/v/ - Video Games

I can't fault them for being gigantic kikes when consumers are brain-dead fucking retards. It's a shame they don't have the spirit to actually do something impressive or ground breaking. But who would when your share holders just want to see bigger profits and don't care for the tech?

Will TES VI use the creation engine? What about Fallout 5? is it just a running joke at this point to see how long people will put up with the totally shit engine before they stop buying Bethesda games? It was really showing it's age when Skyrim came out, and it's almost a miracle they managed to get Fallout 4 working on it.

Haven't you made this exact thread, before?

Incompetent people are easier to keep in line.

>>16357291

As long as they keep making the same games, anon is going to keep making the same threads.

>>16357285

I did notice even the normalfags were calling them out for using the same engine with the Fallout 76 debacle. Ideally they do, but I imagine that nothing can really replace the ease of Creation/Gamebryo. They will have to make a new one, but it will also have to run well on all platforms and of course include modding.

>>16357285

They already confirmed that TESVI/Hammerfell/Redfall will be using creation engine.

>>16357189

>If it's not broke don't fix it

Or in the case of Bethesda, if it isn't fixed it can't be broken.

>>16357189

Or in Todd's case: if it's broke, let the modder's fix it.

I just want to play a game with the world and item system of the elder scrolls

With no bugs

Actual gameplay that doesnt suck

And mods

Why is this seires the only one like that

Its so poorly made coding wise

to be fair, ladders are retarded

>>16357580

source might be the only engine worse

>>16357615

Nah source is the most stable lol

>>16357137

They are incompetent by nature. All modern western devs are.

>>16357580

I wish Skyrim had combat like in Dark Messiah, at least then this pile of shit could be enjoyable, not even porn mods can redeem Skyrim.

> thinking gamebryo was itself a highly specialized game engine to make nothing but Morrowind and not a general use game rendering framework

> thinking game mechanics like ladder movement has anything to do with gamebryo's code

Stop being such an ignorant jackass. Dozens of games use gamebryo and don't suffer any major problems because they weren't coded by dipshit pajeets.

Bully, Catherine, Civ4, Divinity 2, Epic Mickey, Freedom Force, Sid Meier's Pirates, and more were all made with gamebryo. Don't be such a fucking idiot about how games work next time you post.

>>16357661

Bethesda just sucks at making literally anything besides quests in oblivion

And cool game worlds

>>16357661

>gamebryo

Never heard of it, so it must be worse than Bethesda's in house Creation™ engine. Made entirely from scratch you know.

>>16357137

>it's like they're purposefully being incompetent

That's exactly right. They're well aware bethesdrones will do their best to fix how buggy their games are and create content for them after playing the price of a full game and all the DLC.

>>16357679

Then why constantly make it harder to mod their games? Just to test the guinea pigs' limits?

>>16357683

So you can have the privilege of paying bethesda to play all those officially endorced user made mods.

>>16357690

But Todd, how can I buy more Bethesda approved mods if less and less are made for every successive game?

FED interventionism gives infinite money supply so companys get more and more reckless with money and debt themselfs to oblivion, but as long as the ponzi scheme continues the bubble doesnot blows up, because petrodolar and shit.

And that affects game market, yes, and is the reason all shitty decisions.

But to really undestand it rigth and full is up to you.

>>16357580

Source fucking blows. Gamebryo at least feels good

>>16357708

I think they realized they can't keep making the same game with different window dressing without eventually hitting the point where they've exhausted their fans. So their strategy is to put less and less effort in for the maximal profit until the cow runs dry. Laziest developers ever, but fairly smart about the game making business.

Todd is German for death. What kind of sick fuck names their kid Death Howard?

>>16357806

The non german kind?

>>16357806

That's a metal as fuck name though.

>>16357806

The prophetic kind.

>>16357806

http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/tod_n1

>>16357663

>Cool game worlds

After Skyrim did pretty well on that front depite all the shit dungeons, that went to the shitter as well, there's nothing redemeable about Bethesda games anymore

But guys can we please all agree that the games that came out of it are complete masterpeices? skyrim, fallout 4, fallout 3, the list goes on. I am sure to buy skyrim for Nintendo Switch, how about you guys?

Morrowind is a buggy piece of shit, worse than Daggerfall in all ways except for the fact it doesn't use the (then revolutionary) buggy procedural generation. Daggerfall was aspirational, every game they've made after the death of the Xngine has been "humble" (read: miserable and intentionally shit). It would be better for Bethesda to be relegated to making shitware and movie licenses than it would for them to make actual games. Julian LeFay was the only one who was holding the company up on the programming side, and Ted Peterson (unrelated to the other god of game design, Sandy Petersen) on the design side.

