4a81f9 No.16400705
http://blog.mangagamer.org/2019/04/19/sakuracon-2019-announcement-ciconia-when-they-cry/
>At his Sakuracon panel Ryukishi hinted that Ciconia will be taking a different turn in style from his previous works. While Higurashi and Umineko both focused on having players try to solve the mystery of the story themselves, Ciconia will have a much stronger focus on action with mystery elements scattered throughout. Ryukishi07 even issued a challenge to fans: “In this next game, I won’t give you the privilege of being a player!”
>In this next game, I won't give you the privilege of being a player!
I don't know about you anons, but I have a very bad feeling about this. People trash talked him due to him not giving a clear answer in Umineko, now he outright tells there won't be any mystery elements for the reader/player to solve.
6457aa No.16400715
It's not like you can play a VN to begin with. This is just him being honest.
6e057b No.16400722
>not giving a clear answer in Umineko
>there are retards who still haven't solved it yet
8ff12e No.16400756
>While Higurashi and Umineko both focused on having players try to solve the mystery of the story themselves
How are you supposed to figure out what the fuck is happening in Higurashi when there's barely any clues given to you?
abe286 No.16400782
>>16400756
What do you mean? Sure it doesn't give you everything until the end but it's possible to figure out the culprit in the earlier chapters. Replaying it makes it hard to miss.
a45c36 No.16400801
First time I heard about these VNs. Apparently there are multiple versions(Windows, PS2, DS, Android, Manga, Anime, etc.). How good is the mystery elements of these games, compared to something like Ace Attorney or Danganronpa, and which version should I read?
4b075c No.16400831
I hope I don't need to remind anyone in a 07th Expansion thread not to give Mangagamer any money. If they continue translating his games, just pirate the translations and import the Japanese versions if you want to support Ryukishi.
>>16400715
You play a game with the author, not the visual novel. The game is trying to solve the mystery and debate with other readers before finishing the multi-part novel and seeing what the actual answer was. From the sound of things, the next novel won't challenge the readers to a game at all, and will instead be a more typical VN experience.
Well, I don't have very high expectations since I didn't like Higanbana or Ookamikakushi, so it'll be a pleasant surprise if whatever it is turns out to be good, and won't really bother me if it's shit. I did enjoy Rose Guns Days though.
>>16400756
Meanwhile, Shkanon was solved very quickly if I remember correctly.
>>16400801
In Japanese, the originals Windows versions (in wine or use onscripter if on Linux). In English, the best Higurashi translation is the Steam version, but it doesn't have the minigames, so you also have to pirate the Japanese version and patch it with the unfinished fan translation to enjoy those. Umineko has been fully translated for years before it got (((licensed))), so get the original Windows version and the translation patch from Witch Hunt. It uses onscripter-en, so it can be run in Linux too if you don't want to use wine. The Alchemist art in the PS2, DS, etc. ports is generic shit. Ryukishi's art, while bad, has charm and expressive faces, so I don't recommend them whether you can read nip or not, unless you want to read the exclusive scenarios. The exclusive scenarios are being translated into English and ported to the Steam release by fans if you want them in English.
abe286 No.16400844
>>16400801
Steam version with the patch from here: http://07th-mod.com/home/
You can go voice only or graphcs & voice if you prefer the console art.
603062 No.16400862
>now he outright tells there won't be any mystery elements for the reader/player to solve.
Not much of a difference really.
Seacats completely threw the gameboard away halfway through, and everyone and their grandma guessed Shkanon shenanigans and Beatrice motivations pretty much from the start.
Got no real expectations here, since it seems he wants to make more meta shit than fleshing out story and characters.
d050b0 No.16400898
>>16400705
Umineko was an absolute shit-story by a hack-author who wrote himself into a corner and couldn't get out, thus resorted to insult his fanbase and gave only an illogical and japanese (read: idiotic) explaination about the story. Hueg ww2 bombs plus nobody noticed the tranny boy the whole time. Typical anime trash story.
e1cd93 No.16401267
>>16400705
Umineko's writing was fucking RETARDED.
>"I don't believe in magic."
<"We are literally in another dimension, you are being served tea by a demon, you've seen shit teleport, I am using magic right in front of you right now. Fuck, you even saw people die and get ressurected repeatedly, including yourself."
>"NUH-UH! I DON'T BELIEVE IT!"
How am I supposed to take anything that faggot says seriously if this is how he argues?
