fault when it is the game's fault
That is the brain damaged by soy in it's full dementia.
>>16415123
>reddit spacing
>can't get good at playing games
Always.
>>16415238
>Might as well gas everyone involved in the gaming industry and start from scratch.
This.
>>16415401
>zoomer can't zoom
>still butthurt for being unable to get good
41ba48 No.16416307
>>>/v/16416300
>the chink is still spamming this
7d70da No.16416327
>>16416307
>halo is bad nazi garbage
>but half-life is good good good!
Half-Life introduced:
>non-cinematic cutscenes
>health at every corner
>auto-aim
>bullet sponge enemies
>complete puzzle to progress
>MUH STORY
and most importantly
>Steam online DRM
What you claim Halo for doing Half-Life did 10x worse.
Even more-so because Half-Life infected other genres as well through its Steam cancer. Get real, Half-Brain weenie.
a81cf9 No.16416361
>>16416300
Valve is a multi-billion dollar corporation. I know that
>(((Steam)))
is a meme here, but Steam is not dying just because you personally don't like it.
bfca85 No.16416386
>>16416304
Shut the fuck up Luciano.
3119e2 No.16417188
>>16414359
This. I want to celebrate but without sources everything OP said means fuck all.
b9a1b0 No.16417200
>>16414312
>Same reason casino's sell drinks and cigarettes.
>casino's
Fuck off ESL and/or retard
017406 No.16417211
>>16416154
Zoomer confirmed. All of the important Old Guard, the Grizzled Ancients, stayed with Bungie. The new school faggots and that Frankie reddit-memer fuck left to 343. Shiek, Marty, McLees, etc stayed until they fired Marty , of course.
c04032 No.16417261
>>16414210
This just makes me nostalgic for 2004 again. Halo 2 and HL2 weren't out yet, and consoles didn't require logins, internet or email. The PS2 was clearly a superior product (not a service) over the PS1 and Steam was an exception not the rule. Gaming "media" was still niche and not filled with hipsters and faggots, although with all the recent layoffs I get the feeling we're returning to that.
It's been a long journey. Obama, now Trump when I didn't think W would get a second term.
b10d86 No.16417262
>>16415292
Loadouts are noobs salt harvesters. With picking weapons metagame they could always blame their loss on the "op gun". With loadouts they free to pick any "op gun" but they still suck after.
41ba48 No.16417266
457828 No.16417268
>>16414193
Shouldn't have sold Halo, dumb niggas
c04032 No.16417277
>>16416267
HL2 didn't doom it, but only because gabe is a big fat fucking nigger faggot who didn't complete Ep3. Ep2's increased use of the car/physics was the right way to go, had Valve upgraded their engine enough for larger battles and proper car combat it would have worked out extremely well and other games would have tried to copy it.
Instead, all we got is that one Mad Max game which is good but stands alone. Rage as well, but Rage is shit and the ending is infuriatingly terrible.
45093b No.16417285
Bungie died when they were bought. They actually made a blog post on the day as soon it happened saying its over and they shut their servers down.
You could compare it to when Blizzard was bought.
Good companies being worn as skins is just a sad development in gaming that ended the golden age.
4b1cba No.16417287
>>16417268
>I don't know anything: the post
>nigga
First off part of the contract they signed basically forced them to hand Halo over to microsoft (just like Insomniac and Naughty Dog ended up having to lose the rights to Spyro and Crash respectively).
And then what of it? Bungie wanted to end Halo at 3, Reach was kind of a "ok we did it now fuck off" game so they could complete their contractual obligation to MS
>>16417262
Loadouts in reach were fine, everyone had access to the same shit to start with, it wasn't like CoD where the loadout is consigned to a few presets and some customs ones where everything can be different. People bitch about loadouts in Halo because they were either grouped into two catergories
>retards who wanted to abuse sprint to double melee
>Retards that always tried to run over people
Reach's real sin was hitscan weapons, especially on the tank's main gun (and why the tank no longer really appears in Hemorrhage), the made all the ballistic weapons hitscan but still left plasma weapons with a travel time.
