/v/ - Video Games

I have only ever played DCSS, NetHack, a bit of Rogue, Infra Arcana, Sil and PCB here and there, What are some other roguelike to try out?

I'm not autistic enough for CATA or Elona.

>roguelike

I still don't know what this means. It seems to refer to almost everything.

I've dabbled in a bit of DoomRL but have mostly stuck to Brogue for the last couple months. I'm mostly a fan of the smaller games with nice mechanics that aren't too overblown, stuff like Cataclysm's crafting system is just too autistically deep for me

>>16349222

I tend to differentiate between roguelikes and roguelites. Roguelikes are games like TOME, dungeons of dredmor, DoomRL, DCSS, ADOM to name a few, that are tile based and turn based. Roguelites on the other hand, are games like the binding of Isaac, Rogue legacy and Don't starve. Games with it's primary shared feature is a procedurally generated world and that is not turn based or tile based.

>>16349222

All Rouge-somethings

- permadeath

- significant presence of procedural content

Hardline rougelike

- Berlin Interpretation http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretation

Rougelikes

- Grid based

- Turn Based

- You loose everything when you die, except for your greater understanding of the systems.

Rougelites

- Lacks the Grid Based and/or Turn Based nature

- There may be some progress made between deaths

>>16349222

This is Rogue >>16349584

If a game is like what this describes then it is a roguelike. If it is not, then it is not.

>>16349222

It's a game with ascii graphics. at least according to autists

>>16349390

Berlin interpretation is a massive meme that wasn't even a definition, just an assortment of common tropes. Simply whipping it out and going: "Berlin Interpretation, bro" is one of the causes of the massive confusion.

FUCK THE NJERPEZ

Thats all

>>16350436

Why did you post that silly cat?

>>16349222

>I still don't know what this means. It seems to refer to almost everything.

Read a book nigger

>>16350468

Just a reminder, the last batch of anons using cat reaction pics were CIA posters

>>16350639

you're retarded. there was one cat image that was tied back to the cia. the cia also uses anime pics better rag on anime posters

>>16350639

did I miss something or are the paranoid fucks in full force as always?

last time I got accused of being a Chinese shill because I made a DW thread

Tienanmen Square never happened

>>16350646

> there was one cat image that was tied back to the cia.

It's actually the filenames they were using which tied them to the CIA. Why exactly the CIA likes cats so much will forever remain a mystery. The 1st cat in this >>16350468 is definitely a narcissistic little shit though, usually cats don't care about mirrors once they realize it's not actually another cat.

>>16350625

i'll never pay

>>16350787

based

>>16350655

It's only the alien infiltrators at the CIA, the brainwaves from cats somehow please them.

>>16350625

I'm waiting for it to release. One of the few games I'm looking forward to with optimism.

>>16354766

I tried, but the controls kicked my ass. Rougelikes are not made for phones. You need to have a keyboard present always. You can play Nethack with ease. Having to use an android's shitty keyboard with your sausage fingers is peak suffering.

Why does no one ever mention IVAN in these threads? That game is vastly underrated.

>>16350007

3.6.1, or 3.4.3 if you're a casual who wants to pudding farm and spam the E-word.

Trying to play SLASHEM was painful. It's like connecting to a Garry's Mod server with a 127 GB content download requirement. Every single fucking thing possible is thrown in and it's just a gigantic clusterfuck. If you've beat nethack enough times that you get bored, find something else to play.

I've started playing DCSS and the amount they removed compared to NetHack is astounding. I don't know why nutrition is even a mechanic; it's trivial past D:2. The only way I have fun is by playing a Gnoll Abyssal Knight and trying to get artifacts from the lower levels of the abyss before starting the dungeon.

>>16349252

absolutely no feedback on this post? nobody tried it? nobody interested? nobody tried it and hated it?

I played a couple more hours today, fucking mage found a unique mace and shield, can't fucking use either.

>>16350625

I bought cogmind, forgot about it, then remembered and went to get the latest version but I lost the email, so I'm pissed whenever I remember it.

>>16349220

CDDA and Elona are both EZ mode, you just need to know the meta.

>>16350625

Cogmind is 20 buckaroos, that is in a genre that has a bunch of better entries that cost nothing.

>>16354830

>IVAN

isnt it mathematically impossible to finish?

I'm trying CDDA for the first time and am extremely inexperienced with roguelikes. I am open to advice and suggestions from anons.

>>16368157

You can examine bushes in forests to forage, it raises survival skill.

You can smash a locker in the evac shelter to get metal sheet which you can make into a brazier for safe indoor fires. Make improvised lockpicks to get your first level of fabrication.

If you need nails and you already smashed all the furniture in a house, you can burn the house down, the wreckage can be cleared with a digging stick or shovel.

Most of the stuff in the game can't be crafted without a relevant book (that you have skimread nearby)

Labs and bunkers are end game content, cities are midgame but you can get fucked hard by shocker / acid zombies so be careful. Depending on your build it is probably better to spend the first few games outside the city moving between farms / cabins etc. If you stay on the outskirts they are sometimes safe to rob houses at night.

Taking the night vision perk at character gen is useful for night raiding. Zombies can smell you from about 6-8 tiles away (but its only a problem if you stand around.) they can hear you walking from 10 or so away depending on the zombie. They are almost blind in the dark except for shady zombies.

>>16354830

>controls kicked my ass

No kidding, I barely made it through the world setup on mobile. Pathos has been alright, it's a bit of a watered down NetHack variant but feels pretty classical compared to others on mobile.

Tangledeep got a new DLC. It offers some new modes and some extra content, but still manages to be too easy. Its fun and pretty for a roguelike, though. Its nice when I want a casual romp.

Otherwise, brogue. Fuck eels. I look forward to punching trolls more than wading through shallow water sometimes man.

Nothing at the moment, but I'm thinking of getting Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon for the Switch.

>>16372960

Mario, Megaman

>>16350787

>>16354830

>>16367133

>>16367384

>doesn't know how to pirate

>>16349207

I have been playing cata nonstop for the last few times and I've been having a blast. It's actually really simple to start as evacuee once you know a few things:

1) Break lockers/benches to get material for making a screwdriver, hammer, knife and crowbar.

2) Crowbar into the upstairs part.

3) Disassemble the tank and carry two of the tanks downstairs.

4) Disassemble a locker to get sheet metal to craft a brazier.

5) Haul a tank to somewhere with water, usually there are a bunch of really deep puddles in the forest where you can fill up that whole 60L tank.

6) Bring the tank back, have both the tanks and the brazier accessible, and voila, you now have enough clean water to last at least a month.

After that, I like to make a ranged weapon/take down all the blinds and replace them with boards so I can increase my tailoring by making simple clothes (usually I start as shower victim), and then kill a dog or something which gives enough food for at least the next couple days. Oh and if you want to game the NPC trade system you can disassemble the dead computer for RAM and processor boards, which you can then trade to the NPC for all their stuff.

>>16351048

might be tied to egypt somehow since they like that pyramid symbolism

>>16380947

is that you gunlovers?

>>16372960

youll find better answers in a rogueLITE thread rather than a rogueLIKE thread

well ok generator function for A unique dices with B sides was much more complicated and there's no closed form solution but they do seem to approach normal distribution.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Dice.html

>>16391692

>never played D&D

>thinks dices is a word

>>16391974

>He dices up vegetables

It is a word, I bet you feel silly now, huh?

>>16391974

It really does not help when I'm not burger OR boomer

>>16391692

Dice notation is simple, 1d6 means one six sided dice is rolled, 2d8 means two eight sided dice are rolled. A roll with a high number of dice is more likely to result in a number in the middle of the possible range, a roll with few dice has a more even distribution of possible outcomes.

>>16380947

>Play strafe

>Can't actually strafe jump

Fuck that game

Unreal world was fun, great setting, and the focus on realism was great. But the whole survival aspect was gay tbh. At some point the whole minecraft thing runs dry

>>16415345

one more, zombiemen sometimes carry healtkits, so try to finish them with one shot.

>>16415499

>>16415345

>easy mode

>intuition

You are like little baby. If only you knew the things this game expects of you later on.