05f8cc No.16401290
>>16400831
>The game is trying to solve the mystery and debate with other readers before finishing the multi-part novel and seeing what the actual answer was
Playing an AR game based on cliffhangers and bad anime writing sounds like an awful time.
Still not a game.
e87139 No.16401328
>>16401267
At least it's not "nanomachines (^:" like certain other hack from country of the rising sun
379208 No.16401414
>>16400898
Did that fat elf bitch turn into a thick mermaid? if so my lord.
18597b No.16401445
>>16400705
>VNs
>I won't give you the privilege of being a player!
u wot m8?
236da4 No.16401463
202f14 No.16401494
>>16401463
Bro can you fucking read?
236da4 No.16401499
>>16401494
My eyesight is shit I couldn't see thnx anon
4b075c No.16401930
>>16401290
A logic game is a game, you faggot. In the traditional sense of the word. It's in the name even. Nobody said a VN is a game, nor did anyone say Umineko is a video game. When we talk about this news piece and use the word "game" or "play" or "player," we're talking about the logic game that is solving the why, how, whodunnit of Umineko and how all the seemingly impossible murders were orchestrated without magic. Nobody is debating whether or not a visual novel is a video game. Well, Ryukishi might consider it to be video games, as it is considered a video game genre in Japan, but nobody here argued that. Only the fact that there is legitimacy in comparing the difference between Umineko, posing a logic game for the reader to solve, and this new novel, being a straight VN.
c509ad No.16402666
>>16400756
>he didn't notice Takano acting strange in Tatarigoshi
Joking aside, I was just like you. Without Ryukishi spelling out the answer I wouldn't even have thought of fucking alien parasites. Which is why I kept thinking in Umineko because I wanted to figure it out without any help, mostly in an attempt to prove to myself that I was able to solve the mystery.
>>16400801
>How good is the mystery elements of these games, compared to Ace Attorney or Danganronpa?
For someone who started the Higurashi and Umineko novels to fill the void in mystery themed games while waiting for ZTD, I really wasn't disappointed and was even pleasantly surprised by how the story played out. It had a great impact on me and the soundtrack of both games is really diverse and great.
>Which version should I read?
Ideally, the Japanese versions with OG sprites and backgrounds on windows. Or the same but in English. If you're a casual there's the Alchemist versions with "updated" sprites, backgrounds and voices. They're nice for a re-read but I would advise the original experience first.
There is also a way to read Higurashi and Umineko on Android phones but the engine used is buggy and you'll be missing out on a lot of stuff. I wouldn't recommend it at all unless if you've already read them and want a comfier experience. (sitting on a computer chair for hours isn't something I enjoy that much, nowadays) There was this MEGA link containing playable PS3 versions of Umineko I made for someone on cuckchan around one year ago, updated it recently for French friends
Here it is : https://mega.nz/#F!6UNXwAjI!Psvww_SDu6SVsMcAxf5UeQ
>>16401930
Excellent post who sums up pretty well what I was about to write. I really hope he's trolling us or something because if I want to read a bland visual novel there's Fate or other eroge already
a5706f No.16402675
>>16401267
That wasn't the retarded part. The random arbitrarily unreliable narration coupled with retarded (anime nerd) logic and reasoning made the story worthless as a story. No character noticing Shkanontrice was the worst plot device ever.
980701 No.16402699
>>16402675
>shkanontrice
>he still doesn't know that Rosa was actually Beatrice
a5706f No.16402711
>>16402699
Rosa was a gigantic turbo-roastie.
e1cd93 No.16402779
I didn't "play" Higurashi, only saw the anime version of it. Is it also mind-bogglingly retarded?
>"I've seen the same events, in different versions, play out the same way hundreds of times. It's all hopeless."
<"Have you tried doing something different from usual to, maybe, alter these events?"
>"OH MY GOD THIS IS GENIUS! LET'S DO IT!"
I don't know if it's the same in the VN, but this was literally the solution. The dumb cunt never tried doing shit differently to get out of the time loop, she just kept doing the same garbage hundreds of times over and over and hoping stuff would change. (inb4 definition of insanity)
They also never explained how come she is best pals with some local god that turns back time or whatever
980701 No.16402784
>>16402779
She was young and didn't have the mental acuity of an adult. I think she mentioned trying to avoid her parents or things like that in the VN but people took what she said as a joke. In fact it happened Himatsubushi and Akasaka not listening to her warning leading him to regret this decision
e1cd93 No.16402786
>>16402784
>She was young and didn't have the mental acuity of an adult.