0b13ab No.16417385
>>16414215
>FPS was already a shadow of its former self after Valve unleashed Half-Life
fify
b8590f No.16417615
>make looter shooter
>make all of the loot total garbage with static rolls instead of random ones like the first game
>community leaves
>revert the changes back partially
>people start coming back
>fuck off from activision and deliver slow stream of boring content with no new loot to back it up
>fire majority of leads
NetEase gib more money pl0x
4e0fc1 No.16417684
>>16417211
They were all mediocre hacks standing on the shoulders of competent people anon. Martin O'Donnell is a generic Hans Zimmar wannabe
4e0fc1 No.16417703
>>16417689
>/b2/ is so retarded they think anyone here cares about Gay of Thrones
Oh no I bet you're going to spoiler Avengers Endgame next
05d013 No.16417706
>>16417703
It’s logical to assume that faggots watch gay shit. You may be an outlier.
cc5737 No.16417714
>>16417689
somebody stop this madman dear god stories are horrible if you know the arbitrary twists in advance
286489 No.16417733
Can't remember the last time I thought about Destiny before this thread. Thought it was dumb that they made a sequal to begin with.
286489 No.16417739
dfd351 No.16417763
>>16417689
Wait you think people here give a shit?
cb459e No.16417788
>>16414193
Why was there so much hype around Destiny? The game didn't look fun to begin with.
02533f No.16417910
>>16417261
You think we will ever see a return to form before normalfagfags and niggers started shitting everywhere in gaming?
168460 No.16418017
>>16417689
>When you think you are shitposting on /tv/ and ruin the day of illiterate plebs but didn't even check the board name.
Embarrassing.
000000 No.16418068
>>16417266
They will always try (and fail) to force the idea that their failures are not failures.
It is guaranteed that they are indeed, failing in all fronts, when those shills show up.
>>16417268
Halo was the cancer that started all this.
>>16417285
There are no good companies. Ever.
bbbe30 No.16418072
>>16417706
>>16417703
I've never watched nor cared about gays of thrones but why do people here hate it so much?
cb459e No.16418077
>>16418072
>dude
>sex and death
>lmao
That's all 8 seasons of GoT.
3d9d67 No.16418086
>>16414215
>linear cinematic corridorfests with slow movement and hollow unsatisfying weapons.
more important than "unsatisfying weapons" is absolutely no enemy variety and mechanically vapid enemies that requires no more than holding w + mouse1 to counter
bbbe30 No.16418088
>>16418077
So its just a millennial deadpool?
2e53cf No.16418128
>>16418088
Are you implying deadpool isn't for millenials?
20b500 No.16418185
>>16418088
Other than that they're both shit, not really. It's bad for other terrible reasons.
41ba48 No.16418217
>>16417684
Being compared to Hans Zimmer has to be the biggest insult for a vidya composer. At least Martin made an iconic leitmotif, even if it was blatantly plagiarized.
35c5d5 No.16418326
>the turok series died because halo toddlers wouldn't want anything else
Feels good fam
35c5d5 No.16418328
>>16414215
>implying nu/v/ has even played both half-life games
3e30e1 No.16418375
I love seeing Bungie threads because every single time it gets flooded with people who have never played the games needing to shit on it.
9b1616 No.16418391
>>16414193
Forsaken was legitimately good and a step on the right direction. PVP is better on a technical level but no fun allowed. The game actually has characters with arcs instead of poorly developed metaphysical concepts like LIGHT and DARKNESS floating over your head. Gambit is one of the most fun modes of any multiplayer FPS. I agree with the rest you said.