God can they hurry up and finish the new hunger system in CDDA?

I'm so tired of drinking a gallon of water every morning, eating 5 chunks of meat (about 2100 calories) and this causing my hunger to go from nothing to "hungry"

>>16415553

What the fuck did you take fast metabolism trait? Never take fast metabolism. The boosted stamina is a trap, you will actually be slower and have less stamina because you're hungry all the time. If you go without eating enough for a day or two you will get malnourished which means you get hungrier faster. Chomp down on raw animal fat or cat tail rhizome (might have to turn it into starch first, can't remember which has more calories but its worth doing for the plant fiber) it's an easy way of gaining calories.

>>16380546

Humvees and military vehicles are surprisingly common, easier to find than Luxury RV especially in cities. PROtip you can remove the turret without any special skills or tools. Just tear that shit off with your bare hands and go nuts on the local wildlife with your new LMG.

>>16349207

>Caves of Qud

One of the few games where the visuals are done properly. Cogmind too. Some thought and effort was clearly put into this. Decent visuals stand out as it's become something of an indie standard to make their game look as hideously cute and babyish. Absolute eyesores that drain the soul. Rimworld, for example, looks like the the shit we used to draw in second grade, when the iMacs first came out. Rim's buildings and landscape are fine and passable, but those character models are a joke.

The Dwarf Fortress visuals are coming and I await the cringe.

>>16380919

>Castle of the Winds

My man. Our school computers had few of those gems on them for awhile, installed by the seventh graders, until the teacher deleted every game and went full slave camp on us. There was also a second hand laptop that had an old fantasy magic JRPG game on it. I can't remember the name of it for the life of me and haven't seen it since.

>>16419297

>Unity

Well there's your problem right there.

>>16419297

What OS and hardware do you have? Also to improve performance disable vignette and scanlines, and cap FPS to 30.

I wish roguelike devs weren't so insistent on making their settings 'wacky'. I want to feel like I'm actually adventuring, not to be constantly reminded that I'm wasting my time playing games.

>>16391692

Adding multiple dice biases the result towards the middle. This is why in Craps for example betting on 7 has a significantly lower payout (4:1 typically, which is actually disgustingly biased towards the casino) than 2 or 12 (30:1 typically, also biased but not quite as bad as 7) because there's multiple combinations of 2 6-side dize, that will produce a 7 (1 and 6, 2 and 5, etc.) but only one distinct combination for 2 or 12 (two ones or two sixes respectively).

>>16444217

>glass jaw

nope. Horrible idea. In the game you only die from chest/head injuries anything that lowers your HP is a bad idea in the first place. Unless you like getting one-shotted.

Night vision and quick are good perk picks though. Never bothered with fast healer because you already heal fast after bandaging (even with a shitty rag bandage) and sleeping. Heavy sleeper is actually a bonus since if you have a cold and cough constantly its less likely to wake you up.

The most important tip for Cataclysm DDA is knowing that getting bitten means you should disinfect the wound. It has a low chance of getting infected but if it does antibiotics might not be enough to save you. Don't cauterize, that's a horrible idea and will only kill you faster.

>>16444290

If you're getting hit at all from anything other than very fast zombies (fuck leapers, seriously) you're fucking up.

>>16444802

Mi-gos are tough in melee it's better to run away from them early game. They're kind of rare though. If you press ctrl+V you can scan around for mobs/items in your line of sight. Be careful of backing yourself into a dead end, generally you want to stay near windows so you can lead them into a spot where you have tactical advantage.

Not sure what version you are playing but the knife spear became garbage when they made it a 'flimsy' weapon. A wooden spear is a better choice for a starter weapon now.

https://cdda-trunk.chezzo.com/spear_wood/craft

>>16444891

Fab 2

Survival 1

Easy to grind in less than a half a day. You can get fab 1 by making makeshift lockpicks or fishing hooks, 2 from washboards. Survival 1 you can get easily from makeshift slings or simply foraging underbrush.

Just started CDDA. Where the fuck is backtab or its equivalent on my standard keyboard? I'm tired of one mistake meaning >lol no skill point spending for you bye

>>16445020

shift tab is backtab

>>16445281

is this nethack?

>>16448705

I don't recognise it but unless it's heavily modified it's not Nethack.

>>16447920

>Knowing what to do to grind skills is definitely one of the more annoying parts of the game right now

In Cataclysm, the skill leveling is pretty crappy, for the crafting skills at least. Unless you find the right skill books (or perhaps really helpful NPCs), the only way to get a skill up to usable levels in a timely manner is figuring out the easiest item/procedure of the right skill level to spam. It felt quite gamey to smash up some beds and craft a dozen of hobo bindles in order to make sure I could survive out in the wilderness, and similarly, after failing to find beginner mechanics books, I had to remove and replace car accessories for a few days in order to gain enough understanding to read more advanced mechanics manuals.

Of course, the player can always choose not to grind, but then they will have to wait quite a lot of time until they can do what they want, and in the mean time run the risk of dying from situations that could easily have been avoided with more advanced options from higher skills.

>>16447920

Fire and a knife are the most basic abilities needed for survival. Making a fire is pretty easy all you need to do is grind survival to level 2. https://cdda-trunk.chezzo.com/fire_drill/craft and make this. Or you can just put a single point into survival at character generation and start with the ability to make fires. Some of the professions start with lighters/matches. Fire spreads unless it's in a brazier, fireplace or oven. If it's raining outside you need to build it indoors.

There is a secret technique to having a fire outdoors without it spreading out of control, that is to get splintered wood via cutting up sticks or smashing furniture. Drop them and put a firewood zone from the build structures menu on top of the wood. Then just light a fire within a few tiles. You can use this to light fires outdoors like near rivers or pools without fire spreading. When you craft you will automatically add wood to the fire but not to the point that it spread or wastes fuel. Only you can prevent forest fires. You can also make a fire ring pit but that shits gay.

>>16447920

Brazier is a boiling tool, only needs 1 fabrication to make which is easier to grind than 2 survival and 1 cooking for a stone pot. So all you need is a container like a plastic bottle, glass jar or thermos which are common junk found occasionally while foraging. Even easier to scavenge. Then you can boil water to get cooking 1 and make yourself a pot. Brazier has a double use of making sure you don't piss off smokey the zombear.

>ctrl+f band

>2 results

<both of them "bandages"

it's the most chill type of roguelike to play to me, you can just do whatever with little chance of permanently fucking up unless you die ofc

@

>>16454032

>playing in ascii mode

anon is hardcore.

Those lava tears are common, you can find them anywhere even in the middle of cities. Be careful, they count as a fire so you can cook your squirrel kebabs on them.

>>16454032

What game?

>>16452224

Know of any cool -band variants then?

Anybody played the roguelite Unexplored?

>>16454365

We have IDs here. Click his, scroll up, and easily find the answer yourself.

>>16454425

I'm pretty fond of vanilla Angband but i haven't touched it in a couple years. As of that time it wasn't a very hard game. Delivers a pretty focused experience. 4.x seems pretty different from 3.x.

FrogComposband is the current high-content/bloat meme band that throws in as much as possible, succeeding Poschengband I believe. Cool if that appeals to you.

Sil is a good game but really a different kind of thing. If you want to pick up any random *band that interests you, most of the skills translate with little need for spoilers, the main danger being having to deal with a half-finished or buggy game. I tried a bunch to get into Steamband but there was just too much dumb stuff and I didn't understand how to build a character (character building is not an issue in most *bands).

>>16455292

>FrogComposband is the current high-content/bloat meme band that throws in as much as possible, succeeding Poschengband I believe. Cool if that appeals to you.

>succeeding Poschengband

I have to try it then. There are far more band variants than hack ones and the only reason to play them is for the bloat. The delicious bloat.

>>16454911

It's alright but last I checked it's somewhat bug-ridden. Dev is small and working on a future game at this point so it could be a while till things get fixed. It is a cool game, but my two issues with it are:

- You start to see the strings and pulleys of the dungeon generation system pretty fast, which quickly erodes its novelty.