So she actually was this stupid in the VN too? That shit drove me up the wall, along with the slut being madly (to the point of literal murderous insanity) in love with a fucking crush she had a year ago.
0c183f No.16402824
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SHKANONTRICE IS A LOAD OF BULLSHIT
sadly, KnownNoMore deleted all of his videos, and part 1 of the reupload got blocked for no reason
777a94 No.16402871
>>16400705
>In this next game, I won't give you the privilege of being a player!
higurashi and umineko didnt even had choices how is this any different?
also
>when they cry 5
what happned to 3 and 4?
9e4775 No.16403467
Oh well, if that is how he wants to be, at least we will always have Tragedy Looper. It's like having infinite Higurashi forever. Still, what a piece of shit after his "mysteries should reveal themselves in the end!" spiel in the dev corner.
4b075c No.16403505
>>16402871
Higurashi 1-4 are WTC1, 5-8 are WTC2, Rei is 2+. Umineko 1-4 is WTC3, 5-8 is WTC4, Tsubasa is 4+. So next up is 5.
777a94 No.16403568
774667 No.16403600
Can someone summarize the plot of Umineko? I tried reading the VNs but the thing was so insanely slow and padded with running in circles that I never made it past chapter 3
98cfc4 No.16403617
>>16400705
>the guy who thought umineko's big twist was a great idea is going to tackle metanarrative
This is going to fucking suck.
e1cd93 No.16403636
>>16400705
This dude can create a good mystery, then proceed to pace it way too slow with boring shit, and then finally ruin the whole thing by retarded endings likely made due to him writing himself into a corner.
>In this next game, I won't give you the privilege of being a player!
What does he even mean by that. He made fucking VNs, there were no players already, only readers.
20171d No.16403661
>>16403600
Greedy richfags gather together on an island to argue about inheritance and possibly murder each other. Bipolar maid/butler who is in a twist also an inheritor, kills almost everyone by setting off a bomb mostly due to jealousy/love for MC.
MC washes up on beach, develops hyper-amnesia and gets taken in by an ara.
Said hyper-amnesia effectively makes him unable to accept his past self rather than just memory loss, and trying to do so cripples him. Writes a ton of theories about the murders under the ara's name, which in turn are implied to be most of non-meta plot for all the episodes.
His poor imouto finally tracks him down after a shitload of time, and has to finally accept that her brother is dead while still being biologically alive.
Magic was self-delusion and/or coping mechanisms.
774667 No.16403680
>>16403661
So the whiny fuck screeching about magic not being real was right the whole time? What the fuck
20171d No.16403733
>>16403680
Its real if you want it to be real.
Just like in real life when you don't want to face the facts and blame some mystical shit for everything that got fucked up.
That is why denying it exists was "magic resistance" from the start.
Also, Bern was a cat and Lambda was a cake.
42e166 No.16404040
>>16403733
so was their fight Bernkastel slowly swatting the cake off the table and then bolting to hide under the sofa after spooking herself by knocking it over?
6457aa No.16404207
>>16403505
They made a VN about that soccer manga?
8ff12e No.16404421
16d9a6 No.16404427
>>16404040
Why do you think all the lesser housekeeper demons were referred to as furniture?
Random magic fights make far more sense when you realize its all Bern jumping around knocking shit over and distracting Battler from writing his autobiography fan-fiction.
971097 No.16404673
I wish there would be an happy ending gameboard. Umineko is way too sad
9a8b01 No.16407314
>>16403617
What, in your mind, is the 'Umineko big twist' ?
1c98f2 No.16407360
>>16400705
What was unclear in Umineko? The crazy tranny dun it.
1c98f2 No.16407365
>>16401267
just because it says he saw it doesn't mean he did or that any of it happened that way, the events as depicted in any scenario are all based on imagination according to someone's story
2b7a83 No.16407559
>>16401267
>How am I supposed to take anything that faggot says seriously if this is how he argues?
Anon, while Steins;Gate is correct in how grossly overused "Schrodinger's Cat" is in anime/Japanese storytelling, it actually fit here.
The entire story of Umineko at its core is one of a world in flux, hence the 4th wall breaking early on. It's in flux because there are two realities overlapping in potentiality–which is the heart of Umineko, potential.