But yeah, even if Forsaken suggests Bungie getting it's shit together on a artistic level the split with Actvision, the lack of interesting seasonal updates and the talent leaving is a sign of the company crashing and burning. People tend to forget that Destiny 1 launched in the state it did because the higher ups were so disconnected with the state of development of their own company that based on a single vertical slice video presented to them they decided to scrap a more story-focused Destiny and turn it into the barebones multiplayer borefest we saw in 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tML5yjvB1gE
4b1cba No.16418453
>>16418328
Half-life 1 is a fun game and doesn't bog you down in the story. HL2 and it's episodes are a slog because it's setpiece-stuck in cutscene-setpiece.
The only "stuck in cutscene" situation in HL1 is the start, up to the start of the resonance cascade, but it makes SOME sense in that it makes you feel like you're following a checklist for the day (stop in the locker room, grab your HEV suit, talk to the guard to be let in, listen to your colleagues talk about the procedure you're about to do, do the actual procedure).
HL2 in it's final state is and always will be a mess. It's essentially HL1's intro with some combat spattered in there
e83780 No.16418489
>>16417266
Stop quoting like this you insufferable faglord.
41ba48 No.16418529
>>>/v/16418489
Starved fo (you)'s pajeet?
649ea4 No.16418590
>>16418391
I hate Destiny because it chased the e-sports consumer crowd.
Not to be confused with actual e-sports or pro players, though i don't like them much either.
What I'm talking about are the fans and wannabe's. The sweaty players who will chop down a game into the bare meta and then abuse the poor networking and meta to their advantage in supposedly "casual" multiplayer.
By themselves these people are mostly harmless, but in the wrong game they are completely insufferable.
Take CS:GO for example, the meta is basically to buy an AK-47 when you can afford it. Nobody complains about AK-47's when playing CS:GO.
It's a thorough-bred competitive game and the determining factor in winning is your aim and your positioning/strategy. Also, because sever-browsing exists you can still have fun in a non-competitive manner, like on a surf sever or something.
With Destiny 2 you don't get that option. Every time you go into the crucible it's like they are trying to emulate CS:GO style competitive, but there's the awkward fact that they have an entire mmo's worth of gear and powers that people want to use.
The gear and the superpowers completely ruin the balance and when combined wityh the sweaty player base it just makes the whole multiplayer experience frustrating rather than satisfying. It's a shame because the game is actually very beautiful and is extremely well optimized.
Because there is no sever-browsing, there is no alternative to what Bungie says is the multiplayer. And because they went with the e-sports consumer crowd that means their demands are put front and center. And their demands will always be to simplify the game down to CS:GO. Endless whining and crying for balance changes.
It's a problem that other games have to, like Vermintide 2. That game is a Co-op game and yet people still cry for nerfs.
If Bungie just added Tanks/veichles/more content/ and added a sever browsing feature the multiplayer would fix itself.
Hell, they have added multiplayer content in the form of Gambit, but it still caters to the competitive crowd, so it's only a band-aid for the inherent flaws D2's multiplayer has.
41ba48 No.16418650
>>16418590
Game companies seem to really not understand people liked esports because they were playing the game at a level most people didn't even comprehend in comparison to what they usually did. When everyone is esports it just becomes mundane at best.
e64bb0 No.16418732
>>16418489
modern cuckchannelers think giving a (You) is giving internet points because their brains were infected by reddit
bbbe30 No.16418820
>>16418128
>>16418185
not deadpool the character you fucking idiots
41ba48 No.16418830
>>16418820
That one has a space you dunce.
77585d No.16419228
>>16418590
Another major problem with the PVP is the fact that there simply are weapons, and an entire class designed purely so that retarded people could compete with better players. The Titan class, and specifically the Sentinel and Sunbreaker trees with shoulder bash. The shoulder bash has incredibly retarded tracking, a super short cooldown, kills in one fucking hit, and the map design allows you to run up to people super easily. The shit netcode also means that even if you kill the nigger charging at you, he'll most likely get the bash off and you'll trade. The sentinel has the incredibly obnoxious supressor grenades, which turn off your double jump and all other abilities for ten seconds, and can turn off your super, the sunbreaker has the thermite grenade which locks down whole hallways for ten seconds, and takes more than half your health if it even grazes you. Then, you get to the supers, where the sentinel gets the bullshit throwing shield that autotracks and gives you free multikills, and the sunbreaker gets a free tracking rocket launcher for eight to ten shots. Don't even get me started on Jotunn and the other bullshit.