- I find the game is usually either pushing your shit in or a complete pushover, it rarely sits in a smooth middle area difficulty-wise.

It could be improved immensely by reworking and refinement but that's probably unlikely at this point since it hasn't sold very well.

Is there any good hentai roguelike?

>>16459692

This seems like something that should exist

>>16460615

Not bad, I think Infra Arcana deserves a promotion to Major and I wouldn't put DCSS first because it's gay and ridden with AIDS but that's jmo

>>16469009

>tfw literally lopping off your own limbs in the name of a blind mad god is better than being a demigod

Are there any roguelikes where I control a civilization, or at least a tribe?

Please don't say Dwarf Fortress

>>16481171

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Warsim

I'm getting a bit tired of NetHack varients. What RL factors in stealth and shadow properly? I more need a reminder than anything.

>>16481381

C:DDA handles stealth and shadows fairly well.

>>16481387

That jogged my noggin a bit. Now I'm thinking of Infra Arcana and Brogue. There was also a straight up Thief RL from some 7DRL. I'm more or less wondering what I have overlooked now.

That ThiefRL one hasn't been updated since mid-2018 it looks like. Still, I am grateful they went past the 7DRL with it.

>>16481381

Crawl does a pretty good job at sound, LoS, and smoke/steam, combined with its flexible backstab and debuff system, this makes stealthy characters very interesting which is why stalkers were eliminated by the psychotic devteam. However, it has basically no light or shadow system which is why the psychotic devteam decided to make a god themed entirely around that.

>>16481458

I have not touched DCSS or CDDA since around 2014. I'm curious about the small bands I have missed. Roguebasin has become a goddamn mess of modernity.

I am bordering on being annoyed by what is available. If this doesn't fall out properly, I suppose I'll get to work on a Saturday project.

Which is the "good" version of DCSS? Reading this thread implies the latest version would be a gimped experience.

Well, I am a sucker for C:DDA because of the deep RPG aspects but I'd recommend checking it out.

Just make sure to play experimental to get the latest goodies.

>>16482127

0.9 was when the random, highly unpopular removals began. There's an old cumulative feature restoration fork called Extra Hearty Edition that merges together all the features from there to newer versions, but it hasn't been updated since 0.14:

https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe

Note there are no binaries provided, so you'll need to build it yourself. Last time I did so, there was some sort of dumb character substitution problem in the source files (line endings, or something? I don't quite remember) that I had to fix with a global search/replace after downloading them before it would compile.

Crawl REALLY needs a decent modern fork. Something like EHE, but with the ability to toggle features on and off.

Question: Best looking rougelike you've ever played?

>>16483765

Excellent, thank you very much.

>>16484801

Tangledeep is beautiful for a roguelike. I am also quite partial to Brogue and Infra Arcana.

I love roguelikes but haven't played one in years. I don't have a numpad.

>>16485643

There are a few mouse based roguelikes out there, offhand I can think of Pathos, Brogue and that other one. Ananas? Some shit like that. I didn't care for it, was a bit too stripped down for my liking.

>>16485852

There's also the Vi keys layout with some RLs. I never really gave it a try but it is an option.

I was close, it's called Ananias. Had too much of a mobile-babby feel for me.

>also forgot DoomRL

Well, don't I feel like a jackass now.

Tips for Qud? I feel like I did playing DCSS when I would start and just hope for the rng gods to drop me an amazing piece of loot early on to carry me through to a mediocre runthrough. I don't know if im just retarded or something.

At least DCSS could let me just be a beserker praying to the blood god to drop me an axe. This game feels more tactical but it feels like im just missing some information about game systems rather than a technical inability to play it completely.

>>16486095

I got that quest, but I'm wondering how I would use ranged weapons and how would I find where a quest intends on me to go? 0 iq here.

>>16486140

By how I mean, using a is the ability tab but what's my keybinds for range weapon targeting?

>>16454425

I'm a big fan of Zangband

>>16486215

thanks bud, will post progress later

>>16486140

>>16485937

- True kin are stronger in the early game and it can be fun hunting for cybernetics, however they don't scale as ridiculously as mutants can, they're a good choice if you're just learning how to play the game. In particular choosing the Night Vision cybernetic at the start of the game makes things a lot easier as darkness essentially becomes a non-issue, preventing you from being ambushed at close range by dangerous melee enemies.

- Try to improve your AV as soon as possible, damage rolls in this game have a damage figure (e.g. 1d6) and a PV figure which rolls against the target's AV to find how many times the attack penetrates. Attacks which penetrate multiple times have their damage roll applied multiple times, which is the primary cause of taking heavy damage. You'll want to keep an eye out for Leather Boots, Crocasins, Leather Caps, Boarskin Gloves, and Leather/Chain/Ringed/Bark/Studded/Fur armors. These all drop from snapjaws and provide AV, you can get 5-6 AV relatively quickly if you keep an eye out for these drops, which should keep you alive.

- Look at anything you encounter which you haven't seen before, some things you can encounter early in the game are dangerous and should be avoided if possible. The two most common being Chaingun Turrets and Slumberlings, the former are immobile but will fuck you up if you go close to them, even at higher levels (10-20). Slumberlings will also ruin your day, however as the name implies they usually sleep, they only become dangerous if you wake them up or another creature decides to bother them. If one wakes up just hide and wait for it to fall asleep again.

>PLAYAN

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup

>HOARDAN

Gold with my Gozag acolytes.

>first time making significant progress in FrogComposBand (or any Zangbandlike at all)

>level 31 Tonberry Weaponsmith with a decent spread of resists, reflection, ESP, double free action and a bunch of other shit

>enter a new floor near a Greater Basilisk nest

>kill some ogres next to it because it can't be THAT bad, right?

>hit by three breath attacks and drop below 50% life

>teleport out and immediately die to poison

644 damage in two turns through resists and that was only three of the fucking things. There were 15+ of them in there. This isn't the first time I've run into ridiculous poison damage either, how are you supposed to deal with it?

What's a good team-based roguelike?

>>16487447

>how are you suppposed to deal with it

Cheese

I happened to come across this guy doing an LP of caves of qud, he seem to be fairly experienced at the game

Today I learned in Cataclysm that hunting horrors and Mi-go are extremely dangerous and faster than you. As they are in the same group they also won't attack each other. Mistakes were made. If you see a Mi-go or hear strange noises then always run in the opposite direction right away. If they already spotted you then I hope you have some meth or nearby zombies to distract it.

>>16490599

Mi-go are scrubs. Just punch them in the nose and they run away.

>>16491043

If only they were eatable.

>>16489564

>GrimithR

That guy's a total faggot.

>>16349207

>unreal world

GJ OP

Reminder that the Caves of Qud dev is a faggot.

>Possessed of the enterprising spirit that stirred in Hegelrut ages ago, Asphodel [called the lovely] recently flitted toward the Spindle with xyr asphodelytes in tow and crowned xemself Earl of Omonporch. There xe reposes in the musa grove, under the Great Shade, unfurling xyr petals into perfect contours and holding court.

Playing DCSS and I'm having a lot of fun as a Draconian even though it's gimped in 0.23

I've been trying to play Abyssal Knight but Lugonu seems like a terrible god. The abilities aren't very helpful besides the accessible blinks.

Can we make trannies on dwarf fortress now?

>>16498454

I prefer roguelikes with an open world instead of fixed tile maps like an ancient sidescroller that CuQ has.

>>16501901

Chei is challenge mode m8. Might wanna switch after a while.

>>16350498

But niggers can't read

>>16493664

Asphodel is a plant, why does it matter?

>>16502283

Because english is a shit language that doesn't know how to handle it.

>>16502283

Because even plants have sexes, see Date Palms.

>>16500553

Not yet thought why would you want to play as someone with a 40% chance of hitting themselves?

>they implemented temperature affecting food in cdda

man fuck that frozen shit, how am i supposed to put water in containers and cook it in the conveniently placed lava in the middle of the street while i cant fucking store it when its frozen, how to reliably get clean water when all shit is frozen and i barely started running from zombies

never doing fucking spring start again, summer is where it's at and before winter comes again ill be prepared assuming the character lives that long

>>16501943

Why is that? I think it might be that it doesn't scale very well, but I don't know.