Either the ritual to summon Beatrice was legit and magic, and all therein (witches, demons, etc.) exist, OR it was a farce for a true Who Dunnit murder mystery. Because of how the mystery took place the potential remains enigmatic and so the hero-detective, Battler, is left as being the singular point upon which the entire axis of reality tilts. Because there is a character in the story who refuses to accept magic, magic does not defacto exist.
Umineko is quite literally a murder mystery set in Schrodinger's box, which is what makes the story easily one of the most unique and enthralling mysteries ever written…until >>16402675
What kills Umineko is not the flux paradox mystery setting but the non-committal and utterly irrational answer to the mystery. Those who were paying attention throughout the story would have noted numerous times where >>16402699 was actually the truth, however it's clear from early on that Ryukishi did not have the same planning for Umineko that he did Higurashi and made it up along the way, hence the numerous divergences from what should have been a straightforward "And Then There Were None" mind-melt.
I mean having an entire installment dedicated to the possibility of another participant who was actually just a corpse that had nothing to to with anything? Talk about wasting time.
It sucks, too, because at its core Umineko would have been astonishing without the stupidity and wastefulness, but because of how intricately unique it is from premise to finish there's no way any other author could write anything similar without ripping off whole chunks of the story. Umineko is as it will always be, for better and worse.
tl;dr Umineko sucks but not because of its premise. It sucks because of everything else, and it sucks so bad that hundreds of people to this day still think up Kojima-teir paranoid schizophrenic theories like "Ryukishi was actually lying the whole time! THIS IS THE ANSWER!" or "You have to see beyond the 'official reveal' to the true reveal dude!"
2b7a83 No.16407588
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>16400705
>>16407360
>What was unclear in Umineko? The crazy tranny dun it.
HIGH GRADE AUTISM
2b7a83 No.16407590
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We must autism FURTHER
BEYOND A U T I S M
2b7a83 No.16407604
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and finally, just for completion's sake
NUCLEAR GRADE AUTISM
GOING FULL SAMSON OPTION
I liked these videos but they were examples of how the author both attracted the most acute attention to detail and yet failed such attention from the start. The video maker goes to extensive lengths to thoroughly debunk the official answer but desperately clings to the hope that Ryukishi planned it like this all along and we're all part of some 9D Mahjong mind game. The trust he has for the author is so intense it boarders on religious and it's indicative of the majority fanbase for Umineko who will never consider for a moment that maybe, just maybe,
Ryukishi screwed up.
9d56a0 No.16407609
>>16404040
>Bernkastel
>her
It's a fucking tranny boy who deserved death.
2b7a83 No.16407613
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Also vid related. Part 1 is vanished because of copyright
4b075c No.16407719
>>16407609
Bernkastel is a her, you faggot. Get your damn characters right. The tranny is Beatrice, and only the third, Shannon/Kanon/Yasu/Lion (Beatrice Castiglioni and her daughter Beatrice II are female).
8b2ef8 No.16407784
>>16407559
You misunderstand, anon. I get what the game was trying to pull with the "it was real in my mind" shit, the issue is that it fails in realization. Sure, do all that crap, that's fine, but you need to somehow justify it to the reader. After knowing the resolution, it's understandable, but up until then, you leave the first time reader pissed outta his mind with "He's in fucking magical realm and he's not even going to address it? What the actual fuck?" compounded with Battler's "arguments" being insanely bad. They literally do become just NUH-UH after a certain point, when he fails to even imagine an explanation other than magic, yet Beatrice still treats him as a challenge she needs to somehow beat rather than a stubborn baby. It doesn't come off as some deep inner conflict, it comes off as the author being a retard that can't write worth shit. I wasn't left wondering "is magic real?", I was left pissed as fuck for everyone being goddamn retarded, especially Battler with his asinine arguments (which were presented as though they were somehow clever) and Beatrice for accepting that trite instead of calling him out on his bullshit. However justified it may turn out to be in the end, unless you provide some indication to the reader that you know what you are doing and aren't just a shitty writer, it won't matter.
9aa64b No.16409230
Higurashi was a better story and had a more satisfying answer.
6ffa3b No.16412320
>>16409230
Siren did Higurashi's story better. Also it was actually a videogame.
943c28 No.16415319
>you will never be Dlanor
2b7a83 No.16415350
>>16412320
What? How is Siren and Higurashi the same story?