>>16357137

The engine has received significant upgrades since 1997, Source engine still contains source code from Quake, is Source engine an engine for 1996?

The real problem is that Bethesda are a fucking joke, they simultaneously hire talentless staff and then they want games finished as fast as possible, so if it ain't broke they probably wont' fix it.

That said looking at Prey 2 and it's features I suspect that Bethesda may be positioning that games engine as a replacement for Creation Engine, which would be good, since it will kill modding outright.

>>16358126

>which would be good, since it will kill modding outright

>killing the one reason people still play your games is good

Or do you mean good in a general sense, since it would kill Bethesda?

>>16358139

>Or do you mean good in a general sense, since it would kill Bethesda?

Definitely.

>>16357785

>>16357786

>>16357615

^ Proof that /v/ is full of contrarian just for the fucking sake of being miserable bastards who can never bring themselves to leave a post that is uplifting, positive, or agree with a previous comment. Fuck some of you really are depressive twats who want nothing but to bring everyone else down to their miserable level.

>>16358384

liked and upboated, here here :^)

>>16357615

It's suprisingly good, Titanfall 2 is made using the source engine but you would never have guessed.

>>16357189

>Escalation of commitment is a human behavior pattern in which an individual or group facing increasingly negative outcomes from a decision, action, or investment nevertheless continues the behavior instead of altering course. The actor maintains behaviors that are irrational, but align with previous decisions and actions.

>Economists and behavioral scientists use a related term, sunk-cost fallacy, to describe the justification of increased investment of money, time, lives, etc. in a decision, based on the cumulative prior investment ("sunk cost") despite new evidence suggesting that the cost, beginning immediately, of continuing the decision outweighs the expected benefit.

>>16357137

They realized they can get away with it. There are people who are excited for the next Elder Scrolls and willing to throw money at Bethesda, despite Fallout 3, Akyrim, Fallout 4, Fallout 76 and the Elder Scrolls mobile game.

The cattle beg to get milked and the farmer obliges. All of that just works

>>16357615

No it fucking isn't

>>16357615

The Source engine has great physics, what are you talking about?

>>16358390

Does the Catherine remake still use it?

>>16358458

It's a remaster, not a remake, so I would assume so.

>>16357580

>Creation Engine has the worst fucking physics, animations and rendering i've ever seen.

This is not the fault of the engine.

This is the fault of incompetent developers.

Look at what the japs did with HDT.

Look at what FNIS did.

All of that shit could have been included, but it wasn't because ___.

>>16357658

>not even porn mods can redeem Skyrim

false

everyone knows what Bethesda has made is shitty layer on top of some 2009 build of Gamebryo (last one they licensed probably)

adapt and put that layer on top of id tech 6 you fucking imbeciles

>>16358494

>physics, animation system and rendering aren't parts of an engine

Are you functionally retarded?

>>16357137

Using/building a new engine takes time, money and effort. Then you have to train and have your development team learn how to use and optimize the new engine. Bethesda, being as incompetent as they are and only caring about how much they money they can pump out of dumb goyim obviously aren't gonna bother with this.

>>16357137

>the whole board is retrokids playing their dad's games

>they still whine and nag about all things like all millennials

Shut up, junior.

>>it takes money and effort, its too hard

once its done everything else will be less painful, believe me shitty tools is worse for the long run

>>16358650

>retrokids

What's this new hot flavor of the month meme I keep seeing around here?

>>16358645

If that webm is anything to go by, yes.

>can’t even handle stairs

The futurama game from 2003 had working stairs and was on Gamebryo. The problem is not the engine, it goes deeper…

>>16357679

this is the answer. but remember that these pieces of dog poop if it fails will close the series due to low interest.

anons need to post about DOTR all the time every post.

>>16358573

>the Creation engine is based on an engine designed for MMOs

>they put so much bloat and shit code over the years that FO76 runs like dogshit.

I'm convinced that Bethesda Game Studio would fold before they change the engine. That or use lawyer magic to steal OpenMW.

>>16358645

The very first game to use Gamebryo when it was called NetImmerse, Prince of Persia 3D, had ladders.

>>16357137

>Bethesda fanboys are still white knighting them and trying to shift all the blame to the engine instead

Funny how every other game made with that engine works fine, go suck Todds dick somewhere else.

>>16358678

Gen Z's new term to replace "boomer"

>>16358816

No, it's just one guy spamming it. He pops up a lot in Resident Evil threads.

>>16358732

just proves a lot of problems are something Bethesda has themselves introduced long time ago in their own systems they added and hasnt fixed

>>16358936

It should be obvious to anyone who's downloaded a single mod for any bethshit game because one guy can add or fix stuff day one that this massive studio can't manage to pull with half a billion dollars and 5 years of development. Total fucking embarrassment.