>>16502952

Been years since I've played DCSS so don't take this advice too seriously:

Speed is always king in these games. Chei's invocations are strong but his passive stat boost doesn't do much. Unless you have really good escape tools and/or stealth you'd be better off with a god that helps without gimping you in the process.

>>16502306

The gender neutral pronoun is "they", everything else is arbitrary bullshit made up by special snowflakes. Using anything but they/them for something like a plant is proof that the person in question is a faggot.

>>16515995

Also, coulda just straight up used "it".

Never played a roguelike in my life, but the style actually sounds pretty interesting, but anime has already damaged my brain, if the game isn't weeb crap I can't play it, any recs?

>>16516309

Elona? Elona+? It's straight weebshit and you can even have an imouto.

elona.fandom.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki

elona.fandom.com/wiki/Elona%2B

>>16516324

AND THEN U CAN EVEN PUT THE IMOUTO IN A FARM AND THEN HAVE DELISHOUS IMOUTO MILK AND EGGS AND CHEESE AND THEN WHEN YOU ARE DONE WITH HER KILL HER AND DRY OUT HER MEAT FOR IMOUTO JERKY

>>16516309

Elona+ Custom G

https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>>16516424

Take one of her children out adventuring with you and feed her nothing but the meat of her imouto-sisters and mothers so she can grow strong.

>>16483765

I'm trying to do this but EHE doesn't include the dependencies, and when I try to get them the connection is refused.

>>16519570

Deps should be identical to mainline 0.14, following these instructions:

https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt

Though note I compiled mine on Windows XP via msysGit, so I could use hardware VGA text mode.

That was years ago, and I might not be clearly remembering exactly what the problems I got around were when I did it, so maybe I could try a Linux build no if you're still having trouble, and write down step-by-step what's wrong.

>try a Linux build now

>>16519754

I followed this one: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt

I started from "Building on Windows (MSYS2)" and cloned the EHE git, then

cd dcss-ehe/crawl-ref/source
make

results in:

cat: util/release_ver: No such file or directory
  * If you experience any problems building Crawl, please take a second look
  * at INSTALL.txt: the solution to your problem just might be in there!
    * rebuilding crawl: new build flags or prefix
TRACK_CFLAGS = x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++ -O2 -pipe -Wall -Wformat-security -Wmissing-declarations -DWINMM_PLAY_SOUNDS -Wundef -Wno-array-bounds -Wno-format-zero-length -Wno-parentheses -Wno-unused-parameter -Wwrite-strings -Wshadow -Wuninitialized -Icontrib/install/x86_64-w64-mingw32/include -Iutil -I. -Irltiles -DWIZARD -DASSERTS -DREGEX_PCRE -DCLUA_BINDINGS #EOL
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make[1]: Entering directory '/home/user/dcss-ehe/crawl-ref/source/contrib'
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The 'pcre' directory exists, but the Makefile is missing!
Did 'git submodule update' work properly?
(It's probably better to install all native dependencies instead.)

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make[1]: *** [Makefile:23: pcre] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/user/dcss-ehe/crawl-ref/source/contrib'
make: *** [Makefile:1483: .contrib-libs] Error 2

I should probably start over with msysgit, but I didn't think that would matter.

>>16519835

I think I might have installed the missing dependencies (pcre, zlib, lua/src, sqlite) manually.

I presume you're on Windows 7/8/10? In that case, perhaps you might try the new version of msysGit, now known as Git for Windows SDK:

https://github.com/git-for-windows/git/wiki/Updating-your-SDK

It has a proper package manager, Pacman, from Arch Linux, which should allow you to easily get those dependencies.

Void Bastards just came out and is supposedly a roguelike. I'm poor, but the dev is a marxist with pronouns in his bio so I assume he's ok with sharing. Consequently: anyone know where I can pirate? TPB is not helping.

Been playing Asura lately. I like the Hindu style of it, but it does feel pretty basic beyond that.

>>16519996

Yes, I'm using Win7.

I tried using pacman to download the dependencies but it doesn't have all of them, and those it did the compile would ignore saying the folder under contrib was empty. The folders are indeed empty.

Getting the dependencies from crawl's git and copying them over seems to work, but they've since updated to sdl2 and sdl2-image, and there's no freetype2 to copy.

I also tried looking at crawl forks to see if any are new enough to have moved to github while still having sdl and sdl-image but I didn't find any. I tried hellcrawl, bcrawl, bloatcrawl and circus animals.

>>16523734

Where are you lost anon?

It's a game about surviving the apocalypse (all of them).

Every item has a weight and volume. weight is how much you can carry decided by strength. Volume is how much storage space you have and is given by clothing. You can craft items and learn stuff based on nearby books you have read or memorized recipes, or learned recipes from gaining skill levels.

>>16523823

Well I drank water until my chest started aching, how do I tell how much water is enough?

>>16523884

If you press @ you can see your character menu, in the speed section there is a penalty for being thirsty just make sure there is no speed penalty by drinking when it appears. It usually appears when you are at the 'thirsty or very thirsty' stages.

>>16523884

you better have boiled that water into clean water first. just drinking normal water can give you some nasty effects.

in the top right you have your hunger/thirst bars, along with health and some other stuff basically yellow/red = bad. green = good

Don't eat rotten food or drink dirty water. Boil it into clean water first for obvious reasons. Be wary of lighting a fire indoors. Now you can light a tiny fire indoors in some circumstances but I recommend you use a brazier since house fires are scary in this game and it spreads easily. Walls are flammable, wooden floors are flammable, furniture is flammable. Just dropping one splintered wood on a linoleum floor with nothing nearby is unlikely to spread. It's better not to risk it, don't leave fires unattended. You can put them out by dumping water on them from a container.

You can light fires in an oven safely too, it won't spread.

>>16524991

I still don't get what is going on with that. Are they like hybrid electric-firewood ovens? Cataclysm is filled with small things like that, which all make the game tiny bit easier. I can understand how the game is a rather obtuse experience for new players.

>>16525283

I mean it's probably just that the fire is contained by something meant to handle high temperatures so it can't spread. Just assume it makes sense and don't question reality so much.

>>16525293

I guess you could put a fire inside, but then the process of utilizing that fire would be weird. Then again, the crafting system is pretty loose on the details.

Okay. The water issue, I was doing the tutorial, and it seems to be a weird incomplete version of the game.

Now my issues are that water is always frozen and to get it out of the toilet I need to start a house fire, despite hearing about NPCs I have never seen one, my character eats/drinks at an absurd, impossible and simply unfun rate, and for some reason lighters and matches are the rarest resource on earth. I've made a bunch of characters where I tried to play it safe looting shit and running every time I saw a zombie but eventually I wouldn't be able to get food faster than I can eat it and I'd also have terrible volume storage which can't possibly hold a single serving of very hungry.

By the way I'm using the default world creation settings if that's somehow wrong.

I've improved somewhat, I see that I can craft stuff with the materials in the evac pod, so I try to make myself gear until I get hungry and then I go out. But then what happens is there are too many zombies everywhere and I try to avoid them and raid houses at night but just opening doors makes enough noise to call in a horde.

>>16523960

Pokémon Rescue Team is famous for the great plot, truth to be told, the game isn't that stellar otherwise.

>>16526294

Just do the easy mode, i.e Lab "Challenge" and juice up on mutagen until you can beat up skele-juggies with your bear hands.

>>16526294

Wew these are all common problems that have easy solutions.

1. You can melt ice into water with fire. Literally drop 1 splintered wood on a toilet and light it, or put a brazier down nearby and light a nice warm fire with lots of sticks (so that enough heat reaches the neighboring tile.) Or you could go to a river and not lap toilet water out of a shitbowl like a fucking animal. Alternatively start in summer so you don't have to deal with this bullshit problems. You can heat food and water using a cooking tool like a frying pan or pot. Use 'a' key.