cebdde No.16420196
>>16417763
Isn't that the manga where the female lead has reverse progeria that can only be treated by tongue fucking the male lead due to some enzyme in his spit? iirc it ends with an over the top action sequence and a rather wholesome epilogue.
sage for off-topic
3119e2 No.16420521
>>16417266
How am I Bungie for wanting sources? I fucking hate Bungie.
829521 No.16421435
>>16414210
>>16414215
>Blaming software, instead of the Developers and Publishers for being unoriginal talentless hacks.
I don't know if this was always technically a problem in the game industry or if it's something that has just sprung up. But it's kind of like hey remember when Castlevania came out you didn't see a million Castlevania clones right? But when Street Fighter 2 came out you saw a lot of fighting games come out but even most of those tried to be different and at least have their own gimmicks and characters. Same thing with Final Fantasy 7, after that there was a huge Boom for console RPGs but I can't think of any of them that actually totally ripped off Final Fantasy 7 story or mechanics wise or even character design wise. For some reason though when it to doom, quake, half life, System Shock 2, and Halo. Well you guys already know the story and remember all of the horrible first person shooters that have come out over the last decade and a half.
For the most part though it felt like everybody wanted to be Halo mixed with BioShock. Now we have hero shooter clones, MOBA clones, and Battle Royale clones. Why can't we get some goddamn Devil May Cry and Bayonetta clones?. If the game companies are going to be unoriginal hacks they could at least cater to underserved markets of The Gaming Community.
Although I've read interviews with Developers… several times and a lot of them say the same thing. No publisher will green light any game unless it's derivative of something that's sold extremely well. ( side note all Final Fantasy Tactics clones I want to play are all in Japanese god dammit!)
dfd351 No.16421452
>>16420196
I'm stunned that you guessed this
684d5f No.16421631
>>16418453
>HL2 and it's episodes are a slog because it's setpiece-stuck in cutscene-setpiece.
No it isn't, you retarded memekid. You won't find a single mention of that in the criticism it received at release. It's all crap you absorbed on imageboards from faggots treating Fear and Stalker like identity politics.
If only there was a way to lock the Halo generation out of this site.
cb459e No.16421723
>>16421631
I keep hearing the "cutscene" and "movie" argument about HL2 all the time now on /v/. I wish these people would at least fucking play the game they're shitting on, it's not that long.
41ba48 No.16421765
Man, reddit sure gets bootyblasted when you shit on Half Life.
3e30e1 No.16421787
>>16421631
>weren't complaints about it on release
>therefore it just doesnt exist lmao
You're a fucking retard.
d7410f No.16421798
>>16414193
>no source
reminder bungie employs like 750 people 14 is fucking nothing
061fbb No.16421837
>shit studio that never made a good game is firing shitty staff for the billionth time
woah what a surprise
e2bc2e No.16421907
>>16421631
>>16421723
I don't understand how you can be so wildly delusional. It's an objective fact that HL2 is filled with not-cutscenes. They utterly rape the pacing of the game.
>b-but it wasn't said at release
Because everyone was jerking off about muh physics, muh facial animations, muh graphics. What, is that supposed to be in defense of the game? That a game that was flaunting new tech got praise at the time, but as people got used to the new shiny things they started noticing the flaws?