5d0f20 No.16415391
>>16415350
>muh parasitic alien organisms are mind controlling the populace of a rural jap town
9a8b01 No.16415527
>>16402824
You can find all the parts of his videos in this MEGA link. https://mega.nz/#F!S6wEmQzI!LOodYxE7oE89Pp2oDT3BJg
6ec7c3 No.16415673
I loved Higurashi, but I've been avoiding playing Umineko for awhile. I think it's because it seems like a boring, generic fantasy setting. How does it stack up against Hig?
5fbde9 No.16415693
>>16415391
VOCAL CORD PARASITES
Gooks really love this retarded plot device, hm?
d4da64 No.16415705
Didn't the autistic guy who made the 10 hour Rosatrice video take it down because the entirety of his evidence was proven to be wrong due to precise aspects of Japanese language that was never translated exactly? I think it was all about how death and self were defined in universe.
2b7a83 No.16415901
>>16415705
Is that true? Never heard of that before, plus the guy nuked his whole channel which was pretty fedora-tipped in the "skeptic sphere" so it might've just been about that. Lots of channels died when Kraut&Co. were finally outed as the fags everyone knew they were.
Still, that could be a major issue, but doesn't explain other things, like the maid and servant being in the same place at the same time with the loli.
I wouldn't be surprised, though, that in a story extensively predicated on solving a mystery through semantics that foreign language word-play would end up killing major plot points in translation.
Especially with a language as autistic as Japanese moon hyrogliphs
e0f9a4 No.16416012
>>16402675
He actually fucks with the rules of mysteries that Dlanor references and gets wrong just so he can get away with having Shkanontrice and not violating the rules he is supposedly using.
>>16407784
Well, yes, the problem was that they did that as the central premise instead of going with something that allowed for better arguments. Asking "is magic real" while you are in the magical realm of guro fags is quite retarded. A better way to do the mystery would be to separate out the meta realm and the real world. The real world being entirely mundane, and Battler arguing that, and Beatrice trying hide what really happened on the island, for whatever reason. Maybe she genuinely likes him, and wants him to stick with her, and him solving that means that he can go onto the proper afterlife in peace or something.
262069 No.16416172
Both Higurashi and Umineko are pretty good bar the very repetitive writing and weak translation. I don't get the hate. Is it just frustrated goats?
376ba9 No.16416231
Everyone was the tranny, even the player
2b7a83 No.16416237
>>16416231
With the way Umineko is written this is a legitimate answer
8b2ef8 No.16416321
>>16416012
>A better way to do the mystery would be to separate out the meta realm and the real world. The real world being entirely mundane, and Battler arguing that, and Beatrice trying hide what really happened on the island, for whatever reason.
Yeah, that was what I actually expected the VN to be about when I started reading. Then second arc came at me with literal magic and I thought "well, okay, I guess we aren't doing a mystery novel after all, but that's fine, I can enjoy this too" only for it to somehow still be about whether magic is real while half the plot became battling with literal demons and similar shit. Honestly, there were quite a few really strage design decisions made there, to the point I actually questioned whether he was making shit up as he went.
4b075c No.16417125
>>16415673
It's not a generic fantasy setting. It's set on a remote island isolated during a storm in October of 1986. There are no fantasy elements outside of that setting (the "gameboard") and the meta world. The meta world is also not a typical fantasy setting, it's depicted as a several blue/purple tinted spaces in the sea of kakera. There's also flashbacks and flash forwards in Episode 4 (showing the aftermath of Episode 3 and how the protagonist's sister is dealing with things).
I liked both Higurashi and Umineko, but there are people that liked only one of the two. I will say that Episode 1, like Higurashi's Onikakushi, starts out slow, only there is so much to establish before shit hits the fan that you might get bored. If it's your first reading and you're getting bored with all the exposition, it's fine to skip to the next major point or scene. Ryu can really drag shit out sometimes. Also, do not go into Episode 1 expecting all the shit that shows up later if you've seen too many spoilers, because it plays the mystery thing fairly straight, leaving you wondering what the fuck is actually going on. It's not as action-filled (as when shit went down in Higurashi) until Episode 2, when you get to see things from the fantasy perspective. There are ties to Higurashi that can be debated, but there's not enough there that I would say you need to read Umineko if you aren't already interested in it.
>>16416231
If Batorako is a tranny, does she have small bombs? :^)
f367ac No.16417881
Crossover between Umineko and Ace Attorney fucking when? You can't deny the similarities. How did you feel when you first heard Dread of the Grave and saw Battler pointing his finger?