2. You can light fire indoors safely by making a brazier, putting one splintered wood down and keeping the fire size at it's smallest isn't too risky if you are desperate.

3. You can adjust the NPC spawn rate when you generate a world, you can also turn on static/dynamic NPCs to have even more. They mostly spawn at the refugee center otherwise. You can get the refugee center (and the roads leading to it sometimes) by using the evacuation shelter computer.

4. You can take traits to reduce your hunger and thirst loss, there are also mutations that do the same. However, just because you are 'hungry' doesn't mean you have to eat. You actually burn calories and use vitamins in the game. So you only need to eat enough to keep your body healthy and being hungry doesn't negatively impact you unless you are malnourished which happens over days not hours. Just check if your speed has a penalty before eating or drinking in order to not waste supplies.

5. If you gain or start with survival skill 2, you can make a fire drill which works like a lighter or set of matches does. (takes a little longer to light a fire.) If you are outside you can use a magnifying glass, or certain types of eyeglasses to light a fire. Some professions start with bionics that light fires like the bionic sniper.

6. Cities are very dangerous because of the special zombies, ordinary zombies are garbage and can be ignored as long as you are in good condition and/or have a weapon, it's supposedly safer to loot at night.

7. Volume storage is increased by wearing things like backpacks. An easy metagame strategy in the beginning is simply to make some makeshift slings from sheets and a bindle (hobo stick). You can get sheets from beds and tearing down window curtains with 'e'. You don't need any skills to do this. Note that slings are very encumbering and you will make it near impossible to hit things in melee combat. Drop them before fighting. (be wary of how much time it takes to drop things.) If you start with or grind tailoring to 2 or 3 (I forget) you can make dufflebags which give a ton of storage. Lastly you can 'U'nload food items out of cardboard boxes so they use up less weight and volume in your inventory. (If you unload canned food it will perish quickly. Cans are heavy and use a lot of space so it's your choice.)

8. You can switch between run and walk mode, check the controls it's usually quotation mark. Running uses stamina, walking while over your item weight limit drains stamina. melee attacks use stamina.

9. Looting cities isn't really safe, only raiding houses on the outskirts can be considered 'semi-safe' and 'fairly safe' at night. Go inna woods and raid farms and cabins. Remember you don't have to fight zombies you can simply lure them away and run back when they are out of sight. You can make a digging stick and dig some pits and fill them with spikes. Throw in some fuel and light it up for BBQ zombie kebabs.

10. You don't really need to know this but zombies get stronger over time. More dangerous mutant varieties appear and become more common.

11. Avoid FEMA death camps.

12. You can open and move doors silently with a huge move penalty by changing your movement stance to crouch. You can also use this to hide behind furniture, cars and duck past windows. Stay in the darker areas. Zombie hearing isn't that great and you shouldn't worry too much about closing or opening doors, even if they hear you just run away or kill them, in the dark they lose sight of you easily and mostly hunt by smell except for certain special mutants. You can take the nightvision trait to make night raiding easier.

>>16528330

cont.

There are other ways to loot cities, try playing as a roller derby player. They are very fast on roads while wearing their skates. You can take the parkour expert trait and move through houses, leaping people's couches and out windows like you're playing ape escape with the cops. If a place has zombies or you feel uncomfortable you can always sprint away, most zombies are slower than you even while walking. There are ways to go even faster, you can take fleet-footed, there are bionics and mutations that make you faster, the quick trait etc. You know that low grade meth you keep finding on zombie corpses?

Guess what that does. Apart from get you addicted and destroy your life. (can't destroy my life with drugs if the apocalypse destroys it first nigguh)

Night raiding isn't exactly about stealth, it's more about snatching everything you can and getting out with only 10 zombies chasing you instead of the entire street. You don't really need anything from a town but having a welder, medicines, books, guns makes various things much easier. You can survive inna woods fairly easily if you're careful. My favorite is living in fire towers inna woods.

>>16527729

It's called a challenge because labs are hard to get out of and dangerous enough to be considered a threat to mid-late game.

>>16528330

A note about 2. The wording is bad, braziers are completely safe you can throw as much fuel on them as you like. But you can also put down a single splintered wood and light it without the whole house burning down (usually). If you drop a bunch of wood nearby and build a 'mark firewood source' on it using asterisk then the wood will be used automatically to keep the fire going when you craft. Make sure it's splintered wood you faggot or you might put too much fuel on and kill yourself with fire. I don't accept ANY responsibility if you win a darwin award for using these idiotic methods to cook, the fire service and medical personnel are all too busy eating people to help save you from your own stupidity right now.

13. This is kind of dumb but if you are stronk you can move heavy furniture like ovens. You get where I'm going with this? Drag an oven next to the toilet, toss in grandma's rocking chair and light that sucker up.

>>16528340

Not really. It was true in the past, when there was very little food and basic equipment there, so lab start was a race against hunger and privation. But now the labs have so much stuff (unless the player is one of those masochists who turn item spawn down from default, and even then you could break furniture and machinery for crafting almost anything) you can jump straight to mid-game without worrying about food for possibly weeks. All the dangerous enemies are easy to avoid as long as you consider all light to be death and take night vision at char gen. Well, I'm not sure if those rare shoggoths are unable to escape their containment on their own, but bad luck is always possible. And zombie scientists apparently can open metal doors now.

Good tips in your previous posts. I've found looting large towns to be way too much trouble for its worth, unless I'm way into the late game searching for specific items like martial arts manuals.

>>16528386

I wouldn't try to loot the stores early game, only the outskirts. They can be very dicey, the only thing I usually bother to grab from them is as many sheets and rags as I can carry. If you start with an evac shelter then you don't even need to bother doing that.

Oh and this is the last tip but its important for new players of Cataclysm.

14. Don't die.

Watch out for landmines and minefields, they are invisible until you get close you need perception and/or traps skill to spot them easier. You can wait near a spot (spam that numpad 5 key) to check for them each turn. They appear in survivor houses (these are usually boarded up so you can expect traps to be prepared.) Fear explosive toilets, I know I do. Minefields are outdoors in cities, woods and on roads. Watch out for wooden signs, sometimes it's not a trail marker but a fucking DANGER - MINEFIELD! sign. These are noob killers okay? The only reason they put them in the game is to torture newbies to death, you know for sadistic pleasure.

Turrets and roadblocks these aren't dangerous if you keep safemode on, and don't drive your deathmobile too fast on the highway. They appear in cities sometimes. Turrets don't shoot until you get close and can barely spot you in darkness. Chicken walkers however are extremely fucking ruthless and will turn you into mincemeat faster than you can say 20mm armor penetrating cannon. I don't care if you have a grenade launcher, or a rocket launcher neither does God and God's name in Cataclysm is CHICKEN WALKER. Avoid unless you wish to experience the smiting fury of a divine being. Hunting horrors and mi-go are also dangerous early on. You can scare off moose by yelling at them, they fear neither fire, blood nor pain but if you keep screaming they will feel sorry for you and leave you alone after breaking all 4 or 8 of your limbs.

>>16528422

>The only reason they put them in the game is to torture newbies to death

This is very true. It's almost impossible to use the minefields to kill enemies, and even if you manage to lure a zombie into walking on a mine, it's absolutely guaranteed one of the shrapnel will home on your ass and either straight up mercifully end you too, or if you are unlucky, leave you vulnerable to all the other zombies that crawl out of the woodwork due to the sound of the explosion.

It's also good to know that if an animal is fighting anything at all, it will come to fight you next. Animal Kinship (or its more advanced versions) will not save you, a moose enraged by zombies will follow you even up stairs if it has to.

Another tip from experience: cars with light frames, like the electric ones, aren't sturdy enough for ramming shoggoths/chicken walkers/tank drones.

>>16528467

Terrifying is more reliable than the 'furry friend' trait. You can use it to lower the threshold it takes to cause wild animals to flee. Animal empathy is useful for hunting though, since small prey animals let you get closer.

But I'm going to try your advice plus what I learned, thanks anons.

>>16536080

Also, the new "Island Prison Break" is just brutal. If you thought it's a regular Prison Break with "free" points for Swimming you're dead wrong. Way harder than a lab escape imo.