>>16358925

Really? I'd expect him to mostly pop up in Doom threads

>>16358973

I would too. Doom is like the first stop for kids looking to try old games.

>>16358939

There's no incentive to actually fix anything because there are groups wholly dedicated to doing it for them. That leaves them free to throw in any retarded idea that their boss' 5 year old daughter thought up, no matter if it's unbalanced, broken, or out of place in the story.

>>16358973

S'arais already has him beat. Besides, Doom threads are largely slow and on topic while RE threads are just retards screaming at each other with the occasional porn dump and informative post.

>>16358976

Most people in Doom threads are not really like that, they just like modding it.

>>16358732

The 2nd game is Dark Age of Camelot, a popular MMORPG that could manage 200+ players in a single area, which also had ladders (that constantly killed you because they were coated in grease, but whatever). Then Bethesda utterly failed at their own small multiplayer game 17 years later.

>>16359032

It's going to be funny when Starfield gets shat out and ends up being even more barren and busted than No Man's Sky.

>can't even handle basic tasks like ladders

It can if you know how to use it. It can even do physics that aren't framerate-bound if you're smart enough to program that.

It has many flaws but those are just made up by incompetent Todd-likes.

It's rendering is shit and can't handle too many triangles or the object will flicker. It has many other flaws too.

The real question is: Why do we always have such a useless thread asking for a known answer?

>>16357137

I'm sorry, but that award goes to Lithtech Engine, specifically the Talon version. The shittiest, buggiest trash that can barely render something right. Oh and it works with map to map like Source, but infinitely smaller. And the physics? No such thing as momentum and acceleration without falling off a vehicle, platform, elevator. Don't get me started on how the engine handle bullets.

>>16357785

>going Unity

That'd be even worse. Unity is the worst engine when it comes to efficiency.

>>16359635

>Oh and it works with map to map like Source

Isn't shadow of mordor open world? Didn't play it. Can you enlighten me?

>>16357580

Source has its merits, like good netcode for multiplayer, but holy shit it is not a fitting engine for open world RPGs whatsoever.

>>16357561

I feel that pain brother. I wish someone competent somehow got TES license or made similar games, but actually good.

>>16362022

>todd's homemade bento

Would you need mods to fix it?

One Last Hope

>>16362162

Cryengine is good. There's nothing wrong with it. It's an open world engine to begin with.

The reason it doesn't work with scam citizen is because of how scam citizen just throws a galaxy at the engine instead of using simplifications for it.

However I doubt Todd can make anything good on any engine in existence.

>>16357653

>exit source game through the menu

>source.exe has stopped responding

>close the program

>source.exe has stopped responding (again)

>close the program

>finally closes

Yes, very stable engine.

They don't have Carmack in the company anymore anon. I used to read his old personal blog and in one of them he discussed how he encouraged team code reviews with everyone in the room, not to shame people but so that everyone could learn from the same mistake. I'd be surprised if that was still the standard at id.

>>16362330

Forgot to mention that that blog doesn't seem to exist any more or I'd link the post.

>>16362330

>not to shame people

The fact that even had to be preambled in should be proof enough it's a hopeless cause.

>>16362330

Carmack was just a good programmer, he was terrible at actually making games as Doom 3 and Rage should prove.

>>16362580

Yes but there's no reason to assume that id will produce competent tech now that he is gone. He was never actually interested in game design, he was playing the long game for VR

>>16362765

they already have

that Crytek programmer made id tech 6 from ground up, its massive improvement over embarrassment that id tech 5 was

Carmack was good programmer before Rage, before he made shit for the consoles

not exactly sure why it all went that way, did what he worked on didnt pan out? and he had to scrap together something from nothing, who knows

>>16362794

I'm actually not sure, and I'd like to think I'm most qualified to say so because I specifically asked him about it during his Q&A at Quakecon. Yes, at the end of one of his hours-long lectures – I am also a programmer. As far as I can tell he was experimenting with the whole megatextures concept and pulled a Crytek, meaning he released tech which consumer machines were simply not ready for. Ironically the performance bottleneck is not GPUs but hard disk read speed (according to him). If everyone had SSDs when Rage was released, it might have been fine. I'm not sure if this is due to genuine market ignorance on Carmack's part, but I have not known him to shirk optimization in the past, but maybe writing code for consoles wore him down. Who knows.

buzzword buzzword buzzword

>>16357189

Has Bethesda ever actually fixed anything? I can't even think of a game they've made that doesn't have some form of game-breaking bug.

>>16365050

>Has Bethesda ever actually fixed anything?

No. If anything they only ever broke things more and more.

>>16363540

>defending bethesda

Reported.

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