0c183f No.16425112
f58f63 No.16427167
>he didn't realize Ciconia was fated to be shit after Higanbana and RGD
>he didn't realize Ryukishi was a HACK
BT, his proofreader, died. Without him (ep 6,7 and 8 of Umineko) the quality of Ryukishi's writing PLUMMETED
26a8dc No.16427236
>>16427167
Source? It's proof-reading. How the fuck can you not get another person capable of doing it? Are you saying the proof-reader did more in refining the plot and making sure it made sense rather than just expression/flow of writing?
fe3f72 No.16427301
>>16427236
The final writing of this series is already a massive clusterfuck. Just imagine how fucked up must the "unrefined" version be and see what kind of extreme autist you'd need to filter that shit.
3614b6 No.16429036
>>16417881
Looks like a cheap knockoff.
d88e44 No.16435988
2b7a83 No.16440156
>>16439921
>Kino
Go back to /tv/
GET AWAY FROM ME
2adb97 No.16440328
>>16439921
Behold the greatest anime saga ever told
2adb97 No.16440348
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>>16440337
This video, despite its name being different from the previous ones is actually part 6.
2adb97 No.16440393
>>16440348
Here is part 7, the climax of the story.
Or is it?
2adb97 No.16440397
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>>16440393
Bernkastel is still on the loose! Who will be courageous enough to fight her…?
2adb97 No.16440408
>>16440400
The evil witch of miracles is finally put down after an arduous battle.
2adb97 No.16440418
>>16440408
And the story ended on a good note, our edgy hedgehog feeling accomplished.
This is the pure culmination of the sonic fanbase, Umineko and spic race autism completely unfiltered.
2adb97 No.16440425
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>>16440336
WATCH EMBED RELATED AFTER PART 4
404c02 No.16441612
>>16439921
>>16440328
>>16440333
>>16440336
>>16440337
>>16440348
>>16440393
>>16440397
>>16440400
>>16440408
>>16440418
>>16440425
So this is truly…. the golden land…..
This was effectively worth 40 minutes of my precious and limited time, thank you. I pray for this autistic Mexican to be blessed with a life of bliss and DESIRE.
c405bd No.16445893
>>16415901
>>16415705
>>16415527
Ah, yes,10 hours of theorycrafting on why Rosa is called Mosou Rosa, and the Black Witch.
Whether or not his theory got bombed by moon rune death beams, one can certainly appreciate his autism/dedication. But I had thought that the Book of the Only Truth bombed some of his theories, too.
578bc5 No.16446080
>I won't give you the privilege of being a player
Thank God, I won't have to suffer through your hack writing. At least Kodaka and Uchikoshi feel shame for ruining their series.
32fd08 No.16446218
>>16407604
Without love, it cannot be seen, Anon.
8b5df5 No.16446230
>videogame
>won't give you the PRIVILEGE (there's that word again) of being the player
This industry just gets better and better.
8b477d No.16446234
What's this "goat" meme about?
c446e3 No.16446594
>>16402779
Yes. All of my yes. Higurashi had a god damn fucking power of friendship ending. Fuck that shit. Fuck Higurashit, fuck Uminecunts, fuck that writer, fuck everyone who said those games had any redeeming factors, and fuck OP for making a thread and getting me pissed off all over again at those last two chapters of Higurashit.
c405bd No.16447465
>>16446594
Yeah, it does feel like it's a lot of superficial stuff, but I thought that they existed only to be a red herring to possible deductions. Like, they mentioned The Decalogue and Erika's whole plot to confuse people.
c405bd No.16448746
>>16447465
Actually, most of those things are there to give hints in various places without being ouvert.
Like the "Even if you join us we are 17" line, which is very fucking important
e1cd93 No.16448795
>>16447465
Erika's whole plot hinged on her being yandere-tier in love with her school crush that she hasn't seen for a year, to the point of massacring her entire family should she think they shoah'd him. It was one of the most bullshit parts of Higurashi, second only to the resolution.
c405bd No.16450088
>>16448795
At some point I wandered if Dlanor was supposed to be that boyfriend, but they really went nowhere with that stunt. With how many nitpicky details that were given about the family members, I find it weird that they chose to ignore that plot point and not expand upon it.
0c183f No.16450591
bf7f91 No.16450604
>/v/'s shitting on Higurashi
I've seen everything.