>>16536086

I never could figure out how to reliably break out the regular prison in the first place. Okay, lockpick the doors and such but the fucking turrets always got me.

>>16536086

I tried it, but it seemed to be highly unfinished. I'm pretty sure I wasn't supposed to be able to just walk out of the door and to the docks (while dodging a few zombie brutes) and swim to the shore (no need for points in swimming either, just take off your clothes).

>>16536131

If you can't find a route to the front door that doesn't involve getting shot at, you got really unlucky. A boring start anyhow, just extra chores and then extended early game highly luck reliant grind before you get to do anything interesting.

>>16349222

It's actually fairly straight forward but normie indie devs who don't even like the genre have bastardized the term to mean literally anything.

I'm a retard, how do you people get spare food in CDDA?

Many of my deaths are because I was desperate to eat.

>>16538583

Gargoyle is even stronger past the early game.

>>16538570

vending machines are your life and blood early game. the new railway stations usually have like 8 of em, half drinks half food, best thing is theres no zeds around em and its fairly common to have em spawn in bumfuck nowhere. between that and just general raiding of a town you should be able to secure yourself enough food to last a week or so.

during that time you should be able to gear/skill yourself up for dealing with spider basements, which will basically give you unspoilable foodsource for the rest of the game in the form of spider eggs into powdered eggs and butchering the spider corpses to turn the meat into jerky. Then just craft deluxe scrambled eggs whenever you're hungry

>>16537262

>I wasn't supposed to be able to just walk out of the door and to the docks (while dodging a few zombie brutes) and swim to the shore

That's worldgen for you. I tried again several times and most of the time there's like at least 20 map tiles to the nearest landmass. In one instance however the island was only 2 tiles apart from the mainland, where i was promptly fried by a shocker brute before even making it to shallow water.

It does seem unfinished. It just doesn't feel like a prison, more like a tourist trap island with easily removed barbed wire strewn across it, populated with Vin Diesel zombies (complete with their D&D character sheets). There should be at least some riot control bots around to split the heat off you at the start, maybe some turrets at the outer perimeter.

>>16538592

Shiren is awesome.

>>16538915

>Vin Diesel zombies (complete with their D&D character sheets)

Heh. I did notice the abundant paperwork being rather weird for a prison office. There was also tons of those survival notes, so the place seemed more like a zombie survival larp gone horribly right rather than a prison. The idea of a high security prison with turrets, bots and advanced zombies, a long with fancy loot of course, (and some randomization to keep it fresh) as a starting place is cool, and I hope it gets refined so it isn't left boring like the regular prison.

>>16540556

I think some train-autist is working on it, though I presume it's still tons of work in map-gen to generate sensible railroad networks (there's already some underground ones, though no trains), before they can start figuring out how to make purely on rails vehicles, which is an another can of autism, considering the vehicle system works on errors and duct-tape.

>>16540657

I do but often get fucked early/mid game.

Any advice?

>>16540672

This one on the vita is my first. The artstyle is gorgeous and has a lot of interesting mechanics and ways to carry your progress forward after a run. Not exactly sure how similar the previous games are but it's the first roguelike I've really sunk my teeth into.

If you're lacking food in cataclysm go into the woods and forage, you need a little survival skill or you can wander around picking up nuts near trails. It's low danger and you occasionally find useful stuff if you forage bushes along the way. You can also raid houses on the outskirts at night for food. Hunt small game with slings or bows.

is dungeons of dredmor worth giving another shot? I played it once and got tired of the constant forced humor, every damn thing seemed like some kind of meta joke or reference to some other vidya

>>16543935

short answer, no.

It grows boring extremely quickly. Once you're on like floor 4 or 5 the game feels like an absolute chore. If you want a roguelike with a bit of graphics, then play tome 4.

>>16543935

It's pretty crap in general. Most of the enemies are generic melee trash while anything that casts is instantly insanely obnoxious, there are only two AI patterns (run at you or meander away from you) both of which are dumb as bricks, and what little interactivity there is (i.e dig/push/obstacle effects) is really janky and you end up with shit like multiple things stacking on the same tile or getting glitched off the map.

The only thing it has going for it gameplay-wise is making up silly builds but getting there is a chore and once everything's set you're likely so overpowered there's nothing to keep you playing.

>>16543206

How do you get fresh water if you're innawoods?

>>16544120

There are pools of water in the woods, you can also find fresh water in swamps if you're willing to search around.

>>16544120

You can also go to trail heads (where trails start) and use the water pump there.

>>16548465

Huh that sounds like a bug, did you put down a target spot. You might be too close or far away try changing the distance you are from the target.

>>16544021

In addition to everything that's been said before, there is a huge difficulty spike around level 5, in the shape of a breed of diggle with inflated stats indistinguishable from a regular diggle besides the name, specifically designed to exploit your boredom to fuck you over, and then another one at 6 where the jump in monster stats from the level before os much greater.

You must trudge through a boring early game for a good hour and a half before trying the harder stuff, then dying from both lack of experience with that content and lowered alertness from the early game. It's a circle of shit.

>>16349252

>>16355788

>begging so much

bad shilling

>>16354889

3.4.3 if you also want to avoid the new dumbifying and unconsistent changes the devteam is doing. Devteam that seems to have changed a lot in 12 years, as the following quote exemplifies:

"NetHack 3.6.0 is described by the DevTeam as consisting of "(((a series of foundational changes in the team, underlying infrastructure and changes to the approach to game development)))".

>>16459516

How do you get good? I can only ever get to the far east on normal permadeath with a temporal warden which feels way stronger than a bunch of the other classes.

>>16546152

I installed that a couple of days ago too.

I feel like each floor even on no time to grind are way way way too big.

The class descriptions give you no information and you have to go to the wiki which doesn't even have all the info on it. It wasn't fun.

>>16502698

You construct a root cellar which keeps food conveniently cool, regardless of the outside temperature.

Alternatively you find a minifridge and slap solar panels on it.

>>16564136

That's some amusingly bad luck you have there.

>>16564136

Remember to peek around corners

Dang, the Unexplored 2 trailer took me by surprise, it's a huge step up in terms of scale compared to Unexplored. inb4 >roguelites

Thanks to the anons in this thread I managed for the first time to survive for a few days and build something of an homebase in CDDA. Never was a big fan of the zombie themes but this game is great. Are there any must-haves in the ways of mods? I'm surprised it's not more popular to be honest.

>>16591528

Cataclysm isn't really a zombie theme. Zombies only exist on certain sites and mostly inside cities. There are other kinds of monsters and dangerous wildlife. The fungals, triffids, inter-dimensional abominations etc.

>get to second act in elona

>hit brick wall

Fuck me what now? I know I need to open that temple but it seems like I have a lot of grinding ahead of me. Also I keep getting my ass kicked, I used a warrior up until now and its becoming harder. I wish I found a good living weapon because this shit is killing me.

>>16595505

Something I find amusing about Cataclysm is that in spite of being zombie themed and implementing all sorts of subsystems, there is no mechanic which explicitly turns survivors (player or otherwise) into zombies.

>>16595540

I've heard that some variant of Elona+ includes English translations of most of the story integrated in-game at long last, is this true? I haven't played it for a while and don't have WINE installed to check it.

>>16606804

+ has it and I think custom fixed the rest. Then there is CG which is is installed after custom that unfucks a lot of the new changes like pissing and other gay shit

Has DC:SS improved at all or is it still on a downhill spiral due to the devs catering to speedrunners? The UI looks like it's improved at least.

>>16349222

>Roguelike

Games that are like the game Rogue. ie,

> Procedurally generated dungeons

< Typically fantasy/medieval, but this isn't a rule

> Grid-based movement

> Turn-based

> Permadeath. Once a character dies, it stays dead

> Rogue"lite"

> Procedural generation and session-ending death are the only requisites

> Used to be blanketed under the Arcade genre, but some mouthbreathers decided this wasn't good enough

>>16607545

>Elona+ Custom-G

https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:29336

Interesting, definitely going to try this out after I reinstall WINE.