I played both HL games a few years back. I never got around to it back when they were new, but I remember all the hype around HL2 and my impression of it before going in was that it was an incredible and legendary game that revolutionized gaming. I thought HL1 was pretty good. I wasn't big on shooters in their heyday so I barely played any, but it reminded me of what I had seen. It was a solid oldschool (by now) FPS. Then I went into HL2 and expected it to be better. What I got was slow movement, guns that feel like shit, constantly having "check out our physics!" shoved in my face and boring fucking cutscenes. Or as we all know, not-cutscenes. Because with normal cutscenes, you can almost always skip them and there's a chance that they do something entertaining with them. That's not the case in HL2, because you can't fucking skip any cutscenes and they're essentially always just someone talking at you while you jump on the table because there is literally nothing you can do. The entire not-cutscene thing is completely pointless. Player involvement during a normal cutscene - none. Player involvement during a not-cut scene - none. They bring zero benefit for the gameplay, though they do bring the massive flaw of being unskippable. Worse still, the success of HL2 made every game copy that objectively awful garbage.
>b-but HL2 didn't invent it
No, but it did popularize it. It was the major cause behind FPS games turning into slow, no-fun-allowed-with-weapons roller coasters with frequent stops where you have to listen to someone drone on about something uninteresting. It sacrificed gameplay for being cinematic and managed to make it a popular thing to do. It was far worse than the first game as an actual game. It's just unbearably slow, both the gameplay and the way you're frequently interrupted by unskippable not-cutscenes.
>b-but the game isn't long
You're right, it isn't, but that just makes it worse that you're constantly interrupted. Just want to enjoy the gameplay, poor as it is? Fuck no, have some people talking at you. Short games generally focus on replayability instead, but HL2 has none (even though the devs want you to do it, as shown through their various achievements). It's just a bad game and screaming about Halo kids or whatever doesn't change that. In fact, Halo largely does the same things to old FPS gameplay; it slows it down and takes away the fun with guns, though with a weapon limit rather than by simply making then incredibly unsatisfying to use. You'd think Halo kids would love what HL2 did to FPS games, but I guess you delusional fucks can't think that far.
e06a9b No.16421952
f943ab No.16422138
Theyll be fine as long as they keep destiny 2 in its currrent 8.5 out of 10 state
Jokers wild was bad tho
000000 No.16422350
>>16418328
>>16418375
Why play shit games?
>>16418489
>>16421798
>>16422138
Bungie is dying and there is nothing that you can do about it.
>>16418650
All companies are this dumb. Corporate suits always think that "if everybody like it, everybody must become it". That is why more and more companies are failing.
ae0ae6 No.16422987
>>16414193
>We live an in age where people are excited for 343 to bring Halo 3, ODST and Reach to PC while Bungie is silently crashing and burning
People keep having this misconception that corporations aren't people or that the people in any single corp remain the same throughout it's existence.
Well guess what, most likely, none of the folks in bungie that worked on halo also got to work on destiny. Management changed, the devs changed, the only thing left is the name and a bunch of pajeets with fake diplomas and incompetent diversity hires more interested in pushing sjw politics rather than making games.
41ba48 No.16422994
>>16422987
Even if they didn't change when you get big like that you start to interact with directly with the devil at the top and that can mess up anyone.
663d43 No.16423268
Good eat shit they never made anything decent after odst
3f0ce4 No.16433884
>>16414193
wasn't bungie the company that used to make facebook "games"?
41ba48 No.16434226
>>16433884
No, they were already big before faceberg was a booger in some kike's nose.
597c3b No.16434244
What a time to live in where I would be joyful at the disappearance of 95%+ game studios. The only game I can even think of looking forward to buying is bonerlord NEVER EVER and who knows when that'll actually launch. Even then I bet I'll be disappointing with it because of hype vs. reality.
000000 No.16434702
>>16434244
Avoid the mental illness called hype. Follow basic rational thought:
-If it looks like it will be shit, it will be shit.
-If it looks like it will be good, it will be shit.
-Only when it can be pirated or acquired for free, it may be good.
2c4676 No.16436366
>>16414193
Frankly, I've always been a Bungie fan, but I knew partnering with Activision-Blizzard was a major mistake.
I just hope they've learned their lesson.
If they're not stupid, they can probably save the company. But I think Destiny is going to be a dead franchise.