/v/ is shit about vidya.
c405bd No.16451749
>>16450604
It's a magical realm.
>>16450088
That's because those charaters were supposed to be villains to hate. You don't want to give your villains backstories, it makes them less evil.
d3633e No.16451992
Nipah in space fucking WHERE?
c405bd No.16454734
>>16415705
I watched a couple of those vids. Interesting stuff, honestly.
On the other hand, another thing that I always found weird is how the choices for victims for the love battle were made. Jessica should have gone for Natsuhi, since it's about "growing away form your parents to pursue love" as a topic for George and Eva, and since Chick Beatrice wants battler, Kirye, who is battler's mother, and would serve as a hint, and would have been a good prolongation of said theme. Why ddi they go for what they did, I wonder?
275a92 No.16455466
>>16400705
Could be good or bad depending on what he means. If he means I wont be left staring at an ink splot and trying to discern it's meaning I'm thrilled, but it'd be a shame if he just isn't going to bother trying to craft a mystery plot anymore.
I loved the mystery aspect of past novels, but never really liked the execution. At least in Higurashi he had the decency to tell you the answer in the end. While in Umineko the air of doubt he created was so strong that to this day I can't say for certain whether the underwhelming answer (lol it's just a crazy tranny with no rational motive) is legit, or if the rosatrice meta story was supposed to be the take away, or the infinite number of other possibilities that readers have fanfic'd themselves into believing.
c405bd No.16457305
>>16455466
Isn't it irrelevant anyways because We know that Rudolf and Kirye did it anyways? Why is so much effort being given to the motive, when the crime had been explicitely explained?
1d0874 No.16457333
>>16417881
Some autists were playing an Ace Attorney Online mod with Umineko stuff, but I'm going to assume that it's no fun allowed.
1d0874 No.16457360
>>16415673
I suggest you start playing it somewhere comfy - I played Umineko multiple times only to drop it somewhere between EP1 and EP3 - same happened with Higurashi, actually. The culprit was the shitty chair I was sitting on.
>>16417125
>If Batorako is a tranny, does she have small bombs? :^)
Without love, the small bombs cannot be seen. :^)
18a291 No.16457373
>>16457360
vns are watched, not played. there is no gameplay.
8b2ef8 No.16457439
>>16457373
VNs aren't watched, they're read, you nigger
c405bd No.16457902
>>16457373
>>16457439
Actually, since the VNs on teh PS3 are narrated, you actually listen to them :^)
8c5b06 No.16458909
Man, Umineko is one of the most polarizing thing I've ever read. On one hand, episode 1-4 was absolutely fantastic because of the focus on characters being more important than the mysteries; it was a story about the Ushiromiya family most of all. Then Chiru happened and I dropped it in episode 7 because LOL META
What a goddamn waste of potential.
c405bd No.16460313
>>16458909
Yeah, people are absolutely divided, some consider the first chapters "unnecesary fluff" while other consider the VN to have been better before the two grand Witches started to fuck with everyone. To be fair, even the characters themselves acknowledge the game baord is being sabotaged, and hate what happened to it.
8b2ef8 No.16460351
>>16460313
>To be fair, even the characters themselves acknowledge the game baord is being sabotaged, and hate what happened to it.
The hell do you mean "to be fair"? If the author himself can see he's going full retard, then the correct course is to stop doing that, not add some quips about "lol we're going full retard now"
c405bd No.16460370
>>16460351
Not trying to defend the guy. but I think it was made on purpose. Erika's chapters represent people on the real world shoehorning her into the story haphazarly, which makes the whole setting feel forced, and the characters irrelevant for those chapters. In general umineko is a work that tried to personify the story itself, so when people started fucking with it IRL, the story itself became distorted.
Of course, one can say that the author didn't need to go so far with that little plot point.
79fbfc No.16460418
>>16457902
Just like you are listening to movies.
c405bd No.16463654
>>16460370
That doesn't change the fact that it was obnoxious, way too long, and self-aggrandizing against the "dirty lazy readers". On the other, hand, I'd say chapters 1-4 is where I'd cut most of the stuff because it's just so stretched out. You could have put all the "character lore" from 1-4 in 2 chapters easily, but the guy wanted to pad out his work.
71e8d7 No.16463663
>>16463654
>obnoxious, way too long, and self-aggrandizing
That's basically Ryukishi's thing. I don't like it either. Anyone who finds it irritating should avoid Trianthology if it ever gets translated.