>>16608604

DCSS v0.23, current version:

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/0.23

>Remove RNG from procedural generation using seed number option

>Removed trap invisibility, traps are now always visible, "trap effects" can now also be imposed on the player during exploration independent from terrain traps. Monsters never trigger traps out of sight of the player.

>Removed labyrinth, replaced with gauntlet portal

>Removed card and deck items, Nemelex Xobeh now functions entirely through abilities

>Player can no longer be put to sleep when paralyzed or petrified

>Butchering corpses always leaves skeletons

>Giant monsters no longer tear through webs

DCSS v0.24, upcoming version:

http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=shortlog

>Remove blowguns and needles

>Remove paralysis, confuse, sleep, exploding, and steel weapon brands

>Remove returning and penetration brands. Javelins now always penetrate, and tomahawks always return

>Remove potions of blood, blood bottling, and blood drinking, reduce vampires to two blood states, give bloodless vampires the ability to regenerate, increase costs for vampire abilities

>Cap Shroud of Golubria power at 50

>Allow holy wrath weapons to be cursed

>Change some uniques to use they/them pronouns

Actively maintained cumulative feature restoration fork when?

>>16609902

>removed

>removed

>removed

What the fuck? Is there going to be any game left soon?

>>16609902

>Removed trap invisibility, traps are now always visible

>Removed labyrinth, replaced with gauntlet portal

>Removed card and deck items, Nemelex Xobeh now functions entirely through abilities

>Remove blowguns and needles

>Remove paralysis, confuse, sleep, exploding, and steel weapon brands

>Remove potions of blood, blood bottling, and blood drinking, reduce vampires to two blood states, give bloodless vampires the ability to regenerate, increase costs for vampire abilities

What the fuck

(((Change some uniques to use they/them pronouns)))

I'm not entirely mad about this but it really depends on how it's done

I see I haven't missed much since 0.16, which is where they really began slashing away content. Still considering rolling back to 0.14 though.

>>16609902

Why the fuck would you remove needles and blowguns? Crawl devs are a blight.

>>16564136

Better than opening the door and being insta killed by a ancient dragon

>>16609902

What's supposed to be the appeal of DCSS after they are "finished"? I feel the bloat is the point in these kitchen sink rogue-likes. If I want more tight mechanics I'd much prefer a thematically consistent game, where the limits to content don't appear arbitrary.

>>16619521

>If I want more tight mechanics I'd much prefer a thematically consistent game, where the limits to content don't appear arbitrary.

On that note, a comparison I've made before. Take DCSS >0.9's rudderless cuts, and hold it up against UnReal World, which over the course of its 1st 5 years of development, gradually transformed into the distinctive Spurdo Spärden historical survival autism sim we know and love, from a generic fantasy setting of dwarves and elves dungeon delving to save the world:

http://www.unrealworld.fi/urw_devhist.html

Like, I don't think any of us are against the idea of a game being radically redesigned, as long as you have some defensibly coherent idea of where you're going with it. But the DCSS devteam are just raping for the point of raping.

>>16619560

It would be wise to rename the game when doing drastic changes to it, I think. In URW's case the name is counterintuitive package, though at least the acronym sounds like something an Iron Age Finn might bellow after throwing water on his cabin's stove.

There isn't necessarily anything wrong in cutting plenty of content, as the old version will still exist (DCSS devs will eventually release a selective virus to remove every version of the game from the internet, though, before unmaking all creation to make sure DCSS remains unremade). I don't know how much content Sil has compared to whatever Angband version it started from, but it removed tons of content in order to fit its distinct concept, which I find much for fun than bare bones generic fantasy dungeon crawler.

>>16623856

Another example would be what happened to PosChengBand. The dev started removing and nerfing stuff to deal with people playing the game "wrong" in ways that didn't fit his "vision", which is about the most hilariously dumb attitude possible to take about a retarded soup variant. Eventually he couldn't deal with the complaining, sperged out and cut communication, and deleted the repo.

If he had an ounce of humility it would have been trivial to announce he wasn't going to maintain PosCheng any more and instead fork it into whatever he was trying to do. But no, he had to make something that's 95% other people's work his baby project hill to die on.

Are there any RLs that have large-sized creatures? How do they handle tile occupancy and attacks? What about RLs with "half-steps", eg smaller tiles are 32x32, but occupyable space is a 16x16 grid

Bump

I remember there used to be general threads for this one Windows roguelike game that had a whole ton of features. I just don’t remember what it was… I think the game title started with a V? Someone help me out here because I really wanted to check that game out and never ended up doing so, now I want to.

Trying out Infra Arcana as my first roguelike and it's fun. The Insanity mechanic seems overly oppressive (I have yet to clear a level without triggering it at least once in my 20+ runs so far) and my runs keep getting ended when I open a door and find multiple enemies right there far too strong for me to fight.

Veterans, what can I do in this scenario:

>open door

>4 monsters in a 4x4 room, one right next to me, each of which is vastly stronger than me

>will keep up if I move, preventing me from retreating and closing doors

>have no spells/items that can help make an opportunity to flee or fuck them up badly

>inevitably end up trying to corridor them and getting 1-2 shotted

>>16629930

Can you open the doors from a distance? Is there anything you can place on the ground (traps, etc) to impede them? What about raising your speed?

Haven't played it, but those are general things that you can do in some RLs

No, maybe but I've yet to find any form of trap, yes through perks and potions but I had access to neither. The closest thing I could think of was lighting a stick of dynamite and timing my drop so the majority of the blast catches them and hopefully spares me…but then I realized I was Ghoul class and had no starting explosives.

>>16629950

>Experience is mostly gathered by discovering new items and enemies and descending the dungeon. You don't get experience for killing enemies.

>Level-ups let you choose one of many powerful, passive traits.

>The typical hunger system is replaced by mental shock. Seeing monsters and spending time on a dungeon level will increase your shock, but it is reset when descending stairs. Letting it reach the max will push you closer to insanity and give you negative traits and phobias.

So it sounds like being stealthy is a viable strategy then, if you know what you're doing.

>>16528362

> Drag an oven next to the toilet, toss in grandma's rocking chair and light that sucker up.

um, why

>>16629961

>You dont get experience for killing enemies

well shit, sure would be nice if the in game Tome of Knowledge said that somewhere.

>Seeing monsters and spending time on a dungeon level will increase your shock, but it is reset when descending stairs.

I hate this shit. It rises far too fast to the point where I'm getting mental disorders halfway through exploring a level. The only ways I've found to lower it are from drinking from fountains (the existence of which is RNG) and getting to the end of the level.

>>16629989

So avoiding combat is what I want to do? I've been trying to clear everything I can so I don't miss any valuables.

>bashing them with [w] can knock them back a tile

Didn't know that, thanks.

>I think standing on a zombie corpse will prevent it from getting back up

I've just been bashing them to pieces so they don't resurrect.

I will never understand anyone who can bear to look at ASCII graphics or choose them willingly. Text symbols to represent things destroys any sense of immersion and looks like pure ass.

>>16629972

IA, while a very neat game with a comfy aesthetic, seems to be more about rapid progress. The few people I have talked to that have beaten the game claim that diving as fast as they can and running from conflict are the ways to go. From my experiences playing, those were always my best attempts. Even early game enemies are large threats and sanity effects can be crippling.

>>16630005

It actually increases immersion since you have to use your imagination

>>16630020

My imagination has been dead for decades.

>>16630030

It's like a muscle, better start flexing, faggot

>>16630005

>So avoiding combat is what I want to do? I've been trying to clear everything I can so I don't miss any valuables.

Sort of, you want to avoid fighting groups of enemies and go for 1v1s if possible, but killing things does have its benefits. For example, a cultist you avoided on the other side of a level could pop up around a corner or behind a door and blast you with a shotgun, easily ruining a run. It's important to learn when and what you should be fighting. As for the loot, you should be able to get everything on each level in the early game without maxing out your shock, provided nothing crazy happens, e.g. a tomb, zombie pack, in the dark without a light.

>I've just been bashing them to pieces so they don't resurrect.

Yep, that's the idea, but if you find yourself in a fight against multiple enemies, blocking the zombie from getting up as you fight the rest of the group is invaluable.

>that last bit

For me, I find some of the ASCII sets in IA to be very simple and clear. It's easy for me to tell what's popped into my vision or that the bright yellow [0] is a brazier, or worse yet, the dreaded purple [P] that just ended my last run Fuck you Keziah Mason and your dumb bitch rat friend. The tiles are really nice thematically though.

>>16349220

If you can handle that shit, you're more than ready for C:DDA.

I've seen some people argue that you should have all information presented to you, before you make a move, so that you can basically play without mistakes. Why?

What about shit like, maybe there's a system where every tile has a heat/thermal value (eg Dorf Fort temperature simulation). How could you possibly see those values ahead of time and not have it be a spreadsheet simulator?

>>16630060

How in the world do I waltz around with a light? I've got the lamp but that thing runs out within a couple rooms, tops.

>>16630189

Only turn it on when you really need it, basically. I've been in spots where I had ~90 shock and had to cross a dark room to get to the stairs with no light. It's not the worst scenario to be in, but it runs the risk of getting a phobia. For a decent strategy, the lanterns now take 3 energy to turn on and consume 1 energy per tile, so the best way to go about it is to only turn on the light to see around you then turn it off and explore the room. Making noise with the [N] key before entering might be a good idea too.

>>16630162

That kind of seems like a slippery slope to me. What qualifies as information? For example, knowing the locations of enemies in IA would surely make the game much easier to plan, but it would remove the tactical decision of luring enemies out of dark rooms.

>>16630258

A slippery slope in which direction? You're saying the game would suffer as a result of having too much information? Surely stuff like Detect Monsters or other divination spells are useful then.

So it wouldn't be sinful to avoid revealing certain things to the player, then?

>>16630264

>A slippery slope in which direction?

I think I can rephrase what I meant a bit better: Giving the player all of the information during the game would make the game more of a logistical puzzle than a tactical one. In IA's case, it's a roguelike, and tactical play is a staple for them. Having all of the games' information available could easily invalidate a lot of mechanics and confound several others. For another example, you can sprain yourself (taking 1 damage) by doing certain actions, but you never know the odds for when it happens. Even worse, kicking pillars over with [w] can sprain you and fail at the same time, and the failure rate and damage dealt if it falls are unknown as well. If it happens that the rate of failure for kicking the pillar and taking damage both have a 50% chance, I'd never use it, and opt for other means of combat. In fact, a run with no mistakes and all information known wouldn't even use most of the games' features if >>16630017

is right, as it'd just turn the game into a puzzle of how to avoid everything for dozens of floors.

>Surely stuff like Detect Monsters or other divination spells are useful then.

Oh yes, definitely, but (using IA again) they're only temporary enhancements, and finite ones at that for classes other than Occultist.

>So it wouldn't be sinful to avoid revealing certain things to the player, then?

No, it wouldn't, just as long as the game remains fun and interesting to play, I'd say.

>>16630396

Okay, thanks for your feedback. I want to make a RL some day, but I've never gotten very far. It seems like an ideaguy's paradise

>>16630162

I think the more relevant point is having the game make sense from the player-character's perspective. So you should be able to tell how warm something is by touching it (or, from a distance in extreme cases, feeling IR radiation, feeling hot/cold air blowing from it, seeing heat shimmer/glow, condensation, mist, hoarfrost, etc.).

Total awareness only really makes sense for something like Nethack's telepathy, where the PC is explicitly supposed to be aware of everyone's position on the entire level. In the case of your temperature example, having IR vision would fit.

>>16630396

>Giving the player all of the information during the game would make the game more of a logistical puzzle than a tactical one.

I think this is usually more the case for mechanically simpler games, especially those with largely finite resource pools. For instance Pixel Dungeon is described as a roguelike, but it really plays closer to a puzzle game due to its tight resource constraints that demand a small range of valid solutions. Not quite as much as a strict puzzle game like DRoD, but still.

>>16631054

>Thermal vision

Right, I forgot all about that, it actually was something I wanted to do. Thanks for reminding me

Is AliensRL any good? I've heard you can play co-op, but how would that work?

>>16631902

Nice Lance. Which version is that, I recall only getting it up to about +12 even in Zot.

>>16349222

Has perma-death

Levels (or whatever type of progression it has) are randomized, aka not always the same.

>>16635722

That sort of definition, one that doesn't involve the core gameplay, is completely pointless. If someone made a randomized numbers puzzle game played by waggling a gimmick controller, and that had randomized puzzles and instant gameover from failing a puzzle, how would that be "like Rogue" at all?

>>16635722

>roguelike

Berlin Interpretation, baitposters aside, remember the Berlin Interpretation is a set of guidelines, not the autistic absolute ironclad rules it's often portrayed as.

>roguelite

Anything that purposely takes one or a few features from roguelikes, but not enough to actually be a roguelike. Much as having "roleplaying elements", "tactical elements", or "stealth elements" doesn't make something an RPG, TBT, nor stealth game.

>>16636104

>puzzle game

Rougelikes are RPGs

>>16636346

>implying

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=TetRLs

>>16636409

That's literally just a tetris mod. It's not a rougelike. Just like tetris 99 isn't a battle royale.

>>16631912

The lance (spear) gets a +1 whenever you kill an high HD dragon, it's a non-random artifact.

I got lucky and managed to land enough kills in spite of always using undead minions to do everything, plus I ended up finding a lot of golden dragons, about 4-5 if I am not wrong.

>>16636346

So your former was completely pointless. Why did you bother?

>>16636509

It's Tetris, and it's a roguelike. Actually, another example (small and parodic though they may be) are the Sokoban levels in Nethack.

Been on a Dungeonmans tear lately. It's a bit on the easy side, but it's pretty fun. It's a rogue-lite, though, since it has persistent mechanics that you can build up between characters, even though the gameplay is boilerplate roguelike.

I've been trying to get back into cataclysm but after the last few major changes (1 second turns, stamina overhaul, healing takes 20~ times as long) melee is essentially unusable without significant armor, and even then it may be impossible.

To show how bad stamina is currently, I picked up a deer (bug where you can't butcher things randomly fixed by moving them) walked about 10 paces, put it down, drank a liter and a half of water, walked three more paces (to the bank of a river to try to drink some more) and passed out and died of dehydration.

How many RLs devolve into being a walking statball with a million wands to get you out of any situation? As much as I liked Elona, I felt like it was easy to cheese in regards to that, but I liked the "bigger world" and you could do a lot more than a typical crawler game.

What about like, spending a lot of time and resources to learn just one spell? Maybe you can choose a broad category like "deals fire damage" or "alters terrain", and then you might get a spell that deals 500 fire damage to everything not indoors, or a shitty spell that does 1 fire damage to a candle

>>16644865

There are also simpler approaches. For instance, the in the old shareware RPG Realmz, most spells could be cast with a power level from 1-7, multiplying their effects (number of targets, cloud size, range, duration, damage, success rate, etc.), in return for a higher spell point cost.

>>16451097

>Brogue

Just make sure to play 1.7.4 instead of 1.7.5 if you like fun or at the very least get the bugfixed 1.7.5

>>16523734

It's pretty overwhelming to start with. I played my first bunch of games as a mallcop, and just kept trying to tactically burn the mall down because I couldn't figure out how to deal with all these goddamn zombies. Tried all the other roles, thinking that the ones that start with a gun would be easy mode. It took a year to figure out that starting with a folding bike is more useful than starting with a gun.

You should try a cyborg assassin or martial arts master, since they can steamroll an entire town barehanded, which is kinda fun in itself, but also lets you experiment freely after everything is pulped.

Also, somebody explained a really good starting strategy earlier in the thread:

>>16380505

I started into Ragnarok/Valhalla again yesterday after only giving it a taste on a prior PC. Interesting how many QoL things it did without throwing everything out the window that defines a RL. I'm surprised there aren't more that seem inspired by it.

Have a 3-4 